Carlos Quentin expands on his injury: "We’re aware that if a relapse happens where the tendon ruptures even more, well that’s major. That’s something that’s going to take longer, maybe even the rest of the season. So we’re thinking that if that tendon goes, that’s a two to four-month recovery. Where we’re at in the baseball season, two-to-four really doesn’t work out as far as being able to play again this season. That’s more of the concern right now.
"That’s the direction we have taken, to make sure that it doesn’t relapse, doesn’t further tear. If there’s discomfort and nothing happens, that’s just fine. If there is no discomfort or pain that would be perfect, but we’re just seeing where it’s going to be and have doctors keep checking it out to make sure this is something that won’t happen again.’’
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Why do you build me up,
Buttercup.
Just to let me down:(
"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote
by SkanchoDanza on Jun 16, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Carl?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 16, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but I'm changing my name to HomeleighMusketeer
Maybe Q can be cryogenically frozen until Beckham finds the cure for everything.
"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote
by SkanchoDanza on Jun 16, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About time you got on here.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shoot, the man has kids and a wife.
or had a wife before he started posting here.
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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you get a government subsidized Real Doll just for signing up
so how much are you losing really?
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
by colintj on Jun 17, 2009 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Nikes and a complimentary jug of Kool-Aid powder....
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 17, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have lured many men from their happy homes, haven't you, larry.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 17, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why are you using 2 handles?
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jun 17, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was testing out the other, thinking I would like it. But I felt weird as CS.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 17, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so that experiment is over?
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jun 17, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Goes to Expedia, checks flights to Seattle.
Buys musket case as a housewarming present.)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think so. She was kind of a bitch.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 17, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for all the Palehose cartoons
they are awesome!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 16, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh noes a digital version of LT at the meetup
Twitter: @SouthSideCheat
SouthSideSox on Facebook
by The Cheat on Jun 16, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel the digital LT high five coming at me.
and you’re welcome. thanks for the support.
"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote
by SkanchoDanza on Jun 16, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, here he is, one of our stars
digital high five coming up!!!
Lupe, release the balloons!
by LT_sox_fan on Jun 17, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not too long at all.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 17, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
welcome carl!
member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."
by thecip on Jun 17, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its time for Carlos to get out and run.
South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men
by e-gus on Jun 16, 2009 9:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
holy shit thats funny
most dangerous sport ever?
Although that game the Aztecs played where the winner was sacrificed probably tops it
Wave that flag.... Wave it wide and high.. Summertime... Done come and gone, My oh my
by 815Sox on Jun 16, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fucking stretch, Q!
Goddammit. California avocado tough.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 16, 2009 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Out for the Season=Fire sale on the south side.
by No Pressure on Jun 16, 2009 9:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
tsk tsk
it didn’t say he is out for the season and I seem to recall us battling it out last September sans his services
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by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 16, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's just in Florida...he'll be back soon...unless WU scarred him.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 17, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
I still fail to see how we could catch the Tigers… and even then would it be worth it? If Kenny could make an impact FA pickup on the cheap then I’m all for it. But I don’t want to blow it all for a chance to beat the other midgets
Wave that flag.... Wave it wide and high.. Summertime... Done come and gone, My oh my
by 815Sox on Jun 16, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think larry (or some other asshole) mentioned that if you estimate the total wins necessary to win the division to be 86
then the sox have to go 56-42 the rest of the way, which is super unlikely and the tiggers have to go 51-48, which could happen.
i would think we need more than one impact FA pickup to go 56-42.
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 16, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
14 games over .500 is not impossible if you have really solid staff
Something the White Sox definitely might have the 2nd half. This is tiresome. The Sox are 4.5 out. Since May 15th they have played .500 ball and lost a grand total of 1.5 games in ground.
They have the 1st or 2nd best SP in the division
They have the best bullpen
Their offense can only go up (with Beckham and a summer there will be at least some improvement)
And you want me to seriously believe an impact bat couldn’t net a division?
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 16, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one problem is
the tigers are thinking the same thing.
also, i think someboy ripped on flowers in the minor league thread. you should go talk to him.
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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't screw with me like that
Flowers is our next God………
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 16, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're a lot less payroll flexible though
lots of bad contracts. they could be hamstrung.
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
by colintj on Jun 17, 2009 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they say they have money to spend.
people still buy pizza, i guess.
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by larry on Jun 17, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at some point Illitch is going to glance at a business model of some kind.
i suppose that might happen after the trade deadline. also, maybe Dombroswki locked him in a closet?
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
by colintj on Jun 17, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy seems to know what he’s doing with money, he can afford to lose money with the Tigers if he wants to. Considering he’s a former player himself, I imagine he more than most owners is more concerned about winning than turning a profit.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 17, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contrary Exhibit #1:
Tom Hicks.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 games out
Forgot Detroit got stomped 11-2 tonight. I swear its almost comical at this point to hear the White Sox should be conducting a fire sale.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 16, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by larry on Jun 16, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im with ya dogg
I could see the Tigers flipping what they need and going 48-51. It all comes down to beating the other teams in the division and seeing what shakes out. I thought around 86 wins would do it at the beginning of the year too, but now being over .500 seems like all it would take.
South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men
by e-gus on Jun 17, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoah, did i ever say the sox should conduct a firesale???
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 17, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does trading immediately mean "fire sale"?
What value we get in return will dictate what moves are made. I’m not advocating a salary dump just to clear payroll. Fer Chrissakes.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't say impossible
but right now starting line-up includes these fellas: beckham, getz/nix, ba/wise.
is there a 2B, 3B or OF that may be available for trade?
liney is already stinking it up and it ain’t the second half yet.
collectively the starting pitching has been okay, but i’m not counting on buerhle to be stellar, count to pitch like it’s ‘05-’06, and danks to regress back to the mean.
the offense can only go up, but it’s also one injury away (dye, thome, kong) from falling apart, where’s the depth?
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 17, 2009 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i fly the black flag
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 17, 2009 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rise above! We're gonna rise above!
We are tired of your abuse!
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Jun 17, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this bit was always my favorite
i wont beat you up
and I wont push you around
because if I do that the cops would grab me for doin it
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 17, 2009 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whereas I'm flyin' the flannel!
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 17, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What the hell are you talking about?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a band, OPOS.
When OSFIB wrote “I fly the Black Flag”, the combination of the word fly and reference to Black Flag made me think of fIREHOSE’s album “Flyin’ the Flannel”, hence my post.
I highly recommend both fIREHOSE and Black Flag for your listening pleasure.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 17, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by larry on Jun 17, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
STFU.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mike watt sold me that shirt from the tour
october ’91 i think, metro, he twisted his knee playing his heart out
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 17, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'ing that too
fIREHOSE if not my favorite band growing up, in the top 3 with early REM and husker du
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 17, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not really picking on you in particular onlysox...
its more a sentiment I’ve read on here in general.
I wouldn’t be looking for a 3b, I think Beckham will be fine.
There is time for 2b. Getz is up in the air but we know NIx provides plus defense.
I’d look more towards the OF and yes there will be someone available.
The starting pitchers FIPs right now
Floyd 3.83
Buerhle 4.41
Danks 4.45
Richard 4.73
Contreras 4.31 Colon 5.69
For the division, hell for the league that is better than okay and most of the “regression” would be in the right direction for us.
The bullpen is the best in the division by a mile and stronger with Poreda.
Every team in the division has the depth issue. Whose medical staff do you trust most? As Colin pointed out who has the most payroll flexibility?
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 17, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can tell it was directed to the nuke it faction of SSS
just don’t make any wagers with larry ;)
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 17, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Beckham isnt going to play SS long term
I rather have him at 2b and bring in a bigger bat for 3b if at all possible.
South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men
by e-gus on Jun 17, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FIP is clearly inaccurate, just ask OSFIB!!!
/in a snooty voice
I won’t read any argument based on FIP because it needs to be park adjusted and account for home runs more accurately. Use xFIP, tRA or qERA in all future discussions.
BBBBWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAA
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 17, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF are you ON today?
;)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus, WU. You get wise, you get to church!
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 17, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if Thome is implicated in the steroids testing.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zzzzzzzzzzzz.
Agree to disagree until we decide not to re: trade vs. push for title.
Smoltz coming up. PPB. Prepare to deal.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
deal with that AL player of the week.......
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 17, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Smiles.)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would a firesale entail? There isn't that much to sell...
I’m assuming KW wants to compete in 2010 and so selling off guys like Danks, Floyd, and Buehrle doesn’t make sense.
Here are the guys that could potentially bring back something and are either FAs-to-be or possibly internally replaceable.
Dotel
Dye
Jenks
maybe Thome to a strong WS contender (still sort of unlikely)
Contreras if he keeps pitching like this (sort of unlikely)
Assuming Thome is immovable, on the list only Dye really seems like his loss would really damage the Sox this season. If Poreda can be effective in the pen then trading Dotel (who will be a type A I think) and/or Jenks isn’t a huge blow (although the media would regard a trade of Jenks as such).
Anyway, the end result is that I don’t see the Sox missing out on a big talent acquisition by not White Flagging it. It can’t see anyone on that list, except maybe Jenks, bringing back anything particularly good. So, while I think dealing guys would be the way to guy, not doing so doesn’t seem like a big missed opportunity to me.
by hitlesswonder on Jun 16, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whereas the return for JorDanks and/or Brandon Allen would be pretty substantial
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by colintj on Jun 17, 2009 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not enough hair.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 17, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doin' the Curley Shuffle!
Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop!
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone remember the cartoon Pro Stars?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px5njG8ikvo
Wave that flag.... Wave it wide and high.. Summertime... Done come and gone, My oh my
by 815Sox on Jun 16, 2009 10:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Somehow I never watched this growing up
Actually, I never even saw Captain Planet until I went to India, where apparently that’s the only way people learned about environmentalism.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 16, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That had finals footage so it was after my cartoon days(mostly)
but Im shocked I never heard of that before.
South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men
by e-gus on Jun 17, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course. that show was money!
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jun 17, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FanGraphs Fantasy at Big Jim
Really, the only piece of bad news when it comes to the 38-year-old Thome is that he’s striking out more than he has since 2001. Striking out doesn’t do wonders for a man’s batting average – and Thome’s .256 batting average might scare some people off. But you don’t own Thome for his batting average, since it has been in decline for three straight years and his career number sits at .278 anyway.
Will the power continue? That is the big question. Amazingly, some of his secondary power numbers are above his career norms. Check his home run per fly ball percentage (30.0% this year, 27.8% career) and his line drive percentage (21.1% this year, 20.3% career). The only worry is that he’s hitting a high number of infield flies (12.5%), and the last time he cracked double digits in that department was his disastrous 2005 campaign with the Phillies (.207/.360/.352).
With everything else in line with his career numbers, Thome looks pretty safe. Keep an eye on his infield flies and as long as they trend toward his norms, you’ve got a safe geezer on your squad. Let him collect the long balls as long as he’s in uniform.
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/two-aging-sluggers-one-last-hurrah/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 16, 2009 11:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this seems appropriate
http://media.photobucket.com/image/White%20Sox/MICHAEL_10002000/sox21.jpg
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by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 17, 2009 6:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i never understood why the one had a giants helmet on
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 17, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Left over from the White Flag trade, perhaps.
Or AJ’s axe to grind. He hates ‘em. Or Uribe’s shadow.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See
Like I said, if we can take the division then fine. If its going to cost us our farm/the future then no way. I would rather trade away some of the old guys and free up some money so we could take a real run with a legit chance in a year or two.
Wave that flag.... Wave it wide and high.. Summertime... Done come and gone, My oh my
by 815Sox on Jun 17, 2009 8:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For now, I think we need to run the middle course
I don’t think a firesale or a mortgage are really the answer.
If we tank it in the next month, then sure, a trade of Dye, Thome (any takers) or Dotel may make sense.
If we creep up to (or near first), then some sort of middling addition would be welcome. I don’t think anyone is going to be hurting our future in a severe way.
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 17, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those days are over
teams are just willing to take on the “money” but really aren’t going to be giving away real minor league talent for rentals. Now if its a contracted player maybe we can talk. But its not like we would have to worry about Flowers or Dayan being moved unless KW was blown away. The whole point is they really isn’t any rush for the team. Nobody is forcing their hand by stellar play.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 17, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newsflash.
For most of you who think the Flowers, Poredas, Viciedos, Allens…etc….even the Beckhams of the world are gonna set us up to “make a real run” in the next year or two (or maybe ever) are dreaming. This new hip culture of hoarding prospects and gloating on them has pretty much been the rage here for some time. I’m all for young talent with potential, but it is extremely speculative and, for now, most would probably say ours falls somewhere in the middle. I’m hoping just like the rest of you, to be sure. But losing a couple of the thomes, dyes, konerkos….etc means we HAVE TO BE aggressive in free agency this offseason if we truly want to compete.
by dantesox on Jun 17, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Notice how I said
“we trade away some of the older guys”… that will clear up alot of money so we can be aggressive.
What other option do we have? We are not a very good team.
Wave that flag.... Wave it wide and high.. Summertime... Done come and gone, My oh my
by 815Sox on Jun 17, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had to guess,
we’ll get next to jack shit for any of those older guys.
by dantesox on Jun 17, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree as far as Dotel and Dye go
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 17, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying we'd get a top prospect, but I don't think Jack shit is right either
hell, look what mackowiak fetched us
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 17, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Link?
That’s what I mean….jack shit.
by dantesox on Jun 17, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked at his #s lately?
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 17, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Numbers.
The best bet is he will never help us.
by dantesox on Jun 17, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t think Link will be a decent middle reliever at the very least?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 17, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. But truly, I have no first hand knowledge.
Just looking at his profile and things like the article Sox Machine did on him make me think not.
by dantesox on Jun 17, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
the guy was born in Columbus . . . no chance.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 17, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
laughing my ass off.
one day the guy doesn’t have his sinker and he’s done. good one dante. and what’s his profile again? plus slider and fastball? never seen those guys succeed.
and let me know how cliff lee is doing. you’re awesome at this whole evaluation thing.
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by larry on Jun 17, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, we got Dubee for Iguchi
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 17, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not just worry about the division this year, though.
That’s a short-term trade. IF we can get a significant boost to our future depth by cutting loose some old parts that do not prepare us for the next 2-4 years I’m all for it. I truly don’t believe we have the horses to do anything but back into the playoffs this year and meekly exit like last year in the first round.
I’d rather play for the longer term, especially in light of what I think are going to be challenging financial conditions for a long time.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 8:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm with you
but i differ in that I don’t think this team can make the playoffs. however, i don’t think we will get any legit prospects for trading anyone…(maybe jenks). ideally they’d do a salary dump and save a bunch of cash and use it next year to sign a crop of free agents (heaven forbid!). unfortunately, this ownership has never shown a penchant for doing that kind of thing.
all in all the best mode of action may be just to pretend to try to win this year to appease the season ticket holders.
by Hatchetm on Jun 17, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playoffs are a complete crapshoot.
The fact of the matter is we truly aren’t out of the division race…..if we win that, I submit are chances aren’t significantly different from 2005 in terms of going all the way. The other side of me hesitates proceeding with that line of thinking due mainly to Quentin’s status.
by dantesox on Jun 17, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure I agree with you there seeing as we were a wire to wire, 99 win first place team in 05
but the point regarding the playoffs is well taken
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 17, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with you on the point
It depends on what team is hot, but look at the division we are coming from. Again we are not above 500 right now, our chances of doing anything in the playoffs (if we even make them) are very low.
Wave that flag.... Wave it wide and high.. Summertime... Done come and gone, My oh my
by 815Sox on Jun 17, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't give a flying fuck if we get in with 81 or 101 wins.
THE MLB PLAYOFFS ARE A COMPLETE JOKE=CRAPSHOOT.
by dantesox on Jun 17, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is a cannard.
avg world series team has averaged 95.3 wins since wild card.
since divisional play started in 1969 there have been 3 world series winners with less than 90 wins.
by Hatchetm on Jun 17, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's only because you rarely get in with less than 88 or so wins.
by dantesox on Jun 17, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ding ding ding
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 17, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Tdogg.
Check and see the records of playoff teams with less than 90 wins and I’ll bet you’ll find NO significant difference in winning percentage than those with more. Come on.
by dantesox on Jun 17, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im agreeing with you
They have already done the numbers. The playoffs are a crap shoot. The factors that make up a significant correlation is starting pitching, k rates for bullpen and defense.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 17, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this Meat Loaf?
2 out of 3 ain’t bad? (And I’m not so sure about the 2…)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends.
In theory if the Sox made the playoffs and had back a bat like Q, they could afford to field a better defensive team.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 17, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please. Forget. Q.
For this year. And that’s a lot of IF’s.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 if and a bat period
Q or acquiring one which is what I have advocated.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 17, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 IF's - playoffs and Q.
Plus all the IF’s I added below (we are brethren, so I am assimilating) = give it another 3-5 weeks.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She's already hit the wall at 16.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what you're saying is good teams win the world series
(except for the 06 cards.)
by Hatchetm on Jun 17, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i got tired after a while
but looking at within league matchups,
1969-1993, the team with the better record won 59% of matchups
by Hatchetm on Jun 17, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The better question is how many teams with the best record won?
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 17, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The better question is
GET TO WORK?
;)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stick the knife in huh...
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 17, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Sicilian.
;)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
9 out of the last 39 years
that has happened . . . though it is a tad misleading of a stat. For example, in 2005, the White Sox had 99 wins and St Louis had 100 . . . does it really matter? No. Plus, you are crossing leagues and the AL was certainly tougher than the NL in 05’.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 17, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God, I hope we're not rained out tonight.
3 days in a row, non-ASB, would suck BHB.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I mean series in general.
Hatchetm broke it out already. Better teams win more often. They should. But its not some ridiculous number that a lesser team wouldn’t show up. Telling me the avg wins on WS champs means nothing because as Dante pointed out the number is usually high to get in anyway. Sometimes its not and you get the 06 cardinals. Most regular people wouldn’t expect sub 90 win teams to win 2 out of 5 series against the “elite”
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 17, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are all these players available in FA?
Have you looked at the list? The money is cleared at the end of the season regardless. A real upgrade probably wouldn’t come unless its for a trade and not of the Dye, Thome variety. It would have to be real, controllable talent. This whole line of reasoning makes no sense.
The playoffs are a crap shoot. You have to get there first. You say the Sox went meekly in round one. Part of that was because they couldn’t set their rotation. If Danks and Buerhle pitch games 1 and 2 it sets up differently.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 17, 2009 8:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Danks is on fire this year.
And MB lost in game 2 (larry’s coming-out party in Tampa) 6-2. Color me “on the fence” about how we set up in the playoffs when we are still effing under .500. IF Count is reborn, IF Floyd has corrected his mechanical flaw, and IF Danks can find out who the eff he is (the guy with the dominant pitch, preseason, or a #4 starter, which is how he’s looked this year) you might have a point.
That’s why we wait until July.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im referring to last year's playoff WU
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 17, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I agree with you.
Last year’s Danks works better than this year’s Danks, all the way around.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's an excellent point -- saving money for a big FA acquisition is foolish
1) The FA list sucks. There’s Holliday and a couple of interesting pitchers.
2) The Sox are not going to be players for Holliday (Bora$)
3) The Sox are very unlikely to pony up the years it takes to get someone like Lackey
I expect the same sort of FA acquisitions we should have come to expect: bargain-hunting pickups like the first Dye contract and getting a backup C, etc. That’s not to criticize the Sox as cheap, it’s to point out that the Sox should already have space for that. They don’t need to save a a few million by trading Dye and Dotel to do it.
by hitlesswonder on Jun 17, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right about the Slim Pickens for next year's FA market
KWs going to have 75cents in his pocket next winter, and I don’t see him blowing it on any of the people below. He’s been really sucessful trading our prospects for major league ready players, I’d expect him to take on contracts and do more of the same this winter. Teams are looking to shed payroll, the CWS will be in great position to take some on – should be an exciting winter for Sox fans I would think.
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Catchers
Ramon Hernandez – $8.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Victor Martinez – $7MM club option with a $250K buyout
Bengie Molina
First basemen
Carlos Delgado
Adam LaRoche
Second basemen
Mark DeRosa
Placido Polanco
Brian Roberts
Freddy Sanchez – $8MM club option with a $600K buyout
Shortstops
Bobby Crosby
Khalil Greene
Miguel Tejada
Jack Wilson
Third basemen
Adrian Beltre
Chone Figgins
Chipper Jones
Melvin Mora
Ty Wigginton
Left fielders
Jason Bay
Carl Crawford – $10MM club option with a $1.25MM buyout
Johnny Damon
Matt Holliday
Hideki Matsui
Center fielders
Rick Ankiel
Coco Crisp – $8MM club option with a $500K buyout
Right fielders
Jermaine Dye – $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Brian Giles
Ken Griffey Jr.
Vladimir Guerrero
Xavier Nady
Magglio Ordonez – $15MM club/vesting option with a $3MM buyout
DHs
Jason Giambi
Aubrey Huff
Gary Sheffield
Starting pitchers
Josh Beckett – $12MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Erik Bedard
Justin Duchscherer
Rich Harden
Tim Hudson – $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
John Lackey
Cliff Lee – $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Brett Myers
Brandon Webb – $8.5MM club option with a $500K+ buyout
Todd Wellemeyer
Closers
Mike Gonzalez
Kevin Gregg
Troy Percival
J.J. Putz – $8.6MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Fernando Rodney
Rafael Soriano
Salomon Torres
Jose Valverde
Billy Wagner – $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on Jun 17, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the SP pool, along with LF.
3B with Beltre and Figgins also looks interesting. I would not say the overall talent pool was as barren and/or expensive as ’08’s class. (Though I agree – unless they see someone as a perfect fit for years to come, I can’t see them breaking the bank. Cliff Lee looks nice, though.)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You ppl won't listen to me...Lee's option will be picked up
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 17, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm the only person not listening to you.
From Crede to Q, you choose fragile heroes.
I am not listening. Punch AJ – he’s tough enough to handle your adulation.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Choose your words carefully old man, or I will set my sights on one of our AA heroes...
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 17, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like it all you want most of it won't be there (good ones at least)
The rest injury prone. Except Lackey. Who realistically would they get from the LF pool? No one.
The FA class as a whole sucks because teams understand it makes a whole lot more sense to lock the player up before they go bananas.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 17, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Roberts is signed.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
by Tdogg on Jun 17, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To counter, that list is incomplete . . .
for example, you have Nick Johson at 1B . . . Orlando Hudson at 2B, though I hope we can resign him . . . and there are others.
Point is that if you have $, you can throw it against the wall . . . take a chance on some incentive-laden short term deals for some older/injury prone players and help yourself out.
This winter is likely to be similar to last where if you had $, you could have had Abreu and Hudson at a significant discount to this year’s performance.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 17, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is enough there to spend some $
and improve your team.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 17, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. If that's the way you want to ehnance.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe if we had roger clemens and david cone
circa 2000, i’d agree with you.
by Hatchetm on Jun 17, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While everyone is sensitive about car accidents again, here's a picture I took while driving home yesterday, for the Mad Men fans out there.....
Now that’s a good-looking cock!
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 17, 2009 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks fuzzy to me.
That’s…what…
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...she....didn't.....say....
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 17, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are a maniac
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 17, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So everyone was getting agitated from a story about reckless driving
……And you decided to take a picture while driving.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 17, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does it look fuzzy to you?
I guess that could be the reason – that she was driving with maybe one hand watching the road with no eyes, and probably really steering with her thighs.
Kids. Always living in the present. Thank God, or we’d have no military.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I take pics while driving (usually when stopped or creeping in traffic) if I see something that needs be photographed...had nothing to do with the discussion. But yeah.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 17, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's how my dog Lucky got killed
some Bolshevik f*cker driving a semi on roosevelt was taking pictures of the nuclear power plant across the street from my house (probably sending the data to the commie pinkos in the Soviet Union – god rest its soul) and didn’t see Lucky crossing the street to grab a treat from larry’s hand and ran the poor mutt over. Poor pup never had a chance….
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 17, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my mates pit bull got run over last weekend
the guy driving the car does the weather on the local news. Fido’s head got mashed up a bit but he’s ok now
by hoodlight on Jun 17, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proves my point.
All meteorologists are blind (except tom skilling).
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 17, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was the driver Dante Stallworth?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its BS that he got conficted of anything...I mean, jesus, the guy wasn't in the
crosswalk! Free game outside those little white lines…
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 17, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you text at the same time?
"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella
by tailgater on Jun 17, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what she has posted previously,
HSA/CS can multi-task with many appendages/orafices.
I kid because love.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chee-ca-goe weather update plz...TYIA
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 17, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 17, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let Q! heal on his own timetable
As bad as the team can be…the whole division is suckish.
Let Q! be the best Q! he can be and bring him back in the stretch if he’s able.
We’ll miss his bat and boyish good looks, but what can you do? Sigh.
"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella
by tailgater on Jun 17, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
here here.
a healthy Q! is a productive Q!
member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."
by thecip on Jun 17, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will Thome ever be implicated, or is he clean as a whistle?
Most home runs from 1994-2006
Sosa 518*
Bonds 512*
Ramirez 468*
Rodriguez 464*
Thome 462
Palmeiro 437* *= linked to PED
by Ahillock on Jun 17, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thome did steroids.
i just implicated him. are we happy now? can we move on?
White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry
by larry on Jun 17, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're not here to talk about the past
by Hatchetm on Jun 17, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's clean. period!
member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."
by thecip on Jun 17, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had just issued a statement saying he was calmly waiting for his implication...
thanks
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by The Cheat on Jun 17, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THANKS FOR THE IM
IMPLICATION LARR
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
by colintj on Jun 17, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Finally, a winner.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're free to wildly speculate
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 17, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is HGH used much by MLB players?
I’ve read a few rumours about Nadal being on it (he’s definiteley on something, no tennis player has ever looked like that). It seems to be the more popular PED atm, but I’ve heard can make you more injury prone.
by hoodlight on Jun 17, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
much?
they have vending machines in the clubhouse.
by Hatchetm on Jun 17, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoosh.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are so right - like I really believed that response
go fucking whoosh yourself
by hoodlight on Jun 17, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoosh.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you been on the piss today?
Wine in the morning is not usually a good idea
by hoodlight on Jun 17, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Thome used
I believe Gabriel would descend from Heaven, ushering in Revelations.
I am totally serious.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least jim understands the pain he'll be causing mankind.
“If I do wrong things, then eventually it comes out and you all pay the price,” said White Sox DH Jim Thome, who is third among active players, and 13th overall, with 553 home runs.
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by larry on Jun 17, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this a larry or Cowley tweet?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
preemptive strike
Game time is 1:20 today. Anyone caught begging for gamethread more than a half-hour before gametime gets an auto-ban
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by The Cheat on Jun 17, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CST?
(Chomping at the bit…)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you will be put out to pasture
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 17, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An auto-bahn?
"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella
by tailgater on Jun 17, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That scares the crap out of me -
a pre-Vet student knows how to kill 125 ways.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've been in the shit
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 17, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could I please have a game tread?
ha! I didnt say thread.
South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men
by e-gus on Jun 17, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tempting fate there, e-gus
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Jun 17, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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