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Rany on the Royals.

That Rany is gone. He’s fed up. He’s watched Trey Hillman make enough dumb decisions with his bullpen (like this one). He watched as Trey Hillman lost the clubhouse, the cardinal sin for any manager, last August before he was rescued by the team’s improbable 18-8 run in September. And he’s decided that whatever Hillman accomplished in Japan, it means absolutely nothing if he can’t perform third-grade math in his head, the kind of math that says the guy with the 2.61 ERA last year is better than the guy with the 4.48 ERA.

 

The worst part of all this is that we all saw it coming. Every last one of us knew from the moment they read Hillman’s words about keeping Farnsworth in the eighth-inning role that it would cost the Royals dearly at some point. We didn’t know it would be Opening Day, against one of our chief rivals, with the justice meted out by one of our greatest nemeses. But we knew it was coming. With the Royals, no bad decision ever goes unpunished.

 

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I hope Farnsworth pitches today

There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST

by Jbasic89 on Apr 8, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Now I feel bad for them.

typical south side sox meathead.

by thecip on Apr 8, 2009 12:54 PM CDT reply actions  

" Cheat I would like to become a managing editor. Email me what I need to do."-by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT

" You've got step one down. Sucking a lot of dick."- by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM PDT

by U-God on Apr 8, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

i remember how i felt

on opening day 2004.
politte, koch and marte in the 9th. blargh.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. I know how they feel.

idea:
1: build shitty domed stadium
2: invest in scouting
3: have everyone grow sideburns
4: profit$$$

typical south side sox meathead.

by thecip on Apr 8, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

holy crap. now that Ive finished reading it...

I’m with you. Not that I want the Sox to lose to them, but jeez.

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Apr 8, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would this apply to Ozzie/Wise too, or...

Is Rany a little over the top? (Back to reading Rany, back in a few)

What happened on Opening Day was the ultimate example of what behavioral psychologists call "negative feedback", and you’d think that would be enough to learn. (Even lab rats know that if you shock them every time they press a lever, they should stop pressing the lever.) But Hillman shouldn’t have needed the negative feedback of a game-winning three-run homer to learn. If he’s not smart to figure out on his own that Juan Cruz is a better reliever than Kyle Farnsworth, he’s probably not smart enough to realize that if Decision A leads to Outcome B, the best way to avoid Outcome B again is to stop making Decision A.

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Apr 8, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

And.....the Royals

paid Farnsworth how much in the offseason???? They aren’t paying him for a Mike MacDougal role (Farnsworth signing makes me feel a little better about this signing) in the bullpen…I think the blame goes to the Royals front office as much as Hillman.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 8, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you let the amount a guy is being paid dictate your decisions, you're stupid.

and what then is it that they pay ron mahay $4M for? or does that extra $250K to kyle make that decision easy.

by larry on Apr 8, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stupid is as stupid does

It happens with a lot of teams. Look at Fukudome.

I’m not saying it is right – but why did you sign this bum to that contract? Obviously, the scouting dept. blew this one….was it wrong, yeah. Was it all Hillman, no.

It was one game – now Hillman has confirmed that he sucks in those situations. Regardless of what he says about Farnsworth still being trustworthy in that role, lets see if he keeps him in there for that same situation. If he does, then he is stupid.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 8, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

so he needed confirmation that a guy sucks.

got it.

and if your options are gathright, fukudome, and johnson, i’m not sure using fukudome in a platoon is a “stupid” decision. frankly, some might argue that playing him over the other two is the correct decision.

by larry on Apr 8, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

My point is - he is getting paid as a top setup man.

Do you agree?

Apparently the front office/GM/Scouts, whatever – thought he was good enough for this role, or why pay him that amount of money?

So, to say this all lies on Hillman is a incorrect…he deserves a significant part of the blame for putting him out there. But, the organization as a whole is also to blame.

Fukudome in my opinion needs to be sent down to work on his mechanics and adjustments, but he won’t because of the contract.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 8, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, he's getting paid as a top setup man.

so his ron mahay. so is juan cruz. why did hillman choose kyle as his “8th inning guy” and why did he leave him out there? fine, the front office gives you the options. but the manager arrays the options. this wasn’t a close decision at all. farnsworth shouldn’t have been out there to begin with and he certainly shouldn’t have been out there for thome. moore and his scouts weren’t down there in the dugout managing the team.

by larry on Apr 8, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see Mahay

showing anything better than Farnsworth in previous matchups??

Thome vs. Mahay
    8AB, 2Hits – a double and HR, 3BB and 2K

Thome vs. Cruz
   0AB, 1BB

Thome vs. Farnsworth
   3AB, 1 Hit – a double, 1BB, 2K

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 8, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh for fucks sake.

please do not cite samples of 4 PAs. good lord. do i seriously need to write a post about sample sizes? i need to spoon feed you guys?

by larry on Apr 8, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I knew that would get you fired up!

Forget the writing about sample sizes…instead, continue to work at becoming the next Royals manager.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 8, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Forget it - he's on a roll.

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is this sample size

thing being mentioned?? I think we need a fanshot regarding this phenomena.

no. a mime is when you don't talk, not when no one talks to you.
by MarketMaker on Apr 6, 2009 2:58 PM CDT

by jc2313 on Apr 8, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's "old for the league".

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Apr 8, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

you're on your game, old man

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Apr 8, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

let me remind you that our own resident genius

Kenny Williams also was high on Fukudome and offered him a nice sum of cash to boot. just thank your lucky stars that he chose to be the first japanese cub or else he would be battling wise for our center field role!

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Apr 8, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair point

Alexander Hamilton shot Alexander Hamilton...

by Hazymania on Apr 8, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just to get the tizzy going.

I am in favor of Mahay over Farnsworth.
But Mahay has fared worse than Farnsworth against Thome (small sample size, but in 11 PAs, Thome has hit 1 HR, 1 2B and drawn 3 walks against Mahay). Mahay also has pretty small platoon splits; less than a 50 OPS difference. Mahay is a good reliever because he is a good reliever, not because he is a lefty killer of any sort whatsoever.

Just because I like the road less traveled.

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, when you put it like THAT:

Regardless the level of baseball complexity you choose to view this decision, it was obviously the wrong one. And I should say that for ever questionable decision there are usually there abouts an even amount of people on both sides of the argument. I don’t think I have ever seen a situation where it was so blatantly obvious to everyone, baseball priest and layman alike.

OK, I relent. Uncle. I give – it was a horrible decision.

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 1:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Is that what you said in proceedings

for divorces from Wife A and Wife B??

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 8, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You forgot "C", though I never questioned my own stupidity on that one.

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Say, did you hear the one about TAEG not liking Field's bunt for a hit?

Hee.
(I wonder if he has a sense of humor?)

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Apr 8, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe so.

His anger seemed to be a momentary lapse of reason. He was poking fun at himself shortly thereafter.

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Happy Passover, DB.

;)

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL.

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

One game? Come on.

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think as rany has sort of explained, there are a few more things you can lay at his door.

it’s not like this is the first time he’s majorly fucked up bullpen usage.

by larry on Apr 8, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are a master of the understatement when speaking

to who you consider children, aren’t you? I read the post. Name one – ONE – manager EVER fired after the first game of the year.

ONE! And then you can “goo goo, gaa gaa” me all you want, counselor.

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

what does it matter whether it's the first or the last of the season.

we have his track record. it’s not like he’s being fired after one game on the job. it’s obvious that he hasn’t learned much.

by larry on Apr 8, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, he did learn

the truth about santa claus, the tooth fairy, and the easter bunny.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

My point is that it was the first game of the season.

No matter the track record of ANY other manager in history, as far as I can tell, NO MLB manager has ever been fired after the first game of the year. Not even Billy Martin. And if I’m wrong I will acknowledge it. But I’m not. Ted Turner inserted himself in the role for one game in 1990 but it was not at the start of the season.

That was my point in reference to colin’s post. And it wasn’t meant for you. So eff off.

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have you not effed off yet?

Fer Chrissakes.

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't be such a bastard to likeable colintj, you bastard

If it isn’t already obvious, I just wanted to write bastard.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Apr 8, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was referencing the lawyer.

I love colin.

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow...that is pretty cut throat larry.

So the Royals decide to give him one more chance this year and if he blows it with the bullpen, he is out. That is worse than Steinbrenner! That will make everyone on the team feel warm and fuzzy.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 8, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

how long would you give a guy?

again, his bullpen usage was pretty poor last season and it’s apparent with this colossal mistake that he hasn’t learned much. if these guys really think they’re contending, how many games are you going to let your manager blow? three? five? how many before your team feels all warm and fuzzy about their chances of winning being pissed away by a manager? as already noted, it’s not like hillman engenders a great deal of love with royals players.

by larry on Apr 8, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

As GM of the Royals

What do you do? You either fire him after last season if you weren’t happy or you give an opportunity to get things on track this year….maybe you give a window to do it in, but not one game. Sure it is a negative strike against him…but you don’t can him yet.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 8, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

mail-it-in gm

Yer thinking the gm doesn’t have much to do with 1) bringing in Farnsworth, 2) using him in the 8th?

by EddyStanky'sGhost on Apr 8, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Overrating Farnsworth

I think if kw had signed Farnsworth, a lot of people here would have gone nutso.

by EddyStanky'sGhost on Apr 8, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

count me out of that thinking

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/819786/cactus-league-finale-white-sox-vs#13641879

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 8, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

you stated a bunch of people on here would go nuts if we got him.

I was simply saying, count me out.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/819786/cactus-league-finale-white-sox-vs#13641879

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 10, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would have gone nuts

In fact, I would have ripped them off and mailed them to KW himself. Attached would be a note: Are you happy? Because here they are." The benefit, you ask? No more testosterone to drive my search for competitive war simulation and thus I won’t kill myself when The Farnbuster gives up a season losing grand slam to Reggie Willits. I know, it’s awful, but it’s a survivor instinct.

Those poor, poor Royals fans.

by Daniel Berlyn on Apr 8, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

eddy i guess you can count daniel out as well

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/819786/cactus-league-finale-white-sox-vs#13641879

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 10, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

fuel to the fire baby

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/819786/cactus-league-finale-white-sox-vs#13641879

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 8, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was it Opening Day? Huh?

Was he shot and killed? Did he die of a heart attack? Did he go insane like Nietzche? From syphillis?

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

you'll never walk alone

liverpool facing chelsea in the champions league for the 5th time in five years. mercy. what are the chances of that?

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2009 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

ivanovic!!

i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005

by BoeJouma on Apr 8, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

booooooooooooooooooooooooo

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

john terry is a wanker

and his mother is a criminal. and he’ll miss the next match.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

and now drogba!

well, barcelona is my favorite anyways.(assuming celtic is out, which is always.)

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

a lot of real estate being used up on soccer here....

I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator

by Nordhagen on Apr 8, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005

by BoeJouma on Apr 8, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soccer image rebuttal fail.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Apr 8, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

but much smaller. Thanks much!

I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator

by Nordhagen on Apr 8, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

hehehe. I prefer the red x box too.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Apr 8, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

two questions:

did this game already happen? if not, does anyone know of a bootleg feed?

4.2.09 - anno Cutler

by Illini0509 on Apr 8, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah. "Guiding Light".

A soap opera about managers set in KC.

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Apr 8, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

"General Hospital"

If Hillman does it again.

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Apr 8, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, "General Hospital" is the back end of our rotation

Starring Herm Schneider

White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.

by vince_ on Apr 8, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

my first thought upon reading that

the sox and royals are chief rivals?

I know the same division crap but I’ve always had a hard time getting nervous/excited about playing the royals. maybe because they’ve always sucked in my life

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Apr 8, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions  

in the context of "other than '07, who gives a shit about the Royals"?

I’m guessing.

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Apr 8, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I paid no mind to them then

or this year when my Sawx/Yankee friends told me they’d be much improved.

by Crede's Crew on Apr 8, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who was the coach that got pummeled by a Sox fan?

Royals coach, right? There you go. It runs deep.

Never forget!

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.

by vince_ on Apr 8, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

dont know if you guys did this before

but posting this picture after the Carrasco swatting flys picture, is GOLD!

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/819786/cactus-league-finale-white-sox-vs#13641879

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 8, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's much more on their end than ours

Don’t know if ppl here agree, but I consider MN and Cleve our two big rivals, followed by Detroit, and then KC a distant 4th.

As far as the AL goes, I’d also keep Oakland in the next group b/c of our misery out West.

by Crede's Crew on Apr 8, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

cleveland will always be our biggest rivals, no matter how many times the twins PUNTO us.

once the twins move into their new stadium and become insignificant, we will hate cleveland again.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/819786/cactus-league-finale-white-sox-vs#13641879

by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 8, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Twinkies out of water

Amen to that.

It was annoying yet perversely gratifying to see the twins win in the ninth last night in part because of Span rainbowing a ball off the concrete in front of home plate for a single.

I’m thinking those antics will be the stuff of twinkie nostalgia next year.

by EddyStanky'sGhost on Apr 8, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Change Your Name Or Declare Yourself A Twin Fan

Logic dead and gone
Its ghost haunts all our slumbers
Where triples have died

by e-gus on Apr 8, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here’s the White Sox’s lineup Wednesday night against Kansas City:

Dewayne Wise cf

Chris Getz 2b

Carlos Quentin lf

Jim Thome dh

Jermaine Dye rf

Paul Konerko 1b

A.J. Pierzynski c

Ramirez ss

Fields 3b

Floyd p

The Royals’ lineup has yet to be posted. With right-hander Zack Greinke on the mound, Dewayne Wise makes his second consecutive start at the leadoff spot.

by larry on Apr 8, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I could do that...Canseco.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 8, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

So chances are we don't see BA get a start out in center until Sunday

when Liriano is the projected starter. Assuming Ozzie sticks to the platoon.

Alexander Hamilton shot Alexander Hamilton...

by Hazymania on Apr 8, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, you are correct sir.

I wonder if Ozzie will throw Anderson out there at the top of the order, or if we’ll see Ramirez, or Fields, or maybe even Getz up there. Should be interesting to see.

Alexander Hamilton shot Alexander Hamilton...

by Hazymania on Apr 8, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cheat, larry, non-"meatheds" - here's your chance

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White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.

by vince_ on Apr 8, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course he did

That’s why I’m in the “meathed” column.

White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.

by vince_ on Apr 8, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

silly Vince

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Apr 8, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

More accurately, "why April games blown by managerial f-up count"!

The conclusion says it just fine, though the entire article should be read… especially by the fans of a team that had to go 163 games to make the playoffs last year.

The entire season matters. Each game counts exactly the same as every other, and working toward the elimination of the “when it counts” fallacy would be a very good next project for those of us in the advocacy wing of the performance analysis house.

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Apr 8, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Sox lost game 163 last year

I would have ranted about that never-ending baltimore game forever

by The Cheat on Apr 8, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not getting anything on Managers fucking up bullpen usage

or maybe I’m not getting the entire article because I don’t subscribe. What I am reading is that each game counts, DUH, and that blowing a series in the beginning of the year is the same as at the end of the year, DUH.

The point to fire Hillman after Game 1 of the season is still preposterous, in my opinion.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 8, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't watch a ton of games out side of the Sox, Yanks and Mets

But Guillen has to be among the best bullpen managers in the game. That’s his strong suit as a manager, and it makes whatever sort of misguided thinking he has regarding leadoff and CF superflous.

by madvillian on Apr 8, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boy, you're not on this site much.

Guillen has his loyalists, especially in handling pitchers (I’m one of them), but he is roundly second-guessed any time anyone effs up in the pen.

(e.g. LOGAN? AW, CRAP! TABASCO? DAMMIT! THORNDOG FOR ANOTHER INNING? WTF OZZIE? You have obviously forgotten last year.)

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really don't care what the peanut gallery on some cow town blog says

IMO Guillen handles the pen excellently. This sort of hindsight guessing you mentioned is worthless.

by madvillian on Apr 8, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Cow town blog"? "Peanut gallery"? I'm talking about SSS.

Who are you talking about?

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would only be brought up by someone from Michigan.

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, Michigan.

Nice economy there. Great state in which to do business.

NOW I get it. Source considered.

Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other 10 percent I’ll probably waste. Wait, I'm married to a Jewish woman. Strike that.

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey, I live in NYC, my rents got a nice place up by the lake in Charlevoix I visit in the summer

Warm nights, sit outside on the porch, drink a beer, and listen to the insects. Shoot some horseshoes with a few hometown friends if the mood strikes.

Get drunk, go on a country booze cruise down dirt roads with the radio turned way up.

Michigan rocks!

by madvillian on Apr 8, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like Central Florida?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 8, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

the night sky is amazing

no light pollution – you suddenly realize there’s as many stars in the sky as grains of sand in the desert.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Apr 8, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

The three nihilist schizophrenics

that hide in the tiny bathroom in the bullpen.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 8, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice marmot.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Apr 8, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of this is due to uneasyness of the bullpen

and some of it is due to drinking (excessively).

On the whole, in hindsight – I think most people on this board think Ozzie handles the bullpen in a reasonable fashion. Even though many won’t be happy at the time due to the above.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 8, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

remember that one time he put out his arms for the fat guy?

that was awesome.

Logic dead and gone
Its ghost haunts all our slumbers
Where triples have died

by e-gus on Apr 8, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

or remember that one time

he labeled his arms left and right so he would know which was which?
that was awesome.

Logic dead and gone
Its ghost haunts all our slumbers
Where triples have died

by e-gus on Apr 8, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

this has nothing to do with

bullpen usage, trey hillman, or small sample sizes, but joe poz has an interview with michael schur.(from FJM)

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Boo hoo

No shortage of gms/mgrs who are convinced “good stuff” will win out. Farnsworth has made a nice living taking advantage. He’s one of the old ones.

For an example of new, see last night’s giveaway by Morrow the Mariner.

by EddyStanky'sGhost on Apr 8, 2009 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

How serious are the Sox about keeping Josh Field’s defense on point? Well, obviously Camp Cora has a travel plan outside Miami, because bench coach Joey Cora has Josh Fields down on the field right now – more than three hours before first pitch – hitting groundball after groundball to him.
Not only is Fields working on fielding, but also his throws to both second and first.
It never stops for Fields, and it shouldn’t.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2009/04/fields_on_the_field_as_camp_co.html

by larry on Apr 8, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Liz?

Colon "toes" nothing. That implies a nimbleness akin to a Nureyev. I beleive he "platypussed" the shit out of that mound.
-winningugly

by blackoutsox on Apr 8, 2009 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

?

?

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Apr 8, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

big fat girl shown on jumbo tv last year?

Colon "toes" nothing. That implies a nimbleness akin to a Nureyev. I beleive he "platypussed" the shit out of that mound.
-winningugly

by blackoutsox on Apr 8, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

fat guy?

general poke at fatness?

Colon "toes" nothing. That implies a nimbleness akin to a Nureyev. I beleive he "platypussed" the shit out of that mound.
-winningugly

by blackoutsox on Apr 8, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

nevermind

Colon "toes" nothing. That implies a nimbleness akin to a Nureyev. I beleive he "platypussed" the shit out of that mound.
-winningugly

by blackoutsox on Apr 8, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

ohhhh...

Colon "toes" nothing. That implies a nimbleness akin to a Nureyev. I beleive he "platypussed" the shit out of that mound.
-winningugly

by blackoutsox on Apr 8, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh my crap.

/sobs in the fetal position

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Apr 8, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

David Wells' daughter?

"A dope trailer is no place for a kitty." - Bubbles (Trailer Park Boys)

by tailgater on Apr 8, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

oops posted in old thread

Tigers are plain nuts to be rushing Porcello in his start tomorrow. Not like they haven’t fucked up any other pitchers…….

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2009 4:19 PM CDT reply actions  

they're 0-2

the season’s over. let the kids play.

by Trooper on Apr 8, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep thats a good reason.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

back to KC

they do have a Billionare owner who milks the team for all they are worth. He really doesn’t care if they do well. He only wants to give the illusion that they will do well to get more tix sales, thus the “rebuilding” with almost no good prospects, and moderate signings of players like Farnsworth.

It all starts from the top.

Colon "toes" nothing. That implies a nimbleness akin to a Nureyev. I beleive he "platypussed" the shit out of that mound.
-winningugly

by blackoutsox on Apr 8, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

whatevs, the NYTs picked them to win the Central

I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog.

by madvillian on Apr 8, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are so mean to the commenters here

luckily I never comment on baseball so I don’t fee slighted in the least.

by Trooper on Apr 8, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow anyone wayching the atl/phi game

3 str8 bases loaded walks

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2009 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

wuz jus gunna say that

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

by which team?

Colon "toes" nothing. That implies a nimbleness akin to a Nureyev. I beleive he "platypussed" the shit out of that mound.
-winningugly

by blackoutsox on Apr 8, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

The National League - just say no.

"A dope trailer is no place for a kitty." - Bubbles (Trailer Park Boys)

by tailgater on Apr 8, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Atl doing the walking

single 10-9 now

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

impressive.

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Apr 8, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

6 runs so far this inning

1 more and there goes javy’s win…

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

with no extra base hits?

Bullpen -— Fail

Tie ball game

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

utley walk

that’s 5 bb and 1 hbp so far this inning.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

there it goes

and another RBI for my precious, precious Utley

Lurking since 2006

by boyonthedock on Apr 8, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Javy's pitching no 2 for Atlanta

those poor, poor fans

"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian

by blackoutsox on Apr 8, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

huh?

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

#2 ???

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

he had a QS

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Apr 8, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm just unsure

if he meant he’s throwing like no. 2 or he’s atlanta’s no. 2 starter. (which he isn’t.)

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

he was slightly above average

as usual

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Apr 8, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

chris getz is like a predator.
Manager Ozzie Guillen defended leadoff batter Dewayne Wise after Wise struck out three times and fouled two bunts.

Right now I’m still behind him,” Guillen said.

Guillen was just as supportive of ace Mark Buehrle, who lasted only five innings Tuesday.

“He’s coming around,” Guillen said. “He was trying to throw like he’s Randy Johnson and forgot who he was.”

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/04/damage-control-for-white-sox.html

by larry on Apr 8, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions  

he's supportive of buehrle?

fuck that. buehrle almost lost the game. he should be demoted to the bullpen if not dfa’d immediately.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

If not sooner.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Apr 8, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Headed out to game

go Sox

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks for the heads up.

be sure to bring home some milk or else the kids won’t be able to have breakfast tomorrow.

by larry on Apr 8, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

really?

its done nothing but suck in the past, to the point I didnt buy in to it all this year.

Logic dead and gone
Its ghost haunts all our slumbers
Where triples have died

by e-gus on Apr 8, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's a lot better this year. Not perfect by any means, but way, way better

They dumped silverlight and went to Flash (thank god). Also, the two times I had to call their support team I was impressed.

Compared to last year where they had what seemed like high school dropouts reading scripts, I’ve been impressed.

by madvillian on Apr 8, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's been a few years since I used it

The quality is fantastic on my connection and the picture in picture stuff is pretty cool, too.

White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.

by vince_ on Apr 8, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

lucky you.

getting it to work and everything.

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Apr 8, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't have any problems

Even works in Chrome, which surprised me. It’s my only white sox viewing option, so it better work.

White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.

by vince_ on Apr 8, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who cares about mac hippies

White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.

by vince_ on Apr 8, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

dick

as far as colin’s statement, i’ve yet to have any issues. one intel, one ppc.

i’m so glad of the switch, now i don’t have to get hacktastic to get it going well on the ppc machine.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

new post

here

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Apr 8, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions  

nice self-promotion

" Cheat I would like to become a managing editor. Email me what I need to do."-by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT

" You've got step one down. Sucking a lot of dick."- by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM PDT

by U-God on Apr 8, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

normally i don't post those until after the game has started.

it’s less self-promotion and more like the kid with brain damage keeping his limbs intact after an encounter with some left handed scissors.

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Apr 8, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

c'mon man

you know i was just fuckin with ya

" Cheat I would like to become a managing editor. Email me what I need to do."-by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT

" You've got step one down. Sucking a lot of dick."- by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM PDT

by U-God on Apr 8, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't be arsed reading all the posts so someone has probably said this already about this Farnsworth thing

in my view it was all Quentins fault, the bat against Farnsworth was hopeless, trying to twat every ball into the middle of next week. But then the Royals thought, if it’s that easy to get him out, we’ll leave him in. These decisions are highly fluid at game time, and we are not all as clever as some, so in my view Quentin with his reputation and his awful at bat led to Farnsworth pitching at Thome.

I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder.

by hoodlight on Apr 8, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions  

so Q! did bad on purpose?

" Cheat I would like to become a managing editor. Email me what I need to do."-by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT

" You've got step one down. Sucking a lot of dick."- by The Cheat on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM PDT

by U-God on Apr 8, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

not on purpose

but he would have fouled a few off, taken a walk, had a solid ground out, then i think Farnswoth would have been out. It’s easy for me to sat that Quentins at bat was a pile of shit, but their manager is saying ‘look my new setup man just blew away him, and he’s good’, that’s why he stayed in.
Quentin helped us even when he was shit, that’s my take on it!

I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder.

by hoodlight on Apr 8, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

phil rogers making sense?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-08-rogers-white-sox-chicago-apr08,0,6110080.column

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 9, 2009 6:13 PM CDT reply actions  

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