2009 MLB Draft
John Sickels looked where did major league starters with 10 or more Win Shares last year originated from:
65 Starters Total
22 First Round Picks 34%
7 Second Round Picks 11%
7 Third to Fifth Round Picks 11%
9 Sixth to 10th Round Picks 14%
10 11th round or later Picks 15%
10 Free Agents 15%24 High School Pitchers 37%
8 Junior College Pitchers 12%
23 Four-Year College Pitchers 35%
8 Latin American Free Agents 12%
2 Japanese Free Agents 4%
same thing for major league relievers with 10 or more Win Shares in 2008:
21 pitchers
4 1st round Picks 19%
1 2nd round Pick 5%
3 3rd- 5th round Picks 14%
1 6th -10th round Pick 5%
3 11th round+ Picks 11%
9 Free Agents 44%3 High School Picks 14%
1 Junior College Pick 5%
8 Four-Year College Picks 38%
7 Latin Free Agents 33%
1 Taiwan Free Agent 5%
1 Australian Free Agent 5%
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a mock draft I saw on sickels' diaries
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/5/19/880271/2009-amateur-draft-mock-6-round-one
http://mlbbonusbaby.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/2009-amateur-draft-mock-6-supplemental-round/
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by The Wizard on May 24, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just from the very little reading I've done...
the early guys I’ve got my eye on are Brothers and Paxton — college lefties who sit in the low-to-mid 90s, although I have no idea if either are repped by Boras. Unfortunately, I also think it’s more probable than not that neither fall to us. Most mocks I’ve seen have one (or both) going in that 15-20 range.
by CWSKeith on May 24, 2009 7:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Paxton is a Boras client, as is another intriguing lefty Andy Oliver.
by The Big Hurt on May 25, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any thoughts on Rich Poythress?
I know it’s not all that exciting to take a 1b/DH type, but he appears to be one of the best bets to hit pro-pitching in the draft, and to get something like that at #23 would seem to be a good value pick.
by CWSKeith on May 25, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that you, duane schaffer?
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by larry on May 25, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox have three second-round or better picks -- need each one be a "high-upside" hurler?
by CWSKeith on May 25, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no.
but i’ve never figured out the desire to draft players without positions – especially ones who aren’t premium, premium bats. flowers, allen, viciedo, quentin…like most teams, we’ve got enough guys who profile as better hitters and need a position.
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by larry on May 25, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
should be a good one for premium positions
especially if you’re willing to take some risks. Anyway, I guess the philosophy is that hitting is the hardest tool to teach. It’s really hard to find a young player who can hit and field; the mere potential of doing so is worth millions…
by Daniel Berlyn on May 25, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I just don't understand your 'attack'...
it was moreso a post to get information, hence “Any thoughts on R.P.?” as the header. I don’t have a “desire” to draft him. I don’t know enough about any of these guys to have a “desire” to draft any of them.
Your point is taken, though, on him not being a truly premium (positionally adjusted) bat. He does appear to be one of the best college bats available, probably * the best * outside of Ackley, but I’m not sure that that distinction means a whole lot – afterall, Fields was one of the best college bats of his class, too (not comparing the two players, mind you).
Thanks for the info, TBH. For the best 1b/DH-type in the draft that seems like too many question marks. I thought the bat was more legit but the numbers — while very good — don’t look other worldly for a guy destined to 1b/DH, and the concerns you list don’t paint a very rosy picture.
by CWSKeith on May 25, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we've got plenty of corner bats
and they’re usually in decent supply anyway. this system needs some pitchers and toolsy sorts.
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by colintj on May 25, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is, really, by design.
You’re right, though. However, the needs of the system have to outweigh the desire for relatively safe, quick-developing hitters and pitchers alike. I’d be willing to see them go for high-schoolers; they should be able to pick up a couple of high-upside type pitchers, which is the biggest need.
by Daniel Berlyn on May 25, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with you there.
i’d like them to go mostly college, but key in on some non-Boras signability sorts, like Upchurch and Danks last year. i’ve got a lot more faith in the Sox drafting brass post-Schaffer.
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by colintj on May 25, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
value pick = safety pick.
hence duane shaffer. lance broadway appeared to be one of the best bets to pitch to pro hitters in the 2005 draft.
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by larry on May 25, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
i doubt we’ll see too many high school types taken by the Sox unless they’re projected for some reason as quick movers but low picks. the Sox will need to fill out 2/5 of the rotation, not to mention 3B, CF, RF, C and DH in very short order.
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by colintj on May 25, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are all lined up
in any case, I don’t see how the draft can fulfill those needs. There are a few safe bets regarding the outfield and catcher, though, where there are questions regarding the future. A.J. Pollack and Tony Sanchez come to mind. Sanchez may be taken by then, and doesn’t have a lot of offensive upside, but looks like a good pick in the latter third for a team lacking depth there.
by Daniel Berlyn on May 25, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
yeah, you may be right. 2009 is probably too late to start addressing ‘10 and ’11 needs considering where the Sox are drafting and what kind of draft this looks like. perhaps we’ll see them draft replacements for the trade bait Kenny’s developed in the minors.
another possibility is a Jenks trade followed by a college closer.
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by colintj on May 25, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I personally hate the idea of using your first pick on a closer
and I’m not sure that’s the type of player Laumann would go for. I don’t think there’s a need organizationally for relievers, and it’s usually just a bad idea when you consider that they don’t provide the bang-for-the-buck you can get for other pitchers who have just as likely a chance of blowing out anyway. I won’t say they surely won’t do it, though, but I think KW would rather not get another Royce Ring. There’s just so much emphasis on stuff with college closers that I don’t think it’s a good gamble.
I think the organizational philosophy, from Ozzie to Kenny to Laumann, will be “baseball players”. We want good “baseball players” who can fill a premium position. There are a number of these types that will be available to them should they want to go that route. The way the White Sox operate isn’t conducive to developing position players with flaws, so they might as well go for the polished ones. There will always be guys to take a chance on later that have as good a chance of success as the preps taken in round one.
by Daniel Berlyn on May 25, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why draft a closer
when you have jon link. especially if you’re talking a w/r/t to a jenks trade.
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by larry on May 25, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
link >> rodriguez
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by larry on May 25, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nathan Jones >> All
He’s the one to watch.
by The Big Hurt on May 25, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's also in A ball.
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by larry on May 25, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no fn sht
Mark Buehrle for Cy Young!
by blackoutsox on May 25, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nathan Jones, you've been gone too long.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on May 26, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His stock has been falling and some scouts are questioning whether he’ll be able to hit pro pitching due to a lack of bat speed. His numbers have been great but he’s made his money destroying weak college pitching and his numbers against the stronger teams are underwhelming. Defensively he decent with very good hands. He’s seen as a safe pick, someone who will rise quickly through the minors. Wouldn’t be a bad pick at 23 but certainly not my first choice as I don’t think we’ll have much problem filling 1B/DH in the future.
by The Big Hurt on May 25, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who are the guys you're looking at?
I’m doing the White Sox at another site.
by Daniel Berlyn on May 25, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At 23:
James Paxton
Rex Brothers
Andy Oliver
Eric Arnett
A.J. Pollock
Jared Mitchell
at 38 or later:
Tony Sanchez
Luke Bailey
Mike Minor
Sam Dyson
Basically lots of pitching with some outfielders and catchers
by The Big Hurt on May 25, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I highly doubt Sanchez and Minor last that long
Bailey would be a good pick at 38, IMO. I like Pollack myself, and am strongly considering Minor at 23. I know Oliver’s a Boras guy, who else?
by Daniel Berlyn on May 25, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Jared Mitchell the other 'toolsy' first rounder?
From the little I saw of him on one of the random Fox regional channels that I get, he looked really fucking built. On the other hand, I thought I remember seeing his K-rate was rather high. A more-athletic Jordan Danks, perhaps?
Did I also see correctly that he’s a WR on LSU’s football team? If so, daaaaamn — he’s gotta be one helluvan athlete.
by CWSKeith on May 25, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RP is not 'decent' defensively
he has the range of a turtle. I mean cant move at all. Good hands or not, he will be a liability on the field.
You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?
by jc2313 on Jun 3, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a few interesting hitters
I was looking at the MLB.com video draft reports @ http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp and found a few interesting hitters:
Borchering, Franklin, Heathcott, Hutting, Joseph, A Miller, Pollock, Renfroe, Sanchez, Seastrunk, Shaffer, Songco, Stassi, Walla, T Wheeler
any that seem interesting to you too? I figure some must be available since we have picks 23 and 38
ps. from Joseph’s video: “a young Paul Konerko”
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by The Wizard on May 25, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Miller looks like a solid player
I’m considering pretty much all the college players you listed in my mock
by Daniel Berlyn on May 25, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sickels on the origins of pitchers
This was just a quick study of the top pitchers in one season, 2008. A larger study, with a greater sample covering multiple seasons, would be more informative. This study also doesn’t tell us anything about the longevity of the pitchers involved: 2008 will be a career peak, or even a simple aberration for many of them.
With that caveat, let’s see what we found.
There were 86 pitchers in the majors last year who generated 10 or more Win Shares, 65 starters and 21 relievers. 26 of these pitchers (30%) were first round or supplemental first round picks. However, only 8 of them (9%) were second round picks. I thought that ratio would be closer, but apparently there IS a big difference between the two categories. It would be interesting to break that down by exact draft position, or in aggregates of 5 or 10. . .top 5 picks, top 15 picks, etc;, but we would need a larger sample size of pitchers for that to be really meaningful.
After you get past the second round, things thin out even more. Third through fifth round picks produced just 10 pitchers (12%) despite having three times as many draft slots as the second round by itself. The sixth through tenth rounds produced another 10, but with five times as many slots. This all seems to be completely logical and rational. …
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/5/25/885985/origins-of-2008-pitchers-some
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by The Wizard on May 25, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Draft Preview: Middle infielders
There never seem to be enough true shortstops. Every draft, there’s a hope more will come to fill up Major League systems everywhere, but it never seems to work out that way.
Last year wasn’t too bad at the top of the Draft, with the Beckhams, but it dropped precipitously after that. This year, it’s unclear whether it will measure up.
“There are some guys who pound the ball a little who you project at second base,” said one scouting director, trying to find a sliver lining. “You need a guy who can run, good hands, good feet and there aren’t many of those guys. That’s a shame.”
It’s not likely, then, that too many of the names below will go in the opening round, but with the need organizations have, these are all players who will find interested parties sooner rather than later — all the more reason to tune in to MLB.com. The site will offer live coverage and analysis of the entire First-Year Player Draft on June 9-11, on MLB.com/Live, where host Vinny Micucci will be joined by MLB.com Draft expert Jonathan Mayo and Major League Scouting Bureau director Frank Marcos. Coverage begins at 6 p.m. ET on June 9, noon on June 10 and 11:30 a.m. on June 11. …
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by The Wizard on May 26, 2009 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
kittle and skowron will be the Sox representatives
Ron Kittle originally was signed by the Los Angeles Dodgers in 1977 as an amateur free agent.
Bill “Moose” Skowron found his primary fame and fortune as an integral part of five World Series champions, including four with the Yankees.
Yet, these players share a common bond. For starters, they both have made significant contributions to the White Sox organization — on and off the field.
And they both will be serving as the White Sox representatives at the First-Year Player Draft at MLB Network studios next month on June 9.
MLB.com will offer live coverage and analysis of the entire First-Year Player Draft from June 9-11. MLB Network will broadcast the first round at 5 p.m. CT on June 9 from its Studio 42 in Secaucus, N.J., and those 32 selections also will be simulcast live on MLB.com.
Beginning with the 33rd pick, up-to-the-minute on-air coverage from the remaining rounds will shift exclusively to MLB.com/Live, where host Vinny Micucci will be joined by MLB.com Draft expert Jonathan Mayo and Major League Scouting Bureau director Frank Marcos.
Once the first night is done, the Draft will continue with the rounds 4-30, via conference call from MLB Headquarters in New York, at noon on Wednesday, June 10. Rounds 31-50 will be on Thursday, June 11, starting at 10:30 a.m. CT. …
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by The Wizard on May 26, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Top Right-Handers in 2009 Draft
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/5/26/888212/top-right-handers-in-2009-draft
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by The Wizard on May 26, 2009 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Top Lefties in 2009 Draft
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/5/27/890634/top-lefties-in-2009-draft
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by The Wizard on May 27, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB Cuts Slots By 10 Percent
In a development first reported by Murray Chass, MLB commissioner Bud Selig said his office will reduce its recommendations for bonus slots by 10 percent. Selig made the comments at an owners meeting last week in New York, and Baseball America has confirmed his plan with multiple sources.
MLB recommends bonuses for each pick in the first five rounds, as well as a maximum for all picks afterward. Last year’s estimated slots ranged from $4 million for the No. 1 overall pick to $155,000 for the final choice in the fifth round (No. 172), with a $150,000 threshold for subsequent picks.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=900
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by larry on May 27, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB can’t force teams to accept its recommendations, but it has exerted pressure on owners to toe the line and fined clubs that didn’t follow a set procedure before paying an above-slot bonus.
any idea what they mean by ‘set procedure’?
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by The Wizard on May 27, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have to go through this ritual where you call the commissioner's office and one of selig's top deputies gives you a long speech about how what you're doing is really bad for the game and asks you not to do it.
and then you hang up and send the check.
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by larry on May 27, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
and it says clubs have already be ‘fined’ for not doing so!
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by The Wizard on May 27, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you date it August 15th
so as not to affect other negotiations
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by The Cheat on Jun 3, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keith Law's first mock is up
23. Chicago White Sox
Mike Trout, of, Millville HS, Millville, NJ: They also like Indiana RHP Eric Arnett and Texas HS outfielder Everett Williams.
by The Big Hurt on May 27, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
First-round high school position player...
when was the last time the Sox took one of those — Mark Johnson?
From the brief scouting video on MLB.com (a few years ago those were much more thorough – what happened?), Trout’s got a very odd-looking build, especially for a CFer.
TBH, mind sharing where Law has Brothers going?
by CWSKeith on May 27, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like Brothers would be a mild long-shot to get to the Sox
I’m thinking late teens for him
by Daniel Berlyn on May 27, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any info on Williams?
I don’t believe I’ve seen his name in any first round projections yet.
by DirtySox on May 27, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From Law
Summary: Williams is one of the few true center fielders in this draft, and that alone should push him into the top few rounds. Williams has a great body and is pretty athletic, with good range in center field and an average arm. His setup at the plate is great, with his hands in good position and a pretty compact swing. Contact is an issue for him, and he’ll chase fastballs up ’til the cows come home.
Player Grades
PRESENT FUTURE
Hitting 40 45
Power 45 50
Plate Discipline 40 45
Running Speed 55 55
Fielding Range 60 65
Arm Strength 50 50
Feel for Game 40 45
by The Big Hurt on May 27, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Contact is an issue for him".
Nice. Where do we sign? Because all of our CF’s are great at contact. We’re just looking for a glove and speed.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on May 27, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't we have a glove and speed?
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by The Wizard on May 27, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sox "on the clock" at sickels community mock draft
Who will the Chisox take with pick #23 in June’s Amateur Draft?
# Eric Arnett, RHP, Indiana
# Kyle Heckathorn, RHP, Kennesaw State
# Chad Jenkins, RHP, Kennesaw State
# Mike Minor, LHP, Vanderbilt
# Wil Myers, C, Wesleyan Christian Academy (NC
# Rich Poythress, 1B, Georgia
# Tony Sanchez, C, Boston College
# Tyler Skaggs, LHP, Santa Monica HS (CA
# Max Stassi, C, Yuba City HS (CA)
# Drew Storen, RHP, Stanford
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/5/28/891270/community-mock-draft-pick-1-23
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by The Wizard on May 28, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they should make the same mistake we did, wiz, and draft a high school catcher.
that’s worked out awesome so far.
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by larry on May 28, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 out of 4 larry, our scouting was top-notch
here are our picks
8) Kyle Skipworth, C, California HS [stats]
86) Jordan Danks, OF, Texas [2008 stats]
120) Tim Fedroff, OF, UNC [2008 stats]
150) Matt Daly, RHP, Hawaii [stats]
danks and fedroff are doing ok; though fedroff is an indian…
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by The Wizard on May 28, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see? that's why i hired you. color things in a more favorable light.
of course, we apparently over-drafted danks by a few hundred picks. that was some scouting to get him in the seventh round.
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by larry on May 28, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the winner is
1-23 (Chicago White Sox): Eric Arnett, RHP, Indiana
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by The Wizard on May 29, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my vote
and I’d be very satisfied if that’s who we end up with come draft day.
by The Big Hurt on May 29, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
any chance Borchering is available when we pick?
that way we can have Beckham Borchering Quentin!
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by The Wizard on May 29, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Pirates don't take him at 4
I think there’s a decent chance of him slipping to us, not that I’d take him if he did fall, mind.
by The Big Hurt on May 29, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
barbeque!
Colon, who after pitching 5 scoreless innings, had to leave the game with an upset stomach.
by blackoutsox on May 29, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Borchering sounds too much like Borchard.
I dont like him.
this draft is a crapshoot.
Both of those top 2 picks should be pretty high quality no matter who they get.
I deleted it because of the misspselling. -the Cheat
by e-gus on May 29, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mayo's 20-pick Mock Draft
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090528&content_id=5009386&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
also Mayo’s College and High School pitching breakdowns
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by The Wizard on May 28, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mayo will have a chat tomorrow
Mayo to chat MLB Draft on Friday
Fans are invited to chat live with MLB.com Draft expert Jonathan Mayo on Friday at 1 p.m. ET. Mayo will field your questions and comments about the upcoming Major League Baseball Draft (June 9-11), his first-round projections, pitching phenom Stephen Strasburg, and which young players might become the future of your favorite team.
http://mlb.mlb.com/fan_forum/chat.jsp
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by The Wizard on May 28, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
q & a with jim callis regarding the draft
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/05/qa_with_basebal.php
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by larry on May 29, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sickels looks at more righties
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/5/29/891841/more-right-handers-for-the-2009
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by larry on May 29, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gosselin just moved up some draft boards.
I deleted it because of the misspselling. -the Cheat
by e-gus on May 29, 2009 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JonathanMayoB3: Georgia’s Rich Poythress goes yard not once, not twice, but three times in their regional opener. Have yourself a day. Heck, that’s a week.
Link: http://twitter.com/JonathanMayoB3/statuses/1966352066
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by The Wizard on May 29, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BA's Mock Draft 2.0
Is now up. Anyone able to post the list? Or at least post who they have us taking?
by DirtySox on May 30, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dont sweat the mock drafts.
this year is more of a crap shoot than most.
Coparabale talent through the first two rounds, anyones guess how it shakes out.
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by e-gus on May 30, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coparabale = Comparable
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by e-gus on May 30, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed in regards to the talent
Just curious about any recent updates on who we might be connected to.
by DirtySox on May 30, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just find out what game KW was at last night.
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by larry on May 30, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
White Sox preparing for June 9 draft
Doug Laumann and his scouting staff are encountering a completely different set of circumstances as they prepare for the June 9 draft.
Unlike last year, when the Sox had the eighth overall selection but didn’t pick again until the 86th pick, the Sox have five of the first 102 selections but don’t make their first pick until No. 23.
The Sox have the 38th and 61st picks as compensation for free-agent shortstop Orlando Cabrera signing with Oakland, but they won’t receive a compensation pick in 2010 if they don’t sign those players selected at those spots.
“You can roll the dice more with your own picks,” said Laumann, who also has the 23rd, 71st and 102nd picks. …
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by The Wizard on May 31, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So overdrafts at 38 and 61 then, good thing they’ve been practising overdrafts for the last forever.
by The Big Hurt on Jun 1, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roll the dice = (perhaps) take a chance on one of the high school arms that will fall?
by CWSKeith on Jun 1, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder if Skaggs could fall to us.
Anyone?
by DirtySox on Jun 1, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Skaggs the Texas lefty?
//Checking… hmm, no, that’s Purke.
The good thing about our position is that the five picks preceding the Sox don’t appear to be big spenders (I wish I could verify that with 2008 draft spending totals but a couple of google searches didn’t yield much) — Anahiem (twice), NY (AL), Boston and the Cubs are all behind the Sox in the first round.
In any case Skaggs looks pretty interesting — projectable lefty at 6’5" who’s already in the high-80s/low-90s with a plus curve.
One mock I saw has us taking Tim Wheeler*. I doubt and certainly hope they don’t go that route…
*I’m not putting any stock into this, mind you, especially this year. I bring it up for discussion purposes (if that).
by CWSKeith on Jun 1, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Wheeler either.
He seems to be that tweener type, his bat is probably good enough for CF, but is his defense? Or will he have to move to LF where his defense should be fine but his bat almost certainly won’t be.
by The Big Hurt on Jun 1, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of CF
I’ve seen the Sox being connected to Trout and Williams, but anything on the Reymond Fuentes front?
I’ve seen his name popup lately and hadn’t heard anything on him until recently. Any thoughts/relevant info?
by DirtySox on Jun 1, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Beltran's nephew
He’s been flying up draft boards with the Rangers being linked to him possibly at the no. 44 pick. He has great speed running a 6.30 60 time at a recent showcase giving him great range in CF. He’s a contact hitter and at 6’0" and about 160lbs doesn’t project to hit for much power so his future value lies on whether he’ll be able to walk enough to become a true leadoff hitter, if he doesn’t walk then I see his ceiling as 4th outfielder/pinch runner type. I haven’t heard anything linking him to the White Sox but obviously that doesn’t mean they’re not looking at him.
by The Big Hurt on Jun 1, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More on Fuentes
Law describes him as “a pretty free swinger in the Alfonso Soriano/Alexei Ramirez mold”, which would limit his potential as a leadoff hitter, but Law also notes that Fuentes does have some power potential due to excellent bat speed.
by The Big Hurt on Jun 3, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And more again, this time BA:
Reymond Fuentes, of, 2009, Fernando Callego HS, Manati, P.R.: The nephew of Mets center fielder Carlos Beltran, Fuentes profiles as a prototypical leadoff hitter; one American League international scout called him an “electric, game-changing player.” The 6-foot, 160-pound center fielder is slender, but has wiry strength and can put a charge in a ball during batting practice. In game situations, Fuentes stays within himself, understands his role is to get on base and doesn’t try to do too much. He uses more of a contact-oriented approach and uses his plus speed to his advantage. Fuentes ran the fastest 60-yard dash at the event at 6.38 seconds. Defensively, Fuentes’ range will allow him to stay in center field as a professional and will make up for his below-average arm strength.
“He has a lot of tools,” said an American League area scout, who predicts Fuentes will be selected in the first three rounds. “He’s a very good player, a very exciting player. His best tool is obviously his legs, but he’s not a slap hitter like a lot of fast guys. He’s a line drive hitter with occasional power—a Johnny Damon type of player.”
by The Big Hurt on Jun 4, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is
Carlos Gomez, if not then someone has done a good job of cloning Gomez.
by The Big Hurt on Jun 8, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The defensive ability is indefinite
and he should have the speed to be acceptable at center if need be. If not, he could be a Carl Crawford type. You’re forgetting his size and speed combination which also leaves room for power and defense projection. Also a true base stealer.
Another “safer” type could be A.J. Pollack, but I wouldn’t take with the first pick at this point. I don’t think a high-school player will be taken first unless something strange happens, and don’t have confidence in the team’s ability to develop prep position players.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 1, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be adverse to taking Pollock at 23
It’s definitely on the upper cusp of where he should be going but I like him a lot, plus speed and range in CF, developing power (he hit very well with wood in the Cape), great plate discipline.
What are your thoughts on Kyle Heckathorn? He’s a personal favourite of mine but opinions seems decidedly split on him. What I see from him is a great frame (6’6", 240), athleticism and pure stuff. The fastball has touched 99 but his college coach said his change is his best pitch and his slider also has a chance of developing into an out pitch. Am I being too optimistic?
by The Big Hurt on Jun 1, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He fits the bill of a reliever, to me.
It seems like it would take a lot of work to make him an ML starter and his mechanics
http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2009/5/30/893979/hope-your-team-doesnt-draft
are bad. His fastball is hard but straight, his slider is hard, so there is some potential there, but I’m not banking on him making the transition into having a durable starting pitcher’s mentality.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 1, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like what i've heard
he sounds like a Poreda-type with perhaps more polish.
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by colintj on Jun 2, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definite possibility.
His stock has been falling a bit and I’d say 15 is about as high as he’ll go with the mid-20’s being his slot at the moment.
Like I’ve said before I wouldn’t draft HS pitchers early but I do like Skaggs, he’s got a decent FB with a very good curve and a workable change, to go along with a very projectable frame.
by The Big Hurt on Jun 1, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Florida High School All-Star Classic in Sebring
To get this kind of one-stop shopping, this late in teh draft season, can be huge. With most of the top high schoolers done playing by now, the All-Star Classic provides a last look at the best prepsters in Florida — usually a talented group — against good competition in a fairly high-intensity setting. The alumni from this game now in pro ball is astounding.
This year, the list was impressive in terms of who showed up. Pretty much every high schooler who was highly thought of in the state of Florida attended the event last weekend. The only problem was, it seems, not too many were all that impressive.
The main exception was 3B Bobby Borchering. The potential first-rounder was “as advertised,” according to one scout, who liked his strength, his quiet bat and how well he stayed on the ball at the plate. But that was pretty much it: “There wasn’t a guy there with the exception of Borchering. There wasn’t any money made by anyone else.” …
http://minors.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/06/high_schoolers_dont_sebring_a.html
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by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Drafting Catchers
I’ve been writing about the Rays draft prospects a lot lately. The list is coated with high school catchers. My curious side got to working and wondered how catchers drafted in the first three rounds have fared in the majors, so let’s take a look.
I used the draft classes from 1998 through 2003; the last year in which a HS catcher in the top three rounds has already reached the majors. I included everyone drafted as a catcher and used FanGraphs career WAR. The list has some guys like Justin Morneau, Daric Barton, and Joey Votto who quickly moved off the position, but remember, they were drafted as backstops. If you draft Tommy Joseph at 30 and in six years he’s Justin Morneau, that’s a pretty fair trade.
So let’s slice these 55 backstops up and answer some questions, shall we?
Collegiate or prep?
23 of our catchers were from college. The best of the bunch is Brandon Inge with a 14.3 career WAR, the worst? Dane Sardinha with -0.7. 11 of these players never recorded a major league at-bat, and 15 finished with less than 100. The average WAR of this group is 1.57.
Our high schoolers are lead by two of the best catchers in the land; Joe Mauer (22.4 WAR) and Brian McCann (16.3). In fact, the high schoolers have the three best overall players by WAR when you include Morneau. The average WAR amongst these 33? 2.29, but when you ignore Mauer that number drops to 1.65, almost identical to the collegiate group. …
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/6/2/896060/drafting-catchers
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by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
look! another mock draft!
this time by some bloggers.
http://mvn.com/outsider/2009_mvn_mlb_mock_draft.html
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by larry on Jun 2, 2009 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The damn twinkies pick just before us...
Baseball Daily Digest’s Eric SanInocencio picks for the Chicago White Sox at No. 23. The ChiSox, in need of a center fielder at the big league level, hope Tim Wheeler from Sacramento State can solve their problems.Follow the mock draft here.
We can’t be more excited for such a talented outfielder to somehow be available to the Chicago White Sox with the 23rd overall selection. Tim Wheeler, a junior outfielder from Sacramento State, brings the premier power/speed combination in the country into our organization. Wheeler has excellent size (6-4, 200) and has enough athleticism to play center field at the major league level.
You often hear the term “five-tool talent” through around come draft time, but Wheeler’s skill set actually earns him that moniker. We mentioned his ability to cover center field, and that speed also translates to success on the basepaths. Wheeler has stolen 15 bases in just 17 attempts this year, and has double-digit swipes ever season at Sacramento State.
A prolific hitter as well, the junior has hit over .350 in his career, and really showed great power in 2009. This year he mashed 18 home runs, slugging .765 for the Hornets.
The Chicago White Sox fully expect Wheeler to move quickly through the organization, and hopefully emerge in Cellular Field as a viable option for center field. What has become a revolving door of failed prospects will hopefully be fulfilled as Wheeler becomes a cornerstone for this franchise for years to come. We couldn’t be happier to draft Tim Wheeler in this year’s first round.
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by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sickels' top 50 draft board
20) Drew Storen, RHP, Stanford
21) Rex Brothers, LHP, Lipscomb
22) Eric Arnett, RHP, Indiana
23) Reymond Fuentes, OF, Puerto Rico HS
24) Mike Trout, OF, New Jersey HS
25) Max Stassi, C, Florida HS
26) Chad James, LHP, Oklahoma HS
27) Garrett Gould, RHP, Kansas HS
28) Kyle Heckathorn, RHP, Kennesaw State
29) James Paxton, LHP, Kentucky
30) Andrew Oliver, LHP, Oklahoma State
31) Everett Williams, OF, Texas HS
32) A.J. Pollock, OF, Notre Dame
33) Tony Sanchez, C, Boston College
34) Jason Kipnis, OF, Arizona State
35) Tyler Skaggs, LHP, California HS
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/6/2/896798/draft-board
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by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2009 7:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wiz, when this fanpost falls out of the recommend box, be sure to get another fanpost going so we'll have one that will take us up to the draft.
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by larry on Jun 2, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like we will make it ok until draft day
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by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
won't be sticking to the top, though.
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by larry on Jun 7, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
any idea what causes it to drop?
when I logged in this morning the draft diary was in the ‘reccomended fanshots’ section, no it isn’t
is the rec’d column limited to 5 items?
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by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know Rex Brothers was mentioned above and would fall around where the White Sox are drafting
there is an article on him at Driveline Mechanics
Personally, I think this guy has reliever written all over him from what I read.
Colon, who after pitching 5 scoreless innings, had to leave the game with an upset stomach.
by blackoutsox on Jun 2, 2009 9:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Law's latest mock
23. Chicago White Sox
Everett Williams, CF, McCallum HS, Austin, Texas: Also linked to Fuentes and the major college arms, including Arnett, Heckathorn and Minor; they had a lot of heat in at the SEC to witness Minor’s command performance against LSU
by The Big Hurt on Jun 3, 2009 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No Scheppers in the first round either
Apparently he “doesn’t have a home” in the first 32 picks.
by The Big Hurt on Jun 3, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
16. Arizona – Rex Brothers, LHP, Lipscomb
17. Arizona – Bobby Borchering, 3B, Bishop Verot HS (FL)
18. Florida – Chad James, LHP, Yukon HS (OK)
19. St. Louis – Mike Minor, LHP, Vanderbilt
20. Toronto – Chad Jenkins, RHP, Kennesaw State
21. Houston – Matt Hobgood, RHP, Norco HS (CA)
22. Minnesota – Jiovanni Mier, SS, Bonita HS (CA)
23. Chicago (AL) – Everett Williams, OF, McCallum HS (TX)
24. Los Angeles (AL) – Max Stassi, C, Yuba City HS (CA)
25. Los Angeles (AL) – Tyler Skaggs, LHP, Santa Monica HS (CA)
26. Milwaukee – Drew Storen, RHP, Stanford
27. Seattle – AJ Pollock, OF, Notre Dame
28. Boston – Matt Purke, LHP, Klein HS (TX)
29. New York (AL) – Tony Sanchez, C, Boston College
30. Tampa Bay – Wil Myers, C, Wesleyan Christian Academy (NC)
31. Chicago (NL) – Eric Arnett, RHP, Indiana
32. Colorado – Garrett Gould, RHP, Maize HS (KS)
http://mlbbonusbaby.com/2009/06/01/2009-amateur-draft-mock-7-rounds-1-3/
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by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Baseball America
I believe he’s our pick in BA’s latest mock also but I don’t have access to that. Anyone able to help us out on that front?
by The Big Hurt on Jun 3, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind, I got it:
23. WHITE SOX. Chicago general manager Kenny Williams can’t get enough up-the-middle athletes, and his team appears to be highest on Everett Williams (no relation) among a crop of athletic high school outfielders that also includes Mike Trout (New Jersey) and Reymond Fuentes (Puerto Rico).
Projected Pick: EVERETT WILLIAMS.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/draft/mock-draft/2009/268203.html
by The Big Hurt on Jun 4, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams
Andy (DC): What can you tell me about Everett Williams?
SportsNation Jim Callis : (2:17 PM ET ) Austin HS outfielder who’s one of the best athletes in the draft. Among the elite high school athletes, he’s the best hitter. I like him and think he’s a first-rounder, just not sure where he goes yet.
by DirtySox on Jun 3, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From PGCrosschecker:
Williams is the type of hitter who feasts on velocity; the harder a pitcher throws, the more aggressive and extended his swing. He has issues with handling offspeed pitches, but his bat speed and power potential are top level. Williams doesn’t look like a classic center fielder with his runningback
build, but has the tools to stay in the middle of the field. He has plus speed and he gets the most out of it as he has very good instincts and gets good jumps on fly balls, especially on balls hit over his head.
by The Big Hurt on Jun 3, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SportingNews
20. Toronto Blue Jays
Andrew Oliver, Oklahoma State, LHP
Went eight strong innings and struck out six but took the loss last time out.
21. Houston Astros
Rex Brothers, Lipscomb, LHP
Struck out nine but gave up four runs in a no-decision.
22. Minnesota Twins
Jared Mitchell, LSU, OF
Limited action this weekend, getting two hits, but played excellent defense.
23. Chicago White Sox
Brett Jackson California, OF
Sox still seeking to replace Aaron Rowand in center. Jackson profiles quite similarly.
24. Los Angeles Angels (from Mets)
Matt Hobgood, Norco (Calif.) HS, RHP
Committed to Cal State Fullerton. Enjoy it now, Titans, because he’ll never set foot on campus.
25. Los Angeles Angels (from Yankees)
Chad James, Yukon (Okla.) HS, LHP
Mid-90s velocity has him moving up the charts. Brother Justin is in the Reds organization.
26. Milwaukee Brewers
Tyler Skaggs, Santa Monica (Calif.) HS, LHP
Injured left ankle. Plus curveball complements a 92-mph fastball. Could move up.
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/MLB_Draft/entry/view/23807/2009_mlb_mock_draft_1st_round
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by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2009 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a reach?
I didn’t think he was a first round talent. Has he been climbing up draft boards lately?
by DirtySox on Jun 3, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2011
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/06/sports_illustra_1.php
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by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2009 3:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He hit .626/.723/1.339 in 115 at-bats. He had 22 doubles, nine triples and 14 home runs, eight of which came in his last seven games. He scored 76 runs while driving in 55. He walked 39 times and struck out just five. He also stole 36 bases in 39 attempts and ended the season on a 23-game hitting streak.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=869
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by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
caught stealing 3x . . . that is just weak.
You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?
by jc2313 on Jun 4, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but
He’s fast enough to have scored from second on six wild pitches this year.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/06/bryce-harper-16yearold-phenom.html
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by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hijinks (by the team lucky enough to draft and sign Harper in 2011 — or 2010 if he can get a “GED credential this summer and enroll in a junior college this fall” as Verducci mentions in his excellent article), yes. Jinx, no.
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by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
merkin's preview of the white sox draft.
snippets:
Pitching always has been a watchword in the White Sox Drafts, but with the players apparently so even, don’t be surprised if the White Sox go after a leadoff-type athletic outfielder with that first pick.
Trend watch
Laumann stressed that the White Sox certainly won’t shy away from taking a high-school talent at No. 23, even though right-handed pitcher Kris Honel (2001) stands as their lone top pick taken without collegiate experience since 2000. While the White Sox went with a polished, Major League-ready sort of collegiate All-American in Beckham in 2008, they are less concerned about the experience in the past two Drafts as they are about the long-term potential to make a significant impact for the high picks. If manager Ozzie Guillen has his way, the White Sox won’t simply take a great athlete with the possibility of developing him. Guillen wants a talented player with strong baseball instincts.
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by larry on Jun 4, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
budget
Through two outstanding Draft classes in 2007 and 2008, Williams believes the White Sox have started to restock a somewhat barren Minor League system. Those picks have been supplemented by the addition via trade of top young players, ranging from John Danks to Dayan Viciedo. The White Sox also are ready for the extra monetary costs that could come from having the pair of compensatory picks added into the equation.
“Obviously we’ve budgeted for it,” Laumann said. "We knew going in. … I’m sure some of the moves Kenny made were made in mind to get an extra pick or two for it. The money is there. [White Sox chairman] Jerry [Reinsdorf] is always receptive.
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by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
goldstein draft notebook
Three Players Moving Up
Tony Sanchez, C, Boston College
Sanchez is the best catcher in this draft, though on pure talent, he’s considered more of a late first-round type by consensus. But as the old draft cliché goes, it takes only one team to push a guy up, and in this case, there are several teams doing so with Sanchez, who some project as a Molina-like defender with a power bat. Kansas City has him in their mix at 12th overall, and there are wild stories of his going even higher than that. A lot of late-spring buzz is generated by who sees who and when, and San Diego brass were paying close attention to Boston College at last weekend’s regional at North Carolina, but they were nowhere to be found for the Tar Heels’ final game, leading to even further wild speculation.
Mike Leake, RHP, Arizona State
He just never stopped dominating. You can ding him a little for his size, but he’s hardly tiny, and he’s a fantastic athlete. Beyond all of the scouting tidbits, take in this quick statistical curiosity: Leake pitches in a very friendly hitters’ park, he pitches in one of the toughest conferences in the game, and he had a brutal schedule. None of those three qualities apply to Steven Strasburg, yet Leake beats the top talent in the draft in ERA, with a 1.23 mark entering super-regional play versus Strasburg’s 1.32. Teams unable to decide among the available high school arms, or turned off by their bonus demands (or both) could be turning to Leake with a single-digit selection.
Mike Trout, OF, Millville HS (NJ)
Trout has been the high school player attracting the most heat in private workouts, showing plus-plus speed, surprising strength in his bat, and very good outfield skills. None of that is a big surprise to anyone, but for a guy that has a reputation for being raw, he’s looking very polished in front of decision-makers. In a draft with little separation among the top 30 talents, the recent workouts and off-the-charts makeup should move Trout up.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8996
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by larry on Jun 4, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mayo's Mock Draft
21. Houston Astros: Jared Mitchell, OF, Louisiana State University
There are varying opinions of Mitchell’s upside as a hitter, but no one doubts his speed and athleticsm. A two-sport standout at LSU, there are plenty who believe his bat speed will turn into power and he’ll develop into a center fielder with power who can steal bases once he’s no longer playing football and can focus only on baseball.
22. Minnesota Twins: Matt Hobgood, RHP, Norco HS, Calif.
Hobgood’s name has been tossed around much higher up and he does seem to be at or near the top of the unofficial “second tier” of high school arms right now. If Hobgood does go earlier, another high school pitcher like Garrett Gould could be in the mix. Offensively, the Twins wouldn’t mind if Borchering were still available in this slot.
23. Chicago White Sox: Michael Trout, OF, Millville HS, NJ
The White Sox had great success with the college bat last year, but there won’t be a Gordon Beckham at this slot. They’ve never been afraid of high school athletes and there are a few who could fit in here. Trout, who was coming on strong as his season in the Northeast extended a bit longer than some other high schoolers, could fit nicely.
24. Los Angeles Angels: Garrett Gould, RHP, Maize HS, Kansas
The temptation is to give the Angels high schoolers and to have them come from Southern California. In this edition, the high schoolers are there, but the Angels will tread outside of state lines, starting with Gould, a fast-rising right-hander from Kansas. He’s got one of the best curves in the class and the Angels were in attendance for his dominant championship-winning start a while back.
25. Los Angeles Angels: Matthew Purke, LHP, Klein HS, Texas
Based on talent alone, Purke likely belongs in the top 10, or at least in that conversation. But talk of a very large bonus demand has caused a slide, and who knows, maybe that was the point. The Angels have not been afraid of “tough signs” over the years and they might be willing to take the chance here. If they were to stay in SoCal, someone like shortstop Jiovanni Mier could come into play.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090604&content_id=5139340&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
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by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So how does this get back on the front page?
Is a new one needed?
by DirtySox on Jun 4, 2009 6:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the reminder
I updated the timestamp
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by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you an editor?
you should be…
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 4, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm the off-menu editor!
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by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hence this comment I once made to you when you first signed up and constantly followed Wiz around pointing out mistakes or wrongful predictions he made...
Not to mention your delight in terrorizing former editors whenever the opportunity arises to “fial.”
…and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 23, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 5, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah I remember that
so wiz is retired?
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 5, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure...."off-menu," apparently. 86'ed!
Yeah, surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 5, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the cheat is cold.
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by larry on Jun 5, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
erik's site links to a bunch of mock drafts.
highlights the cardinals picks but the links are a good one stop.
http://www.futureredbirds.net/2009/06/05/keeping-mock-drafts/
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by larry on Jun 5, 2009 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: the Project Prospect link and Sam Dyson
that’s a name that I hadn’t seen before. His profile certainly looks interesting — fastball sitting in the mid-90s with a good slider. I see he had labrum surgery not too long ago and that there were some questions about whether he was 100% healthy this year — perhaps a chance to ‘buy low’. Any thoughts?
And as a more general question — what allows a college player to be draft eligible as a sophomore?
by CWSKeith on Jun 5, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe the Sox are a special case
but anything in the shoulder area, i’d stay waaaaay far away from.
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by colintj on Jun 5, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't think about the "shoulder issues + pitcher = not good" problem
regarding Wilson, though, TJ ain’t nearly the death knell that shoulder surgery is, right?
by CWSKeith on Jun 5, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TJ is not a death knell, no.
but you can get it again. the replacement parts have a shelf life if you’re still doing all the things that necessitated TJ in the first place, so it can lead to a second TJ.
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by colintj on Jun 6, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
four year college players eligible after age 21, as well.
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by larry on Jun 5, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Wilson appears to be in that same mold
I thought I read (here?) that full recovery from Tommy John is two years, so it’s gotta be encouraging that Wilson was getting it done only one year removed from TJ. I’m gonna have to take a look at those two a bit more closely…
by CWSKeith on Jun 5, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA's mock draft #3...
And it’s like déjà vu all over again:
23. WHITE SOX. Chicago is another team looking at athletic outfielders (Williams, Trout, Puerto Rican high schooler Reymond Fuentes, Jackson). If Brothers, Arnett or James slipped, the White Sox could go with a pitcher.
Projected Pick: EVERETT WILLIAMS.
by The Big Hurt on Jun 5, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where do they have James and Brothers going?
by DirtySox on Jun 5, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brothers at 19
James at 20
Arnett at 18
Borchering at 17
by The Big Hurt on Jun 5, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh...
of the potential first-round outfielders, is there one who’s less exciting than Williams? I’d be much happier with Wheeler (especially if the Sox scouts feel the power he’s showing this year is legit).
by CWSKeith on Jun 5, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very unlikely that
Wheeler makes it to them . . . I would be surprised if many had Williams ranked ahead of Wheeler on their respective board. I would prefer Trout to all except Wheeler, but I think they will end up with an arm anyway. There are more quality first round arms in this draft than anything else, so that just seems to be the likely best value that falls to them.
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by jc2313 on Jun 6, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I missed it, but which arms are you particularly keen on?
by CWSKeith on Jun 6, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I dont know what the budget constraints are
but there are 3 wildcard arms that would be great to have . . . Purke, Scheppers or Gibson. I find it likely that 1 or more than 1 will still be there for different reasons. Other than that, of those likely to be in play at 22, Brothers/Arnett/Hobgood/James would all be fine by me. If they are all gone, I would be happy with Trout. My guess is that someone from those mentioned will be there, though we shall see. The one name that I dont like that is in the first round mix is Minor. I cant help but think he is Jeremy Sowers lite.
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by jc2313 on Jun 6, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gibson Has Stress Fracture
Posted Jun. 6, 2009 12:20 pm by Jim Callis
Filed under: College, Draft Dope
Missouri righthander Kyle Gibson, the No. 4 prospect on BA’s Top 200 Draft Prospects list, has a stress fracture in his right forearm and will be shut down for six weeks. This obviously will affect him in Tuesday’s draft, when he was projected to go in the top half of the first round.
Gibson last pitched on May 30 against Monmouth in the NCAA regionals. Though he pitched eight shutout innings for the victory, his fastball sat at 83-86 mph. After the game he spoke of having forearm tightness, which often is a precursor to torn elbow ligaments and Tommy John surgery.
The recovery time for the stress fracture should be much quicker than it would have been for reconstructive elbow surgery. Gibson should be able to throw for the team that drafts him before the Aug. 15 signing deadline.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=959
by The Big Hurt on Jun 6, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Purke is after a ridiculous bonus, somewhere in the $7m range is being quoted. I love Scheppers though, I have him #3 on my draft board.
by The Big Hurt on Jun 6, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you liked Gibson despite those gun readings and the stress fracture?
same with Scheppers. injury begets more injury as far as i’m aware. i want a clean bill of health, perhaps first and foremost.
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by colintj on Jun 6, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he slides significantly
then I would consider taking him, but not with the first or even second pick. However, a good pitching coach can fix the flaw that causes him to put stress on his arm and most young pitchers are injury risks. Scheppers won’t make it far enough for us to debate it. He has the second best known college stuff in the draft class. Another injury risk with upside is Sam Dyson. Alex White is another one. Really, I’ve seen patterns develop with this kind of thing, and that is, Any pitcher who throws hard is a big injury risk.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 6, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you've seen the flaw and found it fixable?
as for the patterns, they all throw hard.
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by colintj on Jun 6, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I would take Gibson if he fell
in a heartbeat. He will likely be recovered from the injury before you even sign him anyway. The injury is the ONLY reason he would make it down to 22. If it is truly a stress fracture and that is it, I would absolutely do that. That would be close to top 10 talent at 22. And regarding Purke, I obviously listed there are caveats with those 3. Scheppers is going to require large $ as well, that is the exact reason those guys will fall, hence the budget comment. And it is unlikely just because those are ‘quoted’ numbers that is what it would take. Boras wants $50M for Strasburg too, not going to happen.
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by jc2313 on Jun 6, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
brandon mccarthy is a cautionary about stress fractures in pitching arms.
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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, however,
based on the very little knowledge I have, I would have no problem looking at him in the late part of round 1 or in the supplemental round. In reality, that is entirely up to your medical staff though . . . I would just take a hard look though and I am sure they will.
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by jc2313 on Jun 8, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not sure it's medical staff.
when you’re breaking bones and incurring other injuries that are out of the ordinary (using the general pitching population as the reference), i’m not sure i think you want to rely on your medical staff or your pitching coaches to rectify the situation. such players tend to be doing something really, really bad to their arms (moreso than other pitchers) and/or are inherently injury prone for some other reason (genetic).
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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe but I am not sure
his mechanics were so out of whack from other potential draftees to suggest he is more of an injury risk . . . because of said mechanics. Most of the reports I have read suggest the opposite. I cant speak for genetics and I dont know there is enough data out there to support that type of decision.
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by jc2313 on Jun 8, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there probably isn't.
which is why i’d be concerned about that risk.
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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've spoke to a few in the know
who believed Gibson to be an injury risk beforehand.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 8, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
iawtp
it looks like there’s just a ton of arms without a lot to differentiate between them. i’m hoping against a high school pick, since the Sox track record isn’t so hot.
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by colintj on Jun 6, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the flux of pitching dissipates by the second round, IMO
and frankly, the college bats this year suck. Besides, it isn’t like the college players have done much better, and Williams has never taken a high-school position player first. I wouldn’t mind them going after Reymond Fuentes, Michael Trout or Everett Williams, especially with their second pick if any of them last that far, which I doubt highly the latter two will. There is also a flux of catching talent; Luke Bailey should slide due to his elbow ligament surgery, but was the top catching prospect a few months ago. Andrew Susac is a name that interests me.
For anyone that cares, so far I’ve taken Tim Wheeler, Reymond Fuentes and Andrew Susac in the Project Prospect mock draft.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 6, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
goldstein's top 50 draft talents
a sampling:
18. Everett Williams, OF, McCallum HS
The Good: An excellent athlete with above-average speed and one of the quickest bats among all high school players in the draft; he also has surprising power for his size, and the wheels to stay in center field.
The Bad: As good as the tools are, his 5-foot-10 frame could limit his projection, and his overall game is a little rough around the edges.
In A Perfect World He Becomes: A smaller Mike Cameron. He is a bit bulky, so could end up moving to a corner, which would make his development significantly more difficult.
19. Rex Brothers, LHP, Lipscomb
The Good: He has the kind of power stuff rarely found in a left-hander, with a fastball that has been clocked as high as 98 mph, and he also has a hard, biting slider.
The Bad: For a pitcher with his arsenal at a small college, he wasn’t nearly as dominant as one might expect; his inconsistent mechanics lead to control issues; the fastball straightens out when he overthrows it.
In A Perfect World He Becomes: A dominating power arm, but many feel that he’s better suited for bullpen work.
20. Tony Sanchez, C, Boston College
The Good: He’s an athletic catcher, and one that has the potential to be an absolute shutdown defender in the big leagues, with outstanding actions behind the plate and a very good arm; he offers above-average power for the position; he possesses all of the baseball intelligence and leadership qualities one looks for in a big-league catcher.
The Bad: His swing has some length and loopiness, which will likely prevent him from ever hitting for a high batting average.
In A Perfect World He Becomes: An everyday catcher with Gold Glove potential and above-average offense. The defense alone should at least get him to the majors.
21. Eric Arnett, RHP, Indiana
The Good: The fastest riser among college arms, he generated an enormous amunt of buzz over the last month with his massive frame, 95 mph fastball, and plus slider; he repeats his mechanics well, and he has outstanding stamina.
The Bad: He rarely throws a changeup; the slider can become inconsistent at times; there is some concern over his lack of a track record, as this was his first successful year.
In A Perfect World He Becomes: A durable, above-average innings-eater.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9017
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by larry on Jun 6, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sickels mock draft going on right now
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/6/6/900982/mock-draft-first-round#comments
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by larry on Jun 6, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Phew just finished!
Here were the picks,
23- Eric Arnett, RHP, Indiana
38- Tony Sanchez, C, Boston College
61- Keyvius Sampson, RHP, Forest HS (Fla.)
71- Brian Goodwin, OF, Rocky Mountain HS (NC)
102- Blake Smith, RHP, Cal
Regretted the Blake Smith pick almost immediately but am very pleased with the rest.
by The Big Hurt on Jun 6, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it
I probably would have gone with one of the high-upside outfielders with the first pick. The Sox won’t take Goodwin, a Boras client, but it’s a mock draft. I hadn’t heard of Sampson before, he seems like a really interesting pick. There’s an online interview with him, and he had a gun altercation at one point and lost his mother due to a heart-attack. He seems to have a good attitude through it all, with great stuff and a good build, but the altercation probably killed his stock. He’s sort of committed to Florida State. Sanchez is a great supp. pick, people are too critical of his offense and is great defensively. Smith is an outfielder too, right? I hadn’t heard of him either.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 6, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
give us a rundown on your thoughts on the players you got
and the ones you wanted, how the draft went, etc?
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by colintj on Jun 6, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
23- Eric Arnett, RHP, Indiana
Arnett was my target coming into the draft so I was obviously very happy that he was still around for me at 23. I think he’s quite underrated and perhaps that’s because people think he may be a one year wonder but I’ve watched him several times now and am sold, he’s the real deal. He’s got a good fastball which he can dial up to 96 and he holds his velocity deep into games. His slider is another strikeout pitch to go along with the FB, he also has an improving change which will be the key in determining whether he can be the #2/3 starter I project him as.
Other players considered at this spot: Tim Wheeler
38- Tony Sanchez, C, Boston College
I wanted Heckathorn with this pick coming into the draft but was thrilled when Sanchez fell and so I scooped him up at 38. Catcher is one of the Sox’ thinnest positions so bolstering that spot was a big aim of mine and I think I did that with Sanchez. He doesn’t walk enough or hit for enough power to become a star player but he still has the potential to become an above average offensive and defensive catcher
Other players considered at this spot: Kyle Heckathorn, Rich Poythress
61- Keyvius Sampson, RHP, Forest HS (Fla.)
High school pitching wasn’t in the plan but I couldn’t pass Sampson up at 61. Sampson has a quick arm producing good velocity having hit 96 this year, to go along with the fastball he has a power curve and will also throw in the occasional change up. The change shows a lot of promise but currently ranks as the worst of his three pitches. He’s shown good control and has been able to consistently repeat his delivery. Lots of upside here.
Other players considered at this spot: Victor Black
71- Brian Goodwin, OF, Rocky Mount HS, (NC)
I really wanted Victor Black at this pick and when he went at #70 it threw me off causing me to panic a bit and take Brian Goodwin. I noted in the draft thread that this wasn’t a realistic White Sox pick because he’s a Boras client but I took him anyway. Goodwin has a lot of upside and on talent alone I had him ranked in the supplemental 1st range, he hasn’t hit for the power that the Trout’s and Everett Williams’ have but even still his 5 tools all project to be at least average.
Other players considered at this spot: LeVon Washington, Chris Dwyer
102- Blake Smith, RHP/OF, California
This was easily my least liked pick of the draft, Smith has good stuff but his command is poor and he gets hit around a lot. I’m not sure if I prefer him on the mound or in the field, I’d like to see how his power develops, he could become a solid big league right fielder but he’ll need to de a lot of developing for that to happen. In hindsight I should have taken Ben Tootle but other than this pick I am very happy with how the draft went.
Other players considered at this spot: Ben Tootle
by The Big Hurt on Jun 7, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Sickels' take
COMMENT: This is a good mixture of talent. Arnett and Sanchez are polished college players, with Sanchez in particular being a potential bargain at 38. Sampson and Goodwin provide high-upside ability. I’m a particular fan of Sampson, but Goodwin could have some signability issues with Boras and North Carolina being factors. Blake Smith has a great baseball name and two-way ability. He is much more polished as an outfielder than as a pitcher. I don’t know if the real White Sox would have a huge interest in Arnett and Sanchez, but as a theoretical use of multiple picks this is a sound draft.
by The Big Hurt on Jun 7, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is good stuff, thanks
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 7, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009 MLB Draft Preview: Scouting LHP Tyler Skaggs
http://www.baseball-intellect.com/scouting-tyler-skaggs/
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by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be elated
if he fell to us in the supplemental round.
by DirtySox on Jun 7, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA Fantasy Draft
What’s more fun than playing scouting director? Playing scouting director for 16 teams. Our draft experts, Jim Callis and John Manuel, alternate picks and let you know who they’d choose if they were running the draft for each club, staying true to their finances and needs.
23. WHITE SOX (Jim). I’ll take athletic outfielders for $200, Alex. GM Kenny Williams loves athletes, loves them, and his team really needs a center fielder of the future. Outside of Donavan Tate, Louisiana State outfielder Jared Mitchell is as athletic as it gets in this draft. He also doubles as a wide receiver for the football team, and while he still has to figure things out with the bat, he made impressive and encouraging strides this year.
by DirtySox on Jun 8, 2009 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I could definitely see that happening
While I wouldn’t be wholly opposed to that pick, I can’t say I’m fond of his k-rate — it’s at almost 25% of his plate appearances. He’s got 61 Ks — the next closest on his team is at 44 and Mitchell doesn’t even lead his team in PAs.
Quick question — would Matt Hobgood be a reach at #23? He’s certainly got one helluva build but it’s somewhat dissappointing that he’s only throwing around 90 MPH. Is there some projectability there?
by CWSKeith on Jun 8, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not at 23, please.
Mitchell that is. I’m not a big fan of high-school pitchers, but hey…
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 8, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely not a reach,
very well might not be there . . . throws in the low 90s, 90-94, so I wouldnt consider that disappointing, great curve and projectable change and slider. For example, in Sickels mock draft he could not believe he was still there at 29 . . . Both Sickels and Law have him right about 20 in their overall rankings.
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by jc2313 on Jun 8, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Law's updated mock today
has Hobgood gone at #11
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by jc2313 on Jun 8, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Law's updated mock
23. Chicago White Sox
Rex Brothers, LHP, Lipscomb: College pitchers here, or Trout or Fuentes.
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by jc2313 on Jun 8, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuentes is going to bust
A leadoff hitter that can’t walk? I’ll pass.
by The Big Hurt on Jun 8, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed . . . would not mind Trout though
Would like the Brothers pick as well . . . your pick of Arnett would be great, just dont see him making it to 22.
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by jc2313 on Jun 8, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point I think Fuentes or Williams would be the only two picks I'd really dislike
the Fuentes/Williams mock drafts seems like it could also just be people doing the, “OMG Ozzie luvs smallball so they’re going to take the slap-hitting speedster.”
Are there any pitchers in that mold? I know Minor is a name that has generally drawn some aversion… any others?
by CWSKeith on Jun 8, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minor and Mike Leake
Those are the only two pitchers with a first round grade that I dislike. I realise I’m about the only person who dislikes Leake but he doesn’t have a strikeout pitch and for me, pitchers like that are a big risk, but Leake won’t get anywhere near 23 so it’s all moot.
Oh, I don’t like Drew Storen either if drafted as a reliever.
by The Big Hurt on Jun 8, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on all fronts though
it sounds like many are on Storen to move him back to starting . . . not sure if I am crazy about that at 22 either though.
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by jc2313 on Jun 8, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we really dont need a center fielder right now
with Jordan Danks
pitching please!
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 8, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not sure that you avoid
the top prospect on your board based on a player that is currently in AA right now. But that is me. If Trout or Wheeler are available and you think they are the best available . . . you take them. I am not reaching for a pitcher because we have Jordan Danks.
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by jc2313 on Jun 8, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed -- best player available, regardless of position. If both players (in this case Danks and, say, Trout) turn out like you hope, that's a good problem to have.
by CWSKeith on Jun 8, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that doesnt happen
and Im of the opinion that quite a few will have to come off the board before Trout or Wheeler are best available in my book(from what I read). Im not banking on Danks(although Ill admit I was the first into his bandwagon after GoBe was called up), but why settle for a backup outfielder at best when you can get potential starting pitching?
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 8, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a backup OF?
That doesnt even make sense
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by jc2313 on Jun 9, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's plenty of chance Danks washes out
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by colintj on Jun 8, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you cannot emphasize the "plenty" in that enough.
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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping for Brothers
his mechanics need cleaning, but his stuff is as good as and more polished than Poreda’s was.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 8, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about his breaking stuff?
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by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Filthy slider
Law calls it plus currently with the potential of being above plus (or whatever the hell you call the grade between plus and plus-plus). Changeup is considerably behind the fastball and slider.
by The Big Hurt on Jun 8, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
change is more important
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by colintj on Jun 8, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He clearly needs to develop
the change to maximize his potential along with refining some mechanics, but that is hardly different than many other potential choices. And the downside with Brothers is much higher than many others as the fastball/slider combo plays up in the bullpen, so the downside is a plus reliever.
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by jc2313 on Jun 9, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
slider grades out higher than the fastball
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The 2009 MLB Draft's College Hitters Crop
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/6/8/902081/the-2009-mlb-drafts-college
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by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 6:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is one crappy group of college hitters
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by jc2313 on Jun 8, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mayo's latest
20. Toronto Blue Jays: Tim Wheeler, OF, Sacramento State
There remains the possibility that the Jays will be a little adventurous and take a high school bat, but the college-bat route seems like a more plausible route. Wheeler, Pollock and Sanchez could all be considered.
Last week’s projection: Everett Williams
21. Houston Astros: Jared Mitchell, OF, Louisiana State
Mitchell, the best athlete among the college hitters, still seems like he could fit well in this system.
22. Minnesota Twins: Matt Hobgood, RHP, Norco HS, Calif.
Hobgood might be gone earlier, in which case the Twins could consider another high school arm like Garrett Gould or a high school bat like Michael Trout or Everett Williams. They’re still discussing the “what if” scenario if Gibson drops this far, which he may very well do.
23. Chicago White Sox: Everett Williams, OF, McCallum HS, Texas
The thinking has been toolsy bat in this spot and that still could be Trout or Williams. In the last projection, Williams was off the board. In this one, he’s not.
Last week’s projection: Trout
24. Los Angeles Angels: Michael Trout, OF, Milville HS, N.J.
The toolsy outfielder from the Northeast lands here, with his name being mentioned all over the place. There are some SoCal prepsters you know the Angels would consider with their two picks should they be here, like Hobgood or maybe even catcher Cameron Garfield, who’s impressed in workouts. Gould remains a possibility.
Last week’s projection: Gould
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090608&content_id=5206496&vkey=draft2009&fext=.jsp
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by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather Trout than Williams
but there is an upside factor there
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 8, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the (general) opinion on Willams' power potential?
The mlb draft report made it seem like he’s basically just (and is going to be) a gap-to-gap slap hitter, but I thought I read someone (Law, perhaps?) throwing out a Mike Cameron comparison (indicating that there’s at least a little bit of power potential in his bat).
All this uncertainty from 10 on (probably even earlier) has me pretty excited. If the Sox have done their homework and have allocated the necessary amount of funds, they should be able to infuse the system with some real talent.
by CWSKeith on Jun 8, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: gibson injury
any idea how much medical info do teams get before the draft?
one cleveland guy wants a medical combine:
Brad Grant, the Indians’ director of amateur scouting, said at some point the draft has to be redesigned to include a “medical combine” for teams to examine players before the draft.
“We’re the only sport right now that doesn’t have one,” said Grant. "It’s something that we feel we need. Especially, because right now the College World Series is going on. All these players have played; there’s been recent injuries that you don’t have time to assess.
“If you have a medical combine, it would give you a lot more security in who you’re taking. Especially with the amount of money we’re spending.”
A medical combine might involve making the draft later in the year.
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by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't believe any.
unless the player gives it to a team. the rare instances i can remember it occurring is when a guy was coming off a serious injury and the player wanted to show that he was healthy.
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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MDGonzales: Scouting director Doug Laumann sounded as if the Sox lean toward an athletic OF with 1st pick, leery of HS kids, need catching depth.
Link: http://twitter.com/MDGonzales/statuses/2080733456
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by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 10:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like Mitchell
I’m thinking, though, that if Wheeler falls, the Sox won’t pass on him. Good combo of speed and power, premium defensive position (without too many questions about if he’ll remain in CF). Is Wheeler the guy who did well in the Cape Cod League (or in another wooden-bat league?) or am I confusing him with USC’s Grant Green? In any case I’d be pretty pleased if we do end up with Wheeler at #23.
by CWSKeith on Jun 9, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like they want Wheeler
or Mitchell, but I wouldn’t like that. They can probably get Mitchell or Kentrail Davis at 38 if they really want an athletic college OF. Really, the prep depth is so much more, but if they nabbed Wheeler, it’d be cool. I have a feeling a team looking to save money will take him though, like AZ or OAK.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 9, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlikely Mitchell makes it to 38, if he did
I am sure they would jump at that opportunity.
You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?
by jc2313 on Jun 9, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA's Mock 4.0
23. WHITE SOX. Chicago gets linked more to athletic outfielders than any other position, but don’t be surprised if it pounced on Arnett or Jenkins should they somehow fall. Otherwise, the White Sox will probably go for Williams or Mitchell, both of whom should sign for slot. Sanchez could go here as well, and this could be the high-water mark for fast-rising Oklahoma righthander Garrett Richards.
Projected Pick: EVERETT WILLIAMS.
by DirtySox on Jun 9, 2009 9:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
interview with sickels re: draft
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/6/9/903218/interview-with-john-sickels-open
White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry
by larry on Jun 9, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
goldstein's final mock
23. Chicago White Sox: The Sox have learned their lesson after wasting first-round picks on low-ceiling pitchers like Lance Broadway and Kyle McCulloch. They’re focused solely on upside this year, with the obvious names (Williams, Jackson, Heathcott) all in play, although they’re not ruling out a high school arm. From among what’s left, Williams is the best talent.
Pick: Everett Williams, OF, McCallum HS (TX)
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9031
White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry
by larry on Jun 9, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
new draft thread is up
http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/6/9/903744/draft-day
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 9, 2009 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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