White Sox FIP Through 5/13
by colintj on May 14, 2009 2:08 PM CDT
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Gavin is actually pitching alright outside of his walk issues. He's given up a lot more runs than expected thanks to a very high BABIP. He looks more or less the same, but the luck is working out against him rather than with him this year. Bartolo's contact rate suggests he'll probably see that K rate fall, though he may also be able to cut his walk rate in conjunction. Danks and Buehrle are more or less where we'd expect them to be. Contreras' obviously deserved his trip to Charlotte, as his peripherals are really ugly, though it's worth noting he was dealing with some bad luck of his own. Was he really pitching so badly as to give up 50+ points in BABIP over his career line? Perhaps with as unhomer friendly as the Cell has been in the early going just means more XBH instead of HR that wouldn't count against his BABIP. Either way, he needs to work on spotting his pitches before he comes back. At least he's set the bar very low for Clayton.
As a unit, Sox starters are benefiting from a lack of HR ceded, as it's the one thing keeping the starter FIP from being below average. To this point, they're 7th in GB/FB ratio while possessing an average HR/FB rate (it's theorized that this number will always be in the near vicinity of 10%). Additionally, they've got an elevated BABIP which should come down as things normalize over the course of the season. The straits are not so dire and the pitching depth hasn't really changed with Contreras now in Charlotte. Let's check the 'pen.
Outside of Dotel's walk issues, the important parts of the bullpen have performed beyond expectations and will probably regress somewhat. Either way, the peripherals are excellent. The Sox are third in GB/FB and consequently third overall in FIP, again thanks to homer stinginess. The good half of the pen is going to lock games down for the most part. The story for Sox pitching in general has been lots of groundballs and a smidge too many walks. Hopefully Coop Magic will push those rates in the right direction as the season progresses.
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Gavin is actually pitching alright outside of his walk issues. He’s given up a lot more runs than expected thanks to a very high BABIP. He looks more or less the same, but the luck is working out against him rather than with him this year.
Jerry breathes a sigh of relief…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
"outside of his walk issues"
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln…
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Yeah that is a pretty big "outside"
1.88 Whip. Yikes.
I will be a lot happier with BA back in CF. They simply need the best possible defensive lineup. The pitchers have been let down a great deal.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
We've been saying that since '06.
They don’t listen.
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
Yeah? THAT much, c? Quit being an apologist. Both Floyd and Danks blow comparted to last year.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
SB's allowed
buherle 0
floyd 7
touchdown floyd!
And the extra point!
I like to spell my racial slurs correctly. Otherwise, I may come across as ignorant.
by homesickalien on May 14, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
shouldn't we be okay/satisfied with a 4.55 FIP??
how does this compare with the AL Central and the AL in general?
and if we should be satisfied with that starter FIP (and hopefully it will improve), then can’t the less than average first month and a half for the team be more attributable to offensive rather than pitching struggles?
FIRE GREG WALKER
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 14, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
fields needs to be waterboarded
until he confesses his suckage.
Epic Hackers: Individual Seasons
Here is the list of men in MLB history who have drawn 10 walks or fewer in a season while striking out 80 or more times:
Player Year PA BB SO BB/SO BB/PA
Kenny Williams 1987 414 10 83 .120 .024
Chris Truby 2002 404 10 98 .102 .025
Miguel Olivo 2005 281 8 80 .100 .028
Miguel Olivo 2006 452 9 103 .087 .020
Ivan Rodriguez 2007 515 9 96 .094 .017
Miguel Olivo 2008 317 7 82 .085 .022
…Williams is better known as the general manager of the Chicago White Sox. He hit .218/.269/.339 over parts of six seasons.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/plate-discipline-its-that-thing-you-dont-have/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Kenny hearts Che, Fields, and Viciedo.
OBP THIS!
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Kenny and Ozzie
Ozzie in his prime- 1991, all-star at 27, 11 walks in 555 plate appearances.
White Sox on pace to be shut out 32 times this year. woo!
Hey, you don't walk off the Palo Alto campus
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on May 14, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
EEEEEEBBBBBBB. I guess I should have read your comment before posting my own.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
Correct, you drive off in a mercedes...
fucking snobby rich bastards.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
Was this posted already?
In baseball, a curveball creates a physical effect and a perceptual puzzle. The physical effect (the curve) arises because the ball’s rotation leads to a deflection in the ball’s path. The perceptual puzzle arises because the deflection is actually gradual but is often perceived as an abrupt change in direction (the break). Our illusions suggest that the perceived "break" may be caused by the transition from the central visual system to the peripheral visual system. Like a curveball, the spinning disks in the illusions appear to abruptly change direction when an observer switches from foveal to peripheral viewing.
sign Walker to a multiyear extension.
I don't think so, but this has been an age-old conundrum.
Ballplayers talk about it not being an optical illusion, physicists maintain it is IMPOSSIBLE to throw a ball in that short of a distance that “breaks”.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
I think there needs to be a VELOCITY component to your statement (because physicists use velocity, suck it SoB ;)
physicists maintain it is IMPOSSIBLE to throw a ball in that short of a distance at the veolcity that major league pitchers throw that "breaks".
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
Awesome link, thecip
that’s a lot of fun!
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
mind-blowing
"I am amazed we’re as high as 17th in the baserunning metric, and can’t even imagine what Atlanta must be doing to be graded that much worse — seriously, do they just swing then roam randomly around the infield oblivious of the concept of the "base"?." -TAEG
also, this doesn't seem to be the most appropriate illustration of a baseball's potential optical illusion since a baseball isn't shaded in the way the ball presented is shaded
but that doesn’t make it any less interesting.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
makes me think of this one proffessor we have here
he’s supposed to be an expert on baseball physics. next time he gives a speech i’ll go and make like a fanpost of it
" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT
link to all his stuff
http://webusers.npl.illinois.edu/~a-nathan/pob/
" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT
Somebody did something similar about the impossible rising fastball once
Could it have been your prof?
I don’t think this is it, but it gets the idea across and it comes below an article by Jim Kaat, so it’s good enough for the end of the day.
you dumb bastard
it’s a schooner, not a sailboat
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on May 14, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
for the mofo's jumping ship and calling for jim thome's head
didn’t anybody notice that KC has lost 5 in a row? i thought KC won the division already…
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 14, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions
You are thinking of Peter Gammons.
Most thought the Injuns or Twinks would be the class of the division, IIRC. I may be wrong, but I rthink few liked the Tiggers because their pitching was (is) suspect.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
No, but the Twins did win the '09 World Series.
With a Crede walk-off homer in game 7, nonetheless.
I went to one of those obedience places once... it was all going well until they spilled hot candle wax on my private parts.
by homesickalien on May 14, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
and the last two games was 17 runs to
the lowest scoring team in the AL…
but dont worry, tonite is ladies nite at the K, and Greinke is pitching friday nite
Hawk; "what would you do in that situation"
"id hit him" ;Stone
by Grinder Rule #42 on May 14, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha, you mongrels are worrying about the Royals?
The Twins have won 3 in a row, repent your sins now.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 14, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Did your party start yet? Soon?
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
mlb network showing O's vs KC tonight
I thought for sure it would be Grienke
White Sox on pace to be shut out 32 times this year. woo!
Ten Starting Pitchers Who Deserve Better ERAs
4. Jose Contreras CHA — 29.7 IP, 8.19 ERA, 5.73 xFIP, 2.46 E-xF, 4.60 tERA
The big change for Contreras over past seasons is that he’s walking more batters, but there’s really no reason his ERA should be that high. He’s bound to start stranding more than 52% of the runners he puts on base, especially against AAA competition.
…
7. Gavin C Floyd CHA — 39.3 IP, 7.32 ERA, 5.07 xFIP, 2.25 E-xF, 6.19 tERA
tERA doesn’t like Floyd as much as xFIP, and neither one thinks too highly of him so far. That’s what a 1.5 K/BB ratio will do for you. However, he’s not a 7.00 ERA pitcher, since he’s actually been pretty stingy with the long ball so far this year.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/5/14/875147/ten-starting-pitchers-who-deserve
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I think they got what they deserve
fun fact: neither of these guys has thrown a single first pitch strike this season.
White Sox on pace to be shut out 32 times this year. woo!
Per fangraphs, Gobble's BABIP is 1.031.
He also apparently has the actual ability to “give it 110%”.
by The Actual El Guapo on May 14, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions
Whodathunk Colin would provide optimism?
I was picturing his Roomie having to wade through empty bourbon bottles to get to his desk to study.
Thx kid! Better than a buhkkahke (for the SSSer with too many H’s)
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
Oh Joy! You remembered me!
Now if you could just remember where you put your glasses…OPOS.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
Ozzie explains what he wants from the players we pick on the draft
“I need a baseball player,” said Guillen without hesitation. "You hear this stuff about, ‘Oh, he’s a good athlete.’ That doesn’t mean anything. I think baseball needs players.
“Can they play the game and do they have baseball instincts? Can they pitch? There are so many things. There’s stuff about, ‘This guy played football and is going to be a first-round pick from Notre Dame.’ I don’t care about that.”
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Speaking of Moneyball...
Whatever became of that fat catcher with boobies?
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
Nothing much. Jeremy Bitch-tits Brown announced retirement last year.
From Wiki:
Brown was designated for assignment by the Athletics on May 23, 20071 and subsequently outrighted to the minors.2 At the time of his demotion, Brown had a career .267 average, and his performance had steadily declined as he’d risen in the Oakland farm system.
On February 15, 2008, Brown announced his retirement. 3 Brown was the team’s third ranked catcher behind Kurt Suzuki and Rob Bowen and was unlikely to make the major league roster.4
by homesickalien on May 14, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Sox sign Carlos Qunetin
Annual Garage Sale
For those memorabilia collector’s out there, Saturday is our annual Family Field Day and Garage Sale at U.S. Cellular Field. The Family Field Day portion of the day is sold out but the Garage Sale is open to the public and features some pretty cool stuff.
Fans will find jerseys from guys like Jim Thome and Ken Griffey Jr., bats from Carlos Qunetin and Jermaine Dye, helmets and even A.J.‘s used catcher’s gear. There are programs, yearbooks and media guides, World Series embossed baseballs and game-used balls from series with the Cubs, Yankees and Red Sox, among others.
All proceeds benefit Chicago White Sox Charities.
The Garage Sale is open from 9-2 p.m. in the Patio. Fan should enter at Gate 2.
http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/05/garage_sale_info.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
always next year
I grew up in total ignorance, poverty and bigotry, and this has been a burden for me throughout my life. There is still some poison that won't go away, as much as I try to drive it out
Spoken like a true Cub fan!
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
Milwall always gets the gasface for its role in Among the Thugs
I’m sure there’s far, far worse but the way Buford lays it on those guys just seemed to exude a special awfulness.
Floyd's walks..
Everything starts and ends there. Same with Contreras.. I’m curious about Floyd’s first pitch stats – how many went for balls vs strikes? Falling behind in the count and throwing as many pitches as he undoubtedly has based on his WHIP and BB/9 portends a rough year. On the other hand, if Floyd can find a way to get ahead in the count early he can right that ship.
I haven’t been able to catch too many games with GF pitching. Is he screwing around on his first pitch approaches? Or could this be a sign that he’s tipping pitches and guys are laying off?
Contreras seems to have no confidence in his forkball and hasn’t thrown it much. I think if he did, he’d get much different results. He’s also looked tired lately which isn’t surprising when you’re as old as Minnie Minoso…
He doesn't look different to me
he’s done exactly this before. his mechanics have been simplified as far as they can, but he still has timing issues between his arm and the rest of his body when it comes to spotting the fastball. he breaks his hands rather late so if he’s slow or fast in accelerating his arm through the zone, it throws off the spot (if you see him losing it high and wide, then he’s opening too soon and his arm’s not ready to throw when the rest of him is). it’s more of an issue because he has to do it more quickly thanks to the late hand break. that’s my working theory anyway.
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gooood stuff Colin
Bullpen is keeping this team intact.
minor nitpick, Clayton’s stats are not shown in your sweet tables
K/9: 5.40
BB/9: 3.60
K/BB: 1.50
HR/9: 0.90
AVG: .340
WHIP: 1.85
BABIP: .378
LOB%: 73.1 %
FIP: 4.53
Lupe, release the balloons!
yeah i didn't because he's been out of the pen and now he's starting
he hasn’t really been an important part of the pen and the stats he racks up aren’t all that predictive or telling, since he’ll lose velo and some Ks and all the fun stuff that comes with starting.
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i had suspicion that was the case when i started comparing the numbers to other bullpen guys
Lupe, release the balloons!
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