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White Sox Early Season Offensive Struggles and Taxes

It was a sign of things to come when Josh Fields hit a triple in the first inning, only to watch Carlos Quentin strike out meekly and have Jim Thome follow suit on just 3 pitches.

Or when Brian Anderson led off the 3rd with a 5-pitch walk -- Seriously Detroit, how do walk Anderson in three straight plate appearances? On a total of 13 pitches? -- only to get thrown out by about 5 feet.

Or when Paul Konerko and AJ Pierzynski led off the 5th with back-to-back singles, with Konerko unable to advance to third on a ball roped at his feet into right field, only to have Alexei Ramirez bunting ahead of Anderson and Brent Lillibridge. Ramirez failed to get the bunt down, but the result of his at-bat was just the same, putting runners on second and third for two replacement-level talents at the plate. Needless to say Anderson and Lillibridge didn't come up with the big hit.

The White Sox were never in the game again.

Jose Contreras was locked in a pitcher's duel with Armando Galarraga in the 5th inning, but worked himself into a jam he couldn't get himself out of -- as tends to happen when you walk Josh Anderson and Ramon Santiago. Seriously, why can't the Sox get that guy out this year? Over the next 4 innings, Contreras and the back end of the Sox pen took to making the game such a laugher that I'll probably have this entry posted before the end of the game. And there might be a Jerry Owens sighting.

Where's Jose's Forkball?

At the tail end of Contreras' outing, Hawk and Steve Stone were talking about how encouraging his first two trips to the mound have been. Stone made a comment something like "his forkball is there," which was the exact opposite of what I think I've observed in the early going.

So I headed over to brooks baseball, which uses MLB's woefully inaccurate pitch recognition algorithm, mis-labelling just about everything Count throws. But Contreras' forkball is easy enough to spot simply based on velocity. He doesn't throw a curveball, and his rarely thrown changeup averages about 80 MPH, so anything between 68 and 77 MPH is definitely a forkball.

Going through his first two starts, Contreras has thrown 13 forkballs in two games, spanning 182 pitches. That works out to about 7% of his pitches thrown. According to Fangraphs, which uses a much more accurate pitch recognition model, he has thrown forkballs for about 22% of his pitches on his career, and almost 25% last season.

Now to be fair, for about 75 pitches Contreras did have better control of his fastball today, and genuinely looked like he was getting closer to being back at 100%. But I don't think Count is long for the big leagues as a fastball/slider/changeup pitcher. He needs to get back to being a fastball/forkball/slider guy.

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You can blame Jackie Robinson for the loss

Sox had a 3-game win streak in the alternate black, but they couldn’t wear those today as I’m sure the road gray jerseys were made up well ahead of time… You gotta ride the hot jersey.

by The Cheat on Apr 15, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it better be the jerseys and not the Milk Carton Girl's absence.

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Apr 15, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't encourage her.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Apr 15, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

like you and Dasox?

the son you never had…
Hahahahahahahaha.

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Apr 15, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Apr 15, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have a good night, I'm outta here.

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Apr 15, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You, too. Same here.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Apr 15, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's your cue, guys.

time to bring out the racist jokes and pictures of naked women!

by larry on Apr 15, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm waiting patiently...

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 15, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cheat is fast! the other editors are half-fast...

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Apr 15, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

nyuk

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Apr 15, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

holy crow

this is off topic but through 5 innings wakefield has given up no hits against oakland, but the amazing thing is he’s only thrown 39 pitches!

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 15, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

still has a no-no through 7.

67 pitches.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 15, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Newtonian Physics

1st Road Trip + Rain Out + Windsor = 9-0

I’m sure they were passing the aspirin bottle around the locker room before the game.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Apr 15, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I blame Fidrych

Angels in the Outfield sort of thing. He was messing with the mound when Count was out there.

I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator

by Nordhagen on Apr 15, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh God
The San Francisco Giants are looking to unload the $44 million they still owe Aaron Rowand through 2012. The one problem? The Giants would have to be willing to pick up a big chunk of the deal to even get Williams on the phone.
Another option coming from the demented mind of yours’ truly? How about pitching starved Washington getting Lance Broadway from the Sox for … drum roll please … Willie Harris? At least once Harris gets off the DL with a strained oblique.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2009/04/rumor_to_ponder.html

Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?

by UribeAuction on Apr 15, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

sounds good

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 15, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On one hand

it shows a remarkable lack of creativity that Sox fans and beat writers alike always come back to those who’ve already been let go by the Sox

On the other, it’s remarkable just how many CF options the Sox have let go in the last 4+ years that are arguably better than our current in-house options. Rowand, Sweeney, Young, Swisher, Pods, Harris….

by The Cheat on Apr 15, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pods.

drinking the funny lemonade at the panera again?

by larry on Apr 15, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sox :: CFers : Rangers :: Pitchers?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 15, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Griffey!

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Apr 16, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i used to throw a split finger...

its a hard pitch to get a feel for if you don’t throw it for a long time.. not that it is the case with contreras- but it is possible he feels he can’t control it the way he wants to.

He pitched a decent game today again- no run support- bad defense- bad bullpen. he hasn’t been outstanding in his two outings but he has been ok.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Apr 16, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he has been good enough to be a 5th starter on this team

if the sox are relying on him to be pitch 150 innings with an ERA of 4.00 they are in for some trouble.

shit. might be.

This, is essence is the Vasquez trade coming home to roost. Instead of MB/BrassB/Danks/Javy/Count/Colon everone has been pushed up.

I am starting to think this might be a bigger lose than some realized, including myself. Javier ain’t great, but he fits the KW mo of 200 innings of 105 era+ ball. Colon and Count don’t fit that.

by madvillian on Apr 16, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets be honest here kenny

you never featured a forkball.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/819786/cactus-league-finale-white-sox-vs#13641879

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 16, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I threw a splitter...same thing basically.

it took a long time to get comfortable throwing it again after I took a couple years off. Like I said, i dont know if this is the case with contreras, but maybe he thinks he is going to hang it and is shying away from it.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Apr 16, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was leaving his splitter up all spring

I’ve noticed that he’s throwing what looks like a cutter pretty regularly over the first two starts. If he can get the split finger back and keep the cutter in his repertoire he could be pretty dangerous again. Health permitting.

by TheBill on Apr 16, 2009 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a fork ball not breaking in the desert?

unheard of…

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/819786/cactus-league-finale-white-sox-vs#13641879

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 16, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sox got shout out for the 24th time since 4/14/07, and 2nd time in 8 games this season.

They were shut out 21 times in Guillen’s first 3 seasons as manager

by The Cheat on Apr 15, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Manto on some of the Sox' hitting prospects:
On 3B Jon Gilmore: “Gilmore, he’s a typical young kid. He has a ton of upside. Right now, he just needs his reps, man. He’s 20 years old and he’s facing guys with college experience and once he gets it and once he begins to learn the strike zone and learn himself, his ceiling is very, very high. The way he runs, the way he moves at third base, we’re definitely happy with what we got there. When he gets it, it’s going to be exciting. With the wind blowing in, he hit a few home runs and several balls off the wall today during batting practice and he’s as strong as that indicates. His raw power is definitely exceptional and once he gets it and once he figures it out and once he gets all the information we’re giving him and gets it all lined up, he’s going to be a real good player.”

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=3360

A lot of other notes on Beckham/Viciedo/Flowers/Allen/Danks in there, but I thought the Gilmore note was the most interesting.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?

by UribeAuction on Apr 15, 2009 5:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why not give credit to Armando Galarraga?

Why not give him credit for a good pitching performance? Perhaps the bats struggled because they were facing a good pitcher.

by grandslam84 on Apr 15, 2009 5:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

More perspective

They’ve been blanked for 6+ innings by 3 pitchers in their first 8 games.

That happened a total of 12 times last year (when the Sox offense was similarly hit-and-miss) 16 in ’07 (when the Sox were trotting out Andy Gonzalez and JO) 8 in ’06 when they had a good offense, and 10 in ’05 when they were routinely praised for their ability to create runs and avoid getting shutdown by a pitcher

by The Cheat on Apr 15, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

seems like a few missed that one, I thought it was great and tought me a few things about Galarraga

although a lot of times what pitcher really is and how he pitches against us are not equal

by LT_sox_fan on Apr 15, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DETROIT – The White Sox have been given three options for the make-up game with Detroit, and didn’t like two of them.

Team captain Paul Konerko was e-mailed possible dates from the Tuesday rainout, with the first being an April 30 off day, the second being a June 22 off day, and the final scenario being a doubleheader played on July 24.

If the club has any say, it will be a doubleheader on that Friday.

http://www.670-thescore.com/blog/2009/04/15/make-up-game/

by larry on Apr 15, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

DETROIT – Great job by the entire "Mully and Hanley Show’’ this morning in tracking down Scott Podsednik – the new king of Charlotte now that Joe Borchard has moved on.

In listening to the interview, there were some key points that stood out, specifically Podsednik discussing what he and general manager Ken Williams said about the situation of signing him to a minor-league deal on Tuesday.

"[General manager] Kenny [Williams] and I had a couple of good conversations, he didn’t promise me anything,’’ Podsednik said. "He just said, ‘Let’s go to Charlotte, get me some at-bats and see where you are, and kind of just go from there.’

"That’s all I can do, go out there and play, have some fun and try and create an opportunity for myself. I kind of feel like a rookie again, like I was five or six years ago, trying to open some eyes and create an opportunity.’’

The other point Podsednik kept reiterating was how healthy he now is. His health issues were the reason that manager Ozzie Guillen called him "unreliable.’’ He obviously went on the offensive, doing all he can do to ease the club’s mind on that front.

The fact is if Podsednik shows any sort of spark with the Knights, especially as their leadoff hitter, he will put himself into a situation to get the call. Brian Anderson is the No. 1 option, and will be given time to either sink or swim, but even if Guillen isn’t saying it, the leash is a short one for B.A.

http://www.670-thescore.com/blog/2009/04/15/the-on-going-center-field-drama-and-macdougal/

by larry on Apr 15, 2009 7:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Walks=Runs for Detroit

I thought the Sox were going to keep it close untll Field’s error, but with our anemic offense the error turned out to be irrelevant.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell

by phastphil on Apr 15, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, the feast or famine offense

White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.

by vince_ on Apr 15, 2009 7:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is truly The End of Days:

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/news/story?id=4067950&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fmlb%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d4067950

Punto is powerless? NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Apr 15, 2009 8:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i am apparently unable to read some portion of that article

tough early schedule? 8 of their first 11 games are at home against the mariners and blue jays. (although after that they’ve got plenty of red sox, angels and rays). my feeling about this can be summed up thusly:

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 15, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josh Fields finds a home in second spot: Chicago White Sox like his patience at plate
In the midst of the White Sox’s search for a productive leadoff hitter, they have discovered an effective No. 2 hitter.

That’s Josh Fields, who has thrived in the second spot since Chris Getz was elevated to bat leadoff after Dewayne Wise struggled at the top of the batting order.

“The biggest thing I can rest my hat on was that I was there in 2007 for nearly the entire time I was up,” said Fields, who hit 14 of his 23 home runs that season from the second spot. “I’ve been there before and had success there. Just keep playing and do what I can do to help the team win.”

Manager Ozzie Guillen has been extremely pleased at Fields’ pitch selection, as evidenced by his five walks, .308 batting average and .438 on-base percentage.

“He’s the type of guy who’s not going to chase bad pitches. That’s why it’s ideal for him there,” Guillen said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-16-white-sox-bits-chicago-apr16,0,6515871.story

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 15, 2009 8:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BA wants to acquire grinder points
Although Brian Anderson was thrown out stealing by Gerald Laird in the third inning of Wednesday’s 9-0 loss, he intends to be more aggressive on the basepaths when he has the chance. “Ozzie wants me to utilize my speed,” Anderson said. “In the past, I just didn’t have a lot of confidence. Now, it’s not that I don’t care, I just have to trust it. I have to use it or lose it.”

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090415&content_id=4286646&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 15, 2009 8:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

IIRC, Anderson was thrown out on a hit-and-run

I could be wrong because I was kinda only half-watching at that point, but Lillibridge swung and missed on the play. Shouldn’t it be obvious to Ozzie that hitting and running with a guy who makes such little contact as Lillibridge is about as productive as duck duck goose with Ralph Wiggum?

Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?

by UribeAuction on Apr 15, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i heard that in minnesota

they call it duck duck grey duck. freaks.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 15, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a terrible jump

Lillibridge swung and looked like he was trying to put it in play to the right side (though who knows with his contact skills)

I didn’t see Anderson look back to see contact, but if that was his jump, ugh…. expect more CS this year

by The Cheat on Apr 15, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dave Cameron: Swisher Taking Over
Swisher has been on fire to start the season, leading the majors with a ridiculous .682 wOBA. 9 of his 11 hits have gone for extra bases, as he’s quickly registering 2008 as an aberration rather than some kind of downward trend. With the way he’s swinging the bat, there’s no way the Yankees can keep him out of the line-up.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/swisher-taking-over

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 15, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we shall see

not looking too good right now though.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/819786/cactus-league-finale-white-sox-vs#13641879

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 16, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my attitude is this: you win some you lose some

Q and Danks are on the winning side. Can’t think of anyone else on top of my head right now.

And Swish can be a lesson to KW: don’t make it so obvious that you want to get rid of the player. Get Ozzie live from Caracas yelling “Swish is unbelievable, I think I underused him last year, he is my horse in 09” and we might have gotten something better in return.

by LT_sox_fan on Apr 16, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you do win some and lose some.

however, one probably shouldn’t make a trade that is so blatantly bad from its very conception.

by larry on Apr 16, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My head is beginning to hurt...

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Apr 16, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was denfinitely a knee-jerk reaction to whatever went wrong.

Hell, Swisher is now a more successful major league pitcher than Marquez. I wonder if the Yankees pulled that little trick to rub it in the face of the white sox.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/819786/cactus-league-finale-white-sox-vs#13641879

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 16, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure they clearly knew Swisher would do well in his relief role.

Guaranteed.

WTF, SoB? Are you serious?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Apr 16, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course they didn't know.

Where did I say they knew he would do well?

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/819786/cactus-league-finale-white-sox-vs#13641879

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 17, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

d rose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVZh4EqUcAk

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 15, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

what a shitty day.

Has any team chocked away more than the Bulls the past 3 years? Once again all they need is a win against an inferior openent at home to move up in teh playoffs. And just like 2007 they chocke it away.

I am sick as dog, took the afternoon off (left the office at 2) and way hoping to fall asleep to the white sox winning. Instead I just took a nap.

I’m seriously pissed about this bulls choke. the only upside is they will avoid the dreaded NBA TV series now.

by madvillian on Apr 15, 2009 10:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is this a joke?

I don’t follow the NBA too closely, but didn’t they want the #7 seed? Boston is a better matchup than Orlando, right?

by The Cheat on Apr 15, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya, stick to the Sox Cheat.

Most of RealGM was ready to throw a parade after the Bulls took out Orlando. Orlando is insanely easier than beating the defending champs with a rested team.

That said, they had 0 chance of beating either. But now they just have to avoid the sweep. They had a decent shot to push the magic to 6 or 7.

by madvillian on Apr 15, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does KG’s health matter or would the Celtics just kill the Bulls either way? I’m not a big NBA guy.

by Grinder in Training on Apr 16, 2009 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes and no.

KG is playing on one leg, he needs knee surgery. They claim he will be back for the first round but we’ll see… after the “big 3” there is not much else. I personally would rather play the Celtics than the Magic… Remember what we did to an old heat team that was coming off of a championship season?

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/819786/cactus-league-finale-white-sox-vs#13641879

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 16, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it's a huge deal

The Celtics are the 2nd best defense because of KG, the way he plays influences the rest of the guys to bust their asses. Without him, they are average on defense, the Bulls could put a lot of points up. Unfortunately, they suck at defense.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 16, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rose v. Rondo

will at least be entertaining

4.2.09 - anno Cutler

by Illini0509 on Apr 16, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no they didn't

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/819786/cactus-league-finale-white-sox-vs#13641879

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 16, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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