Buehrle Homers, Sox Win See-Saw Affair
by The Cheat on Jun 14, 2009 4:23 PM CDT
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Lots of moving parts in this one
- Mark Buehrle homers
- Jimmy Gobble pitches in a high leverage situation -- which actually isn't as bad as it sounds as long as he only faces lefties.
- Jim Thome tries to lay down a bunt multiple times, draws walk which is eventual winning run...
- Winning run scored by pinch runner extraordinaire Clayton Richard.
I love baseball.
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i love baseball
too!
I just accidentally the Fleshlight.
Accidentally what?
THE WHOLE THING!!
by BoeJouma on Jun 14, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
baseball is pretty cool.
member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."
by thecip on Jun 14, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's doing a fine job, thank you.
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by ChicagoShirleigh on Jun 14, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A series win, combined with Detroit's series loss is pretty sweet.
And the Scrubs did their part finally.
Nice finish to what cold have been a disastrous weekend.
We take it.
The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander
by Chiburb on Jun 14, 2009 5:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers may as well be as be in the top class of NL teams. Good series win.
And I don’t know what someone was talking about before when they said Ozzie Guillen should be fired. He really gets the job done – even under National League rules (where I do enjoy watching whatever he comes up with game after game).
by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 14, 2009 6:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brewers top class of NL?
Please. But winnings road series is always nice. Especialy a one-run game to win the series.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 14, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah we get the top of the NL class soon enough
after the Reds
South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men
by e-gus on Jun 14, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they have been playing bad
swept the series before
Wave that flag.... Wave it wide and high.. Summertime... Done come and gone, My oh my
by 815Sox on Jun 14, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the Hawk did (kinda) get one thing right
your pitching is your offense
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 14, 2009 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitching got the job done the whole series.
particularly the bullpen, which is currently second in WAR to the Brew Crew and best in WAR/IP.
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by colintj on Jun 14, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AJ
White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski thought he’d never see what transpired Sunday afternoon at Miller Park.
In the third inning of Chicago’s 5-4 win over the Brewers, White Sox starting pitcher Mark Buehrle hit a home run into the Chicago bullpen in right field, giving the White Sox a 2-1 lead and Buehrle the first home run of his career.
“I was just in shock, because I’ve seen him hit so many times and he stinks,” said Pierzynski, who eventually drove in the game-winning run in the top of the ninth. “I mean, look at poor [Brewers starting pitcher Braden Looper]. He threw it right where [Buehrle] was looking for it — well, there was no looking. He just threw it high, and Mark hit that ball a long way.” …
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 14, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man the errors in that article
1. The home run tied the game, didn’t give the Sox the lead.
2. Mark Buehrle is left handed.
Is it still the fourth inning?
by vince_ on Jun 14, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did it say he wasn't left handed?
by Ahillock on Jun 14, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was in the rest of article
The right-hander, who took a no-decision in the game, said it was his first home run since he played in a high school summer league.
the MLB writer must be hanging with Freddy…
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 14, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh thanks.
The mind is a little cloudy after the beers. Just read the quoted part posted here.
by Ahillock on Jun 14, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have I mentioned I love AJ?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 14, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the cubs can fire their hitting coach why cant we fire ours?
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 14, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and hes the first one to the ballpark every morning.
South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men
by e-gus on Jun 14, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walker has the only set of keys and he opens the doors for everyone.
member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."
by thecip on Jun 15, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and his car broke down in the lot years ago
Remember when "Cuban Pride" meant something...
by Brush Back on Jun 15, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJ and Clayton
“[Richard] did play quarterback at a Little 11 school,” said Pierzynski, a Florida booster mocking the Big Ten, where Richard played at Michigan. “I thought he might be athletic enough. He’s not quite good enough to play in the SEC.”
Said Richard: “A lot of times A.J. gets confused about the powers that be in college football, and it carries over to his major league life.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-15-sox-brewers-chicagojun15,0,5956035.story
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 14, 2009 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cmon man thats sick
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 14, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh god.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Jun 14, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a little article for all of the SEC fans like AJ
by airnjp on Jun 14, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops, didnt actually post the link, here it is
by airnjp on Jun 14, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Education in the South is poor????
by Grinder in Training on Jun 14, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
still working on teaching not to sleep with relatives
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 14, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh man, you went there! never in my wildest imagination did i think you'd go there, but you did.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jun 14, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only thing this win does is provide false hope, unfortuantely
by 23chisox14 on Jun 14, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why exactly
because…….. who is so great again?
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can't answer you. Slashed his wrists.
The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander
by Chiburb on Jun 15, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know the status of Freddy Garcia?
Anyone know when he’s set to make his first start in AAA?
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jun 14, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
still in Arizona conditioning I think
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
puff, puff, pass.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 15, 2009 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets get Viciedo a couple of friends...
Arguellez and Iglesias, especially since Ozzie doesn’t like the white kids.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/06/arguellez-iglesias-declared-free-agents.html#comments
by Ahillock on Jun 14, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I want Jeremy Hermida
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jun 14, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
an outfield of Quentin, Danks, and Hermida would be something nice to look forward to next year
I doubt Danks will be ready by opening day next year, but he has been doing much better than expected already in the minors. I’m still hoping that with all the money coming off the books with Thome, Dotel, and the Count coming off the books they’ll throw some money at Matt Holliday.
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jun 14, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the Sox need to acquire multiple bats for next season
With Thome and Dye likely gone they have openings at 1B , CF, 3B, and RF and they need some offense from those positions. Sadly, it’s not going be Holliday (Boras client I believe, and in any case will have $$ demands out of the Sox league).
The Sox are way more likely to acquire a decent position player through trade than FA signing. That’s why it’s probably imperative to trade Jenks now if he can bring you back a league average guy at one of the open positions for 2010. Maybe the Sox could even throw money in with Jenks to get someone decent on the way back…
by hitlesswonder on Jun 14, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't aware Konerko was not on the team next year.....
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought they would move him to DH and have allen be the 1B
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 14, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
Not early at least. Konerko provides a decent bat and solid D why create a hole for nothing? Also there may be a good chance Beckham sticks at 3rd next year.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I not even conviced yet Thome is defenitely gone
He really likes it here and might sign on the serious cheap.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus - Im not even convinced.......
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm fairly sold on it as long as kenny thinks allen will be decent
unless serious cheap is 3 – 4 million
i figure thome would cost 8 – 9 million at a discount and i dont think that would be the best use of that money. wouldn’t it be better to use that money to replace complete suck in CF or 2B than using it on thome when you have a cheap replacement who can provide adequate production?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 14, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow 8-9 million?
Another time. At that rate you would be absolutely right, but I don’t see him getting that kind of cash. Look at Abreu. 5 million. If he would except 3-4 million it would be hard to ignore it.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think we're at a similiar place
but i just dont see thome coming back. besides the white sox financial situation, i would imagine he would be looking for a contending team in 2010.
not saying its impossible, i don’t see the white sox being an elite team in 2010 unless significant upgrades are made at a few positions
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 14, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
regardless of their financial situation
I don’t see the sox getting rid of Thome AND dye. that creates another gaping hole in the lineup especially given Q’s health. If they can get one or the other at a decent rate I think they’ll spring for it.
WordUpThome: BUT THE "FUN FACTS" ON THE BACKS OF YOUR BASED BALL CARDS SAY THAT YOU ARE A RELEVANCE ENTHUSIAST
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jun 14, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dye would be better to keep
i’ve seen people say he’d accept arbitration, and i think that would be great for the sox. the sox do not have an in house replacement for dye, while allen can step into first and have konerko take over for thome.
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 14, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't count on allen yet.
still a good chance he washes out.
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by colintj on Jun 14, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't realize his ISO was down .150 from last year
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 14, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's not really the thing to be worrying about
White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry
by larry on Jun 14, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what should i be looking at?
BB% is up, K% is down from last year
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 14, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
scratch the BB% part
i’m not good at math
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 14, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ISO takes the longest to normalize
and he’s hitting in B-ham.
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by colintj on Jun 14, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and actually its down .100 from last year total
the .150 is from his time on the barons which was <200 ABs
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 14, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
matt why are you moving Konerko off 1b for Allen
He’s not a given. And no way they offer arb. Way too much.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because konerko is an avg. at best 1B
if my memory is serving correct, i remember something about allen being above average defensively.
and my admittedly very small knowledge of the arbitration process, isn’t dye getting paid based on other contracts that have been signed in the last year/signed this off season? how much would it cost?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 14, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Konerko is an above average first basemen.
second best defender at first in the game right now, according to fangraphs.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 14, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at other years besides this year
the three years before this -.8, -1.5, and .7
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 14, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he has worked very hard to make himself into
an above avg defensive 1b. He’s a long way from 2004. He doesn’t have a lot of range but he picks with the best of them and turns the dp very well. I really don’t see any reason to take him off the bag.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that was then, wasn't it?
anyway, I doubt Allen can give the production Paul will be able to next year, at least, that’s the way things look now. If he is able to, then he’s probably better than we anticipated. Ride Paulie until you fall off, there’s no reason not to.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 14, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
danny, i know you know better than to cite 500 innings as much evidence of anything in defensive stats.
White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry
by larry on Jun 14, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Economy = dumper
This is it for the veterans. Sox will be on the cheap next year. These kids can play or something like that…just watch.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 15, 2009 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure it'll be that extreme
the only big money committed for 2010 is MB’s 14 mill and PK’s 12 mill…according to the payroll resource, only 43.95 is committed for next year…there is plenty of money to make some moves
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 15, 2009 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
otoh
FA may well be a more attractive option than the trade market for many clubs. anything signed pre ’09 is going to be locked in at a much higher price than the market would bear right now.
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by colintj on Jun 14, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see a lot of attractive FAs on the list
Beltre might be interesting given his glove and the fact that the Cell might boost his OPS substantially. And that he’s been so bad this season that the Sox might be able to buy low.
Holliday is the guy that stands out because his age is just way more attractive than most. Other than him I don’t a lot hitters worth even a medium-sized deal.
BTW Figgins is a FA
by hitlesswonder on Jun 14, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
preposterous
we have Figgins on a lifetime contract
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 14, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All jokes aside, Figgins wouldn't be a terrible option
his defense at third is pretty outstanding. If the Sox would rather have Beckham at third, I’d bet that he’d be above average defensively at second, too. This is, of course, dependent upon what type of contract he’s looking for.
by CWSKeith on Jun 14, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I agree
His age is an issue for any long-term deal, but if the Sox want to contend for the division in 2010 they need major league hitters.
So yeah, if his demands aren’t crazy the Sox should give it a shot.
I do assume, however, that if the Sox sign Figgins that they send Konerko to LAA in compensation.
by hitlesswonder on Jun 14, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking the same earlier this weekend
except JD will probably be pretty cheap too.
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by colintj on Jun 14, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they need to have either him or Thome.
Otherwise, there’s no bona fide home run hitters aside from Quentin next year.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 14, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Konerko's 30+ HR years are behind him
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by colintj on Jun 14, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"bona fide" = 30+?
I still think he can crank out 20+ a year, which may be less than you’d want a 1B. But I think that’s still substantial.
by hitlesswonder on Jun 14, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's been hitting very well so far
and he’s not on pace for 20. he gets the hottest months yet, but he’s certainly not guaranteed to be healthy enough to play in them.
30+ was kind of arbitrary, but i thought that was a good cutoff for the kind of pop Kenny wants in his lineup. Paulie just isn’t who i think of when i think “home run hitter”.
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by colintj on Jun 14, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not anymore
I don’t know that his 30+ days are behind him, necessarily, but his current approach is most beneficial right now and when the power comes, it comes. If it ever does.
That said, the White Sox need some serious hummus in the middle of the order. That or move back the walls. Dye and Quentin should be enough if both are healthy.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 14, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes on pace for 21 at the moment
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jun 14, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i used HR/PA*600
and got 19.7, iirc
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by colintj on Jun 14, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think Paulie can be counted on to hit enough to DH
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by colintj on Jun 14, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with his thumb bothering him last year
and it coming back this year, what are the chances he’ll be dealing with it again next year?
i think he would be able to pass as an average DH. right now his OPS would be 6/10 in the AL. i think that says something about half the DH’s in the league though
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 14, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm guessing he's going to be on those cortisone(?) shots for a while
but so far so good. herm’s proving it’s treatable every time paulie hits a line drive.
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by colintj on Jun 14, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bleh.
posted too soon.
was going to add that he’s probably going to go through lulls where the pain becomes less tolerable. Thome’s injury risk at DH is worthwhile because he mashes when healthy (and it turns out he can be kept healthy). PK has significantly less upside.
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by colintj on Jun 14, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can he hit enough for a first baseman at this point?
He’s a sunk cost at this point, not that I’m complaining — if you’d’ve told me when the contract was signed that Konerko would be in the 110-115 OPS+ range for the final years of the contract (bad thumb and all), I would’ve taken that.
I’m right there with Tdogg w/r/t Thome. His market will be extremely limited heading into free agency, even moreso than Abreu and Giambi from last year. He seems comfortable here and I doubt he’d command more than $5-6 million.
The Sox are going to want to contend next year and barring a huge second half, I doubt Allen is ready to be an .825-.850 OPS hitter come April 2010. Bringing back Thome at a bargain seems like a very good move.
by CWSKeith on Jun 14, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hits more line drives than anybody on the team
Given the way this team hits pop-up after pop-up, that’s pretty valuable.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jun 14, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming Dye and Thome leave and Konerko moves to DH
I could be wrong, but I just don’t see $12M for Dye. Maybe Thome at a steep discount, but that still seems unlikely. I can easily imagine scenarios where Konerko stays at 1B, I was picking what I thought was most likely.
I was sort of pencilling Beckham in at 2B, because Getz hasn’t been exactly great. But 2010 could easily see GB at 3B and Getz at 2B. I don’t expect every position I listed as a hole to be filled from outside the organization, they are just the positions that I regard as this biggest problems.
by hitlesswonder on Jun 14, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he's got a big hot streak in him, but i'm pretty sure Getz at second
past this season is dead. Nix is better than him by a lot defensively and can probably out hit him too and he’s a bargain bin type.
personally, i want CJ Retherford to take the world by storm.
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by colintj on Jun 14, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
knowing how long the sox have stuck with other mediocre infielders
I’m pretty sure Getz will be around another year at the very least. There’s no chance they abandon him after one season. Nix is a fine infield sub but he’s too inconsistent, and hasn’t really shown us anything special. I’m not buying a guy for the future hitting .200 and his bright points have been his first career home runs. Getz has far more upside.
WordUpThome: BUT THE "FUN FACTS" ON THE BACKS OF YOUR BASED BALL CARDS SAY THAT YOU ARE A RELEVANCE ENTHUSIAST
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jun 14, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his glove seems special
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
And I would take Nix’s slight power over Getz’s higher average if had to choose whom to give at-bats too…
by hitlesswonder on Jun 14, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't dog on Nix
Nix is awesome – his defense is enough to make me want to keep him on. He’s a good defensive sub – he should be resigned for another 2 years as a UTIL guy and that is all that I would expect from him. He’ll get a chance to battle for 2B next year.
by el paulito on Jun 15, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't let him fool you.
nix is just juan uribe in disguise. Above average defense, low average but can hit for power.
WordUpThome: BUT THE "FUN FACTS" ON THE BACKS OF YOUR BASED BALL CARDS SAY THAT YOU ARE A RELEVANCE ENTHUSIAST
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jun 15, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged.
when comparing players, they must be of the same ethnicity.
White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry
by larry on Jun 15, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And on the same "grindiness" scale.
Uribe =/ grindy. Nix = grindy.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged
asserting juanito is not grindy
his nickname, torpedo boat, alone is grindy
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 15, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for sticking up for Uribe while I was being productive at work
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 15, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
rec’d for sticking up for Uribe while I was being “productive” at work
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 15, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and less homicide.
WordUpThome: BUT THE "FUN FACTS" ON THE BACKS OF YOUR BASED BALL CARDS SAY THAT YOU ARE A RELEVANCE ENTHUSIAST
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jun 15, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should be so lucky.
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by ChicagoShirleigh on Jun 15, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which would make him a very solid utility player on the cheap, no ?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 15, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's exactly what made uribe useful.
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by colintj on Jun 15, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ye of little faith
first you kidnap Getz and now you leave him for dead after your lecherous desires are satisfied?
I really do think Getz can be a productive player, at least platoon-wise. I’m not sure either him or Retherford can be full-timers yet, but I do think it would be a waste to relegate him to bench duty after seeing him for 2 months.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 14, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not going to be a productive hitter until he can do some damage to an
inside fastball. a pitcher throws in there, he knows the worst thing that happens is a single. so far it hasn’t turned into a single enough. and this is against RHP. he really just doesn’t seem to have the tools that Nix has and if Nix is a AAAA bat, then what is Getz?
the tools difference translates into probably 5-10 runs defensively. is Getz going to outhit Nix by that? not to mention that he needs to be able to play at full velocity in order to be valuable and he’s had nagging injury issues throughout his career.
it’s not like i want that to be true. but 2 months is a lot of leeway for a guy we watch every day.
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by colintj on Jun 15, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is no benefit to just ditching Dye.
I think a deal can be reworked for sub-10 mil.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 14, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd sure hope so
if the abreu and burrell contracts are any indication, it should be in the neighborhood of half of 10.
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by colintj on Jun 15, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dye's mutual option doesn't influence the Sox's ability to offer arbitration, does it?
I’ve been going off of the assumption that the Sox can refuse the option but still offer arbitration — is that correct? I seem to recall a situation very similar to this presenting itself a few years back – or I could just be completely making this up.
In any case I’m interested in seeing what happens to Dye, especially if he’s not dealt in the coming month-and-a-half. Picking up his mutual option at $12 million would be some degree of overpayment although not completely egregious — fangraphs had his value pegged at almost $8 million last year and he’s on pace to be more or less the same this season. Then again, have they adjusted last years worth to fit what was payed on the market for players this past winter? I’d have to imagine the $/win went down a bit, right?
I’m interested in what others think. Unless the Sox load up and make a play for Matt Holliday there are no clear cut better outfielders than Dye (on second look there are more than I thought. Bay, Cameron and Damon are all varying amounts of ‘better’ than JD and Abreu is roughly his equal. After looking at this — especially if all of the above hit the market, which is probably unlikely — it seems to be a bit less difficult a decision, though still a tough one, as the Sox have absolutely no one in-house to ready to take a corner OF spot).
by CWSKeith on Jun 15, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think the Sox would offer arb
the arb scale is based on the pre crap economy.
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by colintj on Jun 15, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
we should decline the option and sign him to another year – the Market is different than when he signed it. Taking a look at current rosters (not regarding contracts) – I do not see many places where Thome or Dye could end up on FA market.
We have to keep either Thome or Dye – can’t lose both. I dont want to see another 2007 effort offensively.
by el paulito on Jun 15, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday would be nice to have.
Isn’t Jason Bay a FA in 2010 as well? I would be happy with either.
by Ahillock on Jun 14, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT programming reminder: USA vs Italy tomorrow in the Confederations Cup. They'll also get Brazil later in the week.
by CWSKeith on Jun 14, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what kind of squad are Italy and Brazil trotting out?
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by colintj on Jun 14, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering the same...
if the lineup Spain sent to SA is any indicator, the US will facing Italy’s best (if not their best then their 1A squad). Spain started Torres and Villa up front against New Zealand and I’m pretty sure I saw Xavi and Cesc Fab in the mid-field (I only saw a few highlights). The roster that Bradley announced for the USA is certainly their best so it’ll be a good measuring stick about where the US is at with 2010 on the horizon.
by CWSKeith on Jun 14, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just watched MB's homer on the archives. Had tears in my eyes, laughing. That is some good stuff.
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by ChicagoShirleigh on Jun 14, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He looked good at the plate. Nice swing.
Also – Beckham’s double was a dandy. Opposite field, whoda thunk it?
by 67WMAQ on Jun 14, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's got marvelous makeup.
of course he can hit ropes to the opposite field. he’s the fucking savior.
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by larry on Jun 14, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think his eyeliner is what sets him apart
but he does work the blush in nicely.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 14, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about next year?
Do you think he plays 3rd?
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
easier to find 2B
than 3B, but i’d imagine they’ll be flexible with him. he’s not going to be a plus defender in the next year or two, i’d guess, so there’s not much lost from flipping him back and forth.
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by colintj on Jun 14, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People like to pretend that 3B is an easy position to fill
because it isn’t “up the middle”. I’d be just as fine with him at the hot corner… much better fit for him IMO.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 14, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what that really means is that
right now there’s a glut of good 3B and finding one to compete with them is costly. Beckham has as good a chance of any cheap option of doing that. meanwhile, a lot of teams have chosen to punt on 2B.
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by colintj on Jun 14, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, look at the White Sox.
We have seen exactly one third basemen have extended success since… I dunno, let’s say 03. There are more superstars at the hot corner but also less to choose from. I don’t know that it’s true that teams are punting on 2B so much as there are less players that blow you away. You ideally have a good hitter at third, and yet they are hard to find. Many are too concerned about getting a great hitter at every position when you’re more likely to settle on average. That way, they can spend their resources more efficiently.
I also think that Beckham’s style of play and body frame is better for knocking down hard hit shots rather than trying to run around for soft bloops and ranging for grounders.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 14, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you seen the BP articles that tracked this stuff?
the average 3B hit well better than 2B and have for a while, but that plus Tango’s work on positional difficulty (namely that 2B and 3B are equal) means that the average 3B is in aggregate a better player than the average 2B right now. it would certainly seem like teams are choosing to punt on 2B.
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by colintj on Jun 15, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nerd alert!
I just accidentally the Fleshlight.
Accidentally what?
THE WHOLE THING!!
by BoeJouma on Jun 15, 2009 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gordo
i always thought that SS was the best fielder – if the Savior could fill SS for a college team – he should be able to play 3B yeah? He’s been average at 3B from what we’ve seen in the few games he’s played.
I’m happy he’s has not pulled a Betemit.
by el paulito on Jun 15, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read all of the minor league updates. I followed the Barons on gameday.
But it’s another thing to see the savior in person. Glorious.
by 67WMAQ on Jun 14, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the activity on Sunday night.
Amazing what a 2 game win streak does to the SSS psyche.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 14, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny I was thinking the same thing.
ppb!
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
insomnia? what on earth are you doing awake right now?
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jun 14, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he got laid tonight, remember.
a little postcoitus internet browsing.
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by larry on Jun 14, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 14, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was trying to forget. still disturbing to think that he's getting any ass, however infrequently it may be.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jun 14, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It must be his birthday.
Happy birthday, WU!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 15, 2009 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not yet.
Wish it were my drivers license’s expiration.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scary to think what you get on drivers license expiration day
even scarier thinking the State of Florida allows you to continue to drive a vehicle. Golf cart, maybe….but even that’s a stretch.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 15, 2009 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of driver's licenses
I have a buddy from Arizona and his license doesn’t expire until 2053. His explanation is old people (older than WU ;) ) want it like that so they don’t have to ever get retested.
By the way, greetings from Nagoya Japan
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Jun 15, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Domo.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, if you stop by Okinawa, can you pick up of them Hattori Hanzō swords for me?
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 15, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a fun weekend
Well, Friday night stunk, but Saturday and Sunday were great. I think the crowd was at least 50% Sox fans for every game. The “let’s go White Sox” chants were so loud that it was almost like being at the Cell. I took some pictures…if they turned out okay I’ll post ’em in a day or so.
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
by HappyHuman on Jun 14, 2009 11:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the lets go white sox chants were heard on TV
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jun 14, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
made the trip to milwaukee today.....
Buehrle homered? Beckham clutch hit? Impeccable relief work? all this adds up to a fine time for the KenWo
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 14, 2009 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus cheese curds, cheap beer and sturdy girls.
Fine time indeed.
2 of 3 in Wrigley would make me forget about the last couple of weeks in the cell.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 15, 2009 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be honest
after last year 1 of 3 in wrigley would make me feel a little better. provided they can take care of business in the cell.
WordUpThome: BUT THE "FUN FACTS" ON THE BACKS OF YOUR BASED BALL CARDS SAY THAT YOU ARE A RELEVANCE ENTHUSIAST
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jun 15, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nonsense...this is our series to win
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 15, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed..
We’re both bad, it’s not like the Cubs are a great team right now either, no reason to think we can’t take 2 of 3.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 15, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this site so needs..
regularly scheduled sentiment polls, similar to the university of michigan consumer confidence index, as well as debtors prisons and a supra-site currency.
or at least dominate the reference section on wackypedia for all things sox.
Where time is meaningless, and outside of diamonds there are no dimensions.
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jun 15, 2009 12:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheat tried that last year.
or the year before? i think it was last though.
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by colintj on Jun 15, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, cheat said something similar when i suggested it before..
i still think it is a good idea. what’s stopping it? participation, or the laborious task of adjusting for the inevitable erroneous data points?
Where time is meaningless, and outside of diamonds there are no dimensions.
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jun 15, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anybody else notice it to be a little weird that thorton has as many wins as our #2 and #3 starters?
by 23chisox14 on Jun 15, 2009 2:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well he is the best pitcher on the planet
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
by Jbasic89 on Jun 15, 2009 3:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well he is the best pitcher on in the history of the planet
fixed
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 15, 2009 5:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is rivaling Paulie for our lone AS representative, thought AJ is making a case for inclusion, too.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pods will most likely get the write in vote this year.
Boy is raking! Looks like Willie Mays (hayes) out there….
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 15, 2009 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1622506,CST-SPT-soxnt15.article
No one foresaw Jose Contreras coming back so strong after being demoted to Class AAA Charlotte in May, but pitching coach Don Cooper says nothing Contreras does should shock anyone.
‘’I remember all the way from the beginning when we first brought him here and he struggled,’’ Cooper said Sunday. ‘’Everyone wanted to run him out of town, and then we saw everything that transpired after that, which was 2005 All-Star break until 2006 All-Star break, probably one of the best in baseball. You can’t take for granted a guy’s heart, pride and work ethic. I’m happily surprised, but I don’t know how surprised we should be.’’
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 15, 2009 6:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cuban Pride
Fidel taught him that in the sandlots in south Havana during the 50’s. Southside!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 15, 2009 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bloggers who cite FIP in SSS are fucking morons
so says Derek Carty in today’s THT
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 15, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
in the context of fantasy baseball, btw...
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 15, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, according to LIPS
bartolo is good.
by Hatchetm on Jun 15, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
forward to ozzie please
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 15, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The Real Neal"'s second comment is great
I haven’t looked into tRA, QERA, or xFIP, any thoughts on the conclusions of Mr. Carty?
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 15, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to my eyes
he’s not. and i don’t believe it is unlucky to give up home runs when throwing 1 pitch with little movement over the middle of the plate. that is a pitch that will be hit hard and long
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 15, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's pretty well known that FIP has some issues.
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by colintj on Jun 15, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which makes it pretty aggravating
when people use it as the basis of an argument
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 15, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FIP is just fine as the basis for a number of arguments.
but in those cases where HR has yet to normalize, it makes less sense to use it. it’s relationship with ERA is also very well documented, which makes it all the more attractive to use in 101 type arguments. there are many good reasons why fangraphs uses it for the basis of pitcher WAR.
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by colintj on Jun 15, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
god i'm itchin
for kenny to start dismantling this middling mess.
by Hatchetm on Jun 15, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't really see a reason to right now.
Our young guys aren’t ready for the big leagues, and our older guys aren’t really all that attractive to other teams outside of our bullpen for various reasons. The longer the season goes, the more injuries other teams will have, and the more attractive our guys become. What’s the rush?
I could understand if it was 2010 or 11 and Danks, Flowers, Allen, etc.. we’re ready. We have no one that is held back by keeping the veterans around. I guess Link comes to mind, but it’s not like he couldn’t take Gobble’s spot if they really wanted to bring him up.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 15, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This need to blow up a team is really out of control
Competing in a horrible division and rebuilding seems to be exactly what the Sox are doing. Why is that so terrible to some people?
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 15, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
it’s mid-June and we’re 4.5 games back. little early to start freaking
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 15, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sell into strength.
No one is freaking if that is the suggestion.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd be fine with shipping jenks out
think we should wait about a month before considering anyone else
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 15, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's what I would do as well
The time to be shopping Jenks is now, while lots of teams are considering buying. If a deal is out there for a decent young position player, they should take it.
I don’t see anyone else the Sox have being so attractive: Dye, Contreras, and Dotel can all be moved later if a deal materializes….
by hitlesswonder on Jun 15, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
we don’t really use jenks much- he’s probably going to get some bling from arb again…and Thornton has that closer look to him now.
by el paulito on Jun 15, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm dreaming jenks for smoak
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 15, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm excited to
get on with the rebuilding part.
by Hatchetm on Jun 15, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're already there.
If you’re that excited about it, take a trip down to Birmingham and you can see it in person.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 15, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or you can just drive to the cell and see it there.
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by larry on Jun 15, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 15, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no point just yet
Unless Kenny gets floored by an offer, why would he blow up the team when the division is still winnable? The deadline is 7/31, not 6/15
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 15, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great
watch the minor league thread. Nothing is exciting about fielding a crazy young team and losing 90+ games
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 15, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
better than watching a crazy old team
lose 85
by Hatchetm on Jun 15, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this team with Q coming back could make 0.500 in this division
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 15, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
failure is a whole lot cuter when it's little kids doing it.
i guess that’s why parents love watching their 5 year olds play soccer.
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by larry on Jun 15, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are a lot more teams
In far far worse positions than us who aren’t selling off their roster, hell kenny wasn’t selling off the team in 07 when he sould have. What indication do we have that he will now, we know he hates fielding a losing team and this team has a better chance of winning than any farmers we have. We’re not THAT FAR removed from having beat the Angels and sweeping the Royals (which isn’t that much of a feat except for Greinke).
WordUpThome: BUT THE "FUN FACTS" ON THE BACKS OF YOUR BASED BALL CARDS SAY THAT YOU ARE A RELEVANCE ENTHUSIAST
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jun 15, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"hell kenny wasn’t selling off the team in 07 when he sould have."
and if he did, do you think we win the division in ’08????
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 15, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
we don’t. so why sell all our attractive pieces now when we’re still a half decent team? It not like we have major league ready youngsters or free agents who actually want to come here.
WordUpThome: BUT THE "FUN FACTS" ON THE BACKS OF YOUR BASED BALL CARDS SAY THAT YOU ARE A RELEVANCE ENTHUSIAST
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jun 15, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
presented without comment or agenda.
if one assumes that 86 games will win the division (that’s what rick hahn thought a couple weeks ago and i think all will agree that’s a reasonable assessment), the white sox will need to go 56-42 the rest of the way. the tigers will need to go 52-47.
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by larry on Jun 15, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it can be done larry, goddamnit!
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 15, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
misunderstood the tone of your remark...agreed
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 15, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because there is hope in youth. (Old doen't improve except in wine.)
Except for some of the posters here. (Ginger, I’m looking at you.)
;)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because they're fucking idiots
They thinking short when they should be thinking long – shameful shit.
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 15, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you. I hope that wasn't directed at those of us that think
an orderly pruning/rebalancing/talent assessment makes sense. Fer Chrissakes, the economics of the game are changed for years to come. Best to get ahead of the curve.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mind the tongue and cheek (and crude) comment, directed mostly at the extremists who want to simply blow up the team because they're not meeting their unreasonable expectations of the present
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 15, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm with you.
WordUpThome: BUT THE "FUN FACTS" ON THE BACKS OF YOUR BASED BALL CARDS SAY THAT YOU ARE A RELEVANCE ENTHUSIAST
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jun 15, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy the ride over the cliff.
(Just stoking the Black Panther in you guys.)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
better than being ambushed and murdered like Fred I suppose...
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 15, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So more moves like the Swisher trade?
Moving players for 60 cents on the dollar because “something needs to be done”?
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think kdub knows inside that he pulled the trigger too soon on swish, don't expect a repeat
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 15, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
60 cents? I'd kill for 60 cents on the dollar from the Swisher trade. I'm not sure we even got a nickel back.
by CWSKeith on Jun 15, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol!
rec’d!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 15, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Sox should bring Kroeger up and have him play CF...
He’s in AAA, right?
by hitlesswonder on Jun 15, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was clever, Q2. Rec'd.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by larry on Jun 15, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah the hilarious part
is how fucking useful he’d be for this team. Q’s out you say? Paulie has a lingering issue? You’re sick of throwing BA out in CF?
…fuckinaye.
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
by colintj on Jun 15, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he's kicking ass right now.
It was nice when he was doubled off 2nd the other night, deep in thought (or looking at chicks in the stands) to help his team lose.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather watch Swisher contribute to a loss than Wise
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd rather have a team with 9 wises
than 1 swisher.
brian anderson would've caught that...
by BuehrleMan on Jun 15, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
9 wises?
that’d be bloody awful…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 15, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are just all slaves to you, OM.
Meat.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the rush is this
red itchy rash i’ve developed.
by Hatchetm on Jun 15, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Add the "an" and I'll take you at your word.
Otherwise…not a “MAN”.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Molly Hatchet
The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander
by Chiburb on Jun 15, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is the word on Q actually, last i heard was torn something, any updates from will carroll or anybody?
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 15, 2009 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
doing light jogging
with no timetable for return per today’s paper.
by Hatchetm on Jun 15, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard he is not stretching his foot.
by Ahillock on Jun 15, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calf.
He’s not stretching his calf.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh those bones, oh those bones,
oh those skeleton bones.
Oh those bones, oh those bones,
oh those skeleton bones.
Oh those bones, oh those bones,
oh those skeleton bones.
Oh mercy how they scare!
With the toe bone connected
to the foot bone,
and the foot bone connected
to the ankle bone,
and the ankle bone connected
to the leg bone.
Oh mercy how they scare!
Oh those bones, oh those bones,
oh those skeleton bones.
Oh those bones, oh those bones,
oh those skeleton bones.
Oh those bones, oh those bones,
oh those skeleton bones.
Oh mercy how they scare!
With the leg bone connected
to the knee bone,
and the knee bone connected
to the thigh bone,
and the thigh bone connected
to the hip bone.
Oh mercy how they scare!
Oh those bones, oh those bones,
oh those skeleton bones.
Oh those bones, oh those bones,
oh those skeleton bones.
Oh those bones, oh those bones,
oh those skeleton bones.
Oh mercy how they scare!
With the hip bone connected
to the back bone,
and the back bone connected
to the neck bone,
and the neck bone connected
to the head bone,
Oh mercy how they scare!
Oh those bones, oh those bones,
oh those skeleton bones.
Oh those bones, oh those bones,
oh those skeleton bones.
Oh those bones, oh those bones,
oh those skeleton bones.
Oh mercy how they scare!
With the finger bone connected
to the hand bone,
and the hand bone connected
to the arm bone,
and the arm bone connected
to the shoulder bone,
Oh mercy how they scare!
Oh those bones, oh those bones,
oh those skeleton bones.
Oh those bones, oh those bones,
oh those skeleton bones.
Oh those bones, oh those bones,
oh those skeleton bones.
Oh mercy how they scare!
With the shoulder bone connected
to the back bone,
and the back bone connected
to the neck bone,
and the neck bone connected
to the head bone.
Oh mercy how they scare!
by Ahillock on Jun 15, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bones bones brittle little bones
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
by colintj on Jun 15, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this sweet sweet skeleton i hold
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Jun 15, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
June 26, 1986
on their way to a 90 loss season, the white sox trade tom seaver for steve lyons.
by Hatchetm on Jun 15, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was Hawk as GM, no?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 15, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
July 29, 1989:
Harold Baines and Fred Manrique to the Texas Rangers for Wilson Alvarez, Scott Fletcher and Sammy Sosa.
by Hatchetm on Jun 15, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Much better.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome trade
we got George Bell for Sammy Sosa…that really helped us!
by el paulito on Jun 15, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
July 27, 1995
Jim Abbott and Tim Fortugno to the California Angels for McKay Christensen, Andrew Lorraine, Bill Simas and John Snyder.
where did simas pick up the nickname “steamer?”
by Hatchetm on Jun 15, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hopefully cleveland
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 15, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice play.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 15, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
August 28, 1995:
Jose Deleon to the Montreal Expos for Jeff Shaw.
by Hatchetm on Jun 15, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this is riveting.
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by larry on Jun 15, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm on the edge of my seat
hang on, I need to keep reading
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 15, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get ready for the twist ending....
I’m thinking it’s going to be a trade for Figgins
by hitlesswonder on Jun 15, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
July 31, 1997:
Danny Darwin, Wilson Alvarez and Roberto Hernandez to the San Francisco Giants for Brian Manning, Lorenzo Barcelo, Mike Caruso, Keith Foulke, Bobby Howry and Ken Vining.
I still think this was a good trade.
by Hatchetm on Jun 15, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the firesale...
i was disappointed when this trade was done – but it was a fairly good one in retrospect.
by el paulito on Jun 15, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
July 25, 2002:
Ray Durham traded by the Chicago White Sox with cash to the Oakland Athletics for Jon Adkins.
I heard somewhere that KW thought the FA compensation system was going to be overhauled at the end of the year which is the only possible defense for this trade.
by Hatchetm on Jun 15, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
boooooooooooo
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by ChicagoShirleigh on Jun 15, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
July, 2007
Tadahito traded to Philadelphia Phillies for Michael Dubee.
Mackowiak to the San Diego Padres for Jon Link.
by Hatchetm on Jun 15, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
notice tha all but one of these have come in at least july?
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 15, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are quite bored, aren't you?
How about posting a FanShot about your ideas for a proposed reallocation of resources? Now THAT would be interesting. Call it the “Black Flag” trade – stomp out the roaches.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proposed reaollocation of resources:
1. trade a bunch of veterans for non-prospects
2. put a rosy spin on it
3. allocate salary savings to JR and investors.
by Hatchetm on Jun 15, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
June, 2004
Jeremy Reed, Miguel Olivo, Michael Morse traded to Seattle for Freddy Garcia, Ben Davis, and Cash
(I just wanted a Ben Davis reference)
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 15, 2009 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a great trade. In June.
Cash is always nice.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Davis drove in Timo Perez - leading to one of the great Hawk-isms of all time.
C’MON TIMO! C’MON TIMO! C’MON TIMO!
If I hated my co-workers – that would be my ringtone.
by 67WMAQ on Jun 15, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's so awesome you should do it regardless
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 15, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
july 9, 1912
white sox purchase eddie cicotte from boston red sox.
brian anderson would've caught that...
by BuehrleMan on Jun 15, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
july 29, 1781
Skirmish at the House in the Horseshoe: A Tory force under David Fanning attacks Phillip Alston’s smaller force of Whigs at Alston’s home in Cumberland County, North Carolina (in present day Moore County, North Carolina). Alston’s troops surrender after Fanning’s men attempt to ram the house with a cart of burning straw.
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by larry on Jun 15, 2009 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
who got to keep the cart?
If Alston gets it, I think he wins this trade hands down.
;)
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 15, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We won't be able to accurately decide a winner in this trade for a few more hundred years...
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 15, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it a wooden cart?
Brilliant.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of things:
1) People thought I was crazy when I said Contreras would help us after being sent down. I believe he is reinventing himself to a primarily finesse pitcher with a still decent enough fastball. I believe he can be helpful for another couple of years. 2) The idea of either being a buyer or seller is too vague and doesn’t mean much anymore. The fact of the matter is thinking so black and white leaves very little room for creativity and is a very dangerous proposition. I think this is a strength of Kenny’s.
by dantesox on Jun 15, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
YOU SO CRAZY, DANTE! YOU SO CRAZY!
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by larry on Jun 15, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd.
Brevity.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I recommended this post because of the cheesy beard / sunglasses combo and the cymbal looks like it's warped because of the lighting on the underside of said cymbal
also of interest are the crappy 80’s lettering and field of alfalfa in the background. These are the reasons I have recommended this picture.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 15, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm
C * C factory- Pot Pie odds? 50/50. Maybe wishful thinking. Colon has settled back to look like the 4 or 5 expected, but the end maybe near (still a good deal though). There is a reason KW is looking for pitching. Contreras pitched his way to triple A where he is trying to get it together. He pitches in the double header this week. At some point Contreras may give the White Sox 1 good run before taking his 10 million contract away for ever.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 15, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's fucking batshit crazy
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by larry on Jun 15, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU SO CRAZY, TDOGG! YOU SO CRAZY!
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
August 12, 1975
Steely Dan trades Michael McDonald and Skunk Baxter to the Doobie Brothers for Tom Johnston and cash.
by 67WMAQ on Jun 15, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am going to see Steely Dan tonight.
I’ll give the trade review in the morning.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget your
inflatable neck pillow.
by Hatchetm on Jun 15, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donald Fagen looks like a guy who melts in bright light
So much for a Glamour Profession.
by 67WMAQ on Jun 15, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did that trade raise the GQ (gay quotient) or reduce it?
I expect to comment tonight.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My friend was Skunk Baxter for Halloween one year.
Though less actual Skunk Baxter and more Yacht Rock’s version of Skunk Baxter
by CatBrains on Jun 15, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you ask him, "Which Doobie you be?"
"Very clearly, we are in a transitional phase." – Kenny Williams (6/10/09)
by tailgater on Jun 15, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the pic above,
is MB’s hand that huge or is Cox a gnome? F-nuts’ hand looks the size of my daughter’s.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 15, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs