Brushing Up On "Brushing Up On Zack Greinke"
Allow myself to quote...myself:
Greinke is one of those [guys with a big fastball]...with a fastball that he comfortably throws early in the count around 93-94. Against RHB, he does fairly well. It looks like "good" is less than a .250 ISO, but that's not exhaustive or anything, it's what I've noticed from doing like 15 of these or whatever the number is. Anyway, it's an above average pitch that he has plus command of. He misses the zone just 32% of the time, well below the 36% average. In addition, with two strikes, he ramps it up to 95-96 and can get whiffs at about twice his average rate for all counts. Being able to add and subtract, get key misses and throw strikes is about all you're looking for when it comes to the fastball.
The curve is rarely used, but he likes to throw it early in the count, probably after fastballs to get a quick strike. He has solid control, particularly for a curve. It isn't a swing-and-miss pitch, but he throws it rarely enough and early enough in the count that he can get poor contact. It is definitely not an out pitch, as he prefers the slider in 1-2, 0-2 counts, as well as the aforementioned fastball, elevated preferably. The curve has a ton of horizontal movement, which makes me guess it's a bit slurvy rather than a true curve. It also indicates that he throws from a lower arm slot, so lefties should have an easier time seeing the fastball. The ISO backs this up (.317) and the BP card indicates he has a bigger split than average.
The slider is tough to get a grip on, as he gets more whiffs from lefties than righties, though when he's ahead, it's an effective out pitch for either. He's not a huge strikeout pitcher, but the slider-fastball combo is about as good as Danks' curve-change routine, as they both get in the vicinity of 20% K/PA. Even when he's not getting strike outs, he's still able to get effective results because his offspeed pitches all have relatively low ISO scores. He may not yet (or perhaps ever) be an ace, but he's a very solid #2 along the lines of Johnny Danks.
AJ, Swish and Thome will be key tonight, as how they do against the slider and, certainly, the change will be important. Again, like Danks, he goes away with the change up once ahead in the count and uses it to get those reaching, defensive swings that lead to double plays all the time for Johnny. Danks' is better, but Greinke's is certainly effective and his slider is apparently quite the wipeout against lefties.
Swish has since departed, but lefties will remain key to the effort. The replacement of his bat with Wise's has already been discussed ad nauseam, but the suckfest is not likely to get any better despite the platoon advantage. This will be a pretty big test for Chris Getz as well, but one he's more likely to pass. Greinke isn't homer proof, but without baserunners, the effort may well come up short. Since Wise isn't likely to do it and I'm less than confident in our non-Thome homering abilities in April, this will also be a solid Q!pportunity. Even if the going is rough, it's not like it'll be unexpected. As good as he was in '08, Greinke may well be even better this year. As MC Chris would say, he's one year older, one year wiser. Joe Poz certainly sees the possibilities. Fine tuning his breakout could be the thing that takes Greinke from very good to elite.
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watch for the changeup, at least that's what I took from the Poz piece
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by The Cheat on Apr 8, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nicely done for a part time contributor !
And much more readable than last year’s bukkakes or whatever you called them.
With a picture too!
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by Chiburb on Apr 8, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Going to tonights game, hope that our righties and Getz make me proud.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Apr 8, 2009 5:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Go Sox woohoo!
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 8, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woohoo indeed!
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Apr 8, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look for BobbySouthSide in 116 or the loo.
(Loo for Hoodie. )
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by Chiburb on Apr 8, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ill be at 111
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Apr 8, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They almost destroyed this kid bringing him up too soon
I’m glad for him that he bounced back
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 8, 2009 5:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Although if he had washed out
I’m sure we would have seen him enter the Don Cooper career clinic/land of lost toys.
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Apr 8, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
He definitely would’ve been a perfect reclamation project for the good doctor
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 8, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read the Poz article
He was probably too immature to handle the big leagues, but he’s always been ready physically.
I don’t think the Royals could have/should have done anything different. In fact, if they had left him linger in the minors, the situation might have gotten worse or gone undiagnosed
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by The Cheat on Apr 8, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or they'd have turned him into a hitter.
The lack of which he was fighting.
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by Chiburb on Apr 8, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gives me a thought: can you imagine him in the NL?
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Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 8, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's tough when the organization has been bad so long
Hard to lay the blame on Greinke. Danks, eg, was able to come up without the massive expectations. Greinke was supposed to be the Wunderkind from the get go, that’s a lot of pressure on someone that young. I admire him for gutting it out and overcoming that horrible start of his career.
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 8, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He confirmed. Not sure that's admirable.
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by Chiburb on Apr 8, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conformed. Not confirmed.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Apr 8, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just don't let it happen again ok?
First night game, and it’s televised on WGN down here – and the wife is out of the house until 10pm EST. Time to sit back and hunker down and unseal the bourbon boys woohoo
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 8, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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