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Brushing Up On Rick Porcello

Detroit Tigers starter Rick Porcello throws a pitch against the Toronto Blue Jays during first inning baseball action in Toronto on Thursday, April 9, 2009. (AP Photo/The Canadian Press, Nathan Denette)

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7 months ago: Detroit Tigers starter Rick Porcello throws a pitch against the Toronto Blue Jays during first inning baseball action in Toronto on Thursday, April 9, 2009. (AP Photo/The Canadian Press, Nathan Denette)

fly balls = good. ground balls = bad.

I think putting Rick Porcello in the Detroit rotation is batshit insane. In my opinion, even the best prospects need a good dose of Double-A. Most of them need Triple-A. Porcello is very talented, but he is NOT Dwight Gooden or Bob Feller. The wonderful spring training he had resulted in a 2.30 ERA, which is sharp, but also a 8/5 K/BB and 17 hits in 15.2 innings, hardly a dominant ratio set. Maybe it will work, but it is not a risk I would take if I was the Tigers braintrust.

-John Sickels

That quote's a great place to start, if only to see the normally reserved Sickels swear.  Porcello is raw, in a similar situation to that of fellow 2007 draftee Aaron Poreda: more or less without an out pitch and totally reliant on a superior fastball.  Porcello at least has a legitimate change-up and a curve that flashes as more than decent.  He's younger and projects better than Poreda...but that doesn't mean he's ready.  I honestly don't know why the Tigers think he'd be any better than Nate Robertson (who's currently piggybacking Porcello's starts).  The Tigers recent history with maintaining their pitchers' health isn't that great.  Considering the money they invested, I have to imagine they planned on Dontrelle Willis manning this spot until Porcello had really matured.  Dombrowski has overestimated his training staff and pitching coaches' abilities and this seems to be yet more of the same.

Nonetheless, Porcello should be fun to watch.  If the pitch f/x is right, he really does have a big sinker that ranges from 90-94 with lots of boring action.  He threw 66 fastballs of 86 total pitches. Of the 17 balls that were put in play off it, 11 were groundballs, 2 were pop ups, 2 were line drives and 2 were fly balls.  If he's putting the fastball where he wants it, he will be able to get outs regardless of the status of his offspeed stuff.  He was able to do mostly that in the early going, but he seemed to run out of gas as the game went on.  By the fifth he started coughing up gopher balls: one on an elevated fastball and the other on a hung curve. He only threw 125 innings last year and will turn 21 after Christmas '09.  His opener will probably be a typical outing for him, his fastball control will leave him somewhat once his legs start to give. 

It looks like he's been coached very specifically to avoid walks. Taking pitches will probably be difficult in the early going, but even if it means hitting in a tough count, getting to see his fastball more will probably pay off later.  It's a good one and familiarity with it will be important.  Porcello threw it 77% of the time last start, so it will take a lot of offense to force him into throwing offspeed pitches when he doesn't want to.

All in all, it looks like solo shots and GIDPs are in order, as usual.  This will be a particularly interesting test for Josh Fields, as his struggles with the fastball have been well documented here.  He's been flashing the leather of late --which is great to see-- but if he can get around on Porcello's heat, I'll be genuinely impressed.  Alexei will get a chance to get off the ground as well, as he's guaranteed to get exactly what he wants.  Thome's downfall is breaking stuff.  Same with Carlos and JD.  This is a fastball hitting team and there's not much Porcello can do to fool Sox batters.  Strength versus strength, he might say:

Rick Porcello: I'm kind of—at least I try to be—aggressive. I go after hitters and try not to back down from anybody. I'm the type of pitcher who pitches a lot off his fastball. I'm the type of guy where there really aren't going to be a lot of surprises. It's more of a, 'Here it is, try and hit it' sort of mentality that I have when I go out there. I'm going after guys. They know what I'm going to throw, so it's my best against their best, and that's the way I like it.

-Interview by David Laurila (behind BP pay wall)

More pfx stuff on Porcello here.  The dude used the default pitch recognition labelling, which sucks, but other than that it's useful stuff.  If he's actually got two fastballs, it doesn't show in the raw data that I yanked from brooks (linked above).

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Nice work, Colin.

He sounds like the kind of young pitcher that always seems to drive Sox hitters nuts the first time they face him. And I never understand that.

by palehose67 on Apr 14, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the exact opposite

no. a mime is when you don't talk, not when no one talks to you.
by MarketMaker on Apr 6, 2009 2:58 PM CDT

by jc2313 on Apr 14, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too..

It’s not like he’s a soft tossing left w/ a mediocre curve ball?

by Grinder in Training on Apr 14, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

me three

I’d imagine they could mop the floor with the guy

"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"

by 815Sox on Apr 14, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You (three) make...

a good point. I guess I’m too hung-up on the fact that they never seem to do well against any new pitcher rather than the fact that they don’t hit well against specific kinds of new pitchers.

by palehose67 on Apr 14, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Happy Birthday, Nessie!

Settle down with the designer stats. This isn’t fucking algebra, it’s baseball..

by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow.

donner party takes off
lincoln assassinated
titanic sinks
fdr burried
pete rose born
laika crashes to earth
adam russell born

neat.

macdougal happens.

by thecip on Apr 14, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice preview

I too think its just plain nuts what the Tigers are doing with Porcello. Someone suggested last week what’s the worst that can happen to him, implying no real damage could come of it. I disagree. Even the chance of mentally setting him back is not worth it.

I spent yesterday at a hospital with no access and read the papers and game recaps but still don’t have a good feel with what happened with Floyd. Was he just THAT wild? Did the weather affect him? Was it pitch specific issues? Any more insight would be appreciated.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Apr 14, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would imagine

Detroit knows a whole lot more about his mental makeup than anyone else. From everything I have read, I don’t think that is a real issue. More like not being able to develop his secondary offerings and maybe never becoming as good as he could have been as well as what might be a heightened injury concern.

no. a mime is when you don't talk, not when no one talks to you.
by MarketMaker on Apr 6, 2009 2:58 PM CDT

by jc2313 on Apr 14, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would think they would have a better understanding

of a player that has been in the organization for over a year versus a player from outside the org., obviously a big mistake made there.

no. a mime is when you don't talk, not when no one talks to you.
by MarketMaker on Apr 6, 2009 2:58 PM CDT

by jc2313 on Apr 14, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't say porcello has experienced much adversity in either his life or his tigers career.

maybe he’ll handle it just fine. then again, the major leagues have humbled quite a few can’t miss types.

by larry on Apr 14, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said

I just think its an unnecessary risk. Who really knows his mental makeup if he gets pounded? We do know what he is trying to do doesn’t really ever happen and others with just as much talent have been a bit retarded by it. What’s the rush? And its not like he’s done anything so great down in the minors to warrant it. Big deal he had a good spring.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Apr 14, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Porcello ain't even 21 yet? I'm gettin' fuggin' old...

I think Porcello is the first player in MLB who is younger than me.

by CWSKeith on Apr 14, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i was just gonna list him

8/26/88

these two are my first two as well keith

" Cheat I would like to become a managing editor. Email me what I need to do."-by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT

" You've got step one down. Sucking a lot of dick."- by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM PDT

by U-God on Apr 14, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My moment for that was

when I realized both Toews and Kane are younger than me and millionaires.

Lurking since 2006

by boyonthedock on Apr 14, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the usual one day more than necessary from ozzie.
DETROIT – White Sox rookie second baseman Chris Getz was held out of Tuesday’s lineup as a precautionary measure.

Getz said the pain in his right elbow had subsided and he felt better after several rounds of batting practice.

Manager Ozzie Guillen said Getz will return to the Sox’s lineup Wednesday against Detroit.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/04/getz-should-return-to-white-soxs-lineup-by-wednesday.html

by larry on Apr 14, 2009 10:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ahh, missed the injury over the weekend

travelling and the Masters took precedent. Explains much to me.

no. a mime is when you don't talk, not when no one talks to you.
by MarketMaker on Apr 6, 2009 2:58 PM CDT

by jc2313 on Apr 14, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well good to see Ozzie hasn't given up his "you miss a day you miss another"

approach to minor injuries. I actually think it’s a good thing over the course of the season, whether you have an older guy or a younger guy (Getz, not used to a 162 game season for example) I think it’s a good thing.

by madvillian on Apr 14, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in case you missed swisher pitching, video below

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/4/14/834838/nick-swisher-pitches

i imagine the yes network will be all over removing this from youtube quickly so view now.

by larry on Apr 14, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If a regular does this

He sure went about it the right way. Nice and easy.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Apr 14, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda surprised this isn't more common.

When down big late in the game, might as well, no reason to waste pitchers in a game you can’t win.

by Grinder in Training on Apr 14, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Injury.

Like Fat Toby playing 1B in ST. Why risk it?

I'll say it SSH be quiet
by The Cheat on Apr 9, 2009 4:16 PM EDT

by winningugly on Apr 14, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Settle down with the designer stats. This isn’t fucking algebra, it’s baseball..

by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also....

Mark Fidrych died!? I hadn’t heard that either.

Settle down with the designer stats. This isn’t fucking algebra, it’s baseball..

by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great...

He already looks like a better hitter than anyone we got back in that trade. Now he’s a better pitcher too!

by CatBrains on Apr 14, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hopefully he doesn't go daniel cabrera on us today like i remember a few years back

when he threw against us and garland on a rainy day

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Apr 14, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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