A What Following A What?
by colintj on May 20, 2009 11:43 PM CDT
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PrintThe Twins' starting pitching was lackluster once again, as Francisco Liriano didn't have adequate command and gave up two multi-run bombs in one inning. A two-runner to Paulie and a grand slam for JD, with a double from Corky Miller in between was more offense than the Sox have had in an inning this year according to Hawk. The past two games have been a welcome reprieve from the punchless Sox of late. Including yesterday's win, the Sox have had the worst offense in the major leagues in May, good for a very very very solid .225/.287/.352 slash line. As I've mentioned in the comments, that's about 2 runs below average per game. That's well beyond an undue burden on the pitching and a problem that was bound to improve somewhat. To say the least, 13 runs over two games feels pretty good. All the more so considering we've got at least 3 replacement level players in the lineup at any one time. At least Alexei looks like he wants his name off that list.
And what of the pitching? Still above average according to FIP, though to watch it live is to wonder how that's possible. An inflated BABIP* has led to an excess of actual runs crossing the plate, but the peripherals seem to be in line. Danks' outing tonight seemed to hold to that trend, though an actual error rather than crappy range and bad luck was the cause for an inflated run total. The Twins took a 2-0 advantage in the fourth thanks to Alexei Ramirez, who booted a would-be Michael Cuddyer GIDP on a ground ball right at him. That left two on and one out for a Jason Kubel single and, later, a Joe Crede sac fly. That constituted Minnesota scoring until Danks yielded a home run to Cuddyer in the 6th after he had clearly become gassed. Perhaps not having to work out of a jam not of his making would have made the difference in stamina. Over the course of his 5 and 2/3, Danks' stuff seemed on, though his command was somewhat spotty. As this is the same thing that enabled Charlotte's acquisition of Jose Contreras and Gavin Floyd's overwhelming case of the suck, it's both something to monitor and an opportunity. An opportunity for lesser sportswriters to make a swine flu reference. Good thing we're so high brow here at SSS.
*Recall that 1-BABIP = Defensive Efficiency Rate. Bad luck has been a factor, but this has been a bad defensive team so far.
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man
the Cheats summation of blog night ELITE is going to be awesome if hes putting this kind of time into it!
White Sox on pace to be shut out 32 times this year. woo!
I didn't have faith... I posted a picture recap a minute after this
I’m gonna need some more time to post my piece on last night. I’ll post it late tomorrow (we’ve got a day game) or schedule it for early Friday
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just cut and paste from Sox Machines summary
I dont think anyone will notice.
White Sox on pace to be shut out 32 times this year. woo!
like Jim put in the time and effort I did
i was only able to half-watch those Seinfeld reruns, damnit.
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
Ah, the classic paradox
If nobody reads a site, can one have heard its content from a friend?
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
hey layoff
maureen dowd is hot
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 21, 2009 5:48 AM CDT up reply actions
This is basically it:
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on May 21, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Nametags.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on May 21, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Happy...
… although I honestly thought that Danks looked a little out of control tonight. He was missing his spots consistently, in my estimation.
Also, if I were a Twins fan:
(1) I would kill myself on principle.
(2) I would have pitched a minor fit on the call of the ball four pitch to whatsisname before the Dye slammer.
(3) I would love cheese even more than I do now.
by ReservoirDog on May 21, 2009 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I was gonna say
those BABIP numbers have everything to do with this team defensively overall. The pitchers have rarely had room for any error. That said, first things first. Give me a 4-2 Homestand and score some damn runs. Stay afloat for the six on the road, then return home for a 12 game stand. By mid June we should have a pretty good idea where the season is going.
Nice recap.
Peavy???
A friend of mine sent me this message this morning:
>I’m hearing rumors this morning. You in favor of that move? Peavy is a heck of a pitcher.<
Since this is the only trusted site on White Sox news, does anybody on here have any grasp on the details?
Peavy...WTF?
Already 10 games out of first place just a quarter of the way through the season, the San Diego Padres are in discussions to trade pitcher Jake Peavy to the Chicago White Sox, according to a published report.
Peavy’s approval would be needed for a trade. The right-hander declined to comment, though the paper said Peavy referred to the situation as “something to think about” in the clubhouse.
Peavy is 89-67 in eight big-league seasons, all with San Diego. He is believed to prefer pitching in the National League, and an unidentified Padres player told the paper Peavy may have reservations about playing for White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen.
Peavy is 3-5 with a 3.82 ERA in nine starts this season. He has struck out 69 batters in 61 innings.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
Link
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9596644/Report:-White-Sox-making-pitch-for-Peavy
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 21, 2009 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I have heard all along
that Peavy wanted to stay in the NL. He has a FTC…but watching ESPN this morning, Olney thinks that this is going to get done. Take that for what its worth.
I have no idea who we would trade?
The contract is scary in itself as well….
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 21, 2009 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions
it's not my money
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
AIM: JoeCoolMan24 www.2ksports.com/forums Thats where i spend most of my day
by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on May 21, 2009 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Peavy contract
Peavy will make $6.5 million in 2008 and $11 million in 2009.
The new money kicks in in 2010, when he’ll make $15 million. He’ll earn $16 million in 2011 and $17 million in 2012. The club holds a $22 million option for 2013, or a $4 million buyout.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 21, 2009 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
when was the last time we had a pitcher of his calibur?
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
AIM: JoeCoolMan24 www.2ksports.com/forums Thats where i spend most of my day
by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on May 21, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions
learn to spell caliber if you're gonna keep using it
" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT
Peavy while solid, scares me more then even most NL pitchers, the fact his ERA jumps up a whole run away from Petco and that his K to BB ratio plummets away from home doesn’t bode well for USCellular. A weaker league, a pitchers park, who knows what this guy will do here.
by Grinder in Training on May 21, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions
and not only that
who do we give up? it would have to be probably two of the following three in gordon, poreda, and flowers…fuck that
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 21, 2009 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure about that...
the rumored Cubs deal in the winter didn’t even include their best prospect, Josh Vitters, and Poreda is (likely) better than any pitching prospect the Cubs could have offered.
Even if Peavy would “only” be a 4.00-4.15 ERA pitcher in the AL (and in US Cellular), that’s till worth a heckuva lot. Certainly worth Poreda + useful-but-not-elite parts. I agree with you, though, in that I similarly don’t want to see one of the other ‘elite’ (relative to our system) guys go.
San Diego is in tough financial shape...
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Yeah...
plus Peavy is owed a lot of cash. So who knows — maybe the Sox can actually get this done for Poreda + Richard + spare parts. If the spare parts doesn’t include any of Flowers, Beckham or Allen (and to lesser extents Viciedo and Danks), I’m going to be happy.
White sox message board – “Jake Peavy is on his way to the Sox for Richards, Poreda and 2 players to be named later. Teams have agreed and waiting for him to wave his no trade.”
Maybe the Sox hold leverage because other teams WILL not exercise that 22 mil option?
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
AIM: JoeCoolMan24 www.2ksports.com/forums Thats where i spend most of my day
by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on May 21, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Someone wake Cowley...I need a confirmation Twit.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 21, 2009 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions
lol
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
AIM: JoeCoolMan24 www.2ksports.com/forums Thats where i spend most of my day
by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on May 21, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Poreda?
Aren’t the Sox kind of bidding against themselves in this situation? Do we have to hand over Poreda? Perhaps we could put a Poreda jersey on Lillibridge and pass him off as a big, hard throwing lefty?
fellow redneck liney would have to talk him into it
can someone summarize his contract status…
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 21, 2009 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions
not sure why he would come here..
but if we guaranteed the $22MM option, that might be a pretty good reason.
this THT articles tackles his trade value back in fall of '08
here’s the link
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by onlysoxfaninboston on May 21, 2009 7:33 AM CDT reply actions
we need a peavy thread
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 21, 2009 7:53 AM CDT reply actions
If Peavy Does come here
Don’t we have to trade for a third baseman? I mean you can’t half ass it, we still have a god awful lineup. Peavy, Beurhle, Danks, Floyd, Colon probably wins the AL central.
Beltre, DeRosa, not sure what else is out there?
by Grinder in Training on May 21, 2009 7:56 AM CDT reply actions
haha, that's a joke right
getting peavy without emptying the cupboard should earn kdub at least a few weeks of not having to look over his shoulder
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 21, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying trading for Peavy is a bad deal..
Or that I think KDubs is doing anything wrong by trading for Peavy.
I’m just saying if you start trading for one veteran, we should probably fill the other massive holes we have, or what is the point? It doesn’t make sense to trade for a starting pitcher, but not fill are other holes.
by Grinder in Training on May 21, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he's making what would typically be an offseason move for '10 right now
because the price is right? Its not like it would be a rent-a-player deal.
White Sox: looks like we rolled snake eyes.
I guess that’s true, but I figure with how expensive he is going forward, if your looking at ‘10 are we sure value wise Poreda isn’t the choice? It seems this year would be the biggest difference in value between the two when you include the contract.
by Grinder in Training on May 21, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Poreda is still a big if to even make a major league rotation
and not just be a late-inning bullpen guy.
Peavy probably won’t put up the numbers he does in PETCO in the Cell, but i he doesn’t have to be “the man” any more than Buehrle or Danks do, he just has to be solid. I don’t see how that isn’t worth a lot more than Poreda.
The question is who the other players in the deal are.
White Sox: looks like we rolled snake eyes.
He’s definitely worth more than Poreda, I don’t disagree.
The question is if he’s worth 14 million more in 2010 or 16 million more in 2011. I don’t know if that’s a sure thing, so you need to get your money’s worth this year too, if you want the deal to make sense. That means trading for a third baseman at the very least.
by Grinder in Training on May 21, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Having not had internet for the last few days
Tonight’s game was the first I got to watch any portion of, and I only caught part of the 9th (chelexei’s sexy play), and watched the 7 run inning.
I’m really liking the cut of Nix’s jib. That was a good at bat he gave leading to the walk. Seems like a good utility player (of course, we have a roster full of utility players).
White Sox: looks like we rolled snake eyes.
one thing to note
peavy is a goddamn idiot if he has concerns of pitching for guillen…if guillen has proven anything, particularly with buerhle and danks, is that he knows how to manage and take care of his starters carefully.
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 21, 2009 8:04 AM CDT reply actions
If there is concern
It’s about the public perception that Ozzie is a lunatic who doesn’t know when to keep his mouth shut.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 21, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
well peavy's a dumbass, because players who stick with the club know that ozzie is a player's manager, it's only the media that feeds the perception
i’ll say this again, peavy is a dumbass if he really is concerned
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 21, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Offense still
seems to me to be the big problem. As Colin says in his summary of last night, our all-or-nothing offense struggles to score runs consistently, let alone move baserunners, with any consistency. The addition of Peavy does not address this fundamental weakness. I’d really like to have a consistent .300 hitter or two.
If we can get Peavy then we have to do it...
with him and the other 4 we win the division as long as the offense starts to heat up
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
I think with that kind of pitching, you just need an average offense
White Sox: looks like we rolled snake eyes.
Sadly, that is a lot to ask right now
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 21, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, lets get him today
And have his first start be tomm
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
Peavy
I don’t believe it for a second. I always thought that if a KW trade rumor hit “published report” status, the deal was probably dead.
The only thing that makes me think is most of the reports have it hinging on Peavy
Like I read those articles and it sounds like they’ve agreed to who’s involved in the trade, and the San Diego GM was meeting with Peavy to see if he’d ok the deal.
White Sox: looks like we rolled snake eyes.
The deal will not get done.....because if Peavy truly wants to play
for the Cubs/Brewers his agent is right to tell him to be patient and deal will eventually get done by trade deadline (even though I am sure his agent would love for him to accept Sox trade).
Stanch back to his old ways.. I like your style sir.
by Grinder in Training on May 21, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Fun to talk about though......
I am able to part with Poreda but do you guys really think Beckham is in the deal?
No way
The team’s first blue-chip prospect in how many years, and they’re going to give him away for Jake Peavy?
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 21, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
It was Olney
Hoping that the supposed PTBNL are of the Hudson/Carter/Morel type.
Isn't Beckham ineligable to be traded?
Being his first year and all
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
He can be a PTBNL
And most reports are saying the Padres want a SS. Writing on the wlal.
Why writing on the wall?
Plenty of other SS’s in the world. They’ll have prospects and a ton of cash, they don’t need ours.
by Grinder in Training on May 21, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree - though KW's MO is to trade prospects for ready-made ML-ers.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
PS JR is a wonderful businessman.
Already preying on the wounded from financial strength. would you rather have Swisher or Peavy? (I know, it’s not 1:1, but it’s the business philosophy driving this here.)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
I'd rather have both
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 21, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
That wasn't a choice.
College graduates STILL can’t read.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on May 21, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
SI says its done
pending Peavy’s approval.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/05/21/peavy.trade/index.html
by Off the bus running on May 21, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions
SI says the Pads want a SS...I don't like that....
by hitlesswonder on May 21, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
getz can fill that role
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 21, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Just another rumor
But MLBTradeRumors says they are in talks with the M’s for Betancourt, so it’s not like they have to get the SS from us. Plus.. they could afford him if they get rid of Peavy.
Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times says Mariners shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt is being showcased for a possible trade. He mentioned the Jack Wilson idea on Monday, though that seemed lopsided. Baker says the Padres have also discussed acquiring Betancourt:
Two names I’ve heard mentioned as trade returns for the Mariners would be either a package of, or choice between switch-hitting left fielder Chase Headley and Class AAA second baseman Matt Antonelli. I’m trying to pin down whether it is one or the other, or both, being offered up.
by Grinder in Training on May 21, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
It says they need a SS.
We need a 3B and CF. Not material information here.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Just remembering Hahn's words from the other night as reported by Larry
To wit, that no one’s untouchable but they’d need to really be blown away to deal for Poreda and/or Beckham.
Is Peavy really enough of a blow-away to lure both?
I don’t know that I like where this might be headed.
those weren't my or hahn's words.
hahn specifically mentioned flowers and beckham as the near untouchables. he said poreda was most asked about. he didn’t say poreda was near untouchable.
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I'm kinda glad I get to drive to park ridge today
Gotta get a kid all setup in a group home. It will give me something to listen too.
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
Gammons Says Beckham is NOT Part of the Deal
Just now on ESPN.
Let us hope he is correct.
What are the chances Peavy says “no dice” ? I wonder if making this public is an attempt to put pressure on Peavy to accept the deal?
White Sox: looks like we rolled snake eyes.
I think chances are good he declines...he wants to be a Cub or Brewer
And there’s a good chance that can happen closer to the deadline (although money will be issue).
I think you are right that the leaking s designed to pressure him to accept.
by hitlesswonder on May 21, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Gotta wonder about acquiring a guy who is afraid to pitch in the AL...
White Sox: looks like we rolled snake eyes.
I think so too
However I’m starting to get more optimistic. You know Coop, Ozzie, Kenny and some of the players are working the phones hard with him right now. Thankfully he is not supposed to pitch till tommorrow.
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
Sources told Gammons that White Sox shortstop prospect Gordon Beckham is not among the players in the deal.
From same article
He reported that Peavy called White Sox right-hander Scott Linebrink last night for his opinion about going to Chicago and got strong feedback.
Hmm, what kind of feedback did he give?
White Sox: looks like we rolled snake eyes.
the two are redneck fishing buddies from what i recall
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 21, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Why are Cubs fans all upset about this?
It prevents him from going to Milwaukee.
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
Peavy for excuse spellings
Lillibridge
Fields
Podsednik
Nix
Jerry Owens
Lance Broadway
Corky miller
Betemit.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
Scratch Fields
Darryl Ward.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
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