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Who's in Kenny Williams' 'Safe' Column?

Jermaine Dye might be the Sox most likely player to catch on with a new team.

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Jermaine Dye might be the Sox most likely player to catch on with a new team.

Saturday morning I found myself, as I often do, out on my bike, playing GM in my head, running the White Sox roster through my head and neatly placing each player on the Sox roster into neatly defined categories. It was almost exactly 6 weeks before the trade deadline, the Sox had just come off ugly back-to-back losses to sub-.500 NL clubs, and it felt, at least for that morning, like time to figure out who should stay and who should go.

It's begun to feel a little grim around here, with most of us doing our best JRE impersonations and only Tdogg to cheer us up with some rays of statistical sunshine. So I imagine most of us would be selling if given the chance to play GM for a day... or month. Thankfully, none of us are stuck with the task as tough as the one that's ahead of Kenny Williams, but I prepared my scorecard anyway in case you wanted to try your hand.

Safe

A.J. Pierzynski, Jim Thome, Paul Konerko, Gordon Beckham, Alexei Ramirez, Carlos Quentin, Mark Buehrle, John Danks, Gavin Floyd, Matt ThorntonScott Linebrink

Let's call this group the core, with some untradables trown in for good measure. Konerko, Thome and Pierzynski, the slow, aged core, aren't going anywhere. Those three along with Buerhle have become the Sox clubhouse leaders and are, at least in some small measure, responsible for the Nick Swisher trade/debacle. They also have varying degrees of no-trade clauses and contracts large enough to make other clubs take a pass. 

Then you've got the "Next core," Beckham, Ramirez, Quentin, Danks and Floyd; young guys with generally advantageous contracts who, with the exception of Beckham, have proved their major league worthiness for an entire season. They'll be paired with the minor league "safes" to form the Sox next serious division title contenders (and by serious, I mean not under .500 with 5+ weeks left before the trade deadline).

Which leaves only Linebrink, who signed a contract that made other clubs gasp, and has now shown that he's unable to throw anything but arrow-straight fastballs when given the call for two days in a row. He's not going anywhere for completely different reasons than the rest of the group.

Star-divide

Rent, Don't Buy

Josh Fields, Clayton Richard, Aaron Poreda, Octavio Dotel, Jermaine Dye

Richard and Poreda's names have already been linked to the now-defunct Jake Peavy trade, and would seem to be available at a price. I can't see both of them being traded in any deal that brings back anything less than a Peavy-type pitching talent. So really, one of them is safe, and it's probably Richard, not because he's a better pitcher, but teams are more likely to be after the higher-ceilinged Poreda. 

Josh Fields is a man without a home now that Beckham is starting to get his legs under himself at the plate. He won't have much value, but KW probably won't stand in the way if some other team is willing to give him a shot at 3B.

Dotel and Dye both have contracts set to expire at the end of the season, and both figure to be Type A free agents. Thus these two represent your typical trade-deadline targets for playoff hopefuls. Dye has an option on his contract, so the Sox don't have to trade him, as they might pick up that option at the end of the year, which could also help yield a higher return via trade. 

The Rest

Those not mentioned, your Scott Podsednik's and Jose Contreras' , your Chris Getz' and Brian Anderson's, have little-to-no value on the trade market. Actually, Pods and Count could end up being 11th hour, July 31st trade pieces, but they'll need to maintain their surprising performances for another 5+ weeks to have any buyers.

The one name that I didn't mention who should probably be in the "safe" category, but isn't because he has lots of value, a contract that's going to continue to inflate wildly in the next 2-3 years and, well, because you never can tell with KW at the helm, is Bobby Jenks. He's got another two full seasons before he reaches free agency, but as long as he continues to rack up the saves, he'll be due another record-setting arbitration award. There comes a point when his price tag outstrips his actual value, and it's best for the Sox to get out while their still ahead there.

Trade or get off the pot

A month ago, if I had written this piece it would have been a plea to sell almost any player of value to reinforce the group of young talent the likes of which the Sox haven't seen since the early 90's. And if I had written it after they came back from their wildly-successful road-trip to reach the lofty heights of a .500 record, I might only have written about the prospects that could be turned into hole-fillers on the major league roster. This team, this division, really, has the ability to make any rash decision made by the front office look completely foolish in hindsight. For that reason, and because I'm risk-averse by nature, I would sit on the proverbial pot for as long as possible this year, putting off any future-altering roster decisions until the last possible moment. 

And because I can't decide whether it's Everyone Must Go or Sell The Farm time, I'll have the second part of this piece on the minor leaguers of note later tonight (and by tonight, I probably mean morning).

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Im still mad about the blown Cubs game.

"Yes, the pitch in between the 2 home runs was HOF material.
Linebrink needs to be impaled by a trident." - Ozzie Montana 6-18-09

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

for good reason

"I'm just here to provide street cred"

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...5-1 lead in the 8th...yep I'm still pissed.

But I’m still going Thursday…bastards.

"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella

by tailgater on Jun 22, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really hope Matt Thornton is in the "safe" group

No need to get rid of him at the moment since he is the best pitcher ever.

by Ahillock on Jun 22, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate to say this...

but if you really do get into a selling mode, wouldn’t Thornton be particularly valuable on the market? We all remember Matt Karchner, right? I love Thornton, but….

by palehose67 on Jun 22, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Karchner the butt injection guy?

How dare you compare Thornton to him.

by Ahillock on Jun 22, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think he was referencing the fact that we turned him into Jon Garland

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 22, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice piece Cheat

"I'm just here to provide street cred"

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, nicely done

As I’ve said in an earlier post, the trick is, even if KW decides on a couple of “painful moves,” who is really out there that the Sox want who can make an impact now or in the future? A bunch of prospects?

"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella

by tailgater on Jun 22, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Josh Fields trade

Would we get a bucket of one dozen balls or two dozen balls?

"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella

by tailgater on Jun 22, 2009 4:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

props for our savior

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/what-we-learned-in-week-eleven

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 22, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Eh, U-God and colin's pieces have more stats and funny clips.

You mailed this one in, Cheat. larry is kicking your ass. I could’ve written this one.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That is amongst the funniest things you've posted.

Rec’d.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

epic

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jun 22, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The internet is a wonderful thing

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 22, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Linebrink

Scott “the horror, the horror” Linebrink needs to go. Anywhere, just off this team. Watching him pitch is like Bugs against the Gashouse Gorillas.

by boneman on Jun 22, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What about Bobby Jenks?

Relief pitching will be hard to find this deadline and you could probably get an “A” prospect for him. I would kind of like to see Thorton close for awhile.

by No Pressure on Jun 22, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If we do become sellers, I'm now in the camp of trading Jenks

He’d bring the biggest return, and Dotel/Thornton for 8th-9th is fine with me. It’d create a hole in ’09 for the 8th inning with Dotel coming off the books, though.

Formerly Crede's Crew

by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 22, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't that what Kenny does every year? Deal with it when he gets there?

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, we haven't worried about the coser since mid '05.

That’s a fairly long time. Even Nathan has has a horseshit stretch – probably longer than Bobby – when considering our Central rivals. If we trade Big Bob we’d better get more than fucking “A” prospects.

(Did you like the "fucking “A”? DidyouseewhatIdidthere?)

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"CLOSER". GOD!

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

didyouseewhatyoudidthere?

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 22, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I look like Beetlejuice.

“Hey, how about a little head?”

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

its just big clothes, your head is same scale as joes

"Yes, the pitch in between the 2 home runs was HOF material.
Linebrink needs to be impaled by a trident." - Ozzie Montana 6-18-09

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same as it ever was...

I can’t fill Joe’s jock. Or his jersey.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

needs to go green

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 22, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neither the Cubs nor the Reds were sub-.500 teams Saturday morning

though technically, going into Thursday’s game the Cubs were sub-.500

Other than that, good stuff

by CatBrains on Jun 22, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

See.

You Mom needs to reassess. Your best work was not today.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice work. But I'd have Jenks as "most tradeable cuz MLB still overvalues closers".

Some contending GM with needs would likely overpay for Big Boy.

And I’m sorry I wasn’t around to back up TGregDogg’s optimism. Look at ‘83 for why I’m not (and Kenny shouldn’t be) selling right now. Starting pitching over the last month has been much better than the record indicates.
My 2 cents.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2009 5:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"My 2 cents"

is what it’s worth.

SELL.

Time to show Greg Walker the door.

by ballyb on Jun 22, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No shit.

We are streaky and on a good streak now. It concerns me some guys are playing over their heads. Sell later in July if we are not up by 2-3 games.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 22, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

She's pretty cute.

He sure has taste, for a guy with no face.

by 67WMAQ on Jun 22, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The inspiration for "Eyes Without a Face"?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

from what i remember of that doc, i think that's his sister.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jun 22, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does his sister?

Admit it – that’s hot.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not reaffirming your affinity for 'keeping it in the family'

i abstained from the swamp water

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jun 22, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How was the rest of the trip?

It’s hot as fuck here now – 110 heat indexthis weekend. In June. I envy your trip West.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'll be out here soon enough, OPOS.

I’m counting down the fucking days. You sure as hell better bring a fucking helmet, because we’ll be playing to win, goddamnit! ;)

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 22, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a blur of working, drinking, and cursing the humidity

per your request, made sure to spend to-be-reimbursed money so as to add to the sales tax base

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jun 22, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TY.

Need the dues.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Admit it. As the oldest of the old here

You don’t remember ’83, right?

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah. What happened in '83? Any team "slogan"?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vaguely. Can you give me a hint?

;-)

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tito Landrum.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Dibber.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch. Fucker.

What time is the game?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Happy Fathers Day!!!!

Bet your princess remembered.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

She did. It was a perfect day. No joke. Age 6 is the best.

I know it will come crashing down in 6-8 years.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like your optimism!

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember 83

we always sat upstairs in lf.

lets go bull was the first thing i ever shouted at a sports event.

I was 7 or 8.

"Yes, the pitch in between the 2 home runs was HOF material.
Linebrink needs to be impaled by a trident." - Ozzie Montana 6-18-09

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard a Konerko rumor

He’s going to the Angels for Chone Figgins, Casey Kotchman, Reggie Jackson, Nolan Ryan, Mike Scosia, and Enrico Palazzo.

It’s about time – dis Konerko guy is a bum. Believe me, I know. I’ve been watching White Sox baseball for 109 years.

by 67WMAQ on Jun 22, 2009 6:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

so this has NOTHING to do with the post (although it was a good one Cheat)

but do you guys have any good advice for me this weekend? ive never been to a sox game let alone an mlb game. im going to both saturday’s and sunday’s game against the cubs.

how much is beer and food? ive got lodging taken care of, but i would love any heads up on good ol’ us cellular.

I just accidentally the Fleshlight.
Accidentally what?
THE WHOLE THING!!

by BoeJouma on Jun 22, 2009 6:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bring rubbers.

In case it rains.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This team is mediocre, at very best.

Would you rather make the playoffs out of this putrid division and get our brains beat in, or be a seller to improve our chances to be a really good team next year and beyond?

Time to show Greg Walker the door.

by ballyb on Jun 22, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are a master of the reply function.

don’t try to blame this one on the alzheimer’s either, OPOS.

;)

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 22, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah and you can't spell.

Oops.

Time to show Greg Walker the door.

by ballyb on Jun 22, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since you asked...

I’d rather make the playoffs out of a putrid division. I agree that it’s not likely they advance, but I also know that you can’t win if you’re not playing. The ‘06 Cardinals wouldn’t trade their WS rings for the Cubs 97 win ‘08 season.
Besides, I referenced ’83 which you didn’t address in your slit wrist bloody bathtub. On this date then you’d have never thought they’d lap the field in the second half. Just a mediocre (at best) team. My comparison was pitching specific. The last month, the Sox have had the best starters in the division, if not the AL. That bodes well for the rest of the season and possibly the playoffs.

And I’m called a grumpy old man?

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

additionally,

there seems to be a misconception that the white sox have all these great players that teams will want to give up awesome players for that will make the sox of the future a really good team. bobby is the only one who would net anything worth mentioning.

if the team sucks in a month, blow it up. whatever. i’ve thought this team was out of it for a couple weeks now. but moving now isn’t going to make much of a difference. the salary relief would probably be offset in large measure by the decline at the gate. may as well stick with it for another month and see where things are at then. this is a tallest midget race, people.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 22, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TY.

Late July. No need to sweat it before then.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any idea how often the '06 cardinals' scenario becomes reality?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 22, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

discussed already

rarely because 83 wins usually doesn’t get you into the playoffs.

"I'm just here to provide street cred"

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh yes

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 22, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but we did find since 69

the better team was winning a little less than 60% of 1st round matchups.

"I'm just here to provide street cred"

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

better as in more W's?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 22, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

"I'm just here to provide street cred"

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 22, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drugs fried your brain.

Ain’t gonna happen.

Time to show Greg Walker the door.

by ballyb on Jun 22, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 22, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wonderful.

Memories of bally’s pre-2008 face…

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

flagged

“or be a seller to improve our chances to be a really good team next year and beyond?”

fallacy

"I'm just here to provide street cred"

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also fail to see this logic they would get their brains beat in playoff time

you wanna say unlikely to advance fine. But rolling out good starting pitching in a 5 game set? Unlikely blowout. This is not the NFL where you might have a supremely better team. Even a 7 gamer would make more sense.

"I'm just here to provide street cred"

by Tdogg on Jun 22, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It may be crazy, but I'd really like the Sox to make the playoffs 2 years in a row

Also, I think you are setting up a false choice. How much does Dye bring back? Nothing that is going to get you closer to division next year.

Jenks is only guy that MIGHT bring back something really worthwhile, and I definitely think they should explore that. But I’m not sure trading Jenks would significantlt compromise bullpen (it might, I’m just not sure).

by hitlesswonder on Jun 22, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

an additional bonus in trading jenks is salary relief over the next few years in arbitration

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Jun 23, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

where are your seats? that has an effect on some of the advice

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jun 22, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the game itself will drastically affect how much beer money you need.

"Yes, the pitch in between the 2 home runs was HOF material.
Linebrink needs to be impaled by a trident." - Ozzie Montana 6-18-09

by e-gus on Jun 22, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick nearly worthless thoughts

Linebrink: you break it you buy it. Or something like that. Where is Cooper. Nobody wants this guy, at best KW makes a rich team take him as part of a larger trade. Negative value big time.

Beckham: Wherever he plays in the infield, this guy is gonna hit something like 290/360/480 soon enough. Maybe even next year. Hopefully.

by madvillian on Jun 22, 2009 6:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

where is cooper?

when you’ve got shit, all you can make is shit slushies.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 22, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Linebrink

will be back to old (fine )form shortly.

Still a mediocre team, at best.

Time to show Greg Walker the door.

by ballyb on Jun 22, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Before I read any further, why do we have to link Swisher's name with his baseball card? I don't want to see that, I want to see something topical as to how our old men were responsible...

also, if you must link to that, can it at least be in a new window?

You call this an 8th-best-baseball-blog??

Regards,
Concerned Reader

Just [expletive] Fuck It.

by homesickalien on Jun 22, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is Rephresh like Summer Eve?

If so, good one.
Did I tell you I got a Fathers Day text? Said “what time is the game”?
WU’s future.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Always wanted a boy, for some reason...

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I might hit "Rephresh". I hear it works well.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear your discomfort can be alleviated. See Cheat above.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 22, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great minds, OPOS.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elbow-assholes.

Just [expletive] Fuck It.

by homesickalien on Jun 22, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mitchell robbed of a triple in the CWS.

We need to get the LSU pitcher. Three solo HR’s allowed in the same inning. Looks like Liney.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jerry says 'sell kenny, sell'
Jerry Reinsdorf to bid for Coyotes on Friday

The owner of the Chicago Bulls and White Sox has promised a bid to keep the Phoenix Coyotes in Arizona, during a hearing in the team’s bankruptcy court case on Monday.

An attorney for Jerry Reinsdorf said via phone that his client would apply to the NHL to buy the team by Friday.

The announcement by Reinsdorf is in line with documents filed in court by the NHL earlier in the day. The league said that it was confident a local bidder would come forward by the end of the week — exactly when Reinsdorf said he would field a bid for the ailing franchise.

Judge Redfield T. Baum set Aug. 5 as the new deadline for a local sale.

The NHL said it could meet that deadline but the lawyers representing the city of Glendale, Ariz., said it didn’t think a new lease agreement could be worked out by then.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2009/06/22/sp-coyotes-nhl.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 22, 2009 7:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mitchell is a blur.

This is exciting.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he's okay.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 22, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Physically he reminds me of BJ Upton with more heft.

Especially rounding 2nd during his triple. I like his competitiveness, too.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 22, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is that robin ventura?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 22, 2009 7:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

in the event kenny trades bobby what kind of prospect can we expect?

here’s a list with prospect rankings I found:

http://www.scoutingbook.com/prospects/matrix

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 22, 2009 8:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Strasburg caliber.

Time to show Greg Walker the door.

by ballyb on Jun 22, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm never for selling

this year is no exception. Unless you trade Jenks…. you aren’t going to get very much. If you do trade Jenks, you will have a hole at closer. Sure Thornton may be able to do it…. but you don’t know that. When the angels signed Fuentes a lot of people were flabbergasted thinking Arredondo could do the job… well Arredondo is in the minors now. It took us long enough to get a decent closer… don’t want to go back to the days of Howry, Karchner, Foulke, Simas, Koch.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 22, 2009 9:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

foulke was good for us

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 22, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are too young to remember that.

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 22, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

and thankfully there is this thing called the internet

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/foulkke01.shtml

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 22, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

JUST MESSIN

I BARELY REMEMBER THAT THO

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And also pitched his arm off getting the Red Sox their championship

He was a good closer…but Manuel lost faith in him necessitating the Koch trade because Koch got saves the right way with a big fastball.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 22, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If memory serves me correctly, Foulke was having effectiveness (for lack of a better term) issues at the beginning of 2002

and asked to be demoted while he worked himself back to form. That was seen as a sign of weakness and the Sox (or maybe just Manuel) didn’t trust him with the closer role anymore. It’s interesting how different the sports world functions than the normal world, where that would be seen as a sign of understanding one’s abilities and looking out for the best interests of the team.

The Koch trade still makes my blood boil. I had the displeasure of watching him pitch in many games for the A’s in 2002 and there was a reason he had 10 wins and 40 saves. He would have had 50 saves if he hadn’t blown so many games and had the A’s offense pick him up. I’m guessing the Sox didn’t scout him much before pulling the trigger on that one and just went of statistics because he just wasn’t that good in 2002. Otherwise, they should have fired those scouts mid-season 2003 ;)

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 23, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the importance of EYES

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

truth is

alot of people think the soxs aint bringing thome back next year why not at the all star break ship him and maybe get a full time center fielder? I love thome wish he would retire a soxs player but if he does leave why not get something in return?

by soxside440 on Jun 23, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

First, welcome to the site.

Second, who wants Thome that is willing to part with a full-time CF?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice post

and i’m glad you mentioned kong was in small part responsible for the nick swisher trade.

Always bet on black!

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 24, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let it go. You hate the man. We know. Move on.

You are a man of letters. Rise above it.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 24, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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