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Just Slippin on by on L.S.D.: A Chicago Cubs Preview

A brief look at an opponent we play over the next two weeks.

Dates we play them: 6/16-6/18 @ Wrigley, 6/26-6/28 at home

Offense: A potential batting order and lineup: Alfonso Soriano-LF, Mike Fontenot-3B, Milton Bradley-RF, Derrek Lee-1B, Geovany Soto-C, Kosuke Fukudome-CF, Ryan Theriot-SS, Aaron Miles-2B  Bench: Reed Johnson-CF, Bobby Scales-IF

Alfonso Soriano, he of the .327 career OBP and .515 career SLG is still leading off.  This has always baffled me.  I know he is more comfortable batting lead-off (or something), but those numbers scream that he should be further down in the lineup.  AlSo has been in a bit of a slump this month (and season).  While the potentially 33 year old may be slipping a bit due to old age, it's more than likely that this slump is BABIP-related, as he is .054 points below his career norm (this will be a common theme today).  The $136 million-man will be playing for the Cubs until 2014, because no team is going to want to pick that contract up in a trade (he also has a full NTC).  But he seems like such a nice guy.  Mike Fontenot should not be a starter.  His career splits show he shouldn't be seeing to many lefties, but the shoulder injury to Aramis Ramirez has pushed him into that role.  UZR has him looking not-so-hot at the hot corner, as he should be playing second base.  And now, Milton Bradley.  Milton is known as a crazy person throughout baseball, and deservedly so.  That's not why signing the 31 year old to a three year deal was a bad idea.  The fact that he is a DH now being expected to play rightfield at Wrigely is.  The man is a butcher in the field and trotting him out there everyday is going to lead to him being hurt.  He hasn't played in more than 126 games since 2004.  He needs his BABIP to swing back (.070 below career norm) or those fans will eat him alive.  To say that Derrek Lee really hasn't been the same since his wrist injury back in 2006 wouldn't exactly be fair.  It seems more accurate to say that may have knocked him back to Earth.  His 2005 season was unholy.  Lee continues to provide an above-average bat and glove at first, but don't expect him to stay up north past 2010, when his contract runs out.  He is one of the only Cubs' hitters actually hitting like he should so far this season, so if anyone does significant damage from their lineup this week, my money is on him.

Last season's NL RotY, Geovany Soto has had a rough season so far.  His power numbers have been way down, most likely due to an early-season injury.  All of his secondary numbers except ISO say he should start bouncing back.  Here's hoping it takes another two weeks.  The forgiveness for Fukudome's mid-season collapse last year kind of surprises me.  Yeah, he's doing great right now, but he did the same thing last year in the first half.  I'm not saying he'll collapse again after the ASB, but I wouldn't be shocked by it either.  The object of every female Cubs fan I know's affection, Ryan Theriot, is hitting way down in the order this season.  I think it's safe to call Theriot a grinder, as he hits for no power, steals bases (badly as of late), and plays above-average defense.  Essentially, he is an infield version of pre-groin injury Scott Podsednik, with less speed.  Aaron Miles has been so bad this year that he makes our troubles at second base pale in comparison.  How badly do you think they wish they still has Mark DeRosa?

Star-divide

Pitching: A potential rotation and closer: Carlos Zambrano-RHP, Ted Lilly-LHP, Ryan Dempster-RHP, Rich Harden-RHP, Randy Wells-RHP and Kevin Gregg-RHP

We all know Carlos Zambrano by now.  He's an above-average right-hander who strikes out a ton of guys, but walks about half as many every year.  He is also the only player in the major leagues who can give Milton Bradley a run for his money as craziest bastard out there.  He is mainly a fastball and slider guy, but also uses a cutter and a split-finger as well.  Ted Lilly is having a career-year (150 ERA+).  The good news for him is he has lowered his walk rate.  The bad news is his K rate dropped as well and his opponents' BABIP is .032 below his average.  Will he continue to have a good year? Probably.  Will it be as good as it has been? Probably not.  The Cubs gave Ryan Dempster a Mark Buehrle-esque contract this off-season just before the market crapped out despite the fact that last season was only his second above average season as a starter this decade.  He's been good so far, but he is yet another over-30 player with a back-loaded contract, which is starting to make the Cubs look like the Yankees of a few years ago (not the WS winning ones though).  Ryan Dempster also had an altercation with the Gatorade machine, leading upper management to remove it from the dugout.  Perhaps they would be interested in a different sports drink?  Rich Harden has shown signs of humanity this season, allowing two less homeruns so far in about 100 less innings.  He's still got his good stuff and is still as fragile as the old people in the Life Alert ads, but maybe the NL is adjusting to him (though it could just be bad luck).  Randy Wells will be our doom.  He is a slow-throwing righty we've never seen before, which is bad enough for us.  The fact that he has been dominating the NL in his 42.1 innings so far is even worse.  Kevin Gregg isn't that great of a closer.  He gets a lot of strikeouts, be he walks his fair share of guys and is giving up homers at an alarming rate this season.

Outlook:  The Cubs are in win-now mode.  The farm is barren and their starting lineup only has one guy under 29.  While they aren't hitting like they were last year, they should still have a solid lineup once they regress to the mean and their pitching has been top notch so far.  But I like us, and seeing as I can't bring myself to pick them to win the season series, my bottom line is us winning it 4-2.

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Love the "nice guy" link... is he still married? Hahahahahahahahaha!

OK, back to reading your post…

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 11:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish they did some creative television musical chairs

Mix and match Hawk, Stone Poney, crew cut and Brenly

by billyok on Jun 16, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

one of our beloved regulars is on the radio right now

http://player.streamtheworld.com/liveplayer.php?callsign=WGNAM#Main

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 16, 2009 12:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

KenWo? WTGTD?

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, newer regular

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 16, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No It All?

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dante?

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ChicagoSurely?

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

plery fial

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

doin solid so far today, btw

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 16, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Bang up preview, by the way….

by 67WMAQ on Jun 16, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

tomorrow i’ll actually get to catch the whole show

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 16, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You audience increases by 200+

every time you post here. Does that even register in the final tally?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let us know when you are on.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LIZ?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope the weather holds...

but at least the rain will wash away some of the piss from the aisles in that shithole…

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Jun 16, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I will say this is one of your best team reviews

The Soriano link was awesome.

Man, do I hate this time of the year and the nonsense cubs-sox series it brings… You want to ignore it but yet you get all sucked in. Although just right now got back from lunch, was standing in line with a guy in cubs gear, i was in sox, and we had a decent conversation about the series. It was nice … weird.

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Jun 16, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just say no...

“Just say no” doesn’t work for drugs/sex but if you stay away from Cowley tweets, the rags formerly known as newspapers, AM radio, and ESPN you’ve got a 50-50 chance of not getting sucked in.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you wish each other luck and then submit your lineup cards?

Plus U-God, Scales has been demoted to the minors. But, a very good post.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well good thing i only listed him as bench

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 16, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea, minus the lineup card thing

and he called me chief. Basically we were sucking it up to karma, hoping she helps us out. Lady Karma is nicer than Lady Hope.

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Jun 16, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Puss.

What is this, old England? Be a terrorist! Take no prisoners! The only good Cub fan is a…

Well, you know. You are Eastern European. Remember your ancestors, dammit.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really need to take it easy

because i can get riled up about it and then I will just be barking at everyone for the next three days

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Jun 16, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good job, PF

but where’s the link to the song, man? AH&J’s one big hit is a great one.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

here you go OPOS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjNSmAl7hF0

The main reason i know this song is they used to play it on “Fox Thing in the Morning” back when the man WMAQ is filling in for hosted it.

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 16, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 16, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First post of the day disses my age.

I am honored. You POS.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm calling bullshit on this

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090616/ap_on_re_us/fbn_stallworth_pedestrian_killed_7

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 16, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How much is a 15 year-old girl's life worth

from a guy with a $4.5MM roster bonus and an increased income stream?

Hope her folks enjoy the check.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he killed the 15 year old, too?

nice work. and that whole house arrest thing is going to cut into that increased income stream.

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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I misread that slightly.

But I love the guy – 59 with a 15 year old daughter. That’s my demographic exactly. So he deserves a bit more than 30 days.

BTW, “house arrest” means he can still go to work, si?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

when work is in denver, sometimes judges have a problem with that.

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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL.

Sometimes. “Special circumstances”, sometimes? You know, handcuff him like Elwood Blues to a briefcase, fly him to the mountains under armed guard, deplanes to a cheering Denver throng, gets uncuffed, plays.

Or maybe the Dolphins should trade for him.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nothing good comes out of this no matte what the decision

I kind of can see how the family just wanted to get this over with. Talk about a night gone wrong. For some people killing another human being doesn’t sit well. I am not sure what kind of person Dante is, but it might screw him up good… I knew a guy who killed someone by accident, dude, he never was the same again. His life pretty much died that night too.

Also, what Stallworth did in my book is way way way worse than Vick’s grooming practices.

It is easy for us humans to take things for granted and just one bad decision, one unlucky twist, and bam… where is sha and her essays on this, anyways?

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Jun 16, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

na na

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

-niqua.

Shanananiqua!
I’ve found my first daughter’s name.

Just [expletive] Fuck It.

by ChicagoShirleigh on Jun 16, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you could do worse...

leigh…a. Er, yeah…Leigha would be worse!

;)

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The guy wasn't in a crosswalk...

I’m sure the family got a lot of money. Unless it’s a running a red light situation or something along those lines, I for the most part blame pedestrians for pedestrian – car incidents, just because the pedestrian really should be more concerned for their safety. The fact is they more to lose.

In general I rail against drunk driving and am all for the harshest penalties allowed, due to my own personal experiences (not of driving, but of the result of what happened to a friend), but I just find it hard to put too much blame on Stallworth here. I don’t know if him being sober stops this accident, and the guy walking has to be more careful. I have just as much of an issue with stupid pedestrians putting themselves in harm way, jumping in front of my car all the time, so I can understand how something like this happens.

Also WU, the guy is 59, he has a 15 year old daughter who is still alive, not that it makes it any less bad.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was Stallworth's fault the 15 yr old girl is still alive. If I read that right.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't eff up on SSS, can one?

Thank God I’ve had practice. And screw you people – I’ve had a fanstastic business and family week. Sayonara, suckers!!!!!!!!

(Gets into car, drinks pint of tequila, speeds off, looking for a non-crosswalk pedestrian.)

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My post was in reference to Grinder's blaming the stupid pedestrians who always

jump in front of his car. Damn Stallworth didn’t complete the job.

But if you want to personalize it, feel free!

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Naw, his writing might've been confusing,

but I effed up the facts. Take me! Spare GIT!

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope. Didn't even read your post. Still not going to.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hate. You.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who here doesn’t drive 50 in a 40? It’s not like he was going 85. But yes.. I’d blame that pedestrian first, it’s like I said. He has more to lose. If I’m crossing a street, I’m looking both ways. Maybe that’s just me.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

personally i blame the guy who drove around a stopping vehicle in an attempt to beat a red light.

but maybe that’s just me.

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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see that part in the article? If that’s the case, that changes it a bit, but none the less I still think the pedestrian is partially to blame. You cross the street, not at a cross walk, you are putting your life in someone else’s hands.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm aware of the concept of contributory negligence.

i’m also aware of people who spend too much time posting their opinion without fully grasping the facts.

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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The article says nothing about him avoiding a red light, or passing someone who was stopped. It says a guy walked across the street, not at a cross walk. With that information I’m blaming the pedestrian.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have actually read

more than I probably should have on this incident, but have not seen anything supporting what you state above. Maybe I am just reading the wrong shit.

The guy was actually crossing in an area where the east/westbound lanes were divided by a concrete barrier. Stupid. Really stupid. But, that doesn’t mean I agree with the punishment or lack thereof . . . 30 days is ludicrous. This just speaks to money talking.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jun 16, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

miami herald today.

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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't the fact that he flashed his brights at the guy lead you to some conclusions as well?

Like maybe he should have stopped instead of playing the god complex “get the hell out of my way I’m in a Bentley”?

Facts as they are, he was a dipshit. At least he stopped and took responsibility for his actions.

To add my two cents, people who commit crimes and go to prison often come out criminals.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree he’s a dipshit, and committed a crime. I also think, if the other guy followed the law he wouldn’t be dead. Both are to blame, and for that, I think the punishment he has is fine. Assuming he’s even a half decent human, the time in jail won’t matter nearly as much as the guilt anyways.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I corrected myself above.

Tough to say “if he was sober, it still might’ve happened”. But I hear you.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stallworth wasn’t driving faster than most of us here do. The guy crossed the street, at night, not at a crosswalk. He put himself in danger. Honestly, who here isn’t driving 50 or close to it, in a 40 mph zone? If I only drive 10 over on the expressway today on the way home from work, I’d probably get rear ended.

I’m completely against drunk driving, and think Stallworth should get the full punishment for whatever a DUI is these days, but at the same time, he wasn’t plowing through a red light, going 30 mph over the speedlimit. The guy was driving 10mph over the speed limit, something just about everyone else out there does. I just don’t think he should spending a long time in prison for hitting a guy at night, in the middle of the street, where there wasn’t a cross walk.

It’s obviously a terrible situation for everyone involved, the family, and Stallworth, but I just don’t see how you can’t think the pedestrian is also to blame. You put yourself in a bad situation and things like this happen.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

7:15 AM

Just [expletive] Fuck It.

by ChicagoShirleigh on Jun 16, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t see the 7, I had read this part “who was driving his black 2005 Bentley after a night drinking at a swanky hotel bar.”

My fault, although it doesn’t really change my argument. Pedestrian walks in the middle of the road, not at a crosswalk, it’s on him to pay attention to the cars on the road.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm glad you don't write our laws.

really glad.

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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you think given the information I have (Guy walks across the middle of the street, not at a crosswalk), that the guy driving a car is the only person to blame? Does that change if Stallworth is sober? If so, why? It’s just as possible a guy driving is focused on the car in front of him, or doesn’t have the best vision, or is tired from a long night of working.

The guy walking across the street does’t know if drivers are sober, tired, distracted or drunk. You aren’t going to live a very long life if you just go around walking across every street you come to, assuming people are going to see you and stop.

What is the point of a crosswalk if the pedestrian doesn’t need to use it?

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"i'm aware of the concept of contributory negligence."

please don’t tell me what i think. especially when i explicitly tell you the opposite.

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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I asked if that’s what you think. My original point was Stallworth’s punishment was plenty fair considering the pedestrian was also to blame, which is what you also said (contributory negligence).

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just give it up grinder

YOU’RE WRONG!

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 16, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s an opinion, there’s no need to give it up. It’s my opinion.. I think the punishment is fair. The court apparently agrees w/ me so I’m not the only one.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And OJ is innocent!

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, what OJ did was justified

that bitch shouldn’t have been cheatin on his ass!

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 17, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No lie, Bwana.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You killed my dog, Lucky when I was a child...didn't you?!

You bastard!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lucky should've used the crosswalk.

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- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was asking for it.

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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OTOH, why didn't Bobby have him on a leash?

;-)

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- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was in Bobby's living room at the time.

In Kuwait.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was later when I single handedly saved the world from an evil

dictatorship with just my musket and some packing tape.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aha! I think your tools were just found.

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- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My dad used both of these excuses as he left the gate open

in our back yard and Lucky (whom was my mother’s dog) decided to “run” out into the middle of Roosevelt road and get hit by a truck. Lucky hated my father.

my mother refuted both with, “Bobby is only a year and a half old.”

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

doesn't surprise me.

dogs are known to be assholes like that. i’m with your dad.

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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man's best friend.

Liars. Alcohol and money are still man’s best friends.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hate dogs.

they’d sell you out for a fucking dog treat. no goddamn loyalty.

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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...wait for you to die and then eat your eyeballs and brains.

patient fucks.

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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But then they have to clean up your shat out remains

it’s pretty much a wash, if you ask me.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me started.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You remind me of my dad, you cantankerous bastard. ;)

Do you ever smile?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you then correct your mother? "Was", Mom. Lucky "was 1 1/2".

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- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I say people should pay attention no matter where they're crossing. A crosswalk doesn't protect you from shit. And I witness a whole lot of this bullshit every day out here - this reliance on crosswalks replacing people's awareness of their surroundings.

Yes, the guy should be paying attention, but if a car is speeding and running lights and there is another car obstructing the pedestrian’s view, I mean shit….there is responsibility on the driver here.
Especially if he’s been drinking, he knows it, he should drive slower and more cautiously. Period.

You’ve never run across a street to catch a bus or something and when you looked, it was clear, but then a car came out of seemingly nowhere?

And additionally – what the fuck is flashing your brights going to do for a guy in the morning? That’s what your fucking horn is for.

Just [expletive] Fuck It.

by ChicagoShirleigh on Jun 16, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't waste your carpal tunnels.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said both were to blame. I just think his punishment is fair, UGod seems to think he deserves much worse.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think others might think the same...

based upon, you know, public feedback.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure if others think that,

or if they’re reacting to the idiocy of GIT’s defense of Stallworth.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

30 days is tough, man.

i mean, 15 days i could see. maybe. but the other guy wasn’t in the crosswalk. and it was dark. and he knew stallworth was speeding, drunk, and running that red light. he was just begging to be run down and killed. fucking immigrants.

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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They just beg for it. They even name their daughters "Lucky".

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one has even considered how late Stallworth eneded up being to wherever he was speeding off to.

How about THAT as a mitigating factor? What if he was supposed to pick up his posse at the airport? What if he was on his way to choke a bitch?

See, the article doesn’t include that. I’m with GIT and CS on this.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

As George Carlin once said (in a mock conversation to a police officer who was ticketing him for a moving violation):

(not exact)
“Can we speed this up? I got a trunk-full of heroin and a party full of people waiting for me!”

Just [expletive] Fuck It.

by ChicagoShirleigh on Jun 16, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carlin.

Probably died in front of his cat. Eyes and brains missing when police arrived.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That cat probably had some crazy hallucinegenics

for about a week after that meal.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His cat friends probably had the time of their lives though

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 16, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i accidentally

locked my keys in my car parked on franklin and huron in front of planned parenthood. how do i go in and ask for a wire coat hanger for a quick fix without sounding like a complete asshole

Hawk; "what would you do in that situation"

"id hit him" ;Stone

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 16, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You dun and did it, OPOS!

I’ll have you know that I had to get up from my desk, leave my office, and walk outside to keep from busting out laughing at this comment and have to explain it to my office-mate and eavesdropping boss.

Fucking wrecked.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not defending him, I’m defending the punishment he was given. He did plenty wrong, I just think the punishment fits the crime.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn’t change my opinion that I think it was fair.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can keep your own opinion - it's America -

no matter how unjust or illogical it is.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just ask limbaugh.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well luckily for me and Dante Stallworth, the people that write our laws apparently agree with me.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What was he doing on your bike?

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- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Rim shot.)

(Though funny.)

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I once shot an elephant in my pajamas...

What he was doing in my pajamas I’ll never know.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you waste gas, drive the speed limit.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My time is more valuable than the money I spend on gas.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This afternoon my be killing you from a psychic

or time-value-of-money perspective, then.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big rec. Big.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, I cant get over that

Has time to honk his horn and flash his lights, but doesn’t even try to stop . . . like at all. What the f?

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jun 16, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, I cant get over that

Has time to honk his horn and flash his lights, but doesn’t even try to stop . . . like at all. What the f?

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jun 16, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

30 days jail (retch) and 2 years house arrest

or a couple of hours with a cop? Hmmm…

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, dont forget the 8 years probation

and the lifetime dl suspension that can be reduced to 5 years!!!

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jun 16, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently I cant get over it so much

I decided to post it 2x

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jun 16, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there was that much time how did the guy not get out of the way? If he was hurrying across the street, I find it hard to believe someone couldn’t move the necessary width of a car to get out of the way.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't you also have an issue with sympathizing re: the Angels pitcher

who was killed by a car?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, not at all.. that’s completely different. He didn’t do anything wrong, at least that I know of, as Larry’s shown, clearly not all websites give all the information. But from what I know, I don’t think Adenhart did anything wrong, I could be mistaken though. I thought it was just a hit and run, with someone blowing a red light. I don’t think he was even the driver?

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did a quick search through my posts, I don’t see anything suggesting I did. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong though. I don’t see any parallels from this situation and that one, or know why I would have suggested Adenhart had anything to do with his death or that he was at fault, so I can’t imagine I said anything negative about him.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those are 2 different things
Your first instinct if you see someone or something in the middle of your lane should be to hit the brakes and try to stop . . . not honk the horn and flash your lights.

Second, you come by my place, hang out over the top of a hill for a bit. I am not going to tell you when I am coming . . . you will have less than 2 seconds to get out of the way of a car moving 50 mph . . . good luck.

I am not absolving the guy from being an idiot. But, if you are speeding and after a night of drinking and are still intoxicated (.126 is nothing to sneeze at) . . . well, I can’t help you there.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jun 16, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You bring up an excellent point. I am interested in hearing more of your driving advice.

Do you perhaps have a newsletter to which I can subscribe?

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then you're legit!

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you become a suscriber in the future

make sure to contact me. with an appropriate donation, we won’t advertise you as bitch of the month

Always bet on black!

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 16, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I sure would appreciate it ;)

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those is one lofty goal, OSFIB. I'm sure you can achieve it if you try ;)

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many stoplights do you see on the expressway that I referred to?
If I only drive 10 over on the expressway today on the way home from work, I’d probably get rear ended.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

precisely 6

I’m assuming that you live on the expressway, correct?

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So the fact that I’d save some time on the expressway doesn’t count because I’ll be at stop lights for the last part of my commute? It’s not like those stop lights are going to be longer because the first 30 minutes of my drive was spent going faster than the speed limit. What is your point?

I said if I drove 10 over on the expressway (which would be going pretty slow compared to the rest of traffic), I never said anything about trying to speed downtown through a bunch of stop lights.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simmer down there big fella

there was a fair amount of busting your balls in my comment, not that you necessarily knew that because I failed to work in “clearly”, but it is silly to be speeding around town because it wastes gas and serves to raise everyone’s stress levels.

You are correct that it can be unsafe to have cars tailgating you and whizzing by you if you are driving 10 MPH below the speed of traffic. In that instance, it’s probably best to just keep up with traffic.

Just to keep those gears turning, on long stretches of open road you may come out a bit ahead on your trips by speeding, but if you look at the larger picture you probably don’t save any time overall because it means you have to refill more often.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you familiar with the minutemen's double nickels on the dime?

they were mocking sammy hagar’s rebel song ‘i can’t drive 55’

Always bet on black!

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 16, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you confuse me with the duality of your posting?

Is this a commentary on your latent schizophrenia?

THANK YOU NATE SILVER, TECHNOLOGY IS THE TOPS

by Hazymania on Jun 16, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am indeed

I also own that album. Quite nice, but I didn’t catch the ref. Thanks.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dear Amy
my father — now in his late 70s — constantly surfs the Internet.

He can spend hours playing computer games or looking up and forwarding useless information. He sends countless e-mails to me, my siblings and his friends. The subjects range from politics to humor to pornography.

Some of his friends have told me that they feel harassed by his e-mails.

This has gotten way out of hand. I am not only embarrassed by some of the things he sends, but it has gotten to a point where e-mail has become his favorite means of communication.

I’ve talked to him about it and I’ve even threatened to put him on my spam list, but I don’t think he understands how I feel.

- CS/HSA

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 16, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear CS/HSA

Old people can be SO embarrassing, can’t they? If it’s any consolation, he’ll likely be dead before long. Try to hang in there until that happy day!

Amy

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sophomores: The AL Central
The Chicago White Sox club did not employ many rookies in 2008. In fact, Cuban defectee and middle infielder Alexei Ramirez was the only rookie to see extended playing time for the club. Ramirez, 27, had a fine debut season, although his walk rate was noticeably lacking with at 3.6 BB%. On the plus side, the lanky infielder has almost doubled that rate in 2009 to 7.0 BB% while maintaining an almost identical 12.8 K%. His triple-slash numbers has dropped from .290/.317/.475 to .252/.302/.345. Ramirez’ impressive power display from 2008, which resulted in 21 home runs in 480 at-bats, has bottomed out in 2009 with his ISO dropping from .185 to .093. His offense value has obviously decreased significantly, but he’s moved from second base to shortstop where his defense has been better than average, which helps soften the blow.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/sophomores-the-al-central/

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 16, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting - other than Span,

who seems quite consistent, all the others who were interesting as freshman seem to have fallen off. Che’s actually hanging in better than most of his soph Central brethren.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pussy. fangraphs are some biased mofos!

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your comment confuses me.

Not that it is unusual, but am I supposed to infer that Fangraphs sucks because they like the White Sox?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So last year.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, so you dump che just like that

he hurt your feelings bro?

Always bet on black!

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 16, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't call Hochevar's performance above-average.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we are they all above average is baffling

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 16, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so it wasn't just me

good to know.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

eesh.

good call. “were”. bleh.

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Jun 16, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DB. Keehrist.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was trying to say

that if they were all above average but played just one season, you’d expect them to regress.

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Jun 16, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Toonder is right.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 16, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw,

say hi from wiz to toonder next time you see him/talk to him

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 16, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

reply to first post

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 16, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

conduct your own seance, buddy ;)

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

so you're saying we should vote on what your name should be?

layup.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

PortSlut? Gets my vote (but not my money).

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Lay down" seems more appropriate than "layup".

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too much time thinking about yourself.

Join AmeriCorps or something.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we care about this "toonder's" opinion why...?

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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because he used to be somebody. Like TAEG.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds a lot like an ex-radio sports talk guy.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed. And I still don't know who he is. Pat Cassiday maybe?

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we don't care

why are you posting it?

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because that is how the thought originated...from Toonder. And I do care. I'm just in denial.

TOOOOONNNDDDERRRRRR WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY COOOMMMMMMEE BAAAACCCCKKKKKK!

Just [expletive] Fuck It.

by ChicagoShirleigh on Jun 16, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eff him. I can't even get a response re: the run in SF next month.

Done, I am.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you need to chillax, bro.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Word.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who TF are you?!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They'll eat your eyes

and brains. And drain your wallet. But mostly eat your brains.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And create some new ones

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 16, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

change your name to

leighladyleigh

lay across mya big brass bed.

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 16, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think wallet 1, brain 2

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because you do not have money

you value it more. I value my brains.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I value them both

but my point was women drain your wallet before they eat your brains.

dah! dah! dah!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be at Alpine on Sunday night

watching and dancing. If anyone is around we can share a ganja goo ball – you provide the ganja.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe you'll see lucky again.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 16, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gestalt, thy name is larry.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe?!

We’ll have to grab a beer and reminisce about old times.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoa

I’m getting dizzy…I gotta sit down.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

show off

I kick ass on the wii fit hula hoop thing though.

by Trooper on Jun 16, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My 6 year old loves it.

She’s getting quite good at it.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably because she has some semblance of an ass

some times, it’s just too easy to pass up…like a port slut!

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

and sometimes, I fuck up and write some times

sheesh!

Oh well, time to go cross a street where no cross-walk is designated.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Try one with a median in the middle

this way you are sure to get the job done.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jun 16, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's some sound advice

than you

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops, that should be thank you

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why isn't this green?

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 16, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

She has an ass -

her father.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hurt my shoulder doing the wii fit hula hoop

I think Im doing it wrong

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 16, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how many dudes were involved in this puzzle?

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 16, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How does that not surprise me?

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and can twister really be considered a puzzle?

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so that means she has two asses, right? ;)

and it was actually a double shot, because I insinuated that HSA doesn’t have an ass. In some circles, that’s perceived as an insult.

So ZING to HSA as well.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

for reals, yo

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get a room, you three.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ChicagoSureLeigh, HSA, and me?

cause that would be really interesting

/intimates that split personality disorder indicates one crazy beeyyaatch!

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With Toonder.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

then that would be four people

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS Have you met TSK?

I’m supposed to have a beer with him in about 3 hours.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wear a helmet

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually I haven't met him, I just think wearing a helmet at all times is a good idea

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are a crazy mofo today.

You and Bobby are partying together, aint’cha?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

licking toads and eating mushrooms

(with our helmets on, of course) while singing the script from “Strange Brew

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought you said you weren't going to tell them. WTF!?!

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sh*t.

I didn’t tell them about the diapers!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whew, thanks for keeping that one on the DL.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you only knew, OPOS, if you only knew.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 16, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked hsa better than ChiShirleigh

OPOSes don’t like change.(I know,“Change is beautiful”). And I’m glad that the “Alissay Ramirez” thing never caught on…

And you don't need a weatherman
To know which way the wind blows.

by oahu420 on Jun 16, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"We" doesn't perhaps include CS.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

(here's a Lebowski quote about to go over your head.)

The proverbial “we.”
The, uhh, editorial….

Just [expletive] Fuck It.

by ChicagoShirleigh on Jun 16, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 16, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would create

a fanpost and talk to yourself about it like Wiz is doing. I think it must be therapeutic. Maybe post a bunch of links about changing screen names and the affects on society. Shit like that. WU will probably stop in for a post now and again, but thats about it.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jun 16, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

JC, I just realized I am the only enabler of Wiz on this site.

Self-flaggelation begins.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you'll throw yer back out

oh wait, maybe that’s the trick to it?

by Trooper on Jun 16, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

edgar allen poe?

sounds like a good read…

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sweet!

i love the Outfield. best worst band of all time!

by Hatchetm on Jun 16, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So do I.

2 of their songs are great summer treats with the windows down. I especially liked “Voices of Babylon”.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with the article. While it is an easy target to make fun of, it is a nice change of pace. Maybe it doesn’t bother me that much because I think Bon Iver does a pretty sweet cover of “Your Love”.

by Lopax on Jun 16, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as I know

he has not recorded it in studio yet, so all that is out there are live recordings with not that great quality. But if you are still curious:
Video – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upS6KFotO5g
MP3 – http://hypem.com/track/721360

by Lopax on Jun 16, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

oddly i prefer the original 1980s bombast.

by Hatchetm on Jun 16, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still better than Lil Wayne or Soulja Boy

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 16, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RIP Soulja,

(poors 40oz on the floor).

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lineup

Sox: Podsednik (LF), Ramirez (SS), Dye (RF), Konerko (1B), Pierzynski ©, Anderson (CF), Getz (2B), Beckham (3B) – Danks (SP)

I just accidentally the Fleshlight.
Accidentally what?
THE WHOLE THING!!

by BoeJouma on Jun 16, 2009 3:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BJ shats on Lopax

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as would i

and i sure next year he will be there if not the 5 whole

I just accidentally the Fleshlight.
Accidentally what?
THE WHOLE THING!!

by BoeJouma on Jun 16, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think this game is gonna get postponed

I just accidentally the Fleshlight.
Accidentally what?
THE WHOLE THING!!

by BoeJouma on Jun 16, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you serious?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it think its possible

just making a judgement lookin at the radar

I just accidentally the Fleshlight.
Accidentally what?
THE WHOLE THING!!

by BoeJouma on Jun 16, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Raining like a mofo in the western burbs

"Very clearly, we are in a transitional phase." – Kenny Williams (6/10/09)

by tailgater on Jun 16, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's raining HSA's cats and dogs in the dirty southwest

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 16, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

weather.com

predicting only a 20% chance at game time…so, fingers crossed.

"Very clearly, we are in a transitional phase." – Kenny Williams (6/10/09)

by tailgater on Jun 16, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fine in the north right now, just cloudy.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 16, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big. Surprise.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why were they anonymous

in the first place?

Hawk; "what would you do in that situation"

"id hit him" ;Stone

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 16, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So people would agree to be tested

to see how prevalent use was.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha are you kidding me

i’m not even going to touch this one

Always bet on black!

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 16, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

marvin miller in a recent interview expressed frustration with present union leadership

i don’t blame him, the union became less about fundamentals and more about maintaining status quo

Always bet on black!

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 16, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

Miller really had to fight for rights, so all his gains came with a great deal of pain/conflict. I bet he’s pissed. Similar to black politcos from the 60’s-70’s who aren’t feeling comfy with their place in today’s cozier world. It was much harder for them, and resentments remain for those who have it much easier (since perhaps the younger ones don’t appreciate the struggle as much).

(And I’ve read about 3 diffferent sources referring to this thought. I’m just relating what I’ve read.)

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there are probably more than 3 refs

to refer to since there are freaking departments and dissertations devoted to societal attitudes among people of color towards civil rights over time in the us. i would think other conclusions can be reached.

regarding the union, i want to be clear and say that the MLBPA presently, to me at least, doesn’t operate like the other unions i’m familiar with (steelworkers, seiu). what’s ironic, is that marvin miller helped organized them through the steelworkers.

Always bet on black!

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 16, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was only referring to what I've read, Doc.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how in the fuck you gonna

throw your back out when sneezing if you all juiced up?

Hawk; "what would you do in that situation"

"id hit him" ;Stone

by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 16, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not as tasty as lamb, though

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 16, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as Mike North is gone again I'm happy

I have a bad feeling Mr. Hernandez is going to turn up soon…just not alive.

"Very clearly, we are in a transitional phase." – Kenny Williams (6/10/09)

by tailgater on Jun 16, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 16, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Sweet. Rec'd. Always rec Goodfellas.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking it will be self-inflicted

"Very clearly, we are in a transitional phase." – Kenny Williams (6/10/09)

by tailgater on Jun 16, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jimmy Two Times

“Goin’ out to get the papers…get the papers.”

Classic.

"Very clearly, we are in a transitional phase." – Kenny Williams (6/10/09)

by tailgater on Jun 16, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And, no, that is not him.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

Always bet on black!

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 16, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jimmy!

Jimmy!

"Very clearly, we are in a transitional phase." – Kenny Williams (6/10/09)

by tailgater on Jun 16, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Down-ers Grove! Down-ers Grove!

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jun 16, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of former Cubs...

I was unaware that Mel Hall made numerous advances on a 12 year old girl he was coaching (allegedly). Faces a potential life in prison according to the radio report I just caught.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Or 30 days in certain venues.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I remember within the last few years Goose Givens, former NBA'er

and Magic announcer, beat the same rap (though I think the girl was 15-ish.

Goose. Heh.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was Goose a Globetrotter too?

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 16, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not THAT Goose. That was Tatum.

OPOS.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 16, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The History Of One Tough Motherfucker

he came to the door one night wet thin beaten and
terrorized
a white cross-eyed tailless cat
I took him in and fed him and he stayed
grew to trust me until a friend drove up the driveway
and ran him over
I took what was left to a vet who said,“not much
chance…give him these pills…his backbone
is crushed, but is was crushed before and somehow
mended, if he lives he’ll never walk, look at
these x-rays, he’s been shot, look here, the pellets
are still there…also, he once had a tail, somebody
cut it off…”
I took the cat back, it was a hot summer, one of the
hottest in decades, I put him on the bathroom
floor, gave him water and pills, he wouldn’t eat, he
wouldn’t touch the water, I dipped my finger into it
and wet his mouth and I talked to him, I didn’t go any-
where, I put in a lot of bathroom time and talked to
him and gently touched him and he looked back at
me with those pale blue crossed eyes and as the days went
by he made his first move
dragging himself forward by his front legs
(the rear ones wouldn’t work)
he made it to the litter box
crawled over and in,
it was like the trumpet of possible victory
blowing in that bathroom and into the city, I
related to that cat-I’d had it bad, not that
bad but bad enough
one morning he got up, stood up, fell back down and
just looked at me.
“you can make it,” I said to him.
he kept trying, getting up falling down, finally
he walked a few steps, he was like a drunk, the
rear legs just didn’t want to do it and he fell again, rested,
then got up.
you know the rest: now he’s better than ever, cross-eyed
almost toothless, but the grace is back, and that look in
his eyes never left…
and now sometimes I’m interviewed, they want to hear about
life and literature and I get drunk and hold up my cross-eyed,
shot, runover de-tailed cat and I say,“look, look
at this!”
but they don’t understand, they say something like,“you
say you’ve been influenced by Celine?”
“no,” I hold the cat up,“by what happens, by
things like this, by this, by this!”
I shake the cat, hold him up in
the smoky and drunken light, he’s relaxed he knows…
it’s then that the interviews end
although I am proud sometimes when I see the pictures
later and there I am and there is the cat and we are photo-
graphed together.
he too knows it’s bullshit but that somehow it all helps.

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 16, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bukowski.

But I am still lost. larry = OTMF?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 16, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this thread was already all over the place

so i figured wtf

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 16, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

We should never have an off-day followed by a night game. Too much rudderless communication. We are not only a pack of a-holes, we are also all a pack of ADHD’ers.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

cheering and waving cheering and waving twitching and salivating like with myxomatosis...

the mongrel cat came home
holding half a head
Proceeded to show it off
to all his new found friends
he said "i been where i liked
i slept with who i liked
she ate me up for breakfast
and screwed me in a vice

and now i don’t know why
i feel so tongue-tied"

Yeah...surrre.

by homesickalien on Jun 16, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hsa!

welcome back girl!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 16, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

;)

Yeah...surrre.

by homesickalien on Jun 16, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How ironic.

The man’s name is Young. And he likes ‘em young (allegedly). And he’s old.

Perfect.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TAEG-esque recap right there.

also, let the man pay for his poon, damnit. he’s older than WU fer crissakes.

by Trooper on Jun 16, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Attorney is the slave to the billable hour.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey-o!

welcome backish

I just accidentally the Fleshlight.
Accidentally what?
THE WHOLE THING!!

by BoeJouma on Jun 16, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know who sucks?

The Cubs.

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 16, 2009 4:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's go White Sox! Clap clap (pause) clap clap clap.

"Very clearly, we are in a transitional phase." – Kenny Williams (6/10/09)

by tailgater on Jun 16, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jumping the gun a bit, eh?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time for Gordo's first dinger!

I understand Q! laid hands upon him (in a good way).

"Very clearly, we are in a transitional phase." – Kenny Williams (6/10/09)

by tailgater on Jun 16, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

‘I apologize to the Cubs fans for saying this but you don’t have control, when you are 6, 7 years old, of your feelings. Your feelings are with the team you see as a child. For me, it was the White Sox.’’ — Zambrano

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 16, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The forgiveness for Fukudome’s mid-season collapse last year kind of surprises me. Yeah, he’s doing great right now, but he did the same thing last year in the first half. I’m not saying he’ll collapse again after the ASB, but I wouldn’t be shocked by it either.

erm, i wouldn’t say he’s doing great right now, and, in fact, the collapse this year began a while ago. looky here:
last 28 games batting .150 with a .547 OPS.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Jun 16, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

from this dude

Ozzie to Sox/Cubs first-timers in his clubhouse: This is the closest you will get to matching a World Series atmosphere. This series is awesome

I just accidentally the Fleshlight.
Accidentally what?
THE WHOLE THING!!

by BoeJouma on Jun 16, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We Gonna Get This In?

Looks like steady rain come 9:30 CT according to the radar on Weather.com

by PaulieK14 on Jun 16, 2009 5:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

there's a great prog on BBC4 about great US comedians

WC Fields
Groucho Marx
Paul Lynde – very funny never heard of him before
Jack Benny
Reynaldo Rey

great archive footage too

by hoodlight on Jun 16, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Paul Lynde was a genius.

Northwestern grad, if I remember. And a fraternity brother.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it raining in Chicago right now?

The weather is actually nice in Chicago.

Wave that flag.... Wave it wide and high.. Summertime... Done come and gone, My oh my

by 815Sox on Jun 16, 2009 6:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

uhhhh what?

I just accidentally the Fleshlight.
Accidentally what?
THE WHOLE THING!!

by BoeJouma on Jun 16, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

10 to 5 years ago

that would be very likely

Wave that flag.... Wave it wide and high.. Summertime... Done come and gone, My oh my

by 815Sox on Jun 16, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rockford sorry

Wave that flag.... Wave it wide and high.. Summertime... Done come and gone, My oh my

by 815Sox on Jun 16, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sox Probable Type A Free Agents: Thome, Dye, Dotel

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/06/probable-type-a-free-agents.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 16, 2009 7:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

so let me be the first to ask

do we wait for them to sign to another team in the offseason and get the 2 first round picks, or could we get more value out of trade during the season?

assuming we’re out contention…

Always bet on black!

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 16, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it depends on the value kenny places in what's coming back

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 16, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

reposted it in the new frontpage post

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 16, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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