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White Sox FIP Through 5/13

all stats yanked from fangraphs

Gavin is actually pitching alright outside of his walk issues. He's given up a lot more runs than expected thanks to a very high BABIP. He looks more or less the same, but the luck is working out against him rather than with him this year. Bartolo's contact rate suggests he'll probably see that K rate fall, though he may also be able to cut his walk rate in conjunction. Danks and Buehrle are more or less where we'd expect them to be. Contreras' obviously deserved his trip to Charlotte, as his peripherals are really ugly, though it's worth noting he was dealing with some bad luck of his own. Was he really pitching so badly as to give up 50+ points in BABIP over his career line? Perhaps with as unhomer friendly as the Cell has been in the early going just means more XBH instead of HR that wouldn't count against his BABIP. Either way, he needs to work on spotting his pitches before he comes back. At least he's set the bar very low for Clayton.

As a unit, Sox starters are benefiting from a lack of HR ceded, as it's the one thing keeping the starter FIP from being below average. To this point, they're 7th in GB/FB ratio while possessing an average HR/FB rate (it's theorized that this number will always be in the near vicinity of 10%). Additionally, they've got an elevated BABIP which should come down as things normalize over the course of the season. The straits are not so dire and the pitching depth hasn't really changed with Contreras now in Charlotte. Let's check the 'pen.

Outside of Dotel's walk issues, the important parts of the bullpen have performed beyond expectations and will probably regress somewhat. Either way, the peripherals are excellent. The Sox are third in GB/FB and consequently third overall in FIP, again thanks to homer stinginess. The good half of the pen is going to lock games down for the most part. The story for Sox pitching in general has been lots of groundballs and a smidge too many walks. Hopefully Coop Magic will push those rates in the right direction as the season progresses.

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Gavin is actually pitching alright outside of his walk issues. He’s given up a lot more runs than expected thanks to a very high BABIP. He looks more or less the same, but the luck is working out against him rather than with him this year.

Jerry breathes a sigh of relief…

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 14, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"outside of his walk issues"

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln…

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on May 14, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that is a pretty big "outside"

1.88 Whip. Yikes.

I will be a lot happier with BA back in CF. They simply need the best possible defensive lineup. The pitchers have been let down a great deal.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on May 14, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We've been saying that since '06.

They don’t listen.

Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...

by Chiburb on May 14, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SB's allowed

buherle 0
floyd 7

touchdown floyd!

by Hatchetm on May 14, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And the extra point!

I like to spell my racial slurs correctly. Otherwise, I may come across as ignorant.

by homesickalien on May 14, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

shouldn't we be okay/satisfied with a 4.55 FIP??

how does this compare with the AL Central and the AL in general?

and if we should be satisfied with that starter FIP (and hopefully it will improve), then can’t the less than average first month and a half for the team be more attributable to offensive rather than pitching struggles?

FIRE GREG WALKER

Always bet on black!

by onlysoxfaninboston on May 14, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

fields needs to be waterboarded

until he confesses his suckage.

by Hatchetm on May 14, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Epic Hackers: Individual Seasons
Here is the list of men in MLB history who have drawn 10 walks or fewer in a season while striking out 80 or more times:
Player	        Year	PA	BB	SO	BB/SO	BB/PA
Kenny Williams 1987 414 10 83 .120 .024
Chris Truby 2002 404 10 98 .102 .025
Miguel Olivo 2005 281 8 80 .100 .028
Miguel Olivo 2006 452 9 103 .087 .020
Ivan Rodriguez 2007 515 9 96 .094 .017
Miguel Olivo 2008 317 7 82 .085 .022

…Williams is better known as the general manager of the Chicago White Sox. He hit .218/.269/.339 over parts of six seasons.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/plate-discipline-its-that-thing-you-dont-have/

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 14, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kenny hearts Che, Fields, and Viciedo.

OBP THIS!

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on May 14, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kenny and Ozzie

Ozzie in his prime- 1991, all-star at 27, 11 walks in 555 plate appearances.

White Sox on pace to be shut out 32 times this year. woo!

by e-gus on May 14, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, you don't walk off the Palo Alto campus

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on May 14, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are Town car'ed off.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on May 14, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

EEEEEEBBBBBBB. I guess I should have read your comment before posting my own.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on May 14, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice

Always bet on black!

by onlysoxfaninboston on May 14, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct, you drive off in a mercedes...

fucking snobby rich bastards.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on May 14, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was this posted already?
In baseball, a curveball creates a physical effect and a perceptual puzzle. The physical effect (the curve) arises because the ball’s rotation leads to a deflection in the ball’s path. The perceptual puzzle arises because the deflection is actually gradual but is often perceived as an abrupt change in direction (the break). Our illusions suggest that the perceived "break" may be caused by the transition from the central visual system to the peripheral visual system. Like a curveball, the spinning disks in the illusions appear to abruptly change direction when an observer switches from foveal to peripheral viewing.

link

sign Walker to a multiyear extension.

by thecip on May 14, 2009 3:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so, but this has been an age-old conundrum.

Ballplayers talk about it not being an optical illusion, physicists maintain it is IMPOSSIBLE to throw a ball in that short of a distance that “breaks”.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on May 14, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there needs to be a VELOCITY component to your statement (because physicists use velocity, suck it SoB ;)

physicists maintain it is IMPOSSIBLE to throw a ball in that short of a distance at the veolcity that major league pitchers throw that "breaks".

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on May 14, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome link, thecip

that’s a lot of fun!

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on May 14, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

mind-blowing

"I am amazed we’re as high as 17th in the baserunning metric, and can’t even imagine what Atlanta must be doing to be graded that much worse — seriously, do they just swing then roam randomly around the infield oblivious of the concept of the "base"?." -TAEG

by U-God on May 14, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

makes me think of this one proffessor we have here

he’s supposed to be an expert on baseball physics. next time he gives a speech i’ll go and make like a fanpost of it

" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT

by U-God on May 14, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

link to all his stuff

http://webusers.npl.illinois.edu/~a-nathan/pob/

" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT

by U-God on May 14, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Somebody did something similar about the impossible rising fastball once

Could it have been your prof?

I don’t think this is it, but it gets the idea across and it comes below an article by Jim Kaat, so it’s good enough for the end of the day.

by Sox-35th on May 14, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you dumb bastard

it’s a schooner, not a sailboat

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on May 14, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

for the mofo's jumping ship and calling for jim thome's head

didn’t anybody notice that KC has lost 5 in a row? i thought KC won the division already…

Always bet on black!

by onlysoxfaninboston on May 14, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You are thinking of Peter Gammons.

Most thought the Injuns or Twinks would be the class of the division, IIRC. I may be wrong, but I rthink few liked the Tiggers because their pitching was (is) suspect.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on May 14, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, but the Twins did win the '09 World Series.

With a Crede walk-off homer in game 7, nonetheless.

I went to one of those obedience places once... it was all going well until they spilled hot candle wax on my private parts.

by homesickalien on May 14, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the last two games was 17 runs to

the lowest scoring team in the AL…

but dont worry, tonite is ladies nite at the K, and Greinke is pitching friday nite

Hawk; "what would you do in that situation"

"id hit him" ;Stone

by Grinder Rule #42 on May 14, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, you mongrels are worrying about the Royals?

The Twins have won 3 in a row, repent your sins now.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on May 14, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did your party start yet? Soon?

Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...

by Chiburb on May 14, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

mlb network showing O's vs KC tonight

I thought for sure it would be Grienke

White Sox on pace to be shut out 32 times this year. woo!

by e-gus on May 14, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ten Starting Pitchers Who Deserve Better ERAs
4. Jose Contreras CHA — 29.7 IP, 8.19 ERA, 5.73 xFIP, 2.46 E-xF, 4.60 tERA
      The big change for Contreras over past seasons is that he’s walking more batters, but there’s really no reason his ERA should be that high. He’s bound to start stranding more than 52% of the runners he puts on base, especially against AAA competition.

7. Gavin C Floyd CHA — 39.3 IP, 7.32 ERA, 5.07 xFIP, 2.25 E-xF, 6.19 tERA
      tERA doesn’t like Floyd as much as xFIP, and neither one thinks too highly of him so far. That’s what a 1.5 K/BB ratio will do for you. However, he’s not a 7.00 ERA pitcher, since he’s actually been pretty stingy with the long ball so far this year.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/5/14/875147/ten-starting-pitchers-who-deserve

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 14, 2009 3:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think they got what they deserve

fun fact: neither of these guys has thrown a single first pitch strike this season.

White Sox on pace to be shut out 32 times this year. woo!

by e-gus on May 14, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Per fangraphs, Gobble's BABIP is 1.031.

He also apparently has the actual ability to “give it 110%”.

by The Actual El Guapo on May 14, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

awesome.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on May 14, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whodathunk Colin would provide optimism?

I was picturing his Roomie having to wade through empty bourbon bottles to get to his desk to study.
Thx kid! Better than a buhkkahke (for the SSSer with too many H’s)

Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...

by Chiburb on May 14, 2009 5:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh Joy! You remembered me!

Now if you could just remember where you put your glasses…OPOS.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on May 14, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ozzie explains what he wants from the players we pick on the draft
“I need a baseball player,” said Guillen without hesitation. "You hear this stuff about, ‘Oh, he’s a good athlete.’ That doesn’t mean anything. I think baseball needs players.

“Can they play the game and do they have baseball instincts? Can they pitch? There are so many things. There’s stuff about, ‘This guy played football and is going to be a first-round pick from Notre Dame.’ I don’t care about that.”

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090514&content_id=4736886&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 14, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Moneyball...

Whatever became of that fat catcher with boobies?

Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...

by Chiburb on May 14, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing much. Jeremy Bitch-tits Brown announced retirement last year.

From Wiki:

Brown was designated for assignment by the Athletics on May 23, 20071 and subsequently outrighted to the minors.2 At the time of his demotion, Brown had a career .267 average, and his performance had steadily declined as he’d risen in the Oakland farm system.
On February 15, 2008, Brown announced his retirement. 3 Brown was the team’s third ranked catcher behind Kurt Suzuki and Rob Bowen and was unlikely to make the major league roster.4

by homesickalien on May 14, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sox sign Carlos Qunetin
Annual Garage Sale

For those memorabilia collector’s out there, Saturday is our annual Family Field Day and Garage Sale at U.S. Cellular Field. The Family Field Day portion of the day is sold out but the Garage Sale is open to the public and features some pretty cool stuff.

Fans will find jerseys from guys like Jim Thome and Ken Griffey Jr., bats from Carlos Qunetin and Jermaine Dye, helmets and even A.J.‘s used catcher’s gear. There are programs, yearbooks and media guides, World Series embossed baseballs and game-used balls from series with the Cubs, Yankees and Red Sox, among others.

All proceeds benefit Chicago White Sox Charities.

The Garage Sale is open from 9-2 p.m. in the Patio. Fan should enter at Gate 2.

http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/05/garage_sale_info.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 14, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

always next year

I grew up in total ignorance, poverty and bigotry, and this has been a burden for me throughout my life. There is still some poison that won't go away, as much as I try to drive it out

by hoodlight on May 14, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spoken like a true Cub fan!

Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...

by Chiburb on May 14, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Milwall always gets the gasface for its role in Among the Thugs

I’m sure there’s far, far worse but the way Buford lays it on those guys just seemed to exude a special awfulness.

by Sox-35th on May 15, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Floyd's walks..

Everything starts and ends there. Same with Contreras.. I’m curious about Floyd’s first pitch stats – how many went for balls vs strikes? Falling behind in the count and throwing as many pitches as he undoubtedly has based on his WHIP and BB/9 portends a rough year. On the other hand, if Floyd can find a way to get ahead in the count early he can right that ship.

I haven’t been able to catch too many games with GF pitching. Is he screwing around on his first pitch approaches? Or could this be a sign that he’s tipping pitches and guys are laying off?

Contreras seems to have no confidence in his forkball and hasn’t thrown it much. I think if he did, he’d get much different results. He’s also looked tired lately which isn’t surprising when you’re as old as Minnie Minoso…

by echo on May 15, 2009 2:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He doesn't look different to me

he’s done exactly this before. his mechanics have been simplified as far as they can, but he still has timing issues between his arm and the rest of his body when it comes to spotting the fastball. he breaks his hands rather late so if he’s slow or fast in accelerating his arm through the zone, it throws off the spot (if you see him losing it high and wide, then he’s opening too soon and his arm’s not ready to throw when the rest of him is). it’s more of an issue because he has to do it more quickly thanks to the late hand break. that’s my working theory anyway.

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on May 15, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

gooood stuff Colin

Bullpen is keeping this team intact.

minor nitpick, Clayton’s stats are not shown in your sweet tables

K/9: 5.40
BB/9: 3.60
K/BB: 1.50
HR/9: 0.90
AVG: .340
WHIP: 1.85
BABIP: .378
LOB%: 73.1 %
FIP: 4.53

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on May 15, 2009 2:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah i didn't because he's been out of the pen and now he's starting

he hasn’t really been an important part of the pen and the stats he racks up aren’t all that predictive or telling, since he’ll lose velo and some Ks and all the fun stuff that comes with starting.

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on May 15, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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