A Portrait of the Player as a Young Man: White Sox Minor League Update
by larry on Apr 26, 2009 12:19 PM CDT
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Josh D. Fields, 3B, Chicago White Sox
Bats: R Throws: R HT: 6-2 WT: 210 DOB: December 14, 1982
It may cause some confusion, but there are two players named “Josh Fields” in the White Sox system. This is the third base version, Josh D. Fields, drafted in the first round in 2004 out of Oklahoma State. A top-notch overall athlete, Fields is still learning how to play baseball. He has excellent raw power, but his swing can be mechanical, and he doesn’t drive the ball for distance as well as he should or could. His strike zone judgment is also a problem, and he strikes out an awful lot. His OPS was just +2 percent last year, inadequate for a corner player. Fields’ defense is like his hitting: you can see the natural talent (a strong arm, good range) but he needs more polish. He is at least a year away from being ready for the majors.
Grade C+.
John Sickels' 2006 Book.
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and while it’s on my mind — is there a site that calculates running league averages for the various minor leagues? I know minorleaguesplits does some various things like neutralizing for park and “luck”, but I didn’t think I saw anything about current averages.
(A quick google search yielded this, but those are 2008 averages — I’m looking for a current 2009 list.)
beckham to remain at short and in case he's called up he will play short says ozzie
from the ranger’s pregame show
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Guillen all but ruled out considering infielder Gordon Beckham, the team’s touted 2008 first-round draft pick.
“Beckham doesn’t play second [he is a shortstop]. If you see Beckham up here this year, we’re in trouble,” he added. “He should play a full season down there [at Class AA Birmingham]. If we have to [bring him up], we will, but I hope we don’t have to.”
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
‘’Beckham doesn’t play second,‘’ Guillen said. ’’If you see Beckham up here this year, we’re in trouble. He should play a full season down there (at Birmingham). If we have to (bring him up), we will, but I hope we don’t have to.’’
http://www.southtownstar.com/sports/1545243,042709sptsoxnb.article
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
you see this yet?
‘’Beckham doesn’t play second,‘’ Guillen said. ’’If you see Beckham up here this year, we’re in trouble. He should play a full season down there (at Birmingham). If we have to (bring him up), we will, but I hope we don’t have to.’’
Cashing checks and having sex.
yeah, i see now
my bad…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
christan marrero continues to hit well
2-3, HR, BB. morel also heating up: 2-4, 2 HR.
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infante effective again for kanny.
7 IP, 7 hits, 3 BB, 5 K.
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viciedo wakes up some. maybe he's figured out that american pitch called "the slider".
2-5.
stefan gartrell continues to ask why he isn’t in charlotte. 2-4, with two homers – his fourth and fifth on the year.
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not at his real job apparently!
but this, this is good.
The game was delayed for 10 minutes in the top of the sixth when home plate umpire Kerwin Danley was hit on the head by a broken bat and had to leave the field on a stretcher.
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Chicago White Sox
Signed: LHP Jimmy Gobble, OF Scott Podsednik
Recalled: RHP Jack Egbert
Placed on 7-day DL: OF Kent Gerst
Reinstated from DL: RHP Justin Cassel, C Michael Grace
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=3635
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And Viciedo went back-to-back.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
The phoenix rises.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Apr 27, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
no return to the island?
btw, I’ve read half of ‘the children of hurin,’ me likey
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Cool, I need youd enjoy.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Apr 27, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
knew
fuck im retarded.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Apr 27, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
eh that book is ok
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
charlie shirek: 7 IP, 4 hits, 1 BB, 8 K for winston-salem.
danks 3-5 but 2 K.
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no need to mention strikeouts!
Jordan Danks, the younger brother of Sox pitcher John Danks, is batting .315 with 15 runs, 12 RBIs, 11 walks and four stolen bases in 18 games for Class A Winston-Salem.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-28-white-sox-bits-chicagoapr28,0,5712329.story
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
drafted in the seventh round. that's some scouting right there.
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thats called singing bonuses
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
idk
these singing bonuses sound intriguing
"2 years ago when I looked into my baseball magazine I saw the name Lars Anderson. I just thoguht, another draft pick that might not do anything. Also I though here might be the next Albert Pujols." -dasox313
I heard he would have been a possible first rounder if not for his agent
that is why baseball drafts intrige me, many picks are based on how agressive you are in siging players.
That is the difference between the Red Sox and the Pirates
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
i was making fun of your misspelling of "signing" as "singing"
"2 years ago when I looked into my baseball magazine I saw the name Lars Anderson. I just thoguht, another draft pick that might not do anything. Also I though here might be the next Albert Pujols." -dasox313
first, you're completely missing all the jokes here.
second, he was perhaps a second round talent.
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McCulloch still groundballing
15/4 GB/FB, in line for the win partially thanks to offensive help from some Cuban guy with 3 hits (so far)
viciedo 3-4, HR, SB
shelby 1-3, 2B, BB, SB.
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beckham: 1-5, 1 2B, 1 K
t-flo: 0-3, 2 BB, 2 K
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
flowers had 7 abs in one game?
wow
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
me fial
math no so good
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MadVillian
His first, right?
Nice.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Apr 28, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
well, sure, to an extent.
37% or whatever is rarely acceptable for anyone. i’d expect it to moderate some and settle more towards his career line. but power hitters can get away with higher K rates (see, e.g., thome, jim), especially if they walk a lot. flowers profiles as a power hitter who will walk a lot. danks, despite the gaudy slugging so far, does not profile as a power hitter. so it’s far more of a concern for him.
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Is strikeout rate something that can reasonably be expected to decline as a player develops?
I was wondering about that w/r/t Viciedo earlier. I imagine a hitter can grow more disciplined as he matures, but do high strikeout minor leaguers become high strikeout pros?
well, i'd say that depends.
there are certainly guys who have done it and it’s not a tiny minority or anything. but guys who have high k rates in the minors tend to do it in the majors. viciedo may not be the greatest example of this, though, because he is quite young for the league (though you can counter that he has some signifcant experience from cuba) and seeing him overmatched, at least initially, shouldn’t be a surprise. however, the 25% rate that i think he’s at right now doesn’t sound out of whack for his player profile as we currently know it. and he’s another guy who i’m not greatly concerned about regarding k rate for the same reasons as flowers. i do expect that his BB rate will increase – and that is something that is not unusual as guys adjust to higher levels.
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with broadway's promotion, justin cassel moves into the charlotte rotation.
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Bbroadway, I wait and I wait to see something good, I guess I will keep on waiting
Lupe, release the balloons!
loman: .355/.429/.516
have you heard anything about this guy larry?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
former salesman
a dreamer, also suicidal.
This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.
by jc2313 on Apr 28, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
BA's take
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/independent-audit/2008/267000.html
This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.
Walker's favorite player!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
From Jim's Minor league roundup:
Interesting side note while listening to the Birmingham game: Buddy Bell has instructed all corner infielders to play well off the line at all times — even with a two-run lead in the ninth inning. He believes they’ll see more chances that way, as more balls go through the holes between fielders than down the lines.
http://soxmachine.com/blogs/soxmachine/archive/2009/04/28/15789.aspx/there’s-no-blog-here
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
jeff marquez is hilarious.
3 IP, 4 hits, 4 BB, 2 K, 2 HR, 6 ER.
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remenowsky: how does he do it?
1 IP, zeros across and 1 K for the save.
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It’s a brother act, one pitches, the other one hits
Jordan Danks, OF, White Sox (High-A Winston Salem)
Monday’s Stats3-for-5, 3 R
White Sox lefty John Danks’ younger brother never lived up to expectations during his three years at the University of Texas, but scouts found it hard not to fall in love with his ultra-athletic frame (he’s four inches taller than his older brother) and potential, with the White Sox paying out a $525,000 bonus last summer to get him into the system. Things seems to be finally clicking, as Jordan is now 13-for-26 in his last six games, and batting .333/.416/.526 overall in his first 19 games. He’s probably at least two years away from catching fly balls in support of his brother.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/minorleagueupdate/
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poreda's encore not as super as last time out.
6.1 IP, 5 hits, 2 BB, 3 K.
clevelan santeliz and his now not sore shoulder debuted and showed why he’s on the 40 man roster by pitching 1.1 IP and striking out all four batters he faced. also stranded the two runners he inherited from poreda.
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Larry is treating this thread as if it was his twitter timeline
keep ’em news coming :)
Lupe, release the balloons!
dexter carter very good.
6 IP, 4 hits, 0 BB, 6 K, 8-4 groundouts-flyouts.
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carlos torres effective
6 IP, 4 hits, 3 BB, 4 K. gobble struck out all three batters he faced in an inning of relief.
nix 2-3, 2 BB. andy phillips 2-4, 2 HR, BB.
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no. i don't really get the sense the organization likes him. probably would need to keep this up for a few more months.
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yeah they must not have much faith in him
his numbers are pretty solid in spite of all that though.
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
okay, brent. maybe your power will translate to higher levels.
fith homer for morel, 1-3, BB. oh, and his seventh steal of the year.
marrero is hot: 3-4, 2 2B and an average over .400. danks 2-4, 2B.
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Morel's had some bad BABIP luck so far
but the BB, K and ISO numbers are all really nice.
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
I know Winston-Salem is a fine place for hitters
but Morel’s home ISO being over 6x greater than his road ISO is slightly dubious. Let’s hope this discrepancy balances out to a non-concerning level by the end of the year
of course. but i'd note that they were on the road to start the season and only started playing at their (temporary) home last thursday.
home/away splits may not even be coming into play here much. just a guy hitting now after not really hitting the first couple weeks.
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harrell got the good outing he desperately needed
7 IP, 8 hits, 0 BB, 6 K – only run coming via the home run.
flowers 2-4, 2B, HR.
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he has a club foot and kind of waddles around.
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Viciedo's 5th Error, when does the transition to the OF happen?
by ThisIsJustBanter on Apr 29, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Errors in the OF don't count as much,
because they are farther away from home.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Very true. Also, home runs do not count for as much in Birmingham as Chicago because Birmingham is closer to the Equator.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 29, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
but i thought we were starting to appreciate the equator
"2 years ago when I looked into my baseball magazine I saw the name Lars Anderson. I just thoguht, another draft pick that might not do anything. Also I though here might be the next Albert Pujols." -dasox313
BA likes the home advantage
bed that is
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
by blackoutsox on Apr 29, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
beckham has like fifteen errors or something.
probably should shoot him out behind the berm.
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So they are a good thing?
Hmm, didn’t know that. And clearly, clearly Viciedo should be shot. Or, you know, play better defense?
by ThisIsJustBanter on Apr 29, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
please tell me the circumstances of viciedo's error in today's game.
errors are a joke of a statistic. especially without context.
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Dont fuck with larry!
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Apr 29, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Errors are unimportant.
Unless they are important.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
the statistic itself doesn't tell you much of anything.
every stat needs a context but errors are especially worthless standalone.
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sure you always have edge cases where an error could be called the other way
but overall, if a guy has a large of amount of errors, more than likely he is is a suspect on d, no? I guess it is the same what you are saying, if you see an E in a state shit, don’t go “OMG he FIALED!”. However looking at the overall count can be indicative of a fielding problems.
Lupe, release the balloons!
wow, how did "stat sheet" become "state shit"? i love my internets thoughts
Lupe, release the balloons!
counter example A: joe crede.
and we already know viciedo is suspect on defense. the errors tell us no new information. looking at three weeks worth of games and saying “when does he move to the outfield” is certainly not worth the time that has spent on it here. people act like improvements occur magically and overnight. wait a full season before declaring a guy needs to move to another position. and, preferably, don’t make such determinations by looking at a box score.
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I agree, but you can say the same thing about
“HR allowed” or “runs allowed”, or “RBI’s”, as in “what was the context, when were they allowed/hit, were they meaningful/clutch”. Slippery slope, counselor.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Apr 30, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
yes. probably because i am saying the same thing about all of those.
you might notice that when i do my recaps on here i rarely mention your examples.
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I might.
I might notice you have a thread that references the Sox minor league comings and goings.
Wait, I’m ON it? AAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Apr 30, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe I should clarify...
I’m not saying he should be moved immediately to the OF. I’m not saying he or the organization should do anything along those lines as I haven’t seen the kid play more than a handful of spring training games. Where I’m coming from is “scouts” I have read say he projects to play somewhere else defensively. Just raising the fact that he has 5 errors early on. That’s all. Even if it is worthless.
Keep up the good work and I’ll keep reading. Thanks.
by ThisIsJustBanter on Apr 30, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
(Unsaid:
Start sucking even a gnat’s johnson’s amount and I’m off to another site, you pompous POS. Oh, wait, maybe that was me.)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
There are no other sites.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Apr 30, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
doubles for beckham and viciedo too
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i suppose this could be an explanation: jeff marquez placed on the DL.
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cause or effect?
This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.
both
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
by blackoutsox on Apr 29, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Kannapolis a pitchers park?
Just wondering, because through 20 games the entire pitching staff has only given up 1 homerun.
well, i wouldn't call it a pitcher's park.
but fieldcrest cannon historically suppresses home runs.
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Chicago White Sox
Jordan Danks never lived up to expectations during his three years at the University of Texas, and when he plummeted in last year’s draft, the White Sox, hoping that the potential of playing with his brother might help in negotiations, drafted him in the seventh round. The gamble worked; they signed him to a $525,000 bonus. After an impressive run in the Arizona Fall League in 2008, Danks has continued to roll hitting leadoff for High-A Winston-Salem, batting .329/.414/.518 while scoring 20 runs in 21 games.
One scout who recently saw Danks walked away impressed, but not without concerns. “Well, you have to start with the body, you have to love that frame and the tools,” he began, referring to Danks’ 6-foot-5, 210-pound frame. “I know he had a reputation for not showing much power in college, but he’s hitting the ball hard here,” he added, as Danks entered Wednesday’s action with eight doubles, a triple, and two home runs in 85 at-bats. If there is one red flag on Danks’ stat line, it’s a contact issue, as he has struck out 26 times so far this year, and the scout discussed the way that it’s a function of the center fielder’s swing. “It’s definitely long-ish,” said the scout, “and it could spell some trouble for him down the road. It takes him some time to unload.”
It’s hard to talk about Danks without comparing him to former White Sox prospect and current Oakland outfielder Ryan Sweeney, another tall, athletic outfielder who didn’t hit for the power people expected… and who still hasn’t. “It’s a good comp,” said the scout. “We’ll just have to wait and see.”
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8804
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i know a part time scout in in an NL org
we used to play strat-o-matic back in high school together. i’m going to start a website and let him make all kinds of shit up and attribute it to a pro scout. and then charge people for it.
"Scout" = "out of work tobacco farmer" or "Justin Smoak's uncle".
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Apr 30, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I am starting to become really freaking excited about
Cole Tyler Flowers
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Both
Seriously. We fawn over Beckham but Flowers is going to contribute very soon on the big ball club.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
i hope not.
the guy needs a couple more years.
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do you think AJ has a couple more serviceable years left in him?
or simply that it would better serve the long term goals of the sox to make do with an aging AJ or crappy replacement catcher in order to get flowers enough development time?
aj has nothing to do with it.
flowers is an awful defensive catcher. i don’t think that is going to change quickly, either. if you want him to be a catcher – which is the smart thing to do, of course – he’s going to need a full year in birmingham and likely a full year, or just about, in charlotte.
if you want to punt on him being anything other than a 1B, he could probably be in the majors in august. his bat is that good.
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That's my point
I’m sorry his bat is too damn good to stay down for long. I get how bad he is behind the plate, but if the upside is Mike Piazza (half kidding) I don’t give a crap.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
people sure do like to rush prospects around here.
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No one likes over-30 players on this site
unless they are over 30.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Im not saying now.
But if Thome is fumbling around and the team is competitive in August, stick his ass at DH. I can wait a year but not two if he’s crushing double A ball.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
let's not get tunnel vision.
i hear there’s another guy in birmingham. lefty. better defender at 1B than konerko. can actually run.
no. wait. that kind of thinking makes too much sense. my bad. let’s just fuck up flowers instead.
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way to crush me like a little bug
Point made. I’m still excited though.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
i definitely want to see flowers stick at catcher
i wonder if carlton fisk could be enticed to spend some quality time in birmingham this summer. seems like the perfect guy to teach another big guy the finer points of working behind the plate.
if you want him to be a catcher – which is the smart thing to do, of course – he’s going to need a full year in birmingham and likely a full year, or just about, in charlotte.
what catcher (ignore the hitting side) do you think he will be if he spends 2 more years in the minors? AJ? better? worse? will it be worth wasting 2 years of his bat?
or is this something we can’t really project yet?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
not sure his bat will be wasted for two years. i mean, good lord, he has, what, fifty PAs at AA and now the white sox are wasting his bat at birmingham?
we can circle back on this in a few months – and i’m sure the white sox will be doing the same thing. if there isn’t any improvement and they don’t expect him to improve enough, forget the catcher route and bump up his timeline.
tyler has a better arm than aj. what he needs to work on is his blocking the ball and generally his footwork behind the plate. what can he be? no idea. certainly better than what he is now, which is atrocious.
and considering the massive difference in value between a 1B/DH and a C, i’d say that putting him on a path where he spends perhaps another year in the minors is well worth it.
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Year and a half sounds good to me.
Give AJ half of next year to work with him and show him some of what hes good at(calling the game and blocks.)
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Apr 30, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
...and here's the info i was looking for.
someone should make an effort to publicize this minor league stuff.
Cashing checks and having sex.
cassel lit up in his starting debut: 4 IP, 8 hits, HBP, 3 BB, 2 K, 6 runs
and how low can miguel negron go? who lent their name to .100?
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Did you see Syracuse's roster?
Ahh the names of a time since past:
Ryan Langerhans, Corey Patterson, Gary Glover, Brad Eldred, Josh Bard, Lastings Milledge…
They remind me of a poem I can’t remember, and a song that may never have existed, and a place I’m not sure I’ve ever been to.
(and yes, it would have been a lot better if WU or Chiburb had written this)
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on May 1, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i was going to comment on the similarities between charlotte and syracuse.
but they have milledge which i think makes their roster approximately 3.4 times better.
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nearly everyone struck out in kannapolis tonight.
35 K between the two teams over 10 innings. hudson 7 IP, 2 hits, 2 HBP, 1 BB, 13 K.
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Hudson and Carter
I think I’ve just melded the two together - are they similar stuff/ceiling-/prospect-status-wise?
Someone can correct me if I am wrong
but Hudson is more polished, lower ceiling, more likely to hit that ceiling . . . Carter has the better stuff, less polished, higher ceiling though.
IMO, Hudson should have started in high A, low A isnt going to be and shouldnt be much of a challenge for him. It will be more important to see if his stuff plays at a higher level. But I am guessing they want to move Hudson and Carter together, so it might be a mid year thing for both.
This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.
both could have started at w-s
it’s not like either guy should exactly have difficulty with the sally.
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Agreed, I can understand a little more
with Carter given his horrendous control issues prior to last year, but they both need to get to W-S sooner rather than later.
This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.
i don't mind where they are for now.
gives them the opportunity to work on some things. but i think the white sox expected the sally to not completely suck this year offense-wise and provide an occasional challenge to these guys. hudson’s 30:1 or whatever K:BB rate is going to get counterproductive at some point.
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beckham shows why he's a top 25 prospect by going 3-5, 2 2B.
allen shows why he’s barely a top 100 prospect by only going 2-5, 2B. retherford again overcomes his club foot to go 3-4 and legged out a double, too. he’s my hero.
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sox machine provides a review of april for charlotte and birmingham
http://soxmachine.com/blogs/soxmachine/archive/2009/05/01/15828.aspx
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Sleeper alert!
Dan Hudson, LHP, White Sox (Low-A Kannapolis)
Thursday’s stats: 7 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 13 K
A fifth-round pick last June out of Old Dominion, Hudson certainly passes the scouting sniff test as a physically imposing six-foot-four lefty with plus velocity. Unfortunately, that was about all he had going for him, as his secondary stuff and lagged behind. While he’s a bit old for the Sally League, he’s having no problem dominating, delivering his second straight double-digit strikeout game and giving him a ridiculous 30-to-2 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 22 innings.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8815
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also on the hot sheet
No. 5 DAN HUDSON, RHP
WHITE SOX
Team: low Class A Kannapolis (South Atlantic)
Age: 22
Why He’s Here: 0-1, 1.42, 12 2/3 IP, 9 H, 2 R, 2 HBP, 1 BB, 24 SO
The Scoop: A year ago, Hudson was suffering the worst season of his three-year career at Old Dominion. But reunited with college teammate Dexter Carter as members of the White Sox after signing as a fifth-round pick for $180,000, Hudson got back on track and has stormed out of the gate this season. Through 22 innings (covering four starts), the righthander has shown incredible pinpoint control in going 1-2, 1.23 with 30 strikeouts and two walks. He’s yielded 15 hits and owns an opponents average of just .190.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2009/268037.html
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I kinda like the word, ambrisexterity
I don’t know what it means, but I’m going to use it passingly in conversations to see what type of reaction I can get
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how dare you!
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MadVillian
morel continues to heat up, 2-4.
danks 2-5, SB.
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What are your opinions on Morel, larry? Personally I don’t think his bat plays at 3rd so unless he’s playing Beltre level defense his value is going to be very limited, but maybe that’s just me.
joe randa is the comp most often tossed around.
and that sounds about right. i’m kind of surprised at how well he’s hit so far in his pro career.
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sergio morales, since he came off the DL, has been approximately the only bright offensive spot for the intimidators this season.
2-4, 3B, HR.
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i've got no clue what to talk about here.
charlotte has nothing. miguel negron leads off. john van benschoten just gets ripped apart. egbert can’t do anything anymore. the offense today had only a single player upon whom the term “prospect” could be even loosely applied and that’s donny friggin’ lucy, who might be a back-up catcher.
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8 of beckham's last 9 hits have been doubles
2-4, 2 2B. viciedo 1-4, HR.
omogrosso 6 IP, 5 hits, 2 BB, 10 K.
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video from a recent barons game
http://www.youtube.com/user/jpafan44
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isnt this fun?
Oliver Perez lhp
3 years/$36M (2009-11)
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
sorry didnt mean to post this here.
not trying to clutter.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
marrero 1-3, BB
danks 2-4, BB and was picked off.
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infante: 5.2 IP, 6 hits, 2 BB, 1 K
after his impressive season debut, infante has been pretty pedestrian in his next four starts.
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if the white sox didn't have a triple a affiliate, would anyone miss it?
or, better, would anyone miss it if i just didn’t cover them?
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he sat on the bench during the white sox-rangers game.
seems to be outside of the scope of this thread, though, colin.
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nope, still not seeing it.
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by colintj on May 3, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the barons got their asses kicked.
viciedo with the golden sombrero.
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marquez
Charlotte pitcher Jeff Marquez has been shut down indefinitely because of a right elbow injury, a team source said.
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The jury's still out on the efficacy of the Swisher trade.
BWAHAHAHAHA!
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
I was going to ask what happened to Cole Armstrong
turns out, he just sucks. I doubt Flowers ever becomes an average catcher, for those who care. So the Sox should ride AJ for all he’s worth.
don't hurt yourself climbing out on that limb, danny.
i doubt there’s anyone in the universe who thinks flowers will become an average catcher. passable is the goal.
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I think that would be a productive goal for the White Sox
maybe not most teams, but if all our corner infielders become average regulars(which is a fairly huge assumption), then I’d support Flowers catching. I’d just rather see the Sox continue to bulk up his value and trade him during the peak of it, is all.
by Daniel Berlyn on May 3, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
and then have to acquire another catcher in 2011?
i dunno, dan. that seems counterproductive.
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What do you mean by
another catcher? If Flowers can be molded into a good defensive catcher, that’s great. I’d take my chances on another team overvaluing him, though. Of course, the White Sox may have already done thatKenny Williams already did that.
by Daniel Berlyn on May 3, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
okay.
you seem stuck on him being either an average or good defensive catcher. if that’s your litmus test, you’re already setting up rules that can’t be followed so, fine, trade him away.
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I value defense
at defensive positions. Maybe it’s less important for the White Sox given their park.
by Daniel Berlyn on May 3, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
who cares how you get to value.
defense, offense, whatever. value is value however you get there.
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Sure
but I don’t think defensive value is scaled correctly as it is, especially with catchers. I don’t know what Flowers’ defense is like or what it will be like, but according to reports he’s going to take awhile to get to where he needs to be to be a ML catcher, all things considered. I think the Sox would be just as well flipping him and getting more definite value rather than sort of maybe thinking his defensive game is kind of OK somewhere down the line. Of course, if he is passable and rakes as a catcher, that’s great. But I’m not sure that’s what the White Sox are going to need. There are already enough questions surrounding prospects without trying to learn the hardest position.
by Daniel Berlyn on May 3, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we should be wary of any defensive scaling
especially with catchers. I’m not sure we’re on the same page, though.
by Daniel Berlyn on May 4, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm talking about the position adjustments
and catcher defense, both of which have been studied at length by tango.
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i prefer looking at total value. dude has 6th best wOBA in the Southern League.
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it's the same mistake people make all the time.
dumbass: this guy is terrible on offense. he sucks.
non-retard: maybe you should check his defensive value.
vice versa is the same. if flowers rakes like he should, his defense can be pretty weak and he’ll still be quite valuable. especially considering allen is on target to be 1B and you can find 1B and DH wherever.
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I'm not doubting that he'll likely be the best option at catcher by 2011
but I also wonder whether he could help even more by some other team banking on him improving.
by Daniel Berlyn on May 3, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
his defense isn't exactly a secret.
and the sox have already paid like he’s going to improve.
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yes
depending on how the season plays out, so can another team. This is assuming he continues to progress. I don’t know how other teams see him, though.
by Daniel Berlyn on May 3, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
nothing he has done this season is any different than what was expected of him.
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so what did happen to Armstrong?
is he still the backup of the future?
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
It's a pretty fun thread
when Flowers has been simultaneously and radically overappreciated and undervalued.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
we should sell high on him if he ever becomes valuable.
but right now he is worthless.
i think he’s ready for the bigs.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on May 4, 2009 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
white sox continue to sign random players for charlotte.
this time, daryle ward. homered in his first AB.
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the AAAA all-star game was today in charlotte.
all the names were there. corey patterson. andy phillips. gary glover. daryle ward. brad eldred. jimmy gobble. ryan langerhans.
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garrett johnson put on the kanny disabled list.
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Give him a week.
A month tops.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on May 3, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
As long as they aren't
committed to having those two moving in lock step with each other, the move and non move makes plenty of sense.
This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.
i had thought i'd gone over this enough already
but hudson is the better pitcher right now. carter has higher upside but he ain’t as polished. one place to see this is in the number of wild pitches carter has thrown. could he handle A+ right now? probably. but there’s one spot that’s opened up and there’s no question that should be hudson’s. carter has more work to do on the repetition of mechanics and generally his control.
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I thought so as well
between this and the Flowers discussion above, it made my head hurt.
This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.
remenowsky still can't give up a run: 1 IP, 1 hit, 1 BB, 1 K
charlis burdie 1 IP, 1 BB, 2 K
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Sweet
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on May 3, 2009 10:56 PM CDT reply actions
that looks awesome!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I wish the 59fifties fit me
They look like train conductor hats on my head.
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Sox Machine
Tough luck Jim,
Ive got 4 right now and they all look decent on me.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on May 4, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
word is that justin edwards, 3rd round pick in 2006 and who had TJ surgery and missed all of last year, is coming out of extended ST to replace hudson at kanny
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how long does extended spring training last?
"I am amazed we’re as high as 17th in the baserunning metric, and can’t even imagine what Atlanta must be doing to be graded that much worse — seriously, do they just swing then roam randomly around the infield oblivious of the concept of the "base"?." -TAEG
until the rookie leagues and summer leagues begin.
so mid june.
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they should really come up with a better name for it
"I am amazed we’re as high as 17th in the baserunning metric, and can’t even imagine what Atlanta must be doing to be graded that much worse — seriously, do they just swing then roam randomly around the infield oblivious of the concept of the "base"?." -TAEG
well, the name seems aptly descriptive considering what it is.
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sickels
It looks like strike zone judgment IS going to be a problem for Dayan Viciedo. The White Sox Cuban investment is hitting .224/.233/.318 with two walks and 24 strikeouts in 85 at-bats for Double-A Birmingham, obviously unacceptable. It’s still early in the season, but he clearly has some adjustments to make, and one has to wonder if asking him to get used to North America while playing Double-A at age 20 is in his best interests. Right now he would be a very long shot to help at the major league level in ’09.
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http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/5/4/864378/hit-and-run
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since he's "coveted by all 30 teams," he must be coveted by the Sox...
Miguel Angel Sano, a 15 year-old shortstop from the Dominican Republic, is coveted by all 30 teams according to Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. He'll turn 16 in May. The signing period for international free agents begins July 2nd. Kovacevic says Sano could command a bonus of $3MM.Kovacevic says the Pirates are one of the favorites for Sano. GlobalPost has an informative video about the kid. In the clip, Sano wears apparel representing the Blue Jays, Cubs, and Cardinals at various times, for what it's worth. He was wearing an A's jersey when ESPN's Jorge Arangure Jr. and Luke Cyphers saw him. Sano is not worried about proving he's 15 years old, saying in the video, "Let them investigate me." To read a bit about his personality, check out this blog post.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/05/miguel-angel-sano-drawing-attention.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
transacting
Chicago White Sox
Released: LHP Shane Buriff, 3B Jedon Matthews
Recalled: RHP Lance Broadway
Added to 40-man roster: OF Scott Podsednik
Optioned to Triple-A: RHP Jack Egbert
Outrighted to Triple-A and removed from 40-man: OF Jerry Owens
Placed on 7-day DL: RHP Jeff Marquez, LHP Mike Johnston, 3B Keith Ginter
Reinstated from DL: RHP Clevelan Santeliz, RHP Richard Brooks, 3B Keith Ginter
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=3741
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So we can officially mourn Jesse?
It’s safe now? We need a eulogy. Who was his biggest fan?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
he already got a b-r page and a memorial from the guy you're asking
just because it was a little early, we’re going to re-live that whole thing?
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poreda throws a no-hitter.
but don’t get too excited. rain-shortened five inning affair. he had 8 K but also 5 BB and a HBP. the curveball was snapping early on, though.
shelby 2-2, BB, 2B
viciedo 1-2, 2B
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Curveball?
I thought he was slider/change.
sob.
no one reads what i write. why do i even bother?
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Quit whining.
BH shows up once a week. The rest of us hang onto your every word.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
lol.
the weekly recap is on the front page, funny guy.
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But it doesnt have flashing text.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on May 4, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I think a loud "Boom" and fireworks should accompany these recaps.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Haha, seriously though I do read read most of your updates but I guess it doesn’t all sink in. Also you need to make a new fanpost because scrolling through 250+ comments is too arduous for me.
yeah, i've been thinking about that.
it used to be that we could get through the two weeks with a manageable number of comments before i needed to post a new one but it’s getting popular.
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Daily fan post with notable lines
a la Jim?
…that does seem kind of redundant
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carlos torres: 5 IP, 4 hits, 1 BB, 5 K
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Josh Fields
He isn’t the best player, but he will do. I like him more than Crede, but he doesn’t have the same glove as Crede. I still like him more.
P.S. Sorry I havn’t been on a lot, I have had a lot of baseball practice and other things.
Larry just needs to get laid
get him a blowup doll for god sakes
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 9, 2009 7:14 AM CDT
Pubes starting to come in? Voice cracking?
Pits sweating? Adolesence is hell.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Um Thats kinda creepy so im not gunna answer
Larry just needs to get laid
get him a blowup doll for god sakes
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 9, 2009 7:14 AM CDT
Looks like WU hit the nail on the head.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that, if you know what I mean.
I suspect that WU can remember puberty, while the rest of his mind crumbles, and thus knows the best ways to creep you out. Brilliant!
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
when Josh Fields becomes the unofficial world series mvp
then you can consider him in the same ball park as crede
right now, seeing him K in the 2 hole is painful
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
Anything in the 2 hole is painful for me.
Hoodie, too.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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