Statistical Prospect Evaluation Primer: Part 2: Hitters
by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 8:25 PM CDT
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Part 2 of series. You can read part 1 here.
Hitters
The first thing I look at when evaluating a hitter is obviously his triple slash line (AVG/OBP/SLG), but I don't spend too much time dwelling on them. I apply the afformentioned context to the numbers and move on. There are better indicators of future major league success than a sky-high OPS, which can mask other underlying problems.
Strike Zone Control
There is nothing that can derail a prospect's ascent to the major leagues faster than poor strike zone control. Oakland has famously enforced a 10% walk rate rule for prospect advancement. A prospect must walk in approximately 10% of his plate appearances before they'll advance him a level. I don't think you should stick to such a hard-and-fast rule when evaluating a prospect -- there are always exceptions to the rule. Can you imagine leaving Alexei Ramirez or Vlad Guerrero behind because they didn't walk enough? -- but I do have a few marks I look for.
For the hitter portion of this project, I'm going to focus on Josh Fields.
Contact rate -- Fields has struck out in almost 27% of his AAA plate appearances, and not surprisingly over 31% of his major league PAs. His strikeout rate is simply too high to maintain a high average at the major league level, as we've witnessed first-hand with his inability to hit the average major league fastball. I'd argue that anything over 15% is entering the danger zone.
Walk rate -- Luckily, Fields has shown a a steady progression in his ability to draw walks (until his lost season last year). He went from drawing a walk in under 10% of his PAs in AA in '05 to over 15% in his brief repeat of AAA in '07. You can't walk your way to the majors though, and you need to weigh both K and BB rates when evaluating a prospect.
K/BB ratio -- Number 3 behind age and triple slash line on the list of first things I look at when scanning a hitting prospect's stats is K/BB ratio. It's arguably the most important measure of a prospect's development and future major league viability.
While a high K-rate or low BB-rate are troubling signs, they're not necessarily a kiss of death for a prospect. There should be a sliding scale for the K-rate or BB-rate you find acceptable in a prospect based on his other attributes. You expect power guys to strike out more, but you also want them to offset that low average potential with an increase in walk-rate. K/BB ratio helps put that in perspective.
Fields displayed troubling K/BB marks (over 4:1) in his first season of pro ball, but improved each year in the system. He posted a 2.6:1 mark in his first taste of AA, and 2.5:1 mark in his first full-season of AAA. He got his K/BB ratio under 2:1 in his first 200 at-bats before his call-up in '07, which, not coincidentaly, is exactly the point when I finally started to become a believer in Fields.
The 2:1 ratio as about as high as I'd accept from a top prospect, someone who you'd expect league-averagish production from in an eventual full-time role. Elite prospects, future stars, "can't-miss" guys should have a K/BB ratio closer to 1:1. Now, Chris Getz has a K:BB ratio near 1:1, but that doesn't mean he's an elite prospect. He lacks the power to put him in that category. In fact, I expect prospects who lack power to be around the magic 1:1 ratio. They can't survive at the major league level if they don't put the ball in play at a high rate, and are able to fight off pitches to extend at-bats and coax more than a few walks.
Power Potential
ISO -- ISO or isolated power is simply slugging percentage minus batting average. I like to look at ISO instead of SLG because it distills a prospect's power potential to a single number, uninfluenced by batting average. The minor league leaders last year (some guy named Chris Carter) had a mark over .300, but you'll rarely find someone posting such a high mark in the major leagues.
Doubles and Extra-base hits -- Power is often the last tool to fully develop, and doubles can be a leading indicator of future homerun power. Carlos Quentin, for instance, hit 55 homeruns in the minors, but nearly doubled that amount with 103 doubles almost exclusively in hitter-friendly parks. His 40 homer breakout last year was surprising, but not entirely unexpected given his minor league track record.
In lieu of doubles, I often like to look at extra-base hits and extra-base hit percentage, the number of extra-base hits divided by total hits. Brandon Allen had an XBH% of 42% in '07 and an amazing 51% last year. He has power potential that can match up with the game's elite prospects. An XBH% of 30% is good, but I like to use XBH% more as a tool to tell me what type of power a player has, and to gauge year-to-year progression, rather than as a measure of future major league viability.
As for Fields, he posted a XBH% of 35.8% in his first full season (AA), and upped it to 39% in his '06 minor league breakout which featured 36 non-HR XBH versus 19 homers, a sign of a more HR power in the future. His XBH% peaked at 41% in the two months before his call-up in '07.
Fluke Check
BABIP -- Batting Average on Balls In Play, simply a player's batting average when they don't strike out or hit a homerun, is a good check to see if a player's triple slash line is repeatable in the majors. I'm sure most of you are familiar with BABIP, which averages very close to .300 in the major leagues. It's not as reliable in minor leagues for a number of reasons, but it still has value as a fluke check.
For instance, in Fields breakout year, his first full-season in Charlotte, he hit .305/.379/.515. Breakout year, future high average, plus-power star, right?
Wrong. Fields had a completely unsustainable .395 BABIP that season. While your line-drive hitting top prospects, the guys who hit the ball hard much more consistently than your average minor leaguer, often have BABIPs well above .300, .395 is well outside the bounds of sustainability at the major league level.
Conclusion
You can easily remember these guidelines by distilling them into two questions: Does he make enough contact? and What happens when he makes contact?
What can we expect from Fields, given his minor league stats? First, I think we have to discount last season, when Fields pouted having not made the major league team, then struggled while experiencing a myriad of leg issues, one of which required surgery this past off-season. Statistically, for evaluation purposes, we should probably think of Fields as the player who got called up in June of '07 to replace an injured Joe Crede.
I wish Fields had a complete second season at AAA, then we could be sure that he really had made progress in his walk rate. Nevertheless, Fields figures to be a low-average slugger, who strikes out a ton, but hopefully will be able to post an average OBP thanks to a good batting eye. He's shown an ability to adjust and improve at every level, and he may be in the process of taking that next step at the major league level, shortening up his swing just enough -- it's still big -- to make more contact and raise that average.
Resources
FirstInning.com -- Has BB%, K%, ISO and BABIP
Baseball-Reference -- full minor league stats
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Didn’t mean to publish… 1250 words is a good place to stop, I suppose
Now I have to start over on the pitchers though
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by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
too late. i read it.
"If they had this s--- when i was playing, I would have been the best f------ shortstop who ever lived." - Oswaldo Guillen
by larry on Apr 2, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This premature ejaculation of the verbage is getting to be a trend here, Boss.
Relax and think about something other than…baseball. The Bears got Cutler AND Pace.
(Now you can start typing slowly and condfidently. And we all respect you. It happens to us all.)
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by winningugly on Apr 2, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It happens a lot to Cowley
Cheat is much more informative and I actually learn a few things along the read. With Cowley, after the read I feel my IQ has dropped a couple of points and I can’t afford any more of that or I’ll be drooling on myself.
Nice Job Cheat!
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by BobbySouthSide on Apr 3, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good job cheat!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Apr 2, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good read....
I haven’t been able to sign on as much….. working like a dog but, it’s great to see quality content still brewing up fresh every day around here…
ah my white sox cup of coffee….
thanks cheat
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They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by ElDiablo on Apr 2, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN Will Never, Ever Do This Again
In 1998 ESPN wasn’t the behemoth it is today, but this was still a prime-time event with a roomful of America’s most image-conscious athletes, all uncomfortably sitting there through Norm’s 9 minute routine. (Honestly, Ken Griffey, Jr. has this “Is anyone going to yank this motherfucker off the stage?-look” both times they pan over to him. ) Plus, look at this monologue and compare it to Justin Timberlake’s this year. Remember, the one they had to re-edit because Timberlake accidentally said “shucking and jiving?” Given the increased sensitivity over at the WWL, I don’t think Norm would have any shot at getting away with the “You should go back to Japan you dirty foreigner” bit. And, of course the last joke features an unassuming Charles Woodson, smiling into the camera, completely unaware that he’s being set up for that epically ruthless Heisman/O.J line. Not a chance.
http://deadspin.com/5196193/espn-will-never-ever-do-this-again
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by The Wizard on Apr 2, 2009 9:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We're going to run away with the division.
Our best Cactus League record since 2005.
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by ballyb on Apr 2, 2009 9:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
R.A. Dickey!
The Minnesota Twins switched gears, taking the Opening Day start away from Scott Baker and giving it to left-hander Francisco Liriano. Shoulder stiffness landed Baker on the disabled list. The Twins also officially put catcher Joe Mauer on the disabled list. And within this same story, we learn R.A. Dickey will get the start next Friday, when the Twins open a three-game series in Chicago against the White Sox.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2009/04/al_central_watch_—_april_2.html
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by The Wizard on Apr 2, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Knuckle!
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Apr 2, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
will be knocked out of the park!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Apr 2, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya ya!
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Apr 2, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fear the knuckle!
my president is white.
by JoeCoolMan24 on Apr 2, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Apr 2, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are you putting something like this on these posts?
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
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by hoodlight on Apr 3, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA!
you called the balls, bollocks.
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by BobbySouthSide on Apr 3, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
in the immortal words of roy keane, he can “stick it up his bollocks”!?!?!
brian anderson would've caught that...
by BuehrleMan on Apr 3, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does that work?
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
many have wondered the same thing
hence the !?!?. he sure was angry though. see here for quote.
known as the saipan incident
he always had a carmine derriere, but mccarthy was a douchenozzle.
brian anderson would've caught that...
by BuehrleMan on Apr 3, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if Jordan Had Succeeded at Baseball?
http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?what-if-jordan-had-succeeded-at-baseball
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Apr 2, 2009 9:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AL Central Preview
http://baseballmusings.com/?p=31282
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Apr 2, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
interesting read
I think if you add in bullpen WAR the team is right there. I think SSS understands but the avg Sox fan totally underestimates what it means if Mauer misses significant time.
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by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Apr 3, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's not go sucking each other's dicks just yet
it’s doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to realize, “our opponent’s most significant threat being out would be good for us. and the longer, the better.”
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Apr 3, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty sure your average sox fan isn't going to be able to tell you that mauer is worth about 7 wins over his replacement.
"If they had this s--- when i was playing, I would have been the best f------ shortstop who ever lived." - Oswaldo Guillen
by larry on Apr 3, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TSK, you just got served.
Pwned.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
is this post from wu or furby?
did he give you interweb vocab lessons for his 5/22 ticket or what?
opos!
Guffey said he told the driver, "I'm just asking you to slow down. I don't want trouble, but there are kids out."
The man hit Guffey in the face, then "took him to the ground, where he struck him some more with his hands, then bit off his ear," city patrolman M. Chase Hightower reported.
"Guffey stated the man then got up and spit his ear out at him," Hightower wrote.
by e-gus on Apr 3, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next, he'll be posting a picture to go along with it. We won't even recognize our sweet WU anymore.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh, not really
it’s not that hard to grasp “a team that loses it’s biggest offensive threat without an equal backup will probably lose a lot more games than it would if he were playing”. we aren’t talking about replacing a bit player or something to that effect, we’re talking about mauer. even the most non-stat-tastic fan can grasp that. everybody knows who capn. sideburns is and what he does. it’s not hard to realize it deals a big blow to them, which is a net boon to us.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Apr 3, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, really.
ask your average white sox fan and they’ll tell you the twins’ biggest offensive threat is justin morneau.
and if you’re going to tell me that the average fan realizes that mauer is that valuable, why do i not hear excessive whining from them about how mauer gets screwed every year when morneau gets more votes than him for MVP.
"If they had this s--- when i was playing, I would have been the best f------ shortstop who ever lived." - Oswaldo Guillen
by larry on Apr 3, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh come on.
fine, mea culpa. replace “biggest” with “one of their two biggest” (though i still dispute that morneau is seen as the head-and-shoulders above mauer as a threat).
and yes, i am telling you that the average sox fan realizes that mauer is a really fucking good player and if his team loses him, that his team will lose more games than it would if he were in it. they might not say “their team will lose exactly 7 games more”, but it’s not that hard to realize.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Apr 3, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the latter point is the pertinent one.
and the one that tdogg referenced.
"If they had this s--- when i was playing, I would have been the best f------ shortstop who ever lived." - Oswaldo Guillen
by larry on Apr 3, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the average fan does not understand how important it is to have that kind of bat
behind the plate.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe not behind the plate, but definitely in the lineup
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Apr 3, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for agreeing with us.
"If they had this s--- when i was playing, I would have been the best f------ shortstop who ever lived." - Oswaldo Guillen
by larry on Apr 3, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TSK, you have just been served. Again.
Quit while you are behind. Pwned.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how? my contention is that the "average fan" (whatever that means) knows that it's huge that the twins lost mauer
and that while they may not necessarily back it up with the same stats used here, they know he’s a big deal and that it’s bad they lost him.
certain issues that need more in-depth numeric reasoning i could understand using the whole “average fan” rhetoric. because of mauer’s stature, this, i believe, ain’t one of them.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Apr 3, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're arguing that the average white sox fan understands positional adjustments and defensive value.
they don’t.
"If they had this s--- when i was playing, I would have been the best f------ shortstop who ever lived." - Oswaldo Guillen
by larry on Apr 3, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, i'm arguing that it doesn't take a lot of stat-crunching to realize the twins are screwed by not having a superstar in their lineup
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Apr 3, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Apr 3, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you dont check splits, cheat?
they are harder to find, i just wanted to check Fields minor league splits and couldnt find it with google. (i dont pay for rotowire)
by e-gus on Apr 2, 2009 11:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Splits are less data, when we're looking for more
If I look at them, they’re the last thing I look at.
There’s a cleverly titled site, minorleaguesplits.com, where you can find all your (recent) splits from minor leaguers
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by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dig mls and use it more than FI at this point
the MLEs, while misleading, are very useful as long as you don’t overdo it. specifically, they normalize for everything so they make year to year comparisons for players in the minors easy to eyeball. FI does have its own park and level factors, but you have to dig for the latter. i’ve long since lost the link that showed the GB/LD/FB and BABIP and HR/fly splits at every level.
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by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
late to the party
outstanding… looking forward to the pitchers post
4.2.09 - anno Cutler
by Illini0509 on Apr 2, 2009 11:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so what did we learn?
that josh fields will hit for a low average but have some power? My 92 year old grandmother could have told you that in far less than 18,003 words.
interesting read nonetheless
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by KenWo4LiFe on Apr 2, 2009 11:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's not like Cheat was using Fields as anything more than an example.
the SSS general position on Fields has been settled for a while.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was giving good old cheat some shit....
toughen up people!
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Apr 3, 2009 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah it's just as well
i hadn’t trotted out the ol’ knee pads in a while
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your dad wishes that were true.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Apr 3, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
good job, cheat.
this should be required reading for sss’ers.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Apr 3, 2009 7:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
8====D--- O=
http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/819786/cactus-league-finale-white-sox-vs#13641879
by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 3, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
creative and hilarious.
a double-threat guy
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Apr 3, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the ultimate emoticon
http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/819786/cactus-league-finale-white-sox-vs#13641879
by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 5, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is good stuff
i’ve always used the K/BB ratio and cringed when they drafted guys like daellero, borchard, anderson, even lucy….guys who didn’t really control the strike zone even in college (compare to thomas and ventura).
by Hatchetm on Apr 3, 2009 7:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't think i'd compare any prospect to frank thomas
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by U-God on Apr 3, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not?
they were all drafted in mid 1st round.
i thought mike caruso would be good too.
by Hatchetm on Apr 3, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because with your logic
we should expect all first rounders to be hall of famers or at least hall of very gooders. not everyone pans out.
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by U-God on Apr 3, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you totally missed my point
which was: college K/BB rates are probably a damn good predictor of major league success.
by Hatchetm on Apr 3, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't miss that
i’m saying frank thomas has always been a freak when it comes to k:bb rates and comparing him to anyone else seems kind of dumb. most guys with that kind of power aren’t going to walk more than they strikeout in their careers. i get that k:bb ratio is a damn good thing to look at. cheat even said it in the post.
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by U-God on Apr 3, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
let’s ignore the most successful players when trying to evaluate things.
by Hatchetm on Apr 3, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
outliers
in your post you compared guys who at best were/are replacement level guys to a hall of famer and the best third-baseman in team history.
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by U-God on Apr 3, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His point is that almost no guy you draft is going to look worthwhile in comparison to Frank Thomas, so it’s pointless to use him as your reference point.
by Grinder in Training on Apr 3, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only thing i'm comparing is that
thomas and ventura became successful major league hitters. the others did not.
by Hatchetm on Apr 3, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ve always used the K/BB ratio and cringed when they drafted guys like daellero, borchard, anderson, even lucy….guys who didn’t really control the strike zone even in college (compare to thomas and ventura).
by Grinder in Training on Apr 3, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know if my theory is valid or not
looking at the 1st round of drafts over the past few years:
college hitters with good k/bb in college: longoria, weiters, zimmerman
college hitters with bad k/bb in college: laporta, stubbs, colvin, mayberry, tulowitzki
6 support theory
2 do not
by Hatchetm on Apr 3, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Tupelowhiskey...
I was wondering about him, and what he’s been doing since his great ‘07 debut. Didn’t realize he was Q!-like last year:
On July 5, 2008, Tulowitzki went back on the disabled list after cutting his right palm in the previous day’s 18–17 home win over the Florida Marlins. The injury occurred in the bottom of the seventh inning when Tulowitzki slammed a maple bat into the ground in frustration. The incident took place after he was taken out of the game in that same inning; however, he noted that the frustration leading up to his injury wasn’t due to being taken out, saying, “I was a little bit frustrated, not at the move. If anything, I thought it was the right move. I came in the hallway, grabbed a bat, hit it on the ground and the bat exploded in my hand and cut open my palm running up to my index finger.”[
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by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's also rather specious to be comparing top ten picks to guys picked in the second round.
there’s quite a large talent drop after about #10, more often earlier. i wouldn’t be that comfortable comparing the talent even between a #10 and a #15.
"If they had this s--- when i was playing, I would have been the best f------ shortstop who ever lived." - Oswaldo Guillen
by larry on Apr 3, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
had i the time and inclination
i’d throw every player drafted in a pot and correlate bb/k to minor and major league offensive performance. just for curiosity.
by Hatchetm on Apr 3, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think your theory of course has merit.
i think the reaction you received had more to do with the choice of your examples than anything.
"If they had this s--- when i was playing, I would have been the best f------ shortstop who ever lived." - Oswaldo Guillen
by larry on Apr 3, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only chosen
by coincidence they were drafted by the sox.
could run a binomial regression : 1=success, 0=failure
by Hatchetm on Apr 3, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how the hell did this get rec'd twice?
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about wOBA?
It isn’t perfect, but it’s the closest thing we have to a well-rounded stat if you can only mention one for the sake of an argument or profile…
by Daniel Berlyn on Apr 3, 2009 8:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wOBA is a nice stat, but it doesn't tell you how they were successful
and that’s what’s really critical here.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice finish to yesterday's post, though
I was hoping you’d stick with Getz instead of Fields. Yes, you’ve given the tools but I’m too lazy to apply them. And at my age that’s ok.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 8:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, on second thought Getz would have been more interesting
I guess that’s the exercise left for the reader.
Thanks Cheat! I think this series was the second article I forwarded to my other friends who don’t visit SSS. And I usually try not to forward crap, ever.
by LT_sox_fan on Apr 3, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheat, have you ever read Harrington on Hold 'em?
I am getting a very strong connection between that work and what you’ve written here. And that is a good thing, a very good thing. Both do a good job of explaining not just what the numbers mean, but what questions the numbers should have asking yourself. Kudos.
Also does anyone know a good (read: analytical) football blog that would have a decent discussion on the Cutler trade? I tried WCG but those comments aren’t much better than the sort of internet chatter I expect from espn message boards (and apparently espn analysts, as they have also clearly let personal feelings about Cutler’s trade demands taint their analysis of the move — we get it, Schlereth, you played for Denver, now try to do your fucking job with at least a shred of objectivity).
by CatBrains on Apr 3, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How about Dilfer?
I listened to him yesterday and what a pud. He loves Orton…because Orton is a clone of him. A player that has a mediocore arm, can’t scramble, and can’t make a big play. Only reason Dilfer won a SB is because he had one of the top 3 defenses of all time and a stud offensive line/RB. He doesn’t like Cutler because he doesn’t think he is a leader and the job was handed to him, Orton had to work for it.
Orton had to work for the job because he sucked out of college. Cutler was a stud early on and he is only 25….so to say someone isn’t a leader that is 25 years old is pretty stupid.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 3, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the piece I saw on espn.com had Schlereth and Dilfer
I really don’t know what I was doing on espn.com in the first place. I was drunk with a bit of excitement over the trade and looking anywhere for some cogent analysis. I tried to avoid espn, but the first thing I came across this piece by some chotchbag named Clark Judge on CBSsports.com. He used the infallible stat of W-L record to judge each QB. It’s not enough that “analysts” still cram that down my throat in baseball for pitchers? Most of what makes Orton’s W-L record impressive are his starts from 2005. I still stand by the claim I made then that the Chicago Bears 2005 defense is in the discussion for best Bears defense in the modern era. Before branding me a heretic, go back and look at the stats from regular season ‘85, they are not as impressive as people seem to remember (now post-season, that’s a completely different story). That 2005 team ended up winning games by 10 points or so, and it somehow seemed like a Bears blowout.
by CatBrains on Apr 3, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
football outsiders
football outsiders is the football equivalent of baseball prospectus (they publish pro football prospectus), but, like BP, some of the content is premium.
the main guy over there, aaron schatz, wrote an analysis of the cutler trade for espn insider arguing that this trade me be the biggest in nfl history in terms of one player’s future value. basically, elite QBs only get traded before everyone knows they’re good, or well after their primes. here’s a highlight:
Based on Football Outsiders’ advanced defense-adjusted yards above replacement stats (explained here), Cutler was one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL last season. He holds very little if any blame for Denver’s 8-8 record and late-season collapse. Cutler was the only full-time starting quarterback who didn’t have a single game below replacement level in 2008. Denver was losing games because its defense was horrible. Our DVOA ratings go back to 1994, and over the past 15 seasons, the only defense to play worse belonged to the 2008 Lions.
there’s also a chart comparing cutler’s 07-08 with two year stretches early in the careers of other QBs. his top 4 comps are joe montana (81-82), peyton manning (99-00), brett favre (93-94), and tom brady (01-02). before you lose your mind, cutler’s 2008 season is also comparable to don majkowski’s 1989, but schatz doesn’t believe cutler is a fluke.
by Ryno on Apr 3, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks... and wow
I expected legit analysis to side in favor of the Bears, but not quite this heavily. I guess you can only hear enough nonsense about someone not being a “team leader” before some it starts to leak in.
by CatBrains on Apr 3, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Football version of "clutch".
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... I still haven't gotten to much content on the actual site...
but in the comments on the trade I already saw one guy make a snarky sarcastic remark about Cutler not being “clutch” enough and I knew I had found the right place.
by CatBrains on Apr 3, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
big thanks ryno
" Cheat I would like to become a managing editor. Email me what I need to do."-by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT
" You've got step one down. Sucking a lot of dick."- by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM PDT
by U-God on Apr 3, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard on the score yesterday
Hours after the deal Buffone was as giddy as all get out.
They laid this little statistical nugget out there:
The Bears franchise record for 300 yard games is 4.
100 years, most 300 yard games, 4 stinking games.
Last year, Cutler had EIGHT.
Guffey said he told the driver, "I'm just asking you to slow down. I don't want trouble, but there are kids out."
The man hit Guffey in the face, then "took him to the ground, where he struck him some more with his hands, then bit off his ear," city patrolman M. Chase Hightower reported.
"Guffey stated the man then got up and spit his ear out at him," Hightower wrote.
by e-gus on Apr 3, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do have to wonder about the receiver corps, though
I’m not willing to buy into Earl Bennett’s sudden ascension now that Cutler’s here. Maybe Holt or Harrison decides to pull a Pace. The fact remains that there is no Brandon Marshall here.
(on the other hand, the Broncos had no Matt Forte)
by Sox-35th on Apr 3, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Broncos running game was better than the Bears overall though
by hitlesswonder on Apr 3, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offensive line and quarterback and WR’s probably had something to do with that.
by Grinder in Training on Apr 3, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Shanahan could get a Pee-Wee squad to rush for a thousand yards
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 3, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i call shanihanigans
" Cheat I would like to become a managing editor. Email me what I need to do."-by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT
" You've got step one down. Sucking a lot of dick."- by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM PDT
by U-God on Apr 3, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bronco's O-line is very good.
Receivers too. Eddie Pope and the slot receiver that come over from the Colts last year are also probably better than anyone the Bears have.
But Forte is definitely a better back than the two-games-and-an-injury corps the Broncos had to use last year.
by BridgeportJoe on Apr 3, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A second positive of this:
we won’t have to endure the puerile speculation that the Bears would be well-served by signing Michael Vick.
by Sox-35th on Apr 3, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its funny - I instantly went to football outsiders
and tried to explain it to a couple friends this morning. His comps are off the chart. I really don’t think people understand what the Bears just did.
The funniest part of Dilfer’s analysis (who I generally) like was his Freudian slip when he referenced himself instead of Orton.
People are going to look back at this trade for a long long time.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Apr 3, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, we are cluttering up this Prime Real Estate
with Bears chatter. Enough is enough. Nothing to see here, Bears fans, move along.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
excuse me for being excited for things that happen as often as Haley's Comet
Relax.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Apr 3, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Look at HSA's FanPost. Get with the program.
If I were any more relaxed I’d be asleep.)
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I will stuff a PP down your PP hole if you are directive toward me again.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calmer than you are, dude.....
Calmer than you are….
/Walter Sobchak
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, when he tears an Achilles in the season opener.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well now i'm fucking redundant
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at some point i'm sure football outsiders will cover it
they’re great if you’re into the pros
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
From a more Denver-based prospective, there are some concerns for the Bears. Cutler was great last year, but he still made some boneheaded plays. I’m curious what his comps would look like if Hochiuli hadn’t blown the call in Week 3(?) and Cutler was credited with one less TD and win and one more fumble. Also keep in mind that Cutler’s diabetes is a potential issue, especially given his tendency to not take care of himself. (The reason he always looks out-of-shape, by the way, is because he is.) And, of course, it worrying to know that if he is unhappy about anything he is going to go nuclear on the organization. If the Bears couldn’t live with Thomas Jones, what are they going to do with Cutler the first time he blows up and demands a trade?
All of that said, he’s probably the most promising young QB out there. But the Bears gave up a lot — two first round picks and a third, and Orton is probably the equivalent of another third at this point. Who “wins” the trade is going to heavily depend on whether Cutler is Brett Favre or whether he is Phil Simms. Because given the cost, unless Cutler is a HOFer (and not “just” a good professional QB for a long time), I think it’s a steep hill to climb.
by BridgeportJoe on Apr 3, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phil Simms won a Super Bowl.
And most 25 year old kids make boneheaded plays, Joe. I believe Peyton Manning wasn’t the polished product he is now after 3-4 years of NFL play. Cutler has the largest upside of any QB in a Bears uniform in my lifetime. And I’ve had a long lifetime.
Diabetes is manageable – if he takes care of himself – and he has quite the (financial) incentive to do so – he’ll be fine. Cutler is a smart (Vandy) kid who needs a bit of maturity. And, did I mention he’s 25? The team is committed to keeping him healthy with the addition of Pace, and I’m sure they’ll get a couple of receivers, too.
All that said, you have to admit, the commitiment to change the Bears have made is notthing less than stunning. I reiterate – this has NEVER happened in 50+ years. And it’s exciting.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is...
…if the Giants were ever offered two firsts, a third and a solid backup/fringe starter for Simms, my guess is they would have taken it, except maybe right at his peak. You really have to get to a HOF-level player before that deal (essentially the equivalent of an All-Star and a couple of starters, plus maybe a good backup) makes sense. Maybe Cutler’s there. He definitely has the talent. And the Bears upside point is inarguable.
But there are some concerns. The “he’ll be OK if he takes care of himself” observation is telling. You know that. I know that. Apparently Cutler doesn’t, given his party-boy reputation in this town. Maybe it is a maturity thing — though the “kid” is 25, not 18.
by BridgeportJoe on Apr 3, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I really don't even know what Simms has to with this conversation.
He is miles ahead of Simms at this point in his career.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Apr 3, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simms = generic good, successful non-HOF QB
I could have also said Ron Jaworski or Boomer Esiason.
by BridgeportJoe on Apr 3, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
based off his comps
his is ahead of generic good successful non-HOF.
I think folks have a hard time understanding “value”
A) its not a guess for an untested QB
B) he’s not well past his prime
C) Chit he’s not even in his prime!
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Apr 3, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering what an above avg qb can do in the NFL
even with little talent sometimes, its irrational to be sweating 2-1st round picks.
The 2nd first round pick should be relatively low anyway (considering the Bears should improve)
Was the statement on comps a joke? I hope so.
I’ve read he’s learned to take care of his diabetes quite well lately.
Not really sure how you get he has to be a HOF to equal the cost. Its not like 1st round picks are sure things. Ask the bears.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Apr 3, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Takes care of his diabetes?
He’s got an insulin pump, I’ll give him that. As to how else he takes care of it, ask the bartenders in LoDo. He’s not ordering diet tonics, I’ll tell you that much.
by BridgeportJoe on Apr 3, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, a borderline HOFer, then
and if he becomes an insufferable, legless boob of an announcer afterward, so be it.
by Ryno on Apr 3, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes. By contrast, our own insufferable boob of an announcer is nowhere near the HOF borderline, but is fully legged.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I love this thread.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spirits are hiy the Friday before Opening Deigh.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm out of my gourd for that reason, on top of the great swell this weekend, Seattle hitting 60+ degrees on Sunday, and I just partook in a free pot luck. Life. is. slap-happy.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky dog.
After a winter of sun and 60s, it’s snowed three times in the past ten days here in Colorado, AND we’re supposed to get 10 inches over the next 24 hours or so. Great for skiing, I guess — but I can’t take the munchkin yet.
by BridgeportJoe on Apr 3, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only way it could be better is if it had more football talk.
clearly.
brian anderson would've caught that...
by BuehrleMan on Apr 3, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
6 words: Rec'd.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
hey, DJ doesn't deserve that kind of abuse!
by Ryno on Apr 3, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah one more dis of that magnitude
and he’s right back at the bong. 2 weeks flushed away.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. We don't care if Custard (or whatever his name is) loses his legs
when his Bears career is over.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
But you aren't addressing the main point:
It’s not like the Bears can be trusted with 1st round picks anyway.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah it's more important to assess the trade in terms of the bears draft history
than the broncos. though i’m pretty sure there’s no reason you’d be more inclined to fuck up a first rounder than any other pick. i’d like to see a study of the value they’ve gotten through the whole draft during Angelo’s tenure.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More broadly speaking...
what is the success rate for first-rounders in general and how often are they worth the contracts they get?
I guess what I’m getting at is — the only way you should be fretting the loss of two first-rounders is if you think Cutler is going to fall on his face in Chicago and — judging by what I’ve read and heard — that’d be a pretty bold (unreasonable?) statement to make at this point.
by CWSKeith on Apr 3, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
'till he tears his Achilles in the 1st game...
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mid- to late first round picks are a crapshoot for most teams
the bears have been particularly inept, of course, but here are the last 10 18th overall picks. pretty hit or miss:
joe flacco, leon hall, bobby carpenter, erasmus james, will smith, calvin pace, t.j. duckett, jeff backus, chad pennington, matt stinchcomb.
that’s 3 solid but unspectacular pros, 1 one-time pro-bowler (smith, ‘06), 4 busts, and two young guys who look pretty good. i don’t think any two of them equal jay cutler.
by Ryno on Apr 3, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
50/50 is not out of bounds.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Apr 3, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One word: Cedric Benson.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
2 words:
Curtis Enis.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Four words
Cade McNown, David Terrell
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 3, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So now I'm your straight man?
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this merry band of cocksuckers, somebody's gotta be straight
Twitter: @SouthSideCheat
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by The Cheat on Apr 3, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
one of us...one of us...one of us...
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone's late to the party
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 3, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yours, too.
I don’t LOOK like Dan Rowan…
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find it interesting that some have mistaken the unprecedented part out of context
It references trading a QB of Cutler’s ilk at this stage. Not the picks. This doesn’t come close to other big trades for volume for other players- check that other older players at less critical positions.
This notion the team would be somehow crippled because they lost a 1st rounder this year and next along with an “extra” third round pick is sort of laughable. Even if Cutler was merely “good”.
And I’ve heard this nonsense from some folks, check that, goofs who traded their “entire” draft for 1 player.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Apr 3, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One word:
Da Ricky Williams.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
that's the spirit!
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously.
is there some reason that this guy gets so much love on here? repeated posts. a fanshot now, no less.
"If they had this s--- when i was playing, I would have been the best f------ shortstop who ever lived." - Oswaldo Guillen
by larry on Apr 3, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but but but…he’s fast!
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Apr 3, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An injured guy who hits .160 is hot.
Even the article linked has a picture of him grimacing as he throws. Fer Chrissakes. I thought I was out of a special Gwynn loop or something. Glad it isn’t just me thinking this is ridiculous.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus.
I didn’t say I wanted him. It was more like I wanted to post something, but couldn’t think of anything to say. You should all know by now it’s Yasser I want!
by dantesox on Apr 3, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Very good.
You anti-Semite, you.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, in all fairness...
His dad DID play Herman Munster on tv, right?
Dante was probably watching reruns or something.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Gwynn, not Gwynne, OPOS.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
limited data
sez he’s pretty good CF’er. that’s my appeal. i’d like to lure gary pettis out of retirement.
by Hatchetm on Apr 3, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As everyone knows, if a son has the same job as his father, the son always does a better job.
There are literally no instances in which this has not been true.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Too true. Which is why I had daughters. You can clearly see the result.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd for appropriate use of "clearly".
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. HSA's acne is no longer a problem.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for fixing my shitty genes, Proactive!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What in the hell is that supposed to mean?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't understand.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet the Bushes have been the exception, illiterally.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking: Guy Who Generally Thinks Sox Will Be Bad Thinks Sox Will Be Bad.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8692
Sheehan thinks we’re the 3rd worst team in baseball (below everyone other than the Padres and Pirates).
Apologies if this was linked/posted previously.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
4th worst -- forgot about the 'Stros.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to get angry.
But now I’m satiated.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't get past the Padres for free...
And since we don’t want to “steal” content, maybe you could post a snip or two?
kthxbai.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't you already know what he said?
"If they had this s--- when i was playing, I would have been the best f------ shortstop who ever lived." - Oswaldo Guillen
by larry on Apr 3, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assumed I was being content-protecty by posting the link, but here's a summary:
“Blah, blah, defense, blah, blah, blah, they should play Lillibridge at SS and move Wise to CF, blah, blah but Ozzie’s good at pitching staffs and stuff so maybe I’m wrong.” There’s very little analysis, it’s just a short blurb.
I’m not real optimistic about this year either (the defense does suck, I’m not sure we’re better anywhere than we were last year and looks like we’re at least arguably worse in a few places, our old guys are a year older, etc.), but I’d be very surprised if we were worse than the Tigers, Royals, O’s, Nats, etc. And the Lillibridge-over-Wise thing is just a great big steaming pile of wrong.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Move Ramirez to CF." I are dum.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm agin' it.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's like Joe hates staying in my good graces or something
didn’t he get Nate’s memo?
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a good writer, but often unnecessarily strident.
He’s like Mariotti, if Mariotti were not a giant bag of fuck.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Meant in reply to colin.
I seem to be having a problem with the whole “doing stuff right” thing today.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wet. Bag of WET fuck.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is my favorite site on the whole of the Internet.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chiburb and I are workin' blue today.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lenny Bruce, meet George Carlin.
Wait, I reversed that.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Hold Steady tonight
second concert ever. i’m pumped
" Cheat I would like to become a managing editor. Email me what I need to do."-by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT
" You've got step one down. Sucking a lot of dick."- by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM PDT
by U-God on Apr 3, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm sure they'll only be better than when i saw them outdoors at a festival.
and they were damn good then.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
U-G won't know the difference, sheltered life and all...
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much true
" Cheat I would like to become a managing editor. Email me what I need to do."-by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT
" You've got step one down. Sucking a lot of dick."- by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM PDT
by U-God on Apr 3, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see: some would read your OP as this is the second concert Hold Steady has performed.
My post tilts it toward the reality of you being the university student who HAS NEVER HEARD LIVE NON-CHURCH MUSIC UNTIL RECENTLY.
Hope that clears things up.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like my face!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only something could be done about those mouth sores...
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm ok with it
" Cheat I would like to become a managing editor. Email me what I need to do."-by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT
" You've got step one down. Sucking a lot of dick."- by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM PDT
by U-God on Apr 3, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
should have been a reply to your earlier one
cuz now this looks weird
" Cheat I would like to become a managing editor. Email me what I need to do."-by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT
" You've got step one down. Sucking a lot of dick."- by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM PDT
by U-God on Apr 3, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BWAHAHA! Chi's reply failures are contagious. Like the mouth sores you are okay with..
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're also familiar with the infinite uses of saran wrap?
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
BWAH!!!!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
best fuck-up ever.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Apr 3, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They rocked Albany
115 people maximum occupancy. Pretty sure that was exceeded.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Apr 3, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tiny club? i bet that fuckin rocked
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
Everybody sweat through two shirts. The stage was on the second floor of the building, and when everybody jumped, the floor flexed. Which was slightly unsettling, but now that nobody died, awesome.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Apr 3, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
courtyard cafe in the union
" Cheat I would like to become a managing editor. Email me what I need to do."-by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT
" You've got step one down. Sucking a lot of dick."- by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM PDT
by U-God on Apr 3, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick poll
I’ve got 3 more posts in this series, pitching, a wrap-up piece…. and one more where I’ll go through the Sox top prospects and point out the specific things we should be keeping an eye on this upcoming season….
Nobody visits the site on the weekend though. But if I don’t knock out the next two parts this afternoon or this weekend, we’re into the season… and then we’re looking at a colin-like waiting period before it’s finished…
I think I just answered my own quesiton…
Twitter: @SouthSideCheat
SouthSideSox on Facebook
by The Cheat on Apr 3, 2009 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
“Abortions for all!”
“BOO!”
“Very well — no abortions for anyone!”
“BOO!”
“Hmm… abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.”
“Yay!”
by CWSKeith on Apr 3, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
How is this not rec'd yet?
Now it is.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In seriousness, I suspect there may be more traffic this weekend than normal FWIW.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i do concur.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you two having a Dungeons and Dragons sleepover this weekend?
How dare you not invite me!
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Apr 3, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're making a fort and everything.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aww, man. sweet. my parents just got a new fridge. we can use the cardboard box!
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Apr 3, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Girlz Aloud.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
weekend before the season?
more traffic!
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Apr 3, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who you calling a "nobody?"
:P
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WAIT! Before you move on, go back and change "accent" to "ascent".
Only YOU can edit your posts.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only YOU can prevent forest fires.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why doesn't Smokey the Bear have any cubs??
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because he always pulls out?
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, that's it. You win a pull-string pull-out Smokey doll.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
turn that shit green motherfucker
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many times do we have to read this today?
Your Dad wanted a boy – he lost. He loves you. It’s OK.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I had known that 20 self-loathing years ago.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cuz when his wife gets hot he beats her with a shovel?
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
mine was better
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Please don't ever do that again.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Traffic will increase this weekend.
MLB OD Sunday night. Watch. Look at today’s thread. Rip-snortin’ testosterone, waiting to be unleashed.
Bring it on this weekend, Boss.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote this weekend, good stuff
So what do you think Cheat – is Fields gonna be a washout? You can either hit the fastball or you can’t, pretty tough to be in MLB for long if you can’t.
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 3, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm pretty sure you just implied that my temporal attenuation is replacement level
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, U of M words. I remember when I was smart.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was the only way i could think of to summarize it
which isn’t to say i thought long and hard. and in my experience, there are plenty of folks at UofM who have no fucking clue what i’m talking about. that could be the acid, though.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Liar!
You were a drunk back then.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Apr 3, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am used to was have being a drunk.
It’s the subplujunctperfective tense. I think it means I have never not been drunk, but I’m too drunk to tell.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
colin-like waiting period
You mean like after 12:00, or like the Getz interview?
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Still having troubles, huh?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
y'all got a case of the retards today
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 2:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the last one was intentional.
ftw or something
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may be retarded...but at least I have clear skin.
(turns to camera: Thanks, Proactive!)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proactive. Warning: May cause dryness of skin, slight numbness, some retardation.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a sandy vag.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And mouth sores.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Apr 3, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And obesity.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and loss of scalp and penis
Colon "toes" nothing. That implies a nimbleness akin to a Nureyev. I beleive he "platypussed" the shit out of that mound.
-winningugly
by blackoutsox on Apr 5, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This thread is green-tastic. Deservingly so....I love you guys.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Apr 3, 2009 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
does anyone else get the sense that the whole baseball online world is insanely bored
I first felt this around 2 weeks ago when the WBC ended, but these past few days have just been horrible.
BTF is completely dead. My fantasy league has made a total of 1 trade in the past week. The NY tabloids are running out of bad spring training puns.
Sunday can’t come soon enough.
by madvillian on Apr 3, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not if you like the political threads BTF ain't dead
and I quite enjoy those threads. There’s a good range of liberal and libertarian goodness on there. They get tense (where does that not happen, though, besides circle-jerk places that only cater to the left or right) but enough civil discourse and debate takes place to make those threads real interesting (to me, anyways).
by CWSKeith on Apr 3, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTF might have the best discourse of any site I regularly read online
And I’m a news junkie, so that’s quite a few. Their thread on PECOTA and the White Sox was a classic, well argued from many different angles.
As a non-finance type I also immensely enjoy their discussion on collective bargaining agreements, labor contracts, team valuation, etc.
But that said, I go there for the baseball, the news stuff is nice, but this time of year it’s a poor substitute.
by madvillian on Apr 3, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this may be the most rec'd thread i've ever seen.
i’m not sure if this thread is hilarious or if the standards have taken a nosedive.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Apr 3, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
can't it be both?
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Apr 3, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Opening Day Giddiness and General Drunkedness.
Salute your General, soldier.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 3, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, a +1 for liking all the greens.
Anybody else want to do a charity greenie with me?
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's our most eco-friendly thread yet
" Cheat I would like to become a managing editor. Email me what I need to do."-by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT
" You've got step one down. Sucking a lot of dick."- by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM PDT
by U-God on Apr 3, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec's are deserving
laughed at your knee pad comment and colin’s smokey bear pull out
4.2.09 - anno Cutler
by Illini0509 on Apr 3, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just recd everything that has at least 1 rec.
I wanted to contribute to join in the fun. :(
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Apr 3, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Apr 3, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bears fanbase has outdumbed the Cubs today
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a lifelong bears fan. But if you were listening to the score today you would think that we are set to win 7 super bowls straight
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
by 815Sox on Apr 3, 2009 6:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what idiots
it’s clearly going to be 9
" Cheat I would like to become a managing editor. Email me what I need to do."-by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT
" You've got step one down. Sucking a lot of dick."- by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM PDT
by U-God on Apr 3, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I can't decide whether all those green posts were actually funny
Let’s all just pretend we all lol’d and everyone enjoy a pat on the ass. Except, HSA, who should be expecting a visit from a very tan mob.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 3, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
PHOENIX – Dewayne Wise returned to the White Sox’s lineup Friday night against Arizona, although he is nagged by a persistent cough.
Here’s the White Sox’s lineup: Wise cf Getz 2b Quentin lf Thome dh Dye rf Konerko 1b Pierzynski c Ramirez ss Fields 3b Danks p
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/04/white-sox-lineup-friday.html
"If they had this s--- when i was playing, I would have been the best f------ shortstop who ever lived." - Oswaldo Guillen
by larry on Apr 3, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my theory on wise's "persistent cough"
he visited the dolphin at brookfield zoo.
Kaylee, Brookfield Zoo’s 15-year-old female dolphin with a long history of health problems, has died after a three-week illness, a zoo spokeswoman confirmed this afternoon.
A news release issued before Kaylee died said the dolphin’s appetite dropped off and her behavior started changing three weeks ago, when keepers and veterinarians began an around-the-clock vigil, treating her for a fungal infection and putting her through a series of high-tech diagnostic tests using X-rays, CT scans, ultrasounds and bronchoscopes.
In January, 2006, the zoo veterinary staff treated Kaylee for a life-threatening abscess on her lung, but the release said the scar tissue remaining on the lung increased her risk for infection.
Until her death, Kaylee was one of four related dolphins that live in the zoo’s Seven Seas exhibit building. Kaylee’s mother, Tapeko, and siblings, Noelani and Allison, also live in the exhibit. During Kalee’s illness, the building remained closed so that the staff could concentrate on her treatment.
“We always place the well-being of our animals first,” said Kim Smith, the zoo’s vice president of animal care.
"If they had this s--- when i was playing, I would have been the best f------ shortstop who ever lived." - Oswaldo Guillen
by larry on Apr 3, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Mets signed Sheffield
" Cheat I would like to become a managing editor. Email me what I need to do."-by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT
" You've got step one down. Sucking a lot of dick."- by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM PDT
by U-God on Apr 3, 2009 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
brilliant!
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Apr 3, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants release Plaxico Burress
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4040009
May the Bears be infested by the soul of Dan Snyder, and proceed to sign Plax, Holt, and Marvin Harrison.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 3, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We're on the same page, Lord of the Dark Matter.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to officially up the number of rec's required to get green comment status
say bye-bye to half the green in this thread
Twitter: @SouthSideCheat
SouthSideSox on Facebook
by The Cheat on Apr 3, 2009 7:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you are wise.
"If they had this s--- when i was playing, I would have been the best f------ shortstop who ever lived." - Oswaldo Guillen
by larry on Apr 3, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your sig sucks.
And you are Mongolia.
keep it to a game thread or something like that, people will want to look at this again and don’t want to see a pair of bollocks every time they come on, you fucking wanker.
by winningugly on Apr 3, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's only at 2 right?
it’s been too low.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.