White Sox Season Over: White Sox Minor League Update
by larry on May 5, 2009 10:02 AM CDT
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As far as no-hitters go, this one was hardly the type that ends with the pitcher jumping into his catcher's arms before getting swarmed by his teammates.
Aaron Poreda will take it, just the same.
The former first-round pick struck out eight and walked five over five hitless innings Monday as the Birmingham Barons blanked the West Tenn Diamond Jaxx, 3-0, in front of 1,795 wet fans at Regions Park.
"It feels awesome," Poreda said. "I haven't thrown one since high school and it's quite a feeling. For me personally, it wouldn't be as nice as it would if I had pitched all nine innings, but on the scoreboard it says complete-game no-hitter. You just have to appreciate it because it doesn't happen very often."
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alright, here's a comp for you
flowers to tettleton
Yay no-hitter!
I’ll take any positive news I can get these days.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
Whatever, it still goes in the record book
Aaron Poreda, LHP White Sox (Double-A Birmingham)
Monday’s stats: 5 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 5 BB, 8 K
It was a messy five hitless innings for Poreda as beyond the five walks, he also hit a batter and was already up to 85 pitches, with just 46 of them going for strikes. Then the rain came, the rain didn’t stop, the game was called, and Poreda suddenly had himself a little piece of history. The 16 walks in 27.1 innings is more than a bit concerning, but at the same time, the Southern League is hitting just .165 against Poreda, and on a pure scouting level, you don’t need more than one hand to count the number of lefties who can match his size or velocity.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8829
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especially if you're this guy
"I am amazed we’re as high as 17th in the baserunning metric, and can’t even imagine what Atlanta must be doing to be graded that much worse — seriously, do they just swing then roam randomly around the infield oblivious of the concept of the "base"?." -TAEG
which one is the thumb?
BM: 'Oh, we've ruined millions of lives. They're just being babies about it." 8-Bit Theater
Why doesn't Carlos Torres get any press
The guy has pitched 24 of 25 scorless innings and has a ERA below 1.00………. Why can’t we get this guy a call up?
here
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1929
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
carlos doesn't have an out pitch. he has three average pitches.
which could be fine. but he’s somewhat inefficient and lacks stamina. coupled with the above, i think he’d be hard-pressed to last five innings at the major league level at this point.
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Average stuff? Stamina?
Torres was slated to be a bullpen pitcher this year and probably conditioned himself for that role….do most pitchers with no “out pitch” generally have the most K’s on their team and a sub 1 ERA? This guy must be pretty lucky to put up numbers with such average stuff…….. If only he had an above average pitch, maybe he could lead the team in nearly every relevant pitching stat…oh wait he already does.
seeing as today is may 6th
no
"I am amazed we’re as high as 17th in the baserunning metric, and can’t even imagine what Atlanta must be doing to be graded that much worse — seriously, do they just swing then roam randomly around the infield oblivious of the concept of the "base"?." -TAEG
leading the knights is, like keith said, totally meaningless. the team sucks.
and here’s a guy averaging 20 K per 10 innings. let me know what you think a guy of his prospects.
and, no, he was not “slated to be a bullpen pitcher this year”. he was slated to start for the knights. is this guy your brother or something? guys who have three average pitches are fine. they’re better than most. and they tend to end up being backend starters.
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.You may want to double check on where he was slated to pitch this year
Larry, Torres was slated to pitch in the bullpen for the AA team, when cassel got hurt they decided to plug Torres in to the rotation…..My guess is if Torres goes to the show it will be in the bullpen. (probably why torres throws exclusively out of the stretch)……not his brother, just saw him throw this year and was impressed……Having never seen your guy throw, I don’t know to much…. he seems to have the right frame to be succesful, but his last two appearences have been a little rough. I’m guessing he throws pretty hard, and is working on refining some complimentry stuff. Am I close?
No-No? Technically, Yes
White Sox lefthander Aaron Poreda, the club’s first-round pick in ’07, shut out West Tenn for five innings Monday night, despite issuing five walks and hitting a batter. But because the game was called at that point due to rain, and because Poreda had allowed no baserunners via a hit, the Double-A Birmingham lefty is credited with a no-hitter, the Southern League’s first this season.
“He did a great job in the stretch,” Birmingham pitching coach J.R. Perdew told The Birmingham News. “That’s when he was at his best. Tonight, he got a lot of work there.”
Poreda, 22, improved to 2-3, 1.65 through five starts, and he’s given up just 15 hits in 27 1/3 innings. However, the 6-foot-6 lefty’s strikeout (9.2 per nine innings) and walk (5.3) rates are up considerably from last season, when they were a corresponding 6.6 and 2.2.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=3752
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
he made it sound like strikeouts were bad
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
I like this idea, larry.
Thanks for starting a new one. Much better than scrolling down 270 posts.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
wow, Egbert has just fallen apart
This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.
hudson named SAL pitcher of the week
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Hey, do you think he or Carter are more ready to move up?
;)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
danks 0-2, 2 K, 2 BB
shirek 6 IP, 6 hits, 2 BB, 7 K.
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dexter carter: 6 IP, 7 hits, 3 BB, 2 HBP, 9 K
kanny scored a season high seven runs, including drew garcia, who should have been out by a mile, using all of his, ahem, 175 lbs to deliver a forearm to the lakewood catcher and “dislodge” the ball from the mitt.
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flowers 1-2, 2 BB
harrell, nunez, and matt long (welcome to AA!) got slapped around.
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apparently winston-salem did play game two last night - and had to go to extras.
danks 2-5, 3B
marrero, 1-3, BB
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Justin Edwards
What can you tell us about this kid? Should he be on the radar? Info plz. Thx.
yes, he should be on the radar.
lefty. 3rd round pick out of florida hs in 2006. today was the one year anniversary of his TJ surgery, which caused him to miss all of 2008. when the sox say recovery time is one year, i guess they don’t mess around. i listened to part of the game as i was working but didn’t pick up much info but, prior to his surgery, his fastball was in the upper 80s and he was a change/curve type, with the curve being a promising pitch. from this, you can pretty much tell that he’s a control guy who changes speeds.
i was surprised at how good his control was today because, of course, it’s not unusual for a guy coming off arm surgery to have trouble getting back to that.
5 IP, 1 hit, 1 BB, 1 WP, and 9 K. kept the ball on the ground nicely, as well.
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more on edwards - thanks sox machine
http://www.app.com/article/20090506/SPORTS/90506092/1002
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yet more.
Matthew Eddy: A reader asked about White Sox LHP Justin Edwards, but I accidentally deleted the question. Sorry, still getting used to our new chat software. Edwards, 21, struck out nine in five innings, giving up one hit, during his ‘09 debut for Low-A Kannapolis on Wednesday. The White Sox took him in the 3rd round of the ’06 draft out of Olympia High in Orlando, but as the reader points out, there hasn’t been a lot of buzz about Edwards. The biggest reasons: He carried a 5.64 ERA into the season, he missed all of ’08 while recovering from an injury, and his stuff is good but not great. He ranked in the Appy League Top 20 in his debut (access it from “Rankings Archive” on our Main page) and in our ’07 Prospect Handbook. He pitches in the mid- to high-80s with a solid curveball and changeup.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/?1241802589
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Winston-Salem Dash (Chicago White Sox)
THE WEEK THAT WAS: The Dash went 1-3 on the week by splitting a pair of afternoon affairs with Frederick on April 28-29 and losing two at Wilmington before being rained out May 3-4. Winston-Salem is 11-12 on the season, two games behind first-place Salem in the Southern Division.
WHO’S HOT: RHP Charles Shirek went 3-0 in four April starts with a 3.18 ERA. Shirek allowed only 19 hits in 22 2/3 innings while striking out 16. Opponents batted .229 against him. 1B Christian Marrero batted .405 in April, but got off to a 1-for-7 start in May. 2B Dale Mollenhauer concluded the week hitting safely in six straight games, going 11-for-21 with five RBIs.
WHO’S NOT: The Dash pitching staff had an ERA of 8.44 during the first two games of May. RHP Levi Maxwell went 0-4 with a 6.00 ERA in four starts during April. Maxwell allowed 25 hits and walked 12 batters in 18 innings. He also was not fooling anyone, posting only four strikeouts while opponents batted at a .338 clip against him.
CONTACT THE KEY: OF Jordan Danks is making things happen when he makes contact. Danks concluded the week with a .329 batting average, a .414 on-base percentage and a .518 slugging percentage. However, Danks has 27 strikeouts in his first 23 games. When he puts the ball in play, his average is a robust .478. Scouts have noted that Danks needs to cut down on his swing when he’s behind in the count and improve his overall pitch recognition.
TOUGH TIMES: With a scheduled afternoon tilt April 28, the Dash and Frederick Keys attracted a reported crowd of 201, with a head count about one-fourth that total. Those that attended saw the Keys hit a trio of home runs, two of which would not have gone out of the former Ernie Shore Field in recent years. The Dash were supposed to be in a new ballpark, but that has been delayed at least until mid-June. In the meantime, Wake Forest University took over the facility and removed a row of signs on the outfield wall, reducing it to eight feet in height. The last time Winston-Salem played with that fence dimension in 1994, a Carolina League-record 202 home runs were hit. Making matters worse on April 28, Jim Gallagher’s 18-game hitting streak came to an end when he struck out with the bases loaded and two outs in the bottom of the ninth.
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barons return the favor by slapping around the biscuits.
shelby 2-4, 2 2B
beckham 2-5
allen 1-4, BB
flowers 0-3, HBP, BB
vicieco 1-5, HR
ely: 6 IP, 8 hits, 2 BB, 6 K
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if cole armstrong is going to bat .136, i think he should at least throw out baserunners.
three SBs today.
rodriguez 1.2 IP, 0 hits, 0 BB, 2 K.
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Now that you mention it
I’ve been getting a call from a strange number lately. I just assumed it was a telemarketer, but I suppose it could be the Sox front office. I suspect just about anybody could get the call to man centerfield these days.
BM: 'Oh, we've ruined millions of lives. They're just being babies about it." 8-Bit Theater
hudson's high A debut cut short by rain delay
2 IP, 0 hits, 0 BB, 3 K.
morel 3-4, 2 2B, HR
danks 1-4, 2B
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Given there's not really one spot for him to play everyday at Birmingham
how do you see them handling Morel’s advancement if he keeps doing what he’s doing at W-S?
you know what – that’s what we do here. we wish cancers. so you can either join in or leave.
by ab03 on May 1, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
he'll go there next year i would guess
though viciedo might still be there.
i was wondering the same thing
although it’s probably too early to start projecting this sort of thing. at this point i would expect viciedo to be at birmingham again next year, given his age and his need to work on strike zone control and fielding.
but obviously if morel keeps hitting there’d be no reason for him to repeat high-A, especially since he’ll be 23 next spring.
what a great problem to have. it’s certainly been a long time coming.
Meh, you're right -- probably too early to bother guessing
There’s an awful lot of season left, especially for Viciedo.
Vic (Chicago): What kind of upside does Dan Hudson have? What does he throw?
Kevin Goldstein: 89-93 w/ excellent life, solid slider. Could be a starter if everything falls right.
Jack (IL): Any news on Gordon Beckham’s defense down in AA?
Kevin Goldstein: Solid but unspectacular. Arm and footwork are good enough for SS, range is iffy.
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a good question i heard on 670 the score
KW’s three weaknesses?
Gambles (though also a pro)
Stubborn (can also be considered a pro)
Didn’t take control, especially in the farm system, for first couple of years. Poreda first draft pick really made by KW and not scouts.
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
describing failing to direct the draft as a weakness is missing the point some.
there are quite a few GMs who don’t know much about who they are drafting. which is fine so long as who you do have in charge of the draft knows what they’re doing. and i would imagine there were some “scouts” involved in the selection of poreda.
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yes but there was quite some controversy with the Sox's top scout
and how he was doing his job, skimming bonuses, ect.
KW finally took charge in cleaning the farm system from corruption and I think that was what the radio announcer meant when he said Poreda was the first pick that had KW’s “finger prints on it”.
Im sure KW is listening to more reliable scouts now.
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
wilder was not the white sox' top scout.
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i don't fault him for individual picks
but i do fault him for taking so long to realize the job wasn’t getting done.
morel continues his hot hitting in game two
2-4, 3B, and his 10th SB of the year.
danks 1-3, 2B, BB
marrero 1-3, 2B
rasner was the “starter” and went 4 IP, 3 hits, 1 BB, 6 K.
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infante 6 IP, 4 hits, 4 BB, 7K and 7 groundouts v 3 flyouts
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the AAAA all-stars beat up david price.
keith ginter, 4th on KW’s organizational depth chart in the event of the white sox’ plane crashing into the barons’ bus and all other able-bodied males under the age of 33 being culled by yahweh, was 4-4, 2 2B, HR.
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by larry on May 7, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
brandon allen goes yard
shelby, beckham and allen with doubles
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Any reason Beckham was taken out of the game?
by ThisIsJustBanter on May 7, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
it was an ass-kicking.
and, just like in the majors, your stars often get pulled to let the scrubs play.
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not that ozzie needs an ass-kicking to let his scrubs play
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
all right.
apparently he was injured. per the barons announcer, abdominal strain suffered in his first AB on thursday.
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so does the world end yet?
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
pretty close
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
i haven't seen any of these doubles
but since the barons play in a pitchers’ park, i’d imagine some of them would be homers elsewhere. definitely next year at the bandbox that is knights stadium. flowers and allen will probably rack up ridiculous homer totals, too.
Probably to get him some rest.
I don’t believe he has missed a game yet.
Sox season over?
Maybe for you,pal.
Nothing is over ’till we say it is.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
"Ain't never ever gonna quit,
Cuz quittin' just ain't my stick."
THT Top 100 Fantasy Baseball Prospects
last week
25. Gordon Beckham / SS / Chicago White Sox / AA / 9/16/86 / ETA: 2010http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/fantasy/article/top-100-fantasy-baseball-prospects-5-1-09/
48. Tyler Flowers / C / Chicago White Sox / AA / 1/24/86 / ETA: 2011
85. Dayan Viciedo / OF / Chicago White Sox / AA / 3/10/89 / ETA: 2011
89. Aaron Poreda / SP / Chicago White Sox / AA / 10/1/86 / ETA: 2011
this week
23. Gordon Beckham / SS / Chicago White Sox / Double-A / 9/16/86 / ETA: 2010 / Movement: +2http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/fantasy/article/top-100-fantasy-baseball-prospects-5-7-09/
43. Tyler Flowers / C / Chicago White Sox / Double-A / 1/24/86 / ETA: 2011 / Movement: +5
93. Dayan Viciedo / 3B/OF / Chicago White Sox / Double-A / 3/10/89 / ETA: 2011 / Movement: -8
94. Aaron Poreda / SP / Chicago White Sox / Double-A / 10/1/86 / ETA: 2011 / Movement: -5
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
what a fucking joke.
not only “fantasy”, they’re updating their rankings weekly. talk about churning.
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you're only as good as your last start, after all ;)
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
exactly
I don’t think I can stress enough how useless Poreda’s stats are right now in foretelling his future major league viability…
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no one's stats means a great deal right now.
but pitchers in particular often mean next to nothing at this point. in poreda’s case, i would imagine that it’s being dictated how many breaking balls and offspeed pitches he throws per game. one only needs to listen a game to observe the odd sequencing for a pitcher of his type.
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can we learn anything about the status of his offspeed pitches by looking at his current stats?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
other than confirming that they aren't any good.
which we already knew, no.
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We already know what we have in Poreda
a guy who can pretty much succeed at the AA level on one pitch… He was sent back there to work on his secondary offerings…
It’s important for him to be throwing those pitches in counts and situations where he wouldn’t have last year… And if he gets hit around or walks a few more guys because he’s working on those pitches, so be it…
So when THT or any prospect evaluator is looking at his numbers right now and pointing out an increased walk-rate or a lack of development, well, they don’t know what they’re talking about…
Those ugly numbers are the sausages being made
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the fact that he is striking guys out with his curveball is interesting to me.
first, he gets some of them looking at it so he’s getting it over, which is good. second, though, i’m wondering if the strikeouts are due to players (many of whom saw poreda last year) simply not expecting poreda to throw a curveball – especially in certain counts – or if it’s becoming legit.
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That's kind of my point
I mean you’ve been listening to the games (I haven’t bothered) but unless you’re sitting there watching, following along pitch by pitch you can’t really say what’s going on.
You just have to rely on the Sox scouts… as soon as he has a breakthrough, or they think he’s ready to learn on the big league level, he’ll be up. It’s not like they have anyone blocking him.
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like you said, one needs to be watching the game for poreda in particular.
radio kind of sucks for this.
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i don't disagree
and i think the THT is a joke. but i think a lot of pitcher in AA are working on something.
he’s given up like 15 hits in 28 innings. that’s pretty damn impressive.
RE: sample size
if we want to pretend pitchers are like rolling dice, contreras should still be starting.
2+ seasons isn't a small sample size.
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needs more BA
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
Brandon Allen that is
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
damn right
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Daily Updated Minor League Stats
2009 Minor League Baseball League Encyclopedia – Baseball-Reference.com
Sorry it took a month, but the 2009 minor league stats are up and running and murphy willing they’ll be updating daily each morning with the rest of the site.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/league.cgi?year=2009
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
kanny's offense continues to show up.
jon gilmore 2-5, 2B
tyler kun 1-3, 2 BB
sergio morales 2-5, 2B
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18 year olds in A ball tend to have days like this.
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egbert should consider not giving up runs
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danks 1-4, BB
salvador sanchez 3-4, all doubles.
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retherford 3-5, 2 HR
flowers 1-3, HBP, BB
allen 2-4, BB
jhonny nunez isn’t good. 1.2 IP, 6 hits, 4 runs – but struck out 3!
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Yeah but his obp is only .020 over his average.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
Damn, reply fail.
meant for 3E8 about CJ.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on May 9, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
If Retherford gets a little better w/ pitch recognition
we may have a girth of 2nd basemen in a year or so.
we already have one
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
sergio morales 2-3, BB
and it looks like the SAL is figuring out remenowsky. 1 IP, 3 hits, 2 runs, 2 K.
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carlos torres disappointed he wasn't called up
5 IP, 7 hits, 3 BB, 5 K.
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Emotional Latinos.
Fer Chrissakes, mano upo.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
sox machine saw the (windy and cold) game.
Given the conditions, I honestly can’t say if Torres could’ve given a representative sample of his skills. But here’s what I did learn:
Torres throws four pitches. He’s got a fastball that’s anywhere from 91-94 m.p.h., and I thought I saw him cut it against a lefty. His slider is around 85, he threw a changeup around 81, and he’s got an overhand curve around 75.
But he’s largely a fastball-slider guy. I only saw a handful of changeups all night, and while he could throw his curve for strikes, it didn’t seem to fool anybody. There wasn’t a lot of snap to it.
He didn’t allow many hard-hit balls, perhaps because he nibbles. He masks his inefficiency by working fairly quickly, but the pitches pile up just the same. He seemed to have problems finishing off Jose Morales in particular, losing him with four straight balls after getting ahead 0-2.
I don’t want to make too many judgments off a terrible night for baseball, which caused some terrible defense behind him. But he’s had problems getting past five innings even in better conditions, so it’s hard to see him being considered rotation help at this point. He looks to be more like D.J. Carrasco insurance.
as a note, torres does indeed throw a cutter. jim’s description is in line with the scouting reports. inefficient pitcher who nibbles which compounds the stamina concerns. can throw a variety of pitches but none are plus. could be a backend starter (he throws more pitches than carrasco so that’s to his advantage as a starter) but a righty specialist reliever seems more likely.
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Really bad defense!
“Torres allowed four runs over five innings, but two came in on a weak fly that the wind blew away from Andy Phillips in left. On a normal night, Phillips would’ve caught it to end the inning instead of flopping in vain. Another RBI single followed, so three of those runs should’ve been unearned.”
I really don’t think he pitched badly…….I think you could make a good argument that the drop in the outfield was an error and he should have only had one earned…..I agree with Jim though, Torres would be much more effective in the bullpen.
poreda 6 IP, 8 hits, 3 BB, 2 HBP, 2 WP, 4 K, also picked off a runner.
looks like he ran out of gas in the 7th, facing four batter and not retiring any of them. both wild pitches occurred in that inning, along with one HBP.
allen 1-3, 2B, BB
retherford 2-4, 3B
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it seems like a lot of other AA hitters are heating up
is this only because they’re surrounded by amazing talent, or is it something to look into?
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
i don't see anything out of the ordinary in anyone's numbers.
they’ve played about 25 games. brandon inge is OPSing 1.000 for the tigers right now.
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amusingly, it was fastball command that was the problem for aaron.
after the game, he stated he had a stiff back the whole game.
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carter had a rough first inning.
6 runs in before recording an out. an error and the wind blowing out certainly didn’t help him.
5 IP, 10 hits, 0 BB, WP, 11 K.
kuhn 2-3, BB
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Those 11 K and 0 BB look nice, though.
by Daniel Berlyn on May 10, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
nonsense
those aren’t real stats
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
means he had his fastball
and nothing else.
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6 K in 2.2 IP for nessie!
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sox machine recaps the game.
http://soxmachine.com/blogs/soxmachine/archive/2009/05/11/15951.aspx
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he has a name,
that is if he existed.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on May 11, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
game two for the dash
shirek 5.2 IP, 3 hits, 3 BB, 8 K
marrero 1-2, 2B
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poreda southern league pitcher of the week; retherford takes hitter honors
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beckham still out of the lineup tonight.
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Chicago White Sox
Signed: 1B Daryle Ward
Granted free agency: OF Jerry Owens
Placed on 7-day DL: LHP Kyle Aselton, LHP Garrett Johnson
Reinstated from DL: LHP Justin Edwards, OF Kent Gerst
Chicago’s third-round pick in ’06, Edwards made his first start since Sept. 1, 2007, last Wednesday, striking out nine Lakewood batters in five innings for low Class A Kannapolis. He missed all of ’08 while recovering from Tommy John surgery. He’s a finesse lefty with a repeatable delivery and the potential for two average secondary offerings, so the strikeouts were an encouraging sign for the 21-year-old.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=3857#more-3857
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justin edwards effective for kanny
6 IP, 3 hits, 0 BB, 3 K.
minimal offense again for the intimidators.
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egbert, wassermann, and link with identical lines
1 perfect IP, 2 K. link was more efficient, though, needing only 11 pitches while the other two needed 15 pitches.
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gartrell 3-4, 2B, HR
viciedo 1-4, 2B. somehow i think that will be a usual line for him.
flowers 0-3, 2 K, 2 BB. somehow i think that will be a usual line for him.
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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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splat
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
beckham is now
the bigger hurt
"I’ll take the old gray lady over the peanut gallery on some cow town blog."
MadVillian
buddy bell is a fuckin' failure
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Anyone care to offer any analysis of this move?
Did Danks have anything left to prove at W-S?
I’ve read that his swing is long and he strikes out too much, so this seems like an odd move although I admit to knowing next to nothing with respect player development.
What does this mean for Jordan’s development timetable?
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- HSA 01/07/09
it doesn't appear that any pitcher in the carolina league was planning on causing him a problem at the plate.
sure, he strikes out too much down there. but he also was punishing pitchers the rest of the time. gonna be hard to enforce any adjustments on a player when they’re raking. maybe AA pitchers will exploit his weaknesses more.
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Gotcha, he grew out of the A diapers and moved on up to the AA size.
Is this going to move Shelby or cause any problems with the outfield in AA?
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- HSA 01/07/09
we shall see who plays center.
i’d imagine cook or gartrell goes to AAA to make room.
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i should add.
whoever may have to wait a bit since BA will be rehabbing in charlotte this week. so much organizational filler, so few spots.
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Can't "whoever" just migrate immediately to the Sox?
I mean, would it be such a step down?
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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
What I wouldn't give for a chance to be "organizational filler" for a week.
Actually, that would probably cost me all that I’ve worked so hard for up to this point in my life.
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Who am I kidding, Jesus will still be around when I get back!
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
dash mourn the promotion of danks by losing.
ummm, let’s see…brent morel 1-3. oh. and a SF.
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infante roughed up early
6 IP, 6 hits, 3 BB, HBP, WP, 7 K. way too many flyouts, as well.
kuhn 3-5, SB
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a week after outdueling david price, wes whisler outduels chien-ming wang 1-0.
sort of. it was the scranton bullpen that lost the game. another peripherally unimpressive yet effective outing for wes.
rodriguez with the two inning save, 1 hit, 1 BB, 2 K
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danks' line doesn't look any different in AA.
2-5, 2B, K. from the leadoff position and CF. shelby displaced to LF.
viciedo also has his best game: 4-5, 2 2B.
allen 2-5, 2B.
ely beat up in 4.1 IP and shirek did even worse.
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Nice to see Dayan finally adjusting.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on May 12, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
He just needs to learn to walk now.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on May 12, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Danks' K/BB ratio had leveled over the past 15 games
but I would have liked to have seen him stick around until the end of May before a promotion… But I’m not there, I can’t see what adjustments he might have made, etc…
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We often talk of small sample sizes, as 15 games would seem to be, but when is it appropriate to make a judgment from them?
I know that in the minor leagues, most evaluations will be made on small sample sizes of data and given the nature of a player’s progression, you can’t keep them in one level for two years in order to get a better sample size, so I assume that there are key stats where sample size is less important. I apologize if this was addressed in one of the primers, but I don’t recall seeing it.
And going off on a tangent, with the small strike zone afforded to Richard yesterday, it popped in my head that an outing such as that will really screw with a pitcher’s FIP (the metric du jour as far as I know).
Is it just assumed that umpire effects will average out, or is there any sort of analysis that you guys may know of that accounts for variations such as this? Also, are there pitchers that are perpetually squeezed?
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- HSA 01/07/09
sample size
depends on the point you’re trying to prove.
I think age plays an important role in it as well
In the Danks example, not that he was old for High A, but as an accomplished college hitter, he should not have any problem with High-A. If he does, that would be a red flag. He didn’t, so challenging him sooner rather than later makes sense to me.
This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.
Larry
I nabbed the White Sox for Sickels’ mock draft that he runs, if you, or anyone else, wants to jump on board as the co, let me know either here or in my post on John’s blog.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/5/13/874337/mod-white-sox
i'll help out.
as i recall, last year we had a fanpost on this topic – at least related to the first round pick – regarding who to draft. you know, to get community input and discussion going.
i’ll also note, that wiz and i drafted jordan danks.
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Yeah
but not in the 7th round… if you’d found him in the 7th round then you’d really prove what great scouts you are
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I'll try to do something
problem is I know absolutely nothing for this year besides that stephen strasburg going no. 1
last year at least I had a clear Top 10
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Related to TBH's post on minorleagueball, is there a player "type" that the Sox system is especially adept at developing?
ie a pitcher who needs secondary pitches, fielder’s that need work with the glove but have a good bat, shortening up on a hitter’s swing, etc.?
I ask this because I’ve often read that the Twins are good at producing pitchers that don’t walk many batters and utility infielders. Okay, I made up the second one. Other organizations are good at churning out other types of players…I think. Oakland supposedly stresses OBP….and that’s about all I’ve got.
Any information is appreciated.
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- HSA 01/07/09
I would say
Grinders, pitchers who need a cutter, hitters that strike out a lot, and prospects that bust on other teams
Once they get to the majors and work with Cooper, the pitchers generally get more confindence in their stuff and the control improves. The White Sox generally have very healthy players, and I’d say that’s the one thing they have done better than most, if not all, other clubs recently.
by Daniel Berlyn on May 13, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Other than Rowand and Getz, who are the grinders that the system has produced?
I agree with your pitching assessment, and KW does like his power hitters.
It seems like you’re talking more about successes on the major league level. I’m more interested in the minor league development, although I didn’t specify that in the question.
Thanks for your input none the less.
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- HSA 01/07/09
we don't have much minor league success stories to speak of
It’s been awhile since the Sox drafted someone who had prolonged success for them.
by Daniel Berlyn on May 14, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
danks 3-4, 2B, CS
omogrosso 8 IP, 5 hits, 1 BB, 6 K.
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I hope he has a passport
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Why TF not. In a couple of months, sure.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Where would a guy like Omogrosso project to end up?
Using Cheat’s prospect evaluation primer, I see that Omogrosso is 25 in AA, which is a bit old to be a prospect.
His BB/9 is above 3 (bad juju) and his K/BB is sitting at 2.3 or so (also bad juju), which seem to jive with Boof Bonser numbers. Seeing as he’s improved over his stint at Birmingham last year, are we looking at potential major league mop-up pitcher / long man or should we pencil him into Charlotte’s rotation for the next 4 years?
Also, would Bonser be a good comp for Omogrosso’s ceiling?
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- HSA 01/07/09
Boof? BOOF?
I had Boof on my fantasy team in an automatic draft pick. He was ranked 500th or something. Do I have to come over there and watch Broadway musicals with you to give you something to do?
;)
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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
OMG should probably be in the pen
he was a college closer, and throws from different angles (or at least he did. He was over the top from what I saw in spring)…
Might gain some velo and K from a return to the pen.
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Jose pitches 6 scoreless, control not so good
BA to get more honeys than he can handle
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hudson's real high A debut goes well
5 IP, 2 hits, 3 BB, 6 K.
and after a hot start, marrero is learning about regression in the last ten or so games.
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Abs Bother Beckham
Gordon Beckham, ss, White Sox: Beckham’s outstanding start to his pro career will be briefly on delay. The 2008 first-round pick hasn’t played since Thursday due to a strained abdominal muscle. Beckham, 22, has been crushing the Double-A Southern League with a .303/.381/.505 line through 26 games. He has only two home runs, but Birmingham’s home park suppresses home run output, so Beckham has piled up the doubles with 14, second in the SL to the Reds’ Todd Frazier.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=3897
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more beckham and danks
At Class AA Birmingham, top prospect Gordon Beckham is still sidelined with an abdominal strain and is technically on the "7-day disabled list." Beckham was injured last Thursday but could be back by the end of the week.
Also at Birmingham, Jordan Danks is on fire after being promoted from Class A Winston-Salem.
Danks, younger brother of Sox starter John Danks, is 5-for-9 in 2 games with Birmingham. He leads off and plays center field and is likely to join the White Sox later this season if they continue to struggle.
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1984
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likely to join the White Sox... not so much
He’d have to hit .556 for the rest of the season to fall into the “likely” category. He’s not on the 40 man, there’s no reason to put him there… The only reason to call him up in Sept would be if the Sox thought he might compete for the CF job next year. That’s about 2 years faster than can reasonably be expected
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Draft related...
I’m wondering whether the Sox have allocated a bit more money for this year’s draft, seeing that (a) they have four picks in the first 75, (b) they cut payroll this season, and © they stand to lose upwards of $20 million off the payroll after this season.
i expect them to take the top player there
regardless of bonus expectations, i mean, its only a couple million and that doesnt impact a payroll like the white sox’s at this point
.
Someone with a BA account
Should check who they have us taking in their first mock draft that was just put up along with any other accompanying information.
from the trib blog
Baseball America performed its first 2009 mock draft. BA projected that the Sox would select Indiana right-handed pitcher Eric Arnett with the 23rd overall selection. The 6-foot-5, 225-pound Arnett has struck out 93 in 94 innings.
Arnett, a junior, has an 11-1 record and 2.78 ERA in 12 games.
stats
http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2008-2009/teamcume.html
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/Players/A/Eric-Arnett.shtml
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1. Stephen Strasburg (Nationals)
2. Dustin Ackley (Mariners)
3. Grant Green (Padres)
4. Kyle Gibson (Pirates)
5. Alex White (Orioles)
6. Donovan Tate (Giants)
7. Zack Wheeler (Braves)
8. Aaron Crow (Reds)
9. Jacob Turner (Tigers)
10. Chad Jenkins (Nationals)
11. Mike Leake (Rockies)
12. Tanner Scheppers (Royals)
14. Shelby Miller (Rangers)
15. Tim Wheeler (Indians)
16. Matt Purke (Diamondbacks)
17. Bobby Borchering (Diamondbacks)
18. Chad James (Marlins)
19. Rex Brothers (Cardinals)
20. James Paxon (Blue Jays)
21. Everett Williams (Astros)
22. Andy Oliver (Twins)
23. Eric Arnett (White Sox)
24. Mike Trout (Angels)
25. Tyler Skaggs (Angels)
26. Kyle Heckathorn (Brewers)
27. Jared Mitchell (Mariners)
28. Max Stassi (Red Sox)
29. Brett Jackson (Yankees)
30. Tony Sanchez (Rays)
31. AJ Pollock (Cubs)
32. Garrett Gould (Rockies)
by The Big Hurt on May 15, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
seems like a guy they could easily get later
by Daniel Berlyn on May 15, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn’t sound too bad to me, 96mph on the fastball and PG described his slider as “a dominant second pitch”.
by The Big Hurt on May 15, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't ever comment over here,
(honestly, I don’t know enough to comment) but I really like what larry, Cheat, Wiz and the others are posting about the minor leagues. I just want to thank them for it. Keep up the good work.
Early game for W-S
Lose 6-5 to Lynchburg
7 1/3 for Carter, 1h, 1ER, 2bb, 7K
Save for Lynchburg goes to… Michael Dubee
i forgot about him
i didn’t realize he was allowed to strike anyone out at W-S
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Lynchburg vs. Winston-Salem
W: R. Rodriguez (3-0, 4.05); L: R. Brooks (0-1, 8.10); SV: M. Dubee (2)
HR: LYN: M. Loyola (4), M. Hague (1). WS: K. Gerst (1).
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Folks try and do Minor League larry's job
and all hell breaks loose.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
he's like dewayne wise
and we’re lillibridge
larry's busy with the secretary
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jordan danks
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on May 14, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes, kanny can score runs
nate jones 2 perfect IP, 5 K
drew o’neil 1 IP, 1 hit, 1 K.
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I missed Sauer being
moved to the rotation . . . is that a permanent move?
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the messiah will return this weekend?
Shortstop Gordon Beckham could return to Double-A Birmingham’s lineup as soon as Saturday. Beckham, the Sox’s first pick in the 2008 draft, has been sidedlined for a week because of a pulled abdominal muscle.
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gartrell and shelby each homer
but only gartrell’s was of the walk-off variety.
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Weekly, my patoot.
5/5-5/15. Fer Chrissakes. The Big Easy, indeed.
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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
i need to get it to line up with the weekly update.
200 comments i think is about where these things get out of hand. we’re there now. so we should line up going forward now.
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Fred (Ohio): How disappointing is the performance of Dayan Viciedo? I thought he would have a period of adjustment; however, I didn’t think he would struggle this much with pitch recognition.
Ben Badler: I couldn’t believe people thought before the season that he had a chance to start the year in Chicago. I was surprised they even put him right in Double-A. He has raw power, but like you said, his pitch recognition looks woeful right now. He probably belongs in high Class A in the Carolina League.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/chat/2009/268126.html
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Mike (Chicago): Are the White Sox possibly looking to draft Rex Brothers from Lipscomb with the 23rd pick?
Jim Callis: He’d be their type of guy but I don’t think he gets to them.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/chat/2009/268105.html
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I hope he does drop.
I like Brother a lot.
by The Big Hurt on May 15, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
What are your thoughts on Andy Oliver?
It doesn’t seem like too much of a stretch that he will be available at 23.
I like him.
I have him as the third ranked college lefty currently behind Brothers and Paxton. He’s having a bad year causing his stock to drop but his strikeout numbers are still there and his wall rate isn’t terrible. Stuff wise from what I’ve read he has a plus fastball sitting in the low to mid 90’s range with plus command as well as a good change up and an improving slider/slurve. I believe he may be a Boras client though which would probably rule us out of drafting him (same as with Paxton).
by The Big Hurt on May 15, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
torres 6 IP, 2 hits, 2 BB, 10 K in game 1.
BA 0-3, 2 K
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BA has a much better game 2.
3-3, CS.
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leesman 7.2 IP, 1 hit, 0 BB, 9 K for kanny.
kuhn 1-3, 2B.
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shirek 7 IP, 6 hits, 1 BB, 6 K
rasner 2 perfect IP, 3 K.
gerst seizing his opportunity to replace danks: 2-3, 3B
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poreda 6 IP, 6 hits, 3 BB, 6 K and a pickoff.
danks 2-4, BB, SB.
gartrell 1-2, 2B, 2 BB.
(game now in extras)
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Why was Henry Mabee ejected?
In today’s Dash game? Anyone catch it?
arguing with the umpire over a play at the plate
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