Top and Bottom 10 Seasons for 3B by WAR
by U-God on May 29, 2009 1:30 PM CDT
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PrintI felt like we could use a new post (of course, then the Quentin DL news broke) so I went back to the WAR Database to look at third base this time. I think third is appropriate, as Fields is doing nothing and our Lord and Savior is fast approaching. Once again, this is not a complete list as the database only goes back to 1955 so I don't want to hear about Buck Weaver.
Top 10:
| Rank | Name | Season | WAR |
| 1 | Robin Ventura | 1992 | 6.5 |
| 1 | Pete Ward | 1964 | 6.5 |
| 3 | Robin Ventura | 1998 | 6.0 |
| 4 | Robin Ventura | 1993 | 5.8 |
| 5 | Bill Melton | 1971 | 5.5 |
| 6 | Robin Ventura | 1991 | 5.3 |
| 7 | Robin Ventura | 1996 | 4.9 |
| 8 | Robin Ventura | 1995 | 4.7 |
| 8 | Pete Ward | 1963 | 4.7 |
| 10 | Don Buford | 1966 | 4.3 |
The Bottom 11 (there was a five-way tie)
| Rank | Name | Season | WAR |
| 1 | Chris Snopek | 1997 | -1.4 |
| 2 | Greg Norton | 1999 | -.9 |
| 3 | Kevin Bell | 1980 | -.6 |
| 3 | Syd O'Brien | 1970 | -.6 |
| 5 |
Ed Spiezio | 1972 | -.4 |
| 6 | Tim Hulett | 1987 | -.2 |
| 7 | Vance Law | 1984 | .1 |
| 7 | Jim Morrison | 1981 | .1 |
| 7 | Aurelio Rodriguez | 1982 | .1 |
| 7 | Herb Perry | 2001 | .1 |
| 7 | Josh Fields | 2007 | .1 |
Some Observations:
- Damn, Robin Ventura was the man. Taking six of the top ten spots is impressive enough, but his 1997 season impresses me even more. That was the year he mangled his ankle in spring training and was almost lost for the entire year. In 54 games he managed to be worth two wins above replacement.
- And his replacements were terrible. Snopek, Norton, and Perry's 2001 season were all worse than Robin's seasons in Queens.
- There were a lot of 2-3 WAR seasons that did not make the cut, we've had some solid players at the hot corner over the last 44 years.
- And my favorite: Jim Morrison didn't really die, he just went away for ten years and decided to come play lackluster baseball for the Sox.
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Oh jeez
Chris Snopek and Tim Hulett? Thanks a lot, I thought I’d fed every last molecule of memory of them through the mental shredder and you have to summon their names from the grave.
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
Chris Snopek was the man!
hey THE KIDS CAN PLAY!
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on May 29, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Worst. Campaign. Ever.
Formerly Crede's Crew
you are correct
mea culpa
" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT
timmy hulett put up t-flowers type stats in AA
only he was younger at the time.
Timmy Hulett was Hawk's wunderkind IIRC
He traded Bobby Bonilla to make room for him at 3B, cause Timmy Ballgame was ready.
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
my first white sox game
I was about 8 years old, and had never lived in Chicago, and didn’t quite understand why my dad liked baseball so much. But of course, I was excited to go to a baseball game anyway.
THere were two like 40-year-old guys sitting in front of us, and Robin Ventura came up to plate. He gets a very nice ovation from the crowd, bigger than for the other players [save Thomas], and The one guy asks his friend ‘How come Ventura is so popular?" The other guy just shrugs, then the first says "Oh, I know! It’s because he has the same number as Jordan!’
even as an eight year old I thought that was really stupid, and it stuck with me to this day.
also, Josh Fields has not had a very good season, and he may not be good at baseball.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on May 29, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
ok, my ventura story
i was at the game when he broke his 0-41 streak during his rookie year. got a single on a swinging bunt off clemens. the next time up he drilled a homer to deep right center in old comiskey.
I was only slightly younger than that when I first beheld Ventura/my first Sox game...
and he became my favorite instantly because 1. he was cute, and 2. he was #23 (my birthdate).
Still to this day, one of my favorite Sox players (in the top 3).
Seeing him in the dugout last series was heavenly. I’d love to have him take Walker’s spot.
by homesickalien on May 29, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
you mean walker's not good at what he does?
Formerly Crede's Crew
My Ventura memory was when he had that nasty slide into home
and dislocated his ankle. Even though he and Frank butted heads sometimes, it was Frank who helped him off the field, held his hand and stuff like that.
Ventura is definetly in my top 3 too and I can only hope Becks can be like him.
He does need to replace walker, though you could just say I have a strange affinity for 3basemen,(which I do).
Colon, who after pitching 5 scoreless innings, had to leave the game with an upset stomach.
Nice caption on the pic too!
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
Because Santo has no legs
and it’s been 40 years since he’s had occasion to click his heels?
BWAHAHAHA!
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
The sox marketing is doing something for that oakland series
I just received sms from a friend for good seats for $27, probably similar promo as this. Might take them.
Lupe, release the balloons!
they should raise ticket prices
to make the sox seem more “exclusive.”
that worked great at yankee stadium and citi
Formerly Crede's Crew
How dare you disparage the good name of Herbert "The Milkman" Perry
Formerly Crede's Crew
I know, I can't believe he was right at replacement level in 2000
I have memories of Herbert kicking serious ass that year.
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
actually
you remember right
" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT
looking at my notes again it was 2001 he sucked big
" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT
in 2000 he was worth 3.1 WAR
" You know...
I think this technique of using the ninth inning of close ballgames as extended spring training for pitchers who’ve missed time due to injury might not be a great idea."
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 1:16 PM PDT
Good grief, Konerko was playing third early in 2000
Spelling Craig Wilson. I’d completely forgotten that. Sheesh.
You owe Herbert, and SSS, a big apology
It’s all coming back to me, he went from hero in 2000 to total hole of suck in 2001.
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
yeah, that 2001 team spiraled down quite fast
what a glorious year the year before though
Formerly Crede's Crew
Just like the stock market.
Well, sort of.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
today's lineup
Podsednik lf
Ramirez ss
Dye rf
Thome dh
Konerko 1b
Pierzynski c
Anderson cf
Getz 2b
Fields 3b
Richard p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Don't worry
Walk’s taken on Fields as a pet project, he’ll work his way out of this.
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
today's lineup
Gallagher, CF
Manrique, 2B
Redus, LF
Calderon, RF
Walker, 1B
Morman, DH
Guillen, SS
Lyons, 3B
Karkovice, C
Ah yes, Fredo Manrique: "I can handle 2b, I'm smart, not like everybody says. Not dumb, I'm smart, and I want respect!"
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on May 29, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even the hats sucked in '88.
What a POS team. Gallagher in CF was entertaining with his watermelons, though.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
for real...I was young, but remember some bad teams
we’d go twice a year…once for CPS honor roll free tix and to a yankee game (my dad’s a fan).
Best thing to happen to us was going to the current uniforms
Formerly Crede's Crew
Are you kidding? The campbell's soup-label "C" hats fuggin' rock.
by CWSKeith on May 29, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on May 29, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
I wear one with pride
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
Thanks for your opinion, but it is irrelavant
OPOS
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
or irrelevant, whichever you prefer
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
How about irrelyvant. Like Wymyn.
You West Coast POS.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
agreed Wu, agreed.....(Hoytsstash's irrelevant opinion)
" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST
I mean earrellahvant
" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST
The Sox had issues with their graphic design department that lasted until
’93.
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for all you youngsters out there
freddie also had a pair of red glasses exactly like that. ozzie and freddie were great at turning the DP though.
gotta admit, the glasses were pretty awesome
but they didn’t help his hitting much
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
The Hubble Telescope wouldn't have helped his hitting.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
he wasn't that bad actually...
i think he had some personality “issues.” he was out of professional baseball at the age of 29 despite being able to play 2b/ss/3b. had an 82 OPS+, which is not good by any means, but certainly good enough to stick around as a UT.
A random thought:
Who’s the no-talent DB on SNL that plays Obama? Isn’t his first name Fred? Manrique reminds me of him. They probably would both hit the same.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Don't watch SNL
but he was good on 30 rock, and that episode of Tom goes to the mayor.
Hated him in Anchorman, though.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on May 29, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Too many swings and misses for my taste.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Now THAT's a baseball player !
" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST
Is that the "Pay It Forward" guy?
Or the Mel Gibson “Man Without A Face” guy?
Or Billy Idol’s “Eyes Without A Face”?
(Wined up. Been a long short week.)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Big Ed is up there
http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/1680
370 IP too
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Fields...
if he plays the rest of the year, and gets, hmmm…. say 500 AB’s, what do ya think his WAR will be then?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
it would be kinda nice if he got 500 ABs
so we would know exactly what he is….otherwise in the future we will hear “well, he’s never really gotten a fair chance.”
Good god, y'all.
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
...what is it GOOD FOR, absolutely nothin' say it again.....
" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST
i see what you did there
Formerly Crede's Crew
It only took 4 posts, eh, Q?
DL for you.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
suck it up Q! you have 5 days
“I think that injury is not that bad,” Guillen said. “We cannot be playing short-handed for six to seven days.” Quentin is recovering from plantar fasciitis in his left foot.
Guillen added that pitcher Jose Contreras could be recalled to start one of the games in the June 8 doubleheader, but that a tougher decision awaits after he pitches.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
If Richard keeps pitching well
Bullpen for the Count?
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on May 29, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
PF does not exist in Venezuela.
Chavez has nationalized it.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
he's back
The Washington Nationals have recalled right-hander Mike MacDougal from triple-A Syracuse and optioned catcher Luke Montz to double-A Harrisburg.
The moves, made before Washington’s game Friday at the Philadelphia Phillies, are another effort to help the Nationals bullpen.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
saturday's game
The first 20,000 fans receive a free jersey as part of the Royals’ annual Salute to the Negro Leagues. The Royals will wear the home uniforms of the 1924 Monarchs; the White Sox will wear the road uniforms of the 1926 Chicago American Giants.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/royals/story/1223743.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Contreras update
Jose Contreras is targeted to return to the Sox to pitch one of the games of a June 8 doubleheader against Detroit.
“But the problem is after the doubleheader what are we going to do,” Guillen said. “We’re going to keep him for one more start and see if he continues to pitch the way he’s pitching right now.”
Contreras has a 3.04 ERA with 24 strikeouts in 26 2/3 innings at Triple-A Charlotte. His split-finger fastball has been effective.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-30-whitesox-bitsmay30,0,4617836.story
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Quentin update
Guillen expressed confidence that Quentin will return to the active roster when he’s eligible on June 10.
“We have faith that the injury isn’t that bad,” Guillen said. “We cannot be playing short [handed] for six to seven days. That’s our problem. He should be back on the day he’s supposed to be back.”
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Third time this has been posted.
Enough redundancy, already!
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
split-finger fastball??!?!
i’m really annoyed by that. in order to not use some more professional sounding nomenclature, they make it even less descriptive of what contreras throws. fabulous.
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