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Q: Are We Not Prospects? A: We Are White Sox Minor League Update!

Gearing up for the draft

SSS poster The Big Hurt over at Sickels' site, where he will be handling the mock draft for the White Sox:

My mentality would be to draft almost exclusively college players with the first couple of picks and that is because this system, despite great imporvements over the last year or so, still ranks in the lower third (maybe mid-pack at best) among the 30 farm systems and I don't think they're in a position to take unnecessary risks on high schoolers. As for positions to target the main area of need in my opinion is front end pitching. The White Sox are loaded with those mediocre 5th starter/long releiver types, so I will be targeting pitching early. I will also be looking at catchers, the collegiate catching class appears quite weak which may force me down the prep catching route despite that contradicting my earlier point, but that's something I'll have to assess later on.

As for names that I'm focusing on at this early point a few that stand out are left handers Rex Brothers and James Paxton, as well as catcher Tony Sanchez. Paxton's command worries me a little and obviously if this was real world the White Sox would never take him due to him being a Boras client, I however don't have to restrict myself so moronically. Sanchez maybe a little limited on the upside, I don't think he has that elite level power or defense to make him a star, he also doesn't walk quite enough for my liking but he appears to be the top college catcher so that has him on my radar. Brothers doesn't exactly have what you would call a projectable frame, but I don't consider that a red flag, not for a pitcher. From what I've read Brothers doesn't have as much movement on his FB as you might like and his change up needs work also.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/5/13/874337/mod-white-sox

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Boras Clients

What other players that we would be potentially interested in are Boras clients? More specifically which pitchers? Just Paxton and Oliver at this point?

by DirtySox on May 16, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

props for the devo reference

osfib hitting the bong

although dude, i don’t know if you’re like subtlety implying that our prospects are devolving instead of evolving in the sox system much like the devolution of pop music that devo were enthusiastically promoting

Always bet on black!

by onlysoxfaninboston on May 16, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't like pigeonholing it like that...

the Sox system isn’t good enough at any spot to where they can afford to pass on the hypothetical best player available just because they’re weak in pitching. As an example, if a quality SS prospect unexpectedly falls to #23, the Sox shouldn’t hesitate in taking him. That’s an extreme example, especially ‘cause it’s a SS, but I think it’s applicable all across the board.

by CWSKeith on May 16, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

that basically never happens. and, if it does, it usually means that $$$ is the issue. and we know what the sox will do with that in the early rounds.

players are rather fungible once you get to where the sox are drafting.

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by larry on May 16, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

As an outsider I think the draft is fantastic

over here, a good football player comes up, the ones who have the most cash get him

pasta is a type of noodle

by hoodlight on May 16, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

he's most likely 2 years away at earliest, right?

" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT

by U-God on May 17, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

at least.

and unless he gets a third pitch, too, he’s a reliever.

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by larry on May 17, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

he's a classic fastball-curve.

a rarer breed these days. the changeup will determine where he ends up. he seems to have become more consistent with his curve this year.

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by larry on May 17, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

barons rake against west tenn

and, for those of you in the jackson, tn area, i understand admission is free for tomorrow’s game with a church bulletin.

danks 1-5, BB
flowers 1-3, 3 BB
allen 2-4, HR, BB
viciedo 4-5, 2B

nunez 3 IP, 1 hit, 5 K

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_05_16_biraax_wtdaax_1

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by larry on May 16, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I was actually going to head down to Jackson tomorrow on a whim, but enterprise outside of mdw and ohare isn’t open on sunday. So instead ill be heading down on Monday, tickets are still cheap $6 and $9 dollars respectively. HD camcorder will be in tow so ideally mid week ill have some HD video to share via vimeo or blip.

by beautox on May 16, 2009 11:07 PM CDT reply actions  

very cool

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on May 16, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Catchers...

Luke Bailey, Will Myers? Both prep catchers projected for the first round.

Last mock I saw had us taking rex brothers.

Rex Brothers’ stats: http://www.atlanticsun.org/stats/baseball/2009/lip.htm

89 IP ; 41 BB ; 126 SO ; .213 OBA ; 20 WP

I’d rather look at someone like Poythress who I’ve seen play a lot the past few years. Dude can MASH. He is 6-4 245.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on May 17, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Luke Bailey...

had or is going to have TJ surgery after straining some ligament in his throwing shoulder. If anything I like him more because of it as he’s now certain to drop in the draft, if we could get him in the 2nd round or later that would be worth the risk in my opinion.

by The Big Hurt on May 17, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't you have TJ on your elbow?

I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
AIM: JoeCoolMan24 www.2ksports.com/forums Thats where i spend most of my day

by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on May 18, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correct.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on May 18, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeh

My mistake, it was a strained ulnar collateral ligament in his right (throwing) elbow. Not sure where I got shoulder from.

by The Big Hurt on May 18, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

the messiah returns!

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=t247&t=g_box&gid=2009_05_17_biraax_wtdaax_1

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 17, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

episode 2 of gordon's baseball lessons

Baseball with Beckham Lesson Two: Shortstop

Birmingham Baron, Gordon Beckham teaches Shanisty how to play shortstop.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/wakeup/story/Baseball-with-Beckham-Lesson-Two-Shortstop/O8WPnDBmsEqwGNxcCwU0yw.cspx

“take my glove”

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 17, 2009 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

BA still DHing at charlotte

0-3, BB, 2 K

link 1 perfect IP for the save, 2 K.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=g_box&gid=2009_05_17_tolaaa_chraaa_1&did=t494&sid=t494

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on May 17, 2009 4:03 PM CDT reply actions  

kent gerst continues to enjoy his totally undeserved promotion to the dash.

1-4 today. we’ll see if he sticks now that lee cruz was demoted from birmingham.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_05_17_wswafa_salafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on May 17, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions  

jordan danks with the golden sombrero in game 1.

looks like maybe he hasn’t solved that K problem.

beckham 0-4 in his return.
viciedo continues to heat up, 2-3 – who says he should be in high A?

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_05_17_biraax_wtdaax_1

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on May 17, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

t-flo!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 17, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Trying to put our AA guys' numbers into context...

is it safe to say that the league average OPS isn’t going to stray too far from last year’s average of .742? I’m particularly interested in Allen and analyzing his start to the season and where he needs to be or what he needs to do to be considered a legit 1B/DH option for next year (and beyond). I’m also guessing that playing in Birmingham doesn’t help a hitter like him out a whole lot. With all that in mind it looks like he’s doing pretty well to remain a B-type prospect — not elite but still pretty good and, if he can progress over the next couple months, he likely isn’t too far away from Chicago (beginning or middle of 2010?).

by CWSKeith on May 17, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions  

i doubt the OPS would vary much from that. give or take 20 points or something is probably the range.

and i would agree that his home park likely suppresses his slugging some.

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by larry on May 18, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Minor league options
Carlos Torres isn’t as highly regarded as some of the Sox’s pitching prospects, but he has a 1.85 ERA in seven starts for Triple-A Charlotte.

Opponents are batting .197 in 39 innings against Torres, 26, a 15th-round selection in the 2004 draft out of Kansas State.

The two minor-league pitchers who have garnered more attention are Double-A Birmingham’s Aaron Poreda, who has a 2.52 ERA with 38 strikeouts in 39 innings, and Brian Omogrosso, who is 4-0 with a 1.98 ERA with 37 strikeouts in 41 innings.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-18-white-sox-bits-chicago-may18,0,3955374.story
 
 
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Brian%20Omogrosso&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=476134

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 17, 2009 6:15 PM CDT reply actions  

allen 1-2, BB, HR in game two.

flowers also add a homer. shelby tries to show he’s the leadoff and CF of the future with a 1-3, BB performance. good luck with that, john.

http://birmingham.barons.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=g_box&gid=2009_05_17_biraax_wtdaax_2&did=t247&sid=t247

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by larry on May 17, 2009 6:50 PM CDT reply actions  

jon gilmore turning the corner at kanny?

maybe. 3-4 today after a 2-4 yesterday. at least good to see a sign of life.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_05_17_lwdafx_kanafx_1

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by larry on May 17, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions  

do we have any kind of word on this guy?

injury? something to explain his putridness?

by Hatchetm on May 17, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

you know, it's okay for players to start slowly.

they don’t always just sux.

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by larry on May 17, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

So one more 10k game for Carter and he gets promoted?

It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.

by omnipotent grab on May 17, 2009 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Brandon Allen, 1B, White Sox (Double-A Birmingham)
Ranked 99th on my Top 100 list coming into the year, Allen had a breakout campaign in 2008 with 29 home runs in 472 at-bats, but he still had four previous years of not-so-impressive performances to overcome to convince a significant number of doubters. With home runs on Saturday and Sunday, and 13 RBI in his last 11 games, Allen now has a nice track record of production at the upper levels with a .300/.369/.521 line, and scouts who have seen him this year have come away impressed.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8897

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by larry on May 18, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

i've always thought next season.

lines up well with the contracts that expire. debatable whether you want him to start the season with the sox – one can get into the arbitration machinations – but i think he’ll probably be ready then.

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by larry on May 18, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

So when do you see him in Charlotte?

End of the month? End of the first half? Seems like he is ready, no? B-ham is going to win the first half title with or without him, so I would think it would be sooner rather than later.

You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

by jc2313 on May 18, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

dunno

probably mid june when the usual rejiggering of rosters occurs.

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by larry on May 18, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Minor League Transactions
Released: C Matt Inouye

Added to 40-man roster: LHP Jimmy Gobble

Optioned to Triple-A: RHP Jose Contreras

Placed on 7-day DL: RHP Matthew Long, RHP Miguel Socolovich, 1B Daryle Ward, OF Kenny Williams Jr.

Reinstated from DL: LHP Mike Johnston

Released by both the Royals and Rangers in spring training, Gobble signed with the White Sox and showed the same pronounced platoon split that he always has. With Triple-A Charlotte, he allowed a miniscule .276 OPS to lefthanded batters—but an .830 figure to righties. Just 27, Gobble may have a long career as a situational lefty if those trends hold.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=4093

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 18, 2009 5:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice, only 3 BB.

It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.

by omnipotent grab on May 18, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

danks 1-5, 3 K

two of the strikeouts were on three pitches.

flowers 2-4, BB
beckham 0-4, HBP
allen 1-4, BB
viciedo 1-5
shelby 2-4, 2 B, 2 K (shelby and danks want to fight over who can K more)

omogrosso beat up early: 6 IP, 5 hits, 6 BB, 4 K

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_05_18_biraax_wtdaax_1

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on May 18, 2009 10:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde

Jose Contreras, RHP, White Sox (Triple-A Charlotte)
Monday’s stats: 9 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 5 K
Two weeks ago, could you have ever imagined Contreras throwing a one-hitter at any level? Yes, there he was Monday night, carrying a no-hitter into the eight and needing just 100 pitches to cruise to the shutout victory. True progress, or another indication of how massive the difference is between even the highest level of the minors and the big leagues?

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/minorleagueupdate/

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on May 19, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

any word on whether he was throwing the forkball?

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on May 19, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

There’s not even a consensus that the draft is good or not. Evaluators agree on several themes, however:

• The ’09 class is shy on elite talent, particularly in terms of college hitters.

• Pitching will dominate the draft, not just the first round.

• The economy will play a role in the draft.


“This is the best depth draft from the second to fifth round I’ve ever seen,” another veteran director said, "and the first round’s horrible. It’s one of those years you have to have the understanding, ‘I won’t laugh at yours if you won’t laugh at mine.’ It’ll happen in the top 10, somebody will say, ‘I can’t believe that pick.’

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/draft-tracker/2009/268138.html

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on May 19, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions  

‘I won’t laugh at yours if you won’t laugh at mine.’

— A peek into that veteran director’s high school days.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on May 19, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spoken from experience, Paulie?

(Good line, though.)

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on May 19, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

roster machinations from A ball

Adam Bowling released. Joe Persichina and Nate Jones promoted to High Class A Winston-Salem. Jorge Castillo moved to extended spring training (Great Falls). Garret Johnson activated from disabled list. Kyle Shelton, Seth Loman and Kevin Asselin added from High Class A Winston-Salem.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on May 19, 2009 4:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Any surprises there?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on May 19, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

nope

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by larry on May 19, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anthony Carter throws a gem for the Dash

Line: 7ip, 4h, 1 er, 9k, 2bb

Morel 1/3 with a run and a walk

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_05_19_myrafa_wswafa_1

" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT

by U-God on May 19, 2009 8:43 PM CDT reply actions  

That's two in a row, no?

Is he someone to watch or is he just feasting on low competition?

by Sox-35th on May 20, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

i've never been a particular fan.

bit old for the level now and he’s too hittable (and too fly ball prone) for my tastes.

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by larry on May 20, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

i just figured it was a solid enough outing to post

" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT

by U-God on May 20, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

certainly.

and you never know when one of these guys is going to figure it out so you have to watch the box scores.

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by larry on May 20, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Knights win again

Cassel earns his first win of the year: 5ip, 2h, 2bb, 6k

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_05_19_tolaaa_chraaa_1

" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT

by U-God on May 19, 2009 8:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Gilmore's hot streak continues

3-4, 2 runs scored in Kanny’s 5-1 win

Sauer strikes out 9 over 6

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_05_19_hagafx_kanafx_1

" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT

by U-God on May 19, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Barons blow the chance for an organization-wide win day

Dayan 2-3 with a walk
Beckham 1-4
Allen 2-4 with a double
Danks 1-3 with a walk and a strikeout

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_05_19_biraax_wtdaax_1

" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT

by U-God on May 19, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

dayan walked!

celebration time!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 19, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

notes from last night with rick hahn.

aaron poreda is the player teams ask about the most. he’s making slow but steady progress with his secondary offerings and is buying into the idea of it’s okay to make mistakes with his secondary offerings because it’s only the minors, after all. and he is quite bemused by the calls from the media for poreda to make a spot start or be the 5th starter now – not gonna happen if rick has his way since poreda needs to develop.

upchurch pitched a couple days ago in extended ST and will be assigned to great falls.

infante and leesman are the guys he identified as “under the radar” prospects to watch.

flowers’ bat is probably ready now but the defensive issues will hold him back for awhile. sox roving catching instructor spends a lot of time with him. i asked about 2011 as the likely ETA and he agreed as the probable though conservative estimate.

allen should be in the mix in 2010.

agreed with all the commentators that this draft is pretty weak in terms of depth. not looking for any position in particular though tie generally goes to the arm or the premium defensive position.

said no one in the organization was untouchable but it would take quite a haul to get beckham or flowers due to their ability to provide excellent offense from a traditionally defensive position.

jim has more about the night:

http://soxmachine.com/blogs/soxmachine/archive/2009/05/20/16061.aspx

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on May 20, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Good news re: Allen. Too bad about T-Flow, though expected.

Means AJ is around for another 2 years, which could be worse.

Infante and Leesman now “above the radar”. Thanks, DB.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on May 20, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

i found his answer re: flowers, shall we say, interesting.

reading between the lines i would suggest that one of the issues is that there is a strong reticence in the organization to move AJ. hahn discussed AJ being an integral part of the chemistry and the “chip on the shoulder” mentality of the white sox. now, as hahn will be the first to admit and he did, he’s more of a numbers guy and while he puts stock in chemistry, that only gets you so far when production would be substantially higher from flowers (assuming all goes to plan). i will admit that my question was worded in such a way to tease out exactly these thoughts so maybe i’m reading more into it than i should. perhaps the others who were there can comment on what they thought of his response. but the overall sense i got was “i’d be for trading AJ before his contract was up at the end of 2010 but there’s be some strong pushback from others in the organization.”

also, on a tangentially minor league note, hahn said there had been significant discussion regarding the efficacy of moving alexei to CF but the view is that would be “robbing peter to pay paul” because of the opinion regarding alexei’s defense at SS. hahn called such a move possible but not likely.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on May 20, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Excellent Work

Any questions/comments in regards to Jordan Danks or CJ Retherford? Would it be right to assume no specific names were brought up in regards to the upcoming draft?

by DirtySox on May 20, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

no names.

and no one asked about them. only so much time with him. we’ll see if i can corner him at the BP outing, if i go, but i don’t know who can get to the ballpark that early, unless they actually do live in their parent’s basement and don’t have a real job.

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by larry on May 20, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the insight, very intriguing.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on May 20, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice intelligence. You are a stealthy little SOB, aren't you?

Do you have NSA clearance?

Keep it up. Loyalty to your readers first!

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on May 20, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

to clarify

they think highly of Alexei’s D at short?

by Tdogg on May 20, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Less of his D in center

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
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by Sox Machine on May 20, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

anything on beckham's D?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 20, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would be upset if Flowers is stuck in the minors until 2011

For me that is a big lost regarding the Javy deal. Considering the major suck of Killibridge that’s too far out for what the team gave up.

by Tdogg on May 20, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

finally an answer on the cuban contracts
HAHN

*Answered a long-standing question about the contracts of Alexei Ramirez and Dayan Viciedo. Yes, both are under White Sox control for six years like any other drafted player. That makes it a helluva lot easier to be patient with Viciedo.

thanks for asking that Jim

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 20, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

jim didn't ask that.

and i still can’t figure out why this was a question in the first place.

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by larry on May 20, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok

change it to ‘thanks for relaying that Jim’

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 20, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

leesman can't take the pressure from hahn.

5.2 IP, 6 hits, 5 BB, 3 K – though he did keep the damage to one run.

remenowsky with a perfect inning: 3 K.

gilmore continues to be hot: 3-4, BB.
kuhn 2-5

http://kannapolis.intimidators.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=g_box&gid=2009_05_20_hagafx_kanafx_1&did=t487&sid=t487

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by larry on May 20, 2009 1:30 PM CDT reply actions  

marrero has just been cratering for the dash.

just one hit in his last five games.

morel 1-3, 2B

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_05_20_myrafa_wswafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on May 20, 2009 1:48 PM CDT reply actions  

poreda 7 IP, 3 hits, 2 BB, 12 K

but no barons runs so he takes the loss.

danks 1-3, 2B, 2 BB, SB.
beckham still 0 for his return.
flowers 1-2, BB, HBP.
allen 0-3, BB
retherford 1-4, 2B
viciedo 0-4.

http://birmingham.barons.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=g_box&gid=2009_05_20_biraax_wtdaax_1&did=t247&sid=t247

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by larry on May 20, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions  

becks had a hit last night

" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT

by U-God on May 20, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah. i realized that after i hit post.

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by larry on May 20, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

do you know how much poreda is mixing in his secondary stuff?

is he throwing it way more than he might in an MLB game?

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on May 20, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

of course.

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by larry on May 20, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get him used to it.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on May 20, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Back from Jackson

So I’m back from Jackson and just like i promised i’ve got some HD video of some of our top prospects. My Cx7 nerfed the video i had of flowers behind the dish and at the plate so i apologize.

Some Thoughts; CJ is tiny, Flowers looked good behind the plate receiving the ball and picking and blocking, id say C/C+

enjoy

My Gallery

by beautox on May 20, 2009 5:57 PM CDT reply actions  

You should make a fanpost of this!

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on May 20, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

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by larry on May 20, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

second the fan post

do it up real nice and it’ll probably get FP’d

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on May 20, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prospects on the way
So who’s the next hot name to graduate to a major league roster? This week’s edition of Starting 9 updates the outlook for some Baseball America darlings — eight rookies-to-be and a perennial Angels prospect — who might appear at a big league park near you between now and September.
..
Gordon Beckham, White Sox

Beckham earned rave reviews during spring training for his professional demeanor and his bat. Michael Young and the recently retired Jeff Kent are the most commonly cited veteran player comparables.

In 29 games at shortstop for Double-A Birmingham, Beckham is hitting .279 with 14 doubles. But he recently missed 10 days with an abdominal strain, and he’s trying to regain his timing at the plate.

White Sox GM Kenny Williams is running short of patience after the team’s sorry performance in Toronto this past weekend, but he’s still in assessment mode.

“Beckham just started playing again, and there is no timetable for him or anyone else in the minor leagues,” Williams said in an e-mail. “But if my big league team keeps playing like this, there will be changes.”

Changes where? Although second baseman Chris Getz, shortstop Alexei Ramirez and third baseman Josh Fields are all hitting worse than .235, it’s a little soon for Williams to yank one of them for Beckham. The White Sox have scored only 53 runs in 17 games in May, so swapping one kid infielder for another won’t solve their problems.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&page=starting9/090520

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 20, 2009 8:47 PM CDT reply actions  

and
Justin Smoak, 1B, Rangers: While Hank Blalock had his contract option picked up this season and has hit 10 homers thus far, don’t expect the Rangers to keep him around after this season. The team needs to make room in the lineup for Smoak, 22, by moving Chris Davis to designated hitter.

The 11th overall pick in the 2008 draft out of the University of South Carolina, the switch-hitter has drawn immediate comparisons to Mark Teixeira in terms of his offensive ability.

Smoak has a fluid swing with good bat speed, and strong hands and wrists. He has well above average power from both sides of the plate and the potential to be a 40-homer hitter in the big leagues. He is patient, waits for pitches he can drive, is short to the ball, stays inside it well and will go to all fields. There’s very little not to like about his swing.

He signed in time to get in 14 games in the Midwest League at the end of last season, hitting .304 with six extra-base hits, and then impressed in the Arizona Fall League, despite being on the taxi squad for much of the time, which limited him to one or two starts per week. Aggressively promoted to Double-A to start this season, Smoak is proving that decision to be wise, as he has destroyed Texas League pitching. Through his first 36 games, Smoak is hitting .338 with six homers and more walks than strikeouts (resulting in a .461 on-base percentage) and is slugging .534. Not bad for 50 games into his professional career. …

http://insider.espn.go.com/fantasy/baseball/flb/story?page=greyminorachievements090520

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 20, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I knew this was coming

i checked out his numbers a couple days ago and knew you wouldnt let us forget.

It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.

by omnipotent grab on May 20, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

did you get the white tree tattoo?

that’ll be awesome!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 20, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Getting it this Sat.

Larrys going to be pissed hahaha.

It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.

by omnipotent grab on May 20, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh hes already pissed haha.

shoulved read the comments below.

It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.

by omnipotent grab on May 20, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm struggling to understand what this has to do with the white sox.

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by larry on May 20, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

is there a rule that whatever you post must be about the white sox?

you post non-white sox stuff, why not me?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 20, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

the title is unambiguous.

i don’t want to be posting one of these every three days because people feel the need to dump posts about whatever tickles their fancy into it.

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by larry on May 20, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

too bad, you don't get to decide who's allowed to post in thread you started

if you don’t like it don’t start a thread, or close the comments on it

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 20, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you don't like people posting on your threads

either don’t post threads or close the comments on them

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 20, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can the both of you go clean the sand out of your vags?

It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.

by omnipotent grab on May 20, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

in case you haven't been following

multiple members of this community have asked that the comments in these threads be managed so that the thread doesn’t get too unwieldy to read. that is why the thread is now being posted weekly – because 200 comments or so is where i think the limit for ease of reading is and the thread will be approaching that number on a weekly basis. i do not want to be clogging up the sidebar with even more frequent fanposts on the minors. i also selfishly want one place for me to look when i do the weekly main page post. i would appreciate it if you would help me limit the comments by sticking with the topic. thank you.

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by larry on May 20, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very diplomatic and rational.

Wiz, play nice, will you? It’s a big site.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on May 21, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

sticking with the topic

I don’t see my comment as off topic

and I don’t see any policy that prohibits comments for non-white sox players
you can’t change the rules of the game after the game has been played

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 21, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't see it entirely off topic

those two players where the best available when the sox picked, right? kind of interesting to see who turns out to be the better player.

by Hatchetm on May 21, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pot-stirrer.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on May 21, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

there are plenty of places to post

that sort of material, this isn’t one of them.

You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

by jc2313 on May 21, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poreda K’s 12, Halman The Primary Victim

Word is now out that Jake Peavy is likely headed to the White Sox as part of a four-player deal, pending Peavy’s approval. If the Padres had any scouts watching Chicago’s Double-A Birmingham club last night, they might have liked what they saw out of Aaron Poreda. The 22-year-old lefthander struck out 12 West Tenn (Mariners) batters in seven innings, allowing three runs (two earned), two walks and three hits. It’s early, but Poreda’s strikeout rate is up from last year, as he now has 50 strikeouts in 46 1/3 innings, though with 24 walks and six hit batsmen he’s also more wild than he’s been in the past.

One batter who didn’t seem to enjoy Poreda’s performance was Mariners center fielder Greg Halman, who went 0-for-4 with four strikeouts. Halman is the epitome of a feast-or-famine hitter, with a .208/.272/.507 line. In 37 games, Halman has just 30 hits, but 12 of those hits have been home runs and seven have been doubles.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=4167

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by larry on May 21, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions  

beckham's bat back

and so is the barons offense. gordon 4-5, HR. (also played 2B – ah, the intrigue!)

danks hits his first AA homer: 2-4, BB, HR.
flowers 1-4, BB
viciedo 1-5

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_05_21_biraax_tenaax_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on May 21, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

carlos torres says "jake who?"

7 IP, 4 hits, 1 BB, 6 K.

wassermann 2 IP, 1 hit, 3 K.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_05_21_indaaa_chraaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on May 21, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

that depends more on who is currently in the rotation (and probably contereras) than torres.

if they’re bad, it forces a decision. torres seems the likeliest.

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by larry on May 22, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe I'm an optimist

but I don’t think any of those guys suck…….Richard needs to come out of the bullpen (He would probably be very effective as a reliever) ………going from he won’t get a call up to being the likliest candidate is a pretty large change in opinion……..Do you think the sox will make another play for a big time starter? If so who do you see as an option? Also I think the whisler should start getting some attention….I realize that he doesnt have over powering stuff, but you can’t just ignore production.

by I.D. Sox on May 22, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

whisler = heath phillips.

you can and should ignore it.

KW tried at least once. i’m sure he will again.

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by larry on May 22, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

and i still don't think torres will get called up.

there’s still too many guys ahead of him.

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by larry on May 22, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can ignore production...

When it comes with peripherals as bad as Whisler’s. He blows.

by The Big Hurt on May 22, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

gilmore 2-4

carter 6 IP, 8 hits, 2 BB, 7 K.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_05_21_hagafx_kanafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on May 21, 2009 9:16 PM CDT reply actions  

suppose Fields fails

who’s next in line at 3b after Viciedo?

thanks for these updates, i live off them

.

by blackoutsox on May 21, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you're talking minor leaguers, viciedo isn't first.

beckham is.

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by larry on May 21, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's probably not second or third either

or fourth. or fifth.

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on May 21, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

wasn’t clear on what timeframe he was asking about. after this season, viciedo is probably near the top of the list but i’d still say 2011 for him. of course, fields is failing right now. means lots of nix and betemit for the moment.

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by larry on May 21, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's not good.

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by larry on May 21, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

what's the next step then

Left field? First base? How strong is his arm?

by Off the bus running on May 22, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

does Morel project to be an option in the longer term?

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on May 22, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

not really. utility.

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by larry on May 22, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

ty

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on May 22, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gentlemen.....

It’s time for the Beckham show to begin.

by dantesox on May 22, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

poreda makes hot sheet
No. 13 AARON POREDA, LHP
 WHITE SOX
 
Team: Double-A Birmingham (Southern)
Age: 22
Why He’s Here: 13 IP, 9 H, 6 R, 5 ER, 5 BB, 18 SO
The Scoop: Poreda struck out 12 on Wednesday night, then woke up Thursday morning to find that he might be heading to the Padres. Jake Peavy’s veto keeps him in Birmingham for now, but if he keeps pitching like he’s been throwing, he also could be headed for a promotion to Triple-A Charlotte before too long.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2009/268168.html

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by larry on May 22, 2009 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

beckham @ 3B

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 22, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice catch

he was back at SS for game 2 of the DH. intriguing nevertheless.

danks 3-4, R, RBI, no Ks in game 2
cook and shelby both homered

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=g_box&gid=2009_05_22_biraax_tenaax_2&did=t247&sid=t247

by Ryno on May 22, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

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