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Minor Leaguers Could Play Big Role at Trade Deadline

Continued from yesterday

Safe

  • Tyler Flowers -- Flowers is the Sox best prospect now that Beckham and Poreda are soon to lose their prospect status. Flowers is slated to take over for AJ Pierzynski following the '10 season, but might force his way onto the roster next year as a DH/backup C.

    I'm still not completely on board the Flowers bandwagon, at least not as much as Tdogg and Larry. I'm still a bit concerned about hit contact rate, though he obviously has shown a great batting eye. He'll probably adjust eventually, but I'll always have some reservations until I see him produce at the major league level.

  • Brandon Allen -- Allen was recently promoted to Charlotte and figures to be a September call-up candidate. With Thome and Dye (possibly) coming off the books next year, Allen could find his way to the '10 opening day roster at 1B/DH. Konerko will be coming off the books after '10 with AJ, which should remove all obstacles. Colin has Allen in his "likely to be traded" column, but I'm convinced his proximity to the big leagues and impending departures of the old & slow core puts him in the safe category.

    Allen has seen his ISO (power) drop to its lowest level since he his first season in A-ball, which might be a product of the expansive OF in B'ham. But he has offset that drop in power by demonstrating better control of the strike zone, maintaining his new found batting eye while further cutting down on his strikeouts. I wouldn't be overly concerned about the power, as the batting eye was the one area where he needed the most improvement.

  • Jordan Danks -- Unlike the two previous players Danks is not blocked by any players of consequence, and thus could conceivably find his way to the major league club faster than them.

    Danks has been everything I thought he would be. I just didn't expect it to happen so fast. So while I want to say that he's at least another full season away, I also didn't expect him to be at AA before the All-Star break, or even before the end of the season. He'll have to work on his contact issues, but his walk-rate and defensive abilities could carry him to the show if the Sox find themselves in a similar situation next season.

  • Jared Mitchell -- You can't trade a guy who's not even signed yet...
  • Dayan Viciedo -- I can't see the Sox moving a guy they spent that much money on in such short order. Viciedo has been disappointing to some, but those people had unreasonable expectations. He's shown improvement month-to-month as a 20-year old in AA. It's far too early to give up on him.

Star-divide

Trade Bait

  • Daniel Hudson -- The third member of the Sox outstanding '08 draft class to reach AA. Hudson's numbers are remarkably similar to those of the 4th overall pick Brian Matusz. And while I'm not going to compare him to the big lefty, I get the feeling that he's being undersold by some here.

    Hudson was considered a second-round talent following his sophomore season, but had some gopheritis problems his junior campaign, losing his Friday starter spot and dropping in the draft. The talent was still there, and it's not like a 90-93MPH fastball is something to scoff at. That plays in the big leagues. Part Gavin Floyd and part Javier Vazquez, he might not be a front of the rotation guy, but he's got plus stuff and a knows how to miss some bats.

    Behind Poreda and Richard on the SP depth chart, and with an ETA that doesn't put him on the big league club at any point next year, Hudson is the prospect most likely to be shipped out at the deadline.

  • Dexter Carter -- Larry's boy hasn't moved as quickly as his former ODU teammate, but he's got a few extra MPH on his fastball and might grade out higher on most scouts' scorecards. Not quite a project -- it seems the Sox already tackled the major project that was his control -- Carter is the type of high-upside arm that all (smart) teams are looking for in trades.
  • John Shelby -- Already having been supplanted by Jordan Danks as B'ham's CFer, Shelby slid even further down the Sox shallow CF depth chart when they drafted Mitchell. Shelby's likely destination wasn't CF anyway, as he's still quite raw out there. Teams aren't going to come to the Sox asking for Shelby, but he'll definitely be on the list of available players.
  • Nathan Jones -- He throws hard. Teams seem to like that.

There are plenty of other guys who would be of some value to other teams, guys like Gregor Infante, Charlie Leesman, Santos Luis, Jon Gilmore, maybe even a Justin Greene, but I would be here all night if I listed the guys who might be traded.

This little exercise reinforced my feeling from the previous piece that the Sox should largely stay put. They've got some nice prospects in place to replace their aging core, and any trade of those players would seem to legitimately push the Sox next good team a year two later.

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This is nice.

Hat tip ought to go to Mr. Minor League, larry, for his research.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

And Colin. Gave Cheat something to argue with re Allen.

Though there should’ve been a picture with the story.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

here ya go

"Yes, the pitch in between the 2 home runs was HOF material.
Linebrink needs to be impaled by a trident." - Ozzie Montana 6-18-09

by e-gus on Jun 23, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

that really looks like a penis.

nice work, e-gus.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 23, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I completely missed that. ;)

Hmmm. A Gestalt concept of “foreground/background” applies here, I believe.

LOL.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep on wishing, old man.

For the record, my tongue isn’t pierced, so don’t get your hopes up!

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

the looming threat of an empty canvas

makes the contrast between ‘scissors’ and the penis all the more stark. perhaps a commentary on the concept of language as arbitrary signage.

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by colintj on Jun 23, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is this the Sunday NYT magazine columnist

William Safire? We are blessed.

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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and good morning, Starshine.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

all i'm saying is

Cy Twombley could have painted that.

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by colintj on Jun 23, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

i actually found it

googling ‘5 year old drawings’

"Yes, the pitch in between the 2 home runs was HOF material.
Linebrink needs to be impaled by a trident." - Ozzie Montana 6-18-09

by e-gus on Jun 24, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

ahhh, criminals

they always return to the scene of the crime. e-gus, you weren’t in elmhurst on June 8th, right? riiiiiiiiiiight!

ELMHURST, June 8 — Someone drew a penis and wrote the words “smells like bacon” on the rear fender and trunk of a city vehicle parked on York Road.

Where time is meaningless, and outside of diamonds there are no dimensions.

by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jun 23, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

my favorite penis news

happened in england. Got to love that witty british humor.

An 18-year-old has secretly painted a 60ft drawing of a phallus on the roof of his parents’ £1million mansion in Berkshire.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/newsbeat/newsid_7961000/7961224.stm

by soxshenanigans on Jun 23, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

All he needs is a little HSA action.

HSA/CS, when were you going to talk with his folks? You are dragging a$$ here.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

regarding hudson,

from listening to his first AA start, i think he may be throwing faster than 90-93 (which may explain some of his success so far). methinks the birmingham gun is fast but they had him in the upper 90s at points, which was into poreda territory. analogizing, i think he may be sitting closer to 92-95 now.

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by larry on Jun 23, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions  

I've been hearing that he's touched 98

Not sure I believe his velo could have jumped that much but it’s interesting to note.

by The Big Hurt on Jun 23, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah. that was on the birmingham gun.

don’t believe it. poreda would reach that territory and beyond frequently but you will see that he doesn’t reach that in the majors, certainly not as much as he supposedly did in AA. that’s why i adjusted downwards.

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by larry on Jun 23, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

That changes things a bit

I had him ahead of Carter on my own internal list, just to go against the site expert (wink) but now I have actual (questionable) data to back it up… woo-hoo!

by The Cheat on Jun 23, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's pretty interesting.

and suggests it would be a bad time to sell. as Cheat suggested, i may have underestimated his ceiling.

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by colintj on Jun 23, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

or the team will end up sucking like the last time we had a farm system rated like this.

no guarantees with prospects.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 23, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

But it at least gets the juices moving where as before it was stomach churning to look at our farm system.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

My favorite commercial in that series...

The one where he went through a whole chain of life changing events, all spurred on by going into Men’s warehouse and picking up a “nice” suit.
The end result was you’d get to retire somewhere tropical b/c your kids got into better schools and got good jobs.

Talk about a great ROI.

Formerly Crede's Crew

by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 23, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hoytsstash saw Flowers play in many games during Spring Training..

No offense to Larry or TDogg, but this guy looked like a J.V. High School bullpen catcher. SImply put, he looked lost at the major league/spring training level. Absolutely bad and lost. Passed balls, Ks, missed pop-up outs. And at the plate he looked like he was swinging underwater…..
Unless this guy finds it during this year in the minors, I think ’10 is NOT gonna happen for him….
Cuz I know you guys give a shit

" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST

by Hoytsstash on Jun 23, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions  

no offense to Hoytsstash

but he should read what i write about flowers’ defense.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 23, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I should and I will, where does Hoytsstash find such script?

" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST

by Hoytsstash on Jun 23, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

i imagine the search function is a place to start.

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by larry on Jun 23, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Imagination is a certifiable measure of intelligence.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

certifiable

adj.
1. That can be certified: a certifiable fact; certifiable data.
2. Fit to be declared insane.

"Yes, the pitch in between the 2 home runs was HOF material.
Linebrink needs to be impaled by a trident." - Ozzie Montana 6-18-09

by e-gus on Jun 23, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he's OPS'ing 1.000 or so now

I’d say he’s emerged from the lake.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

excellent imagery

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 23, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

sword in hand?

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by colintj on Jun 23, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this the empty canvas talking?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was thinking Flowers = lady of the lake

Beckham = Arthur

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by colintj on Jun 23, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

i do dig that.

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by colintj on Jun 23, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't let him play against Dayton

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 23, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' bats is no basis for a catcher depth chart.

supreme backstop power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jun 23, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

you should know, you are OPOS'ing 1.000 or so now too

Where time is meaningless, and outside of diamonds there are no dimensions.

by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jun 23, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

no

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by larry on Jun 23, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you know last Sunday was Father's Day?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

do you know what time the sox play?

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Jun 23, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

on the third day.

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 23, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he might be moving into BA's territory?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

it is the deep south

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bastard!

You’re a fine one to talk, PF.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Victoria was his sister?

Gotta love his Blago do’

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not hair, it's a coon skin hat.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's got better hair

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

squinty-eyed skank

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Him or her?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

now that's a good looking couple.

rivaling the two at the top left.

Where time is meaningless, and outside of diamonds there are no dimensions.

by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jun 23, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't need him due to pods zero strikeouts

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great job, Cheat.

I’d love to see Danks mid next year. Possibly a real, home grown outfielder who fields and hits.

Time to show Greg Walker the door.

by ballyb on Jun 23, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

that guys is going to have a long and productive career

"Yes, the pitch in between the 2 home runs was HOF material.
Linebrink needs to be impaled by a trident." - Ozzie Montana 6-18-09

by e-gus on Jun 23, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I prefer to cogitate on his current status.

2 BS’ in 2 days against his former team. Irony is occasionally delicious.

BWAHAHAHA!

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't he about due to go back on the DL?

"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella

by tailgater on Jun 23, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope Q! doesn't turn out to be KW Pt. II

Yeah, I said it.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

FALSE WITNESS!

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 23, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blasphemer!

"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella

by tailgater on Jun 23, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

BURN HIM!!!!

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 23, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Q! will be fine once he is fitted with his bionic foot

"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella

by tailgater on Jun 23, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

how cool would that be?

’he’s more machine than man now, twisted and evil.’

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 23, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not a witch!

The Witch: I’m not a witch I’m not a witch!
Sir Bedevere: But you are dressed as one
The Witch: They dressed me up like this!
Crowd: We didn’t! We didn’t…
The Witch: And this isn’t my nose. It’s a false one.
Sir Bedevere: [lifts up her false nose] Well?
Peasant 1: Well, we did do the nose.
Sir Bedevere: The nose?
Peasant 1: And the hat, but she is a witch!
Crowd: Yeah! Burn her! Burn her!
Sir Bedevere: Did you dress her up like this?
Peasant 1: No!
Peasant 3, Peasant 2: No!
Peasant 3: No!
Peasant 1: No!
Peasant 3, Peasant 2: No!
Peasant 1: Yes!
Peasant 2: Yes!
Peasant 1: Yeah a bit.
Peasant 3: A bit!
Peasant 1, Peasant 2: A bit!
Peasant 2: a bit
Peasant 1: But she has got a wart!
Random Person in the crowd: cough cough

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cause she looks like one!

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 23, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

burn me.

I’m still waiting for Q! to prove that he isn’t KWII.

Wood’s never been close to a Cy Young, even when he pitched over 200 innings in ‘02 and ’03. The Sox are missing their MVP candidate. Q! is creating a bigger hole than Wood. (on a tee for the ’that’s what Cip said’ crowd)

I’m going to go duck and cover…

"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote

by SkanchoDanza on Jun 23, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

What letter is always paired with Q? The u.

Q! needs uribe as his spiritual brother-helper. or to always play games on wciu.

science tells me that ugueth urbina will make Q! twice as good.

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

What have you been drinking?

I want some.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quervo.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh, that's just bad. You should be burned...

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's how the it works.

Q! and uribe can take turns carrying the team.

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 23, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's an '05 statue with Uribe on it?

I’ll have to have someone point that out to me. Geez. Can’t believe i missed it. They really should make those things bigger and blacker and glossier. Real incongruous-like. Really make it stand out. Make it look like something Diddy would build around his pool. I mean, the Sox will probably never get there again. They should have covered all of the free space right in front of the park with it… because I missed :)

"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote

by SkanchoDanza on Jun 23, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

burn him twice!!!

"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote

by SkanchoDanza on Jun 23, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

or bubbling out of his bong

Where time is meaningless, and outside of diamonds there are no dimensions.

by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jun 23, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes! alternating water and smoke!

… okay. i take it all back. it’s an understated monument without the smoke and water.

"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote

by SkanchoDanza on Jun 23, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

nah

just stayed out too late in his old Chicago haunts.

"Yes, the pitch in between the 2 home runs was HOF material.
Linebrink needs to be impaled by a trident." - Ozzie Montana 6-18-09

by e-gus on Jun 23, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

N-Halsted missed their Wood

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think we've talked about this before

but I haven’t seen anything that could compete with that version of Woods, except Pedro in his prime.

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by colintj on Jun 23, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tiger?

"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella

by tailgater on Jun 23, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

kerry.

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by colintj on Jun 23, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh right.

fuckinaye.

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by colintj on Jun 23, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go back to bed.

Still 3 hours until game time.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your New Look White Sox

I suspect this team will look radically different next year. GMs have been putting a very high value on prospects the last couple years, and KW has never really hesitated to trade a prospect if it meant he could haul in a proven major league performer.

With all this payroll falling off after this season, I see KW being a buyer in the market and trading prospects for veterans. Although the minors are stocked with interesting talent, you never know with youngsters until they get up to the majors and prove they can perform here. For example, I’m sure KW’s kicking himself for not trading Fields while he could have gotten something for him a couple years ago. I wouldn’t consider any of our prospects untouchables.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 23, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I (vr) disagree.

The economy sucks, and will for a long time. Every sport is getting hit. And that’s why JR wants a hockey franchise now – those team values have come down significantly, and one in bankruptcy court is even more of a value. That (potential) purchase stretches the finances a wee bit more, I’d bet. The pipeline is (finally) interesting – did you see Mitchell yesterday? have you seen Jordan Danks? – and cheap. Ozzie did a reasonably good job with some young talent in FL (Yes, I know, they had Alou, Sheffield, Pudge, and Kevin Brown, amongst others, but they also had young pitching and decent young guys – a nice mix.) And I wonder if he is getting bored with these old, slow guys. Isn’t his contract up in 2012? I think we’re shooting for 2011-2012 to make the serious run.

The SP is solid – 3, if not 4, reliable guys. Our lineup is a mess after next year but has promise (if Q gets healthy, if Che continues to progress at SS, if…aw, who am I kidding?). I think we position to be respectable next year (Paulie and AJ take their bows) and shoot for the kids to improve enough to carry the team in 2011.

Really, I think economics will drive this bus, and I can’t see taking on a bunch of veterans’ salaries, unless it is done on the cheap, if we are going to be a .500 club.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

ozzie did a tremendous job deciding whether or not to send the runner home

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Jun 23, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, he has. Guess how many runners have been on

When Ozzie’s brought him in? I mean all season.
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ONE.

See Sox Machine for more.

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you putting Ozzie on ther same level as Cox?

Fer Chrissakes, think Cox will ever manage, let alone win a WS?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 23, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

no

just not really sure what “reasonably good job” you are referring to outside of deciding whether or not the guy on third should proceed home

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Jun 23, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree with you.

While I don’t mind a trade like the possible Peavy deal that didn’t work out. I don’t like clearing out the minors just for a mlb player that will give you a few years and thats it. Of course a prospect is just that, a prospect, and hasn’t proved anything yet. However it makes no sense to me to sell low at this point. Might as well learn from a deal like the Bagwell-Anderson deal in ’90.

by Ahillock on Jun 23, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

what's the take home message there?

don’t trade a mediocre prospect because they will shoot up with steroids and become a HOF’er?

by Hatchetm on Jun 23, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

So Pete, youre saying we'll see Griffey back?

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

and he'll be patrolling CF!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where time is meaningless, and outside of diamonds there are no dimensions.

by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jun 23, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT: Lollapalooza aftershows

for Friday night, it looks like both TV on the Radio and Arctic Monkeys have (separate) aftershows. Deerhunter has one for Sunday. Pretty, pretty good…

by CWSKeith on Jun 23, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions  

damn

missing the whole thing again this year

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Jun 23, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ken Williams says White Sox not in seller's mode
Despite his disappointment that the White Sox aren’t in first place, general manager Ken Williams doesn’t envision his team in a seller’s mode with the July 31 non-waiver trading deadline approaching.

“Over the course of however many games are left, I would anticipate that we’re going to give this thing a run for its money,” Williams said. “So I can’t put myself in the mind frame of a seller, where people have us in that ‘are they buyers or sellers?’ Every time I go back there and look at that board, I’m looking for impact players.”

Williams said "I know a lot of people call us for pitching, so we must have a little bit. …

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/06/ken-williams-says-white-sox-not-in-sellers-mode.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

All-star game gets a big star
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama will throw out the first pitch at the Major League Baseball All-Star Game at Busch Stadium in St. Louis on July 14, an administration official said today.

A formal announcement of the president’s appearance at baseball’s 80th mid-summer classic will be come later, the official said.

The official noted that baseball is focused on community service this summer and throughout all-star week in conjunction with the president’s call to service through United We Serve. …

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/political-fix/2009/06/all-star-game-gets-a-big-star-obama/

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2009 5:35 PM CDT reply actions  

sweet. two guys in sox hats will be in the building.

"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote

by SkanchoDanza on Jun 23, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sweet, now fix the economy you fucking terrorist

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 23, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST

by Hoytsstash on Jun 23, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait till you hear about my theory on how he's not black

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 23, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

there are people that claim he's black?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kenny on Q and Freddy
General manager Ken Williams, however, wasn’t that impressed after watching Quentin run to right field recently.

“I guess when he gets out there and looks good running, he gets to play,” Williams said Tuesday. “I have not asked the question recently because he’s not close enough to where I need to start paying attention to our roster and our decisions regarding our roster.”

Williams intimated that pitcher Freddy Garcia is a long way from being ready to pitch. Williams said that Garcia, trying to build up strength in his right pitching shoulder, is believed to be working out in North Carolina. “That’s a slow process,” Williams said. “We have to build him the right way, the way he was supposed to be built from the beginning.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-24-white-sox-bits-chicago-jun24,0,6922996.story

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2009 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

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