White Sox Should Opt for Center Field-less Lineup
A majority of this post was written while watching the Texas Finale Sunday night
So I'm not exactly able to recap Sunday's game in a timely manner. But as I'm sitting here watching John Danks struggle with his location and lamenting a lineup full of 2007-esque roster-fodder, I wonder if trying something crazy might be the Sox best option in center field. And by crazy I mean Jayson Nix.
First let me say I wouldn't even bring up such a crazy suggestion if the Sox hadn't already backed themselves in the first place. I'm sure you're already aware of the circumstances, but allow me to review (I'm bored):
- They entered spring training with three players who should have been competing for bench spots in a 3-way race for the starting center field position.
- They traded away 4 center fielders – or 4 players much more capable of playing a major league CF than their spring training options – in the last 4 off-seasons.
- When spring was over, they waived Jerry Owens, handed the incomprehensibly-linked CF/Leadoff duties to Dewayne Wise, who posted a sub-.300 OBP in his breakout '08 season, and went with Brian Andersonas the primary backup at all 3 outfield positions.
- They carried Brent Lillibridge, who, despite drawing an inexplicable number of walks in his first 20 at-bats, is woefully unprepared to hit major league pitching. Lillibridge, who played CF at the University of Washington was their de facto 5th outfielder.
- They failed to stash a journeyman AAAA Cfer (or much of anything else) at AAA Charlotte.
- Jerry Owens, gone for good. Scott Podsednik, back for more of the same, which, and I'm sure you're aware, isn't good.
So that's how we got into this unpleasant situation. There were other factors as well. It's not like the Sox front office didn't realize they were thin at CF. The economic climate and the significant talent/opportunity cost of a trade had the Sox hoping rather than believing that one of their in-house candidates would step up his game to become a below-average major league player.
But Jayson Nix in CF? He's never played a single professional game at the position. Note: I wrote that Sunday night. Monday night he saw his first ever action in the outfield as a professional.
I'm not denying that it sounds like a bad idea. But that's kind of the point, the Sox only have bad options at CF. Why not give Nix an opportunity to prove he's a worse option than the ones we already know are bad, namely Scott Podsednik and Brent Lillibridge?
Obviously, I would prefer a seasoned outfielder in center field, but without spending talent and or money there just isn't a palatable in-house option.
Now if you remember the first week of spring training, I carried a not-so-subtle anti-Nix bias. I felt like I had to provide a counter-opinion to the beat writers who were ready to hand Nix the starting 2B job after 2 games. And as I touched on at the time and in the Statisctical Prospect series, Getz had the best minor league track record of the 2B candidates.
But a funny thing happened after I got to see Nix play a couple of games. I actually liked his approach at the plate. I couldn't be sure that what I was seeing wasn't just a hot streak, but I was impressed by his swing. Injuries shortened his spring and stopped me from making a full-throated endorsement, unless you count my more pointed criticisms of Lillibridge as an endorsement. But I'll say it now, after one two major league game(s) in a Sox uniform and maybe 3 or 4 spring training contests; Jayson Nix can play some baseball. Nix can be that below average center fielder the White Sox so desperately need right now, maybe more.
Why not move Alexei or Getz?
Nix is not a permanent solution, and might not even be an upgrade on the bad options the Sox are already running out to CF. So for the two weeks, or one month, or whatever time the Sox are without their replacement-level options I'd put Nix out there instead.
Alexei Ramirez was the opening day center fielder for the '08 Sox, why not move him? The truth is I might. I'd certainly think about it. He's made some great plays at SS, but he once again seems to be a little deficient on rangy plays to his right.
More than his defensive abilities, however, his contract status and my confidence in Gordon Beckham (in the long term) and Nix (in the short term) at SS should determine the decision. I've never heard any confirmation or denial on whether Ramirez would become a free agent at the end of his 4-year deal. If he is a free agent in just 3 years, I'm moving him to CF. If not, I'm more reluctant. I might move Getz instead.
In simpler terms, if Alexei's not sticking around too long, open up the SS position to be filled when Gordon Beckham is ready. If he is sticking around for a while, move the lower-upside yet still productive Chris Getz and clear 2B for your top prospect.
I know all of this sounds as if it's predicated on a group of rather inexperienced middle-infielders can step right in and play a major league center field. But I don't expect any of them to actually be a plus defender in CF. When the current options are Podsednik and Lillibridge, it's not like the Sox have much to lose by giving Nix a shot.
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They say imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
I don't even know what I've missed
I’ve literally spent more time today on the internet (nearing 2 hours) than I have in the last 3 days combined)
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I didn't say it was good idea...
you don’t need a good idea to be better than Scotty Pods in CF
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and that wasn't saying it was a bad idea.
we’re just through the looking glass. and it hurts.
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I do have to quibble with the second point
They traded away 4 center fielders – or 4 players much more capable of playing a major league CF than their spring training options – in the last 4 off-seasons.
First off, do these 4 center fielders include: Rowand, Young, and Sweeney?
If so, without trading Rowand and Young, we wouldn’t have Vasquez and Thome in return, both of whom – with exception to Vasquez in the home stretch – provide solid contributions in the 2008 season as well previous seasons with the Sox.
I think management sacrificed CF for other needs, and perhaps they didn’t have to.
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by onlysoxfaninboston on May 5, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions
I was merely pointing out A-to-B
the non-Marquez trades can all be defended… Heck I was practically begging for Rowand to be traded for a left-handed hitting DH after ’05 — It was the right move.
It’s just that given all the moves on the whole, the Sox seem to value CF less than most teams or think they should be able to easily fill the position with their in-house talent whom they value too highly.
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I think you're missing the point
it’s not so much that the returns on the CF trades have been poor — outside of Swisher deal #2 they were all reasonably fair (or fairly reasonable) deals — just the complete lack of disregard that the position has been shown.
Of course, the pertinent question is — what should they have done? I’m not sure I have an answer to that. Would it really have been that difficult to stash somebody away at CF who — at the very least — could play an average CF (I guess Owens fits, but health and ability to OPS even .625 were and are questions with him)?
Even with the other questionable spots heading into this year (2B, 3B), they seemed to build up some semblance of depth, have a decent back-up plan. Plan A for CF sucked from the get-go — that must certainly mean misery for plan C.
Not to mention...
Even though there stills seems to be the love with Young on this board – I really don’t see what he has done to deserve it. His raw numbers aren’t that impressive – perhaps there are some detailed stats I just didn’t feel like looking up.
Now Sweeney… who knows what he would have done with the Sox
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
Young is on my SSS fantasy team (I did not pick him)
and he’s been a POS this year. Horrible.
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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
The answer is obvious:
Step 1: Release Pods
Step 2: Move Nix to CF
Step 3: Trade Konerko for Figgins
Step 4: Trade Figgins and Nix for Hudson
Step 5: Move Hudson to 2B and 1B
Step 6: Trade Getz for Pippen
Step 7: Trade Hudson for Swisher
Step 8: Trade CF and 2B for LF and SF
Step 9: Move Swisher to LF and Pippen to SF
by The Actual El Guapo on May 5, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
lol
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
Where TF is Kotchman?
You know, we can get Javy back along with Kotchman.
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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Dunn was over Under, and I was under Dunn.
by The Actual El Guapo on May 5, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Throw him back on the grill.
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by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 5, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
please quit your day job
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
nix
we’re down to our no 8 outfielder
Wise = 4
Ba=5
Pods=6
Lillibridge=7
Nix=8
whos next?
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Quentin one, Dye two, Rowand three,
Owens 9
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what do you think we could talk hawk into eating?
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no pre-game analysis today
since i already did kyle davies and it’s still the same lineup against an RHP for the royals.
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Lazy.
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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
I say do it tee ball style
Nine randomly-selected players run out onto the field at the same time, and whoever claims a position gets to keep it unless he agrees to trade positions with another player
I like it...but if someone outruns Konerko to 1B, which they will, we're screwed
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Konerko can trade some of his pogs to Lillibridge in return for his holding the position for him
I haven’t totally thought this through — I’m off to the laboratory
thieving little fuckers
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rob neyer says he sorry. sort of.
SeattleSox, from the mailbag:
Kenny Williams was roundly criticized back in 2005 for trading highly regarded 5-tool uber-prospect Chris Young to D-backs for often underachieving Javier Vazquez. Young turns 26 this year, is currently hitting a robust .182, and totes a career .239 average.
Can we officially declare him a bust? Sure, his power and speed have come out in the majors, but it would seem the tool Young lacks is the ability to hit major league pitching. It’s a sore spot to me because since the trade, the Sox got a 15-win season out of Vazquez and flipped him for prospects (Flowers will at least have a chance). Had Kenny trotted out a .239 hitter into CF the last three years he would have been laughed at …
Gee, you had me until the end. Chris Young hasn’t played nearly as well as most of thought he would, but the White Sox’ center fielders in recent seasons have included Brian Anderson, DeWayne Wise, Jerry Owens, and Luis Terrero. This season Young’s been awful, of course, but he’s probably still got some sort of decent future as an every-day player. More to the point, the White Sox could really use him right now.
All that aside, it wasn’t the worst trade ever. Far, far from it. In three years, Vazquez started 97 games, won 38 of them, and posted excellent strikeout-to-walk ratios. He was both durable and good, which is an immensely valuable combination. His best season (2007) was wasted, but without him the White Sox probably don’t get into the playoffs last fall.
I don’t remember what I wrote about the deal when it happened, but it’s quite possibly that I ripped Kenny Williams for doing it. If so, he was right and I was wrong.
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"he doesn't remember." haha!
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by homesickalien on May 5, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Obama has been a good role model for Rob.
Now he needs to continue it. Go back to 2005, Rob.
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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
speaking of bad trades
that richar-cunningham swap looks awesome. richar was outrighted a couple weeks back.
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Ah, what did the brilliance of SSS say about that swap?
Evidently This guy is the real deal. He further along in his development than Cunningham. All thing point to him being the sox 2B in 2008. Expect Tadagito to be traded by July 31.
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by chisox on Jun 16, 2007 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whatever happened to chisox?
Fair and balanced:
Uhm… I don’t like this. In fact, I think I hate this.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jun 16, 2007 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
I don't remember being excited about the trade, fwiw
I will qualify that by saying I didn’t know shit about Sox minor leaguers back then.
At least now I have soxmachine, larry’s updates, and cheat’s primers to guide me…and I still can’t get anywhere! HA CHA CHA!
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
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