The White Sox Need a LOOGY
With Jose Contreras now in Charlotte and lefty Clayton Richard to be inserted into the rotation, Ozzie Guillen will be left with a bullpen that has only a single lefty, Matt Thornton, for him to play match-ups. But with Jose’s demotion and plenty of room on the 40 man roster, it is a near certainty that it will be a lefty who is called up from the farm to give Ozzie the second lefty he pines for. Let’s take a quick look at the candidates:
Jimmy Gobble: White Sox fans are familiar with the long-time Royal, most notably for his ability to get Paul Konerko out of any slump. Of course, using Gobble against any righty is an unforgivable offense by a manager. Gobble is the epitome of a LOOGY. After he dropped his arm slot in 2007, he became more effective against lefties but righties began to tee off of him. The Knights have been using Gobble almost exclusively for at least one inning in each of his appearances so his 2009 numbers are somewhat alarming at first glance; however, he is more than holding his own against lefties. He's held them to 1 hit and 1 walk in 19 plate appearances and has struck out 9 of them. He's also inducing rather weak contact, as well. The leading candidate.
Wes Whisler: This guy just doesn’t strike enough people out. While his ERA is often very nice – 3.81 last year and 2.12 so far this year – his peripherals scream “not a major leaguer.” He’s averaged about 4.5 K/9 in the upper minors and that simply won’t do. While he does perform better against lefties, he hasn't shut them down like a Gobble can. Also has little experience pitching in relief. No chance.
Aaron Poreda: You can read all about what Poreda has been doing in my weekly minor league updates or in the minor league fanshot that is updated daily. While Poreda is certainly the best pitcher of the bunch - and can be absolutely vicious on lefties - the White Sox are intent on making Poreda a starter and having him work on his secondary offerings. A call-up to the major league bullpen would be diametrically opposed to this goal. No chance.
[edit 1:24 pm: The White Sox make this moot by purchasing Gobble's contract from Charlotte.]
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radinsky
that guy looked roided up.
wunsch me.
I reMarte that remark.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on May 11, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This discussion is giving me a Magrane.
by The Actual El Guapo on May 11, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a Boonedoggle.
But what are you doing to do? His Sanders tied.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
His Sanders tied.
ftw.
I like to spell my racial slurs correctly. Otherwise, I may come across as ignorant.
by homesickalien on May 11, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Me thinks larry has insider information
me also thinks that this Gobbler isn’t going to be a good idea.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
while i could have asked my knights source if gobble was still in rochester
this one is a no brainer. these four are literally the only four lefties who are not currently injured in the white sox upper minors. and only one is arguably a major league pitcher.
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if gobble is used exclusively as a LOOGY, he can be effective in that role.
problem is that KC didn’t do that. and ozzie guillen, while he loves matchups, seems to have an odd need to have his lefty specialists face righties at a not infrequent rate (see, e.g., logan, boone). this is stupid.
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Well, when looking at the numbers you presented above
it is a no brainer that this guy gets his nuts handed to him against RH pitching. Hopefully Ozzie has enough brains to see that.
I am waiting for Gobble mania to take over like with what happened with Shingo. Instead of the gong we’ll hear just a bunch of wild turkeys for 2 minutes blaring out of the loudspeakers.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 11, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
RH hitting...jhc!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 11, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
we saw ozzie continue to trot logan out against righties for two seasons.
methinks he doesn’t. if the white sox want a pitcher who can get both sides out adequately, they shouldn’t be bringing in gobble. and if they use him in such a manner, they’re setting him up for failure. hawk says it all the time but it’s true: know what your players can’t do. the team has enough guys in the pen to protect gobble from what he does poorly.
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Ozzie is noted for his, um, convictions
(some might say stubbornness). I gotta go with the lar-bear on this one.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
I agree with what larry is saying...lets just hope Ozzie finally realizes this too.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 11, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
alright educate me
boone logan faced lefties 47% of the time. that is an astronomically high rate.
He should have faced them 100% of the time.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
look at the percentage a mike myers faced in his loogy heyday.
then reassess what you think astronomical is.
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47% is astronomical for a pitcher
in general and high even by loogy standards. myers’ career 52% must be the highest of all time.
read better.
i said in his heyday. try 2005 or something.
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when its around 68%?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on May 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
although i do enjoy the .700 swing in OPS
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on May 11, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
and it illustrates a proper usage.
myers got beat around by righties. but he was excellent against lefties. so his team decided to keep him on the roster for that purpose and did not try to get cute with his usage. a team should either decide to do that or decide that a guy who is that much of a specialist isn’t worth it and get someone else to take the roster spot. continually throwing a guy like logan or gobble out there into situations where the odds are stacked against them – and you absolutely know it – is silly. it’s like, say, putting a player like rob mackowiak in centerfield and then whining about how mackowiak sucks there. blame the dope who puts the player in that situation, not the player.
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damn larry, what's your fucking problem with ozzie
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 11, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
damn larry, what's your fucking problem with ozzie
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 11, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
i imagine that isn't hard to check.
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How many lefties are generally in any lineup,or are PH's,
in terms of %?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
remember that shot
mcgwire hit off ken vining? that was a good matchup.
Jimmy Gobble?
You gotta be kidding me!? This guy is terrible. After an apperance or two- you will be wishing we still had Boone Logan!
Kenwo4life=ratings
Besides Blow Up Dolls,
I can’t think of a better slump buster than Carl Pavano.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
The White Sox need alot of shit right now
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
We could certainly use some GWABABs.
(Guys Who Are Better At Baseball)
by The Actual El Guapo on May 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
isn't the last s a little redundant?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on May 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
If this is going to degenerate into an RsBI vs RBIs discussion, I will have no choice but to enlist the services of the site grammaraticianist.
WTGTD, you still here?
by The Actual El Guapo on May 11, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
the "are" implies that the subject must be plural "guys"
RBI – run batted in is still proper grammer, so the RBIs does make some sense.
and now i am done because this is petty and stupid
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on May 11, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Ryan Howard is afraid of the ball
Hawk; "what would you do in that situation"
"id hit him" ;Stone
by Grinder Rule #42 on May 11, 2009 3:24 PM CDT reply actions
Sox at Cle: getz4, lilli8, q7, jd9, thome, pk3, aj2, fields5, alexei6.
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Glad to see Che back in the 9-hole. His numbers there (small sample as it may be) are worlds better than any other spot he's batted so far. Not sure why Ozzie ever moved him from there!
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by homesickalien on May 11, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
lillibridge in the two hole in front of Q....g*dd*mmit!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 11, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
who would you rather have in the two spot? lillibridge has hit the ball hard lately but he has nothing to show for it so people like to blame the problems on him. getz has hit one hard ball in the last 4 games and it was a double on thursday. everything else is a flare out to left or ground out to second. start being positive for all of our players. its a long season and we are not in a bad situation right now. thome will come around and so will everyone else.
by kizzomynizzo on May 11, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
lillibridge has hit flyballs 40% of the time.
he is not a power hitter. he needs to stop that. now.
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And that is when he is not
striking out 25% of the time . . . talk about no chance.
This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.
He almost sorta showed a bunt yesterday! That was promising!
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by homesickalien on May 11, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure Lilli will ever come around.
I like Fields after Getz and before Q!.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 11, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
i like him no 8
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
johnny condition guy still hurt, start pushed to wednesday.
richard now going tuesday.
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congrats and I wouldn't assume anything
with this economy, lost of people are getting drunk during the day . . . so, why not Wednesday?
This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.
your assumption correct: work is a top priority
delay lunch and catch an hour of the game
Lupe, release the balloons!
I was at the Thurs-Sun games this weekend.
I have to say, I’m not finding much joy with this team so far. Yet, we’re, what, three out? With all our issues, my biggest concern is that neither Konerko or Thome will slug enough to keep us in the race—- I’m not sure that should be my biggest concern, but somehow it is right now.
I think our Cuban contigent has let us down.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 11, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, what did you expect from communism?
This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.
What do people think of Alexei at short so far?
I think he has been quite acceptable. For the larrys of the world, what are the fielding metrics telling us so far? IF we don’t lose too much defensively at short, I really think we’ve got to think about Beckham being up here and sending Ramirez to center. I give it three more weeks.
he's been rated as about average.
but it’s way early to be putting much stock in those.
and if ramirez was actually hitting, that might be a good idea. however, it seems like the more likely plan at this point if you’re a beckham afficiondado is make ramirez the supersub/bench him/demote him and bring up beckham to replace him and let someone who is actually hitting the ball on occasion play center.
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Perhaps.
And, just to clarify one more time…..I have no special affinity for Beckham….yet. I want the team to win. I want to give ourselves the best chance for that to happen.
you're moving a player to accomodate a guy who was drafted less than a year ago.
you have a special affinity for said player.
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It's like this, lar....
if the Boston Strangler had Beckham’s profile I’d want him in the Majors too.
Anecdotally
he appears much better going to his glove side…. He seems to struggle on balls to his right.
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Then leave him at SS
and let Becks develop for a few months – August, at least.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

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