California is Sinking, It Won't be Long Now: an Oakland A's Preview
A brief look at an opponent we play this week.
Dates we play them: 6/1-6/4 at home, 8/14-8/16 @ OAK, 9/8-9/9 at home
Offense: A potential lineup: Orlando Cabrera-SS, Adam Kennedy-2B, Matt Holliday-LF, Jason Giambi-DH, Kurt Suzuki-C, Ryan Sweeney-CF, Aaron Cunningham-RF, Bobby Crosby-1B, Jack Hannahan-3B Bench: Jack Cust-DH/OF
Coming up with a lineup for the A's was a little frustrating. It's like they go with a pattern for three days, and then switch. The main reason for all this switching is due to amount of injuries Oakland's roster has had so far this season. On offense, they are currently missing Nomar Garciaparra, Mark Ellis, Travis Buck, and Eric "Elijah Price" Chavez. Since their own writers will have more to say about injuries, you can visit the always solid Athletics Nation after you finish the article (or before if you want to be an ass).
Leading off for Oakland lately is easily the least well-liked former White Sox player since Magglio Ordoñez, Orlando Cabrera. The press box darling is off to a terrible start (.236/.280/.296) and hasn't even been good in the field. His luck should start improving, as his BABIP is more than a bit under his career norm, but he had been hitting over his head the past few seasons so maybe this is what we should expect out of him from now on. This probably isn't what he was hoping for while playing for what may be the final contract of his career (especially in this market). One half of what used to be the scrappiest, grindiest double play combo in baseball, Adam Kennedy has been a godsend for the A's so far this year. Picked up off the scrap-heap from Tampa for a PTBNL, Kennedy was brought in on a minor league contract. That didn't last long, as Mark Ellis quickly got hurt and the A's needed a new second baseman. Kennedy has been a machine so far (.390/.462/.622) and is fourth on the team in homeruns (with 4, which says something about Oakland's offense). Yes, this is completely unsustainable (.424 BABIP) but it is nice to see Kennedy get to have a good season again. He always seemed like a nice guy. Matt Holliday has not been having nearly as rough a start to this season as most media would have you believe. Yes, his April numbers were terrible, but he has been mashing the ball since. There could be mutiple reasons for his shaky start (new league, bigger stadium), but the most likely was just some more terrible luck. His BABIP was .078 below his career norm, which will cripple any hitters numbers. The fact that he still has a 111 OPS+ after that first awful month is a testament to how good of a hitter he really is. If he continues to heat up and the A's continue to falter, expect Holliday to be trading in his green and gold before August.
Oh, Jason Giambi, you never-ending source of entertainment. Giambi is yet another slumping hitter by the bay. Unfortunately for him and his team, his slump might be harder to break than that of his teammates. Giambi turned 38 this year, and I'm not really sure how much more baseball his body can take. The roids did a number on him and old age is not being kind to the slugger. Kurt Suzuki is quietly becoming one of the best catchers in baseball. While he'll probably never reach the tier of guys like Mauer, McCann, and Martin (I just noticed that the three best catchers in baseball all have surnames starting with M), already is second tier and should be one of the top ten catchers in the game for at least a few years. He doesn't have much power (16 career homeruns), but he hits for average, seems durable, and plays solid defense. He's also under team control for quite some time, so Oakland will get his prime years dirt cheap. And now we come to Ryan Sweeney, former White Sock of the future. Sweeney was part of the Swisher trade from last year. His bat isn't all that great and his defense in center is pretty shoddy, but he's young and quick and will be a good enough stop-gap until Oakland finds someone better to replace him. He's probably going to be a fourth outfielder fairly soon. Aaron Cunningham is yet another former White Sox prospect playing for the A's. The better half of the Danny Richar trade, Cunningham came into this season as the fourth best prospect in the vaunted Oakland farm system. He's off to a rough start, but it's only been seven games and he's only 23. His track record says expect the bat to come around, but his fielding will likely remain an issue. Bobby Crosby won the RotY award in 2004 as a shortstop and hasn't done much since. Both his bat and his glove abandoned him, and when OrCa came on board this winter he was forced to become a utility guy or learn some new tricks. Crosby went from being a crappy-hitting shortstop to a crappy-hitting first baseman. Jack Hannahan is awful, and the poor guy doesn't even get to have the distinction of being the best baseball player in the history of his high school. Joe Mauer quickly ended his reign a mere two years later. If Oakland's offense were a rap video, it would be about this bad of one.
Pitching: A potential rotation plus closer: Dallas Braden-LHP, Trevor Cahill-RHP, Dana Eveland-LHP, Brett Anderson-LHP, Josh Outman-LHP and Brad Ziegler/Andrew Bailey-RHPs
This is probably the youngest rotation in baseball, as no starter is older than 25. Braden seems to be the default ace of the group, by having the best combination of experience and talent. His fastball doesn't crack 90 mph and his K:BB ratio is pretty poor. He's done decent this season by limiting homeruns, but a guy who gives up a flyball percentage of 44.2 won't have much luck not giving up homers in a park like USCF. Trevor Cahill, the sole righty of the rotation, came into this season as the number two prospect in the organization. He's doing about as well as you would think a 21 year old pitcher who never pitched above AA would, having a 96 ERA+ so far. His K/9 has dropped dramatically since the call-up, but he has been making up for it by inducing a solid number of groundballs. Dana Eveland came over in the Dan Haren trade and looks to be nothing more than back of the rotation fodder. He's a left-handed innings-eater at best. Brett Anderson is the team's number one prospect. He's struggled so far, but is essentially in the same boat as Cahill, having never pitched above AA. He should improve as the season goes on. Josh Outman has one of the best last names a pitcher could have. He also has a low to mid-90s fastball and at least decent control. He may have pitched a little over his true ability so far, but that could just be him turning the corner as he is only 24 years old. I have both Ziegler and Bailey listed as the closer, because I'm not certain which one will actually be closing. The A's have split their nine team saves among three pitchers, so it's really anyone's guess. Bailey is a young, hard-throwing righty with typical closer stuff (good fastball and slider). Ziegler is the more interesting of the two. Ziggy has an awesome sidearm/submariner style pitching motion which makes his fairly slow pitches much harder to hit. My favorite thing about the guy is that he is just like us, and by that I mean he is a member of SBN and has written blog entries over on Athletics Nation in the past.
Outlook: The A's are a team in transition. Billy Beane seemed to be going into rebuild mode, but then saw how weak his division might be this season and figured why not go for it. So far it hasn't been working too well. The team was denied their new stadium in Fremont (so I guess this really worked) and this season doesn't look like it will end well for the team with my favorite throwback jerseys. That all being said, we play the A's nine times this season. Me picking against us has been working so far, so I say we go 4-5 against them this season with a guarenteed win this Thursday (the Sox are 12-6 with three DNPs over the past 20 years on June 4th). At least the A's can hang their hat on having an awesome mascot.
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They are making a movie after this club?
HAH!
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Will Farrell playing Billy?
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
brad pitt is attached to play billy beane
http://deadspin.com/5221261/moneyball-casting-department-seeking-undervalued-actors
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard
that’s a joke… I didn’t just pull Will out of my behind…. Billy Beane = Clown = Will Ferrell
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, a clown has done a pretty good job at keeping a mid-market team competitive
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do a movie on the twins... much more impressive IMO.
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw
you would be impressed
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i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think most people would be impressed
since he became GM of the A’s in 98, the team has had the second highest winning percentage in the AL only trailing the Yankees. the payroll ratio of the Yankees to the A’s over that period of time has ranged from 2.38-4.35:1.
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or as a poster over at AN said
- Oakland’s average rank in terms of payroll in Billy Beane’s first 11 years as General Manager (1998-2008): 23.9.
- Oakland’s average rank in terms of wins: 9.7
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fucking blockquotes
- Oakland’s average rank in terms of payroll in Billy Beane’s first 11 years as General Manager (1998-2008): 23.9.
- Oakland’s average rank in terms of wins: 9.7
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
point taken, they were competetive early in the millenium but havn't really done anything lately.
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, they totally didn't make it to the ALCS three seasons ago
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally,dude
;-)
Ridin' high in April,shot down in May.
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
when I'm back on top ,back on top in June...
by oahu420 on Jun 1, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
more impressive
twins or a’s? Not arguing, just want your opinion.
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i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twins.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 1, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
over what stretch of time
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
since 1998
Or during Terry Ryan’s tenure compared to Billy’s tenure if they are comparable.
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm still sticking with the A's
since 98, the Twins have gone 909-871 which is good for a .510 win percentage. the A’s have gone 976-804, good for a .548 win percentage. the Twins have gone 6-11 in the post-season. the A’s have gone 11-16. this was done with fairly similar budgets. the A’s are more impressive to me.
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who the heck wants to play in God-forsaken Minnesota?
At least the A’s have the draw of the West Coast, and Alderson occasionally opens up the wallet (see Holliday, Matt). Minny’s also worked their minor league system better (though Beanie has worked the trade market wonderfully). Lastly, which division is better? Um, usually the AL Central, I’d bet (though I’m sure someone will look up the numbers to prove me wrong).
Tough call.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 1, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sidney ponson
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll play for whoever pays him.
I believe the Nats are still fielding a team. As long as the checks clear…
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 1, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the quote by stone yesterday
he said something to the tune of “wait something must be wrong with Ponson, usually that pitch is hit out of the park”.
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you've forgotten how bad the AL Central was before the last three seasons
Since 1998, the ALC has had an above .500 record as a division three times. The ALW has done this nine times. Each division has had a WS champ. Our division’s win percentage over that time? .482. The AL West? .521.
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, because Billy Beane was a goofy fellow and not a statuesque, beautiful, athletic man....you should be a casting director. Seriously. Quit your job and go to LA now.
Yeah, surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 1, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should ;P
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i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
think of the threadbombing opportunities being 2 hours behind everybody else
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jun 1, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn, that is funny.
Yeah, surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 1, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rofl
never thought of it that way, but point taken.
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 things:
1. A couple of A’s fans in full gear just walked by. I asked about Cahill, and and the reply was “he’s sucked so far”. Just reporting, not saying if right or wrong.
2. “White Sock” Never ever ever use that term. Sox, as in White Sox, has no “singular”. Makes you sound like Chris Berman.
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it just always feels weird typing it either way
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ive always hated saying white sock
but ive always hated saying white sox player more.
Banned - by The Cheat on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 PM CDT
by BoeJouma on Jun 1, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I never know how to type for a single White Sox player
by TheFunkle on Jun 1, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously. Is it a Pale Hose or a Pale Ho?
Yeah, surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 1, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The video of ghost riding the volvo was hilarious
the car was moving ridiculously slow, dude on the trunk was wearing a Swisher jersey, they were spot on about Fremont as a parking lot with a mayor, they filmed the video in the Oakland Hills FFS, and in one shot you can see a car coming up behind them as the dude jumps off the roof. Good stuff.
And per Chiburb’s reporting, I thought Cahill was pitching better than his 5.6 FIP and 1:1 BB:K ratio suggest. So it appears he has “sucked so far”. Good work, OPOS.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 1, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
West Coast bias - not your fault.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 1, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whew, good to know, cause I was worried for a minute there
Since you casually follow the Rays, have you wandered over to Fangraphs to see the shit storm surrounding the Edwin Jackson for Matt Joyce article?
For those interested in SSH’s contribution to SSS, feel free to use the above link to observe an abbreviated reenactment at Fangraphs.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 1, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hadn't seen it.
Good to see other sites fight, too.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 1, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I read on the baseball cube
Fremont has 187 major league players from it.
by TheFunkle on Jun 1, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy, but I would believe it.
There a lots of major leaguers from the Bay Area and the A’s radio announcers are particularly adept and pointing them out, even better than the local papers. They’re really tuned into the local baseball scene.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 1, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stalkers.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 1, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone else surprised that Ryan Sweeny is a poor defensive CF?
I thought he was billed as being a slick fielder. He did pull a home run back yesterday, so he has that going for him…
I’m also surprised at the drastic differences in Cunningham’s fielding abilities in LF vs. RF.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 1, 2009 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Baseball Tonight was saying he is a good fielder last night...
do the fielding metrics tell a different story?
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a simple trip to fangraphs says yes
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6352&position=OF
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how does fangraphs tell a different story?
Overall he’s been an above average defender over the last two seasons. He seemed to be slightly below average in center last year but that is too small of a sample size to make any long term judgments. He seems to have an average arm and slightly above average range, If he can ever start to hit for power he’ll be a major league center fielder. He’s got a pretty swing and gap power and is still to young to be written off as a fourth outfielder in my opinion.
Sometimes I miss the days when if you thought the guy was a good ballplayer you were right because no one knew any better.
by bberdl20 on Jun 1, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's above average at defense when playing a corner OF spot
in center he has been average so far. he does not have the bat to play in the corners and barely has the bat to justify playing him in center with only average defense. the sample size you quote from last year is 39 innings more than the sample size of this year that makes him seem slightly above average (and ever so slightly at that). ryan sweeney does not have power. he showed this in the minors with only having one full season with a slg% over .400. is it too early to write him off as a 4th OFer? maybe. is he magically going to develop this power that will make him a major league centerfielder? no
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember this argument being over his slugging pct?
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look harder
If he can ever start to hit for power he’ll be a major league center fielder
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I thought we were talking about defense though?
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which was also addressed in my post
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rhythm's question was about fielding
my reply was about fielding, bberdl20’s reply was about fielding, not sure where his slugging pct. had any bearing on the conversation? I think everyone here knows (from watching him), that he can’t hit in the majors. So the question posed would be is he a good enough defender to warrant a starting position on a team? Most teams I would say no, A’s yes, because they are not going anywhere and he is cheap.
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
once again, from bberdl20
If he can ever start to hit for power he’ll be a major league center fielder
Sweeney is not of the Endy Chavezez and John McDonalds of the world. He has been at best slightly above average in the field. He needs to be a decent hitter. He isn’t this year and most likely will not be one. A good way to improve your value is to have a little pop in the bat when you are only around average with the glove. bberdl20 said that if Sweeney could ever start hitting for power, he could be a major league center fielder. that is where slugging percentage came into the argument.
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahh i see
dont know why he got us off track!
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A commenter at Athletic's Nation (on Sweeny):
The thing about Sweeney is that he makes some great catches on balls hit deep, but it’s partly because he plays so deep – and misses a ton of balls in front of him. He is a very good "no doubles defense" CFer, but GGers prevent a lot of singles too.
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GG'ers?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 1, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gold glovers
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TY.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 1, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gary Glitters
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course he's not a good CF.
he was never expected to be.
by Hatchetm on Jun 1, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's easy to understand how people can be swayed by a few highlight reel plays
I was thinking the same thing as WTGTD above. But the truth is more likely that he’s an average CFer, as was expected based on the scouting reports — A guy who’s destined for a corner, but should give you servicable CF defense in his first few seasons in the bigs.
U-God’s link seems to bear that out… Sure he was -22 according to UZR last year, but he’s +3 this year in the same amount of time… and all told he’s only -3 for his entire career in CF, which sure seems like a servicably average defender
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by The Cheat on Jun 1, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad his bat won't hold up in a corner
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The boys need a winning homestand.....
then get Q and Beckham in the lineup for the final 100 or so games. If we can add a pitcher, fine. If we get to that point, I feel like I may have an interesting summer ahead of me…..after a lot of doubt. We’ll see.
by dantesox on Jun 1, 2009 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i dispute your statement that ocab is the least liked former sox since magglio.
nick swisher is the least liked former player. ever.
also, add another M catcher. martinez.
brian anderson would've caught that...
by BuehrleMan on Jun 1, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Martinez is being shifted over to first it seems like
but yeah, he does fit the description
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as my fantasy team is concerned
HE and pablo sandoval are excellent catchers
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Jun 1, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the least liked former sox has to be
rob mackowiak.
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
AIM: JoeCoolMan24 www.2ksports.com/forums Thats where i spend most of my day
by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys aren't even getting close
Navarro, Paniagua, Koch — all somewhat recent versions of completely useless suck. Navarro takes the overpriced free-agent category, Koch the trade-that-never-should-have-been, and Paniagua gets the special mid-season scrap heap pickup nod, the Best New Artist category if you wish.
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by The Cheat on Jun 1, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking Koch but he said since Mags...
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
AIM: JoeCoolMan24 www.2ksports.com/forums Thats where i spend most of my day
by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus we are not talking all-time =)
Is Paniagua the guy who flipped the fans off after getting hook? Even though we won, their “momentum” carried them into the playoffs? Also was that the same game where Jamie Burke got truck stick’d by Hunter? Sad thing is, if they were separate games, I was at both of them.
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
AIM: JoeCoolMan24 www.2ksports.com/forums Thats where i spend most of my day
by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does anyone have a idea of when we might first see castro?
Banned - by The Cheat on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 PM CDT
by BoeJouma on Jun 1, 2009 2:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Assuming he gets over his health issues, I would imagine an impassioned anti-capitalism speech on October 10.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 1, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd!
Colon, who after pitching 5 scoreless innings, had to leave the game with an upset stomach.
by blackoutsox on Jun 1, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Castro is dead and they are only posting video's of him
while moving his mouth with a fish hook. His brother “Raul” aka as Fredo has taken control of the family and the country.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 1, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, the Castro/Cuban jokes are just getting warmed up.
They will be Red hot the first appearance he makes with us.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 1, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially now that the weather is warmer.
Yeah, surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 1, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's really going to be hilarious
is tonight when I am flipping over to “I am a Celebrity, get me out of here” to watch Blago chopper in to Costa Rica unannounced and against judge’s orders to the get taken out by Stephen Baldwin and a surprise visit from a loaded shotgun toting Dick Cheney.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 1, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also rec'd!
Colon, who after pitching 5 scoreless innings, had to leave the game with an upset stomach.
by blackoutsox on Jun 1, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cccp what you did there.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 1, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ed!
Hi-yo!
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 1, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a God to me, Ed.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 1, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate night games. I'm too impatient.
Hurry up time.
by Ahillock on Jun 1, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love them
I can actually watch them.
I hate games on WCIU
"a methead"
by 815Sox on Jun 1, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess if one works it is nice to have night games.
If your a bum, it doesn’t matter when the game is.
by Ahillock on Jun 1, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also get impatient. When they were in Anaheim (of LA) last week, it SUCKED waiting for 7 PM to watch a game. I love getting home and having them start at 5 here.
Living on the West Coast has improved my Sox-watching, nodoubtaboutit.
Yeah, surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 1, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nothing like a getaway game starting at 10am
well, unless you’re oahu420
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jun 1, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'd love a nice 6 or 8 AM ball game a l'oahu. I'm a morning person, so having my cup of coffee with the game is kinda heavenly.
Yeah, surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 1, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC you start work quite early.
How many clients share your schedule?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 1, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll send you a chart.
Yeah, surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 1, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too, as des moines doesnt get wciu
Banned - by The Cheat on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 PM CDT
by BoeJouma on Jun 1, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me thinks the game might not get in tonight - raining again downtown.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 1, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shut your face, Robert!
Yeah, surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 1, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mother called me Robert once....ONCE!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 1, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus, how many times are you going to tell this?
Bob.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 1, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More than ONCE.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 1, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from InsideTheSox (twitter)
Pods7, Missle6, JD9, Thome, PK3, AJ2, DWise8, Fields5, Getz4; Gavin pitching.
Weather looking good for game tonight.
Banned - by The Cheat on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 PM CDT
by BoeJouma on Jun 1, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont like OrCa
but I still Like Maggs.
I deleted it because of the misspselling. -the Cheat
by e-gus on Jun 1, 2009 3:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mind OrCa... I mean the guy played with some fire
and passion =) Hell I want a guy who will dispute an error with the official scorer. What kind of comptetitor would he be if he didn’t?
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
AIM: JoeCoolMan24 www.2ksports.com/forums Thats where i spend most of my day
by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He and LBJ - competitors to the end.
I don’t think I’d like to teach my kid that type of competitiveness. I like class (since I have so little myself) in my pro athletes.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 1, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh, orca was a hired gun and everybody knew it.
maggs and boras, though, i was extremely bitter about. amazing what the schadenfreude of the RF position getting the WS MVP the year following his departure can do.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jun 1, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
capital L I like him so much
apparently
I deleted it because of the misspselling. -the Cheat
by e-gus on Jun 1, 2009 3:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That hair is hard for me to like
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Jun 1, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera is the least-liked former Sox?
More so than Swisher?
by TCBullfrog on Jun 1, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Lord, I had forgotten about the grindiness quotient of the '02 Angels.
Eckstein, Kennedy, Erstad, Spiezio … even their DH was relatively gritty (Fullmer). Seriously, the whole team was just one giant dirt stain.
I’m also pretty sure they remain the only team in history to win a title without once having hit the ball out of the infield.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 1, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you seem to have forgotten about this man
the Tide detergent so to speak to his grindy teammates
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/glaustr01.shtml
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 1, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One cannot wash dirt itself.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 1, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can only lemon-scent it
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Jun 1, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Seriously, the whole team was just one giant dirt stain."
“Seriously, the whole team was just one giant poopstain24.”
fixed
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
AIM: JoeCoolMan24 www.2ksports.com/forums Thats where i spend most of my day
by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from today's white sox spam, i mean newsletter:
PODSEDNIK Q&A: SUBMIT YOUR QUESTION
He’s back! So let’s welcome outfielder and 2005 World Series hero Scott Podsednik’s return to the team with a Q&A!
Send in your question – in 25 words or less, along with your name and hometown – to fanfeedback@whitesox.mlb.com now through this Thursday, June 4. Scott will answer select questions and the exclusive Black List video Q&A will appear in an upcoming Wire!
well this should be fun….
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jun 1, 2009 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dear Pods,
Everyone thinks Sandy Duncan did a great job portraying you onstage, but I remain partial to Cathy Rigby. Which did you prefer?
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 1, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dear Scott,
In The Picture of Dorian Gray, when you wrote: “young men want to be faithful, and are not; old men want to be faithless, and cannot”, were you talking about BA?
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 1, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dear Mr. Podsednik,
How surprised were you when Reverend Moore relented and retracted Bomont’s dancing ban? In that regard, did you think he was more influenced by Let’s Hear It For The Boy or the title track?
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 1, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dear Pods,
Are you into wife swapping?
I must be an idiot
i do not get this where would he play stuff? I see you guys are making a big deal of this, but i do not know what you guys are talking about
AIM: JoeCoolMan24 www.2ksports.com/forums Thats where i spend most of my day
by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 1, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So do you really think we'll go 4-5?
Or was that superstition, as you said?
by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 1, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
3-1 vs Oak, 2-1 vs. Cleve, 3-2 vs Detroit = 8-4
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 1, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my prediction at the top is against Oakland for the season
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 2, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i do think we'll win the series
but superstition forces me to pick us to lose
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 2, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
adam kennedy
that was the prick that broke freddy’s perfect game in 2006, yes?
what a bitch…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 1, 2009 9:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ANA/ANA200609130.shtml
bitch…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 1, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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