You've Been Warned: White Sox Minor League Update
by larry on Jun 27, 2009 11:49 AM CDT
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Kenny Williams has never been shy about trading players, especially his prospects. More often than not, there's a good argument to be made that Kenny made smart decisions by trading away players (Borchard, Reed, so on) who never panned out for players (Thornton, Garcia, so on) who become integral parts of White Sox teams. So, taking a riff from The Cheat earlier this week, of the current crop of top talent, who do you think is most likely to never appear in the White Sox uniform because he is traded?
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manager chris cron leaves great falls to become white sox minor league infield instructor
Cron was tabbed earlier this week to be the minor league infield instructor, working with all White Sox farm clubs. As such, he’ll visit Great Falls on several occasions each summer. He managed his last game here Friday night.
He will be replaced by former major league pitcher Jose Bautista, 44, who served as pitching coach at Bristol (Va.) in 2008.
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by larry on Jun 27, 2009 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I said Carter. High upside type that KW just loves to sell high on.
I almost said Allen, though. He doesn’t really fit into the immediate plans unless he moves to the OF. That said, he should be the opening day 1B in 2011 if he stays.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 27, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Thome / Dye don’t come back I’d think he fits in pretty well in 2010 ?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 27, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think at least one of them will be back
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by colintj on Jun 27, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if not both.
Think about it; Dye and Thome are both fan favorites. Both will likely not be offered huge amounts on the FA market(Dye is more likely to get offers, of course) and both will likely sign for less than what other teams are offering. The Sox will certainly have the cash to ink them if they don’t splurge. Really not a lot to lose. Besides, Thome could end up in a good spot to get 600 next year. And who would replace them? I don’t see the point in rushing Allen. If anyone tails off next year, that’s the time to bring up Allen for good.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 27, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dye also has a $12 mil option for 2010.
Flowers – who is apparently the motherfucking boogeyman of the southern league
by omnipotent grab on Jun 27, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt the Sox pick that up
more likely they buy him out or renegotiate.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 27, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hence "at least"
Thome and Dye are the obvious route at this point. Kenny could certainly go in a radically different direction, but cost and player certainty are also important to him. Also, it looks like we’re buying pitchers, not position players at this point, with the young talent.
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by colintj on Jun 27, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they only really need one starter
if that. I guess they could use another good pen arm, but there are plenty of candidates in the minors, as always.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 27, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allen.
Too many young 1B/DH possibilities with more flexibility (Dayan, T-Flow, e.g.).
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 27, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ideally, neither of those guys will be an everyday firstbasemen..,
I wonder if they’ll get a defensive catcher to supplement Flowers.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 27, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not an idealist.
I would be hopeful for the 3B, C positions, respectively.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 27, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say it's more likely Flowers ends up at C than Viciedo at third
if only for the lack of any catchers in the system even close to the majors
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 27, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you.
How about that?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 27, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with allen, though
one needs to keep in mind that he’s a near certainty to be a sept. callup.
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by larry on Jun 27, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right...
I’d be surprised if Flowers or Viciedo played for the Sox before Sept. next year.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 27, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't say which team allen would be a callup for.
and i’m pretty sure flowers would be one, too.
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by larry on Jun 27, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he might get gone by Sept. if KW does any deals.
But sure, he was in AZ for ST, so (unless he sucks mightily in AAA) he’ll come up. Forgot that.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 27, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flowers... I'd say no
unless the Sox felt like they needed him or that it would be beneficial for his defense. I would hope that they would make sure he’s at least adequate as a catcher before they move him up to the majors to stay, but since he shouldn’t be on the team until the end of next year, I wouldn’t quite understand it.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 27, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who said anything about him staying.
call-up for september. as for understanding it, more games and more reps kind of sound beneficial to me. obviously a difference in talent, but i’d imagine he’s approximately on the donny lucy path of 2007-08, before he busted his knee. last month or so in charlotte, sept. callup, back to charlotte next season.
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by larry on Jun 27, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
I just want whatever’s best for his defensive development.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 27, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i don't see how being called up in september when he can't play anywhere else has anything to do with what you're concerned about.
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by larry on Jun 27, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What can I say?
You’re always one step ahead.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 27, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flowers will be up before Sept next year
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 28, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Q & A with laumann re: draft
phegley:
Were there any need positions in this draft that you feel like you filled?
Rosemary B.
Camden, NJ
Yes, I think there were. We had originally set out to get an impact guy for the top of the order, and we accomplished that. Also we wanted to get a front-line catcher who could possibly contribute with the core of minor leaguers that we have in high (Class) A and AA. With Josh Phegley, we did that. And we are always looking to add pitching, and we got a good mix of both college and high school pitching in rounds 2-10.
-——————————————————————————————————————-
Where do you see Phegley’s future with the White Sox, defensively? Doug O.
I have heard much talk and even criticism about whether Josh can catch or not. I will stand behind my judgment as well as the judgment of several of my scouts and supervisors that say, without a doubt, he will be a catcher. His hands are good, he has plenty arm, he is strong and durable, and he is an unbelievable worker and leader.
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by larry on Jun 27, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"He has plenty arm."
Indian scouts?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 27, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
phegley assigned to kanny
http://kannapolis.intimidators.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ros&cid=487&stn=true&sid=t487
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by larry on Jun 27, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very cool Q&A all around
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by colintj on Jun 27, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i feel reassured
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by colintj on Jun 29, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flowers
I dislike catchers with no defense
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 27, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe see him play first?
Maybe?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 27, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
kuhn 1-3, S
morel 0-4, BB
mollenhauer 2-5, HR
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by larry on Jun 27, 2009 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
david holmberg (2nd rd) debuts for bristol
1 IP, 1 hit, 2 BB, 1 K.
miguel gonzalez 2-4, 2B
brady shoemaker 1-4, 2B, BB
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by larry on Jun 27, 2009 8:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
egbert with another effective start: 8 IP, 4 hits, 0 BB, 7 K.
allen 1-4, 2B
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by larry on Jun 27, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
talk about a guy who
has turned this season around.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 28, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"hey, larry. this is why dexter carter is still in kannapolis, asshole."
4 IP, 3 hits, 6 BB, 3 K, WP.
greene 2-5, SB
gilmore 1-5
black 2-5
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by larry on Jun 27, 2009 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
justin collop (6th rd) makes his first appearance for great falls
2 IP, 1 hit, 1 BB, 1 K, WP.
ciolli 2-4
colligan 1-3, HR, HBP
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by larry on Jun 27, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
silverio 2-5, 2B, 2 K
juan ramirez 3-5
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by larry on Jun 27, 2009 11:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
knights beat up lance broadway.
allen 2-4
betemit 1-3,BB
torres 7 IP, 5 hits, 2 BB, 2 K, HBP. 15-3 GO-FO.
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by larry on Jun 28, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
phegley with a nice debut (from the DH spot): 3-4
greene 0-5.
infante 7 IP, 3 hits, 0 BB, 7 K, 2 HBP.
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by larry on Jun 28, 2009 6:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
morel 2-4, 2 HR, BB
mollenhauer 2-5, 2B
edwards bludgeoned: 4 IP, 7 hits, 1 BB, 1 K, HBP, 4 HR (!)
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by larry on Jun 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ciolli 2-4
colligan 2-3, BB, 3B, HR
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by larry on Jun 28, 2009 8:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
shelby 2-3, 2 BB, 2B, 3B, SB
cj 0-5
flowers 2-5, HR
viciedo 2-3, 2 2B
marrero 1-4
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by larry on Jun 28, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, what is Flowers still doing in AA?
Flowers – who is apparently the motherfucking boogeyman of the southern league
by omnipotent grab on Jun 29, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dayan is progressing almost as rapidly as of late. We just traded for Castro.
No rush. He’s working on his “D”. Looks like he’ll hit wherever he goes.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 29, 2009 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as many walks as Ks in June, if you can believe it (9/9).
.295/.352/.442 for the month
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by colintj on Jun 29, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another rough outing for griffith
4 IP, 4 hits, 3 BB, 4 K, WP.
santos rodriguez 1 IP, 1 hit, 1 BB, 1 K.
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by larry on Jun 28, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know its a small sample
but geez Allen has 0 walks at AAA?
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
by Tdogg on Jun 29, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think he's having a little trouble adapting
to the mix of pitches plus better location.
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by colintj on Jun 29, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree - Charlotte is better than Birmingham.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 29, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those gobbles and wassermans are brutal
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 29, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
upchurch? upchuck.
4.2 IP, 12 hits, 1 BB, 3 K, WP.
j.r. ballinger with a tough debut, as well: 2.1 IP, 5 hits, 1 BB, 2 K, WP.
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by larry on Jun 29, 2009 9:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
morel 1-4
kuhn 0-4
mollenhauer 1-4
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by larry on Jun 29, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Flowers 4-4 tonight (through 7)
His average might have risen enough to impress the soxtalk pundits
by 3E8 on Jun 29, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How much of a concern is the k-rate?
I’ve been intermittently comparing his minor league record (K’s, mainly) to other high OBP sluggers. From the very limited research I’ve done it seems the 20-25% k-rate is workable so long as you can maintain the plus OBP and slugging skills. My only issue is the potential for that k-rate to rise when he makes the next big leap to the show. What do you think?
by CWSKeith on Jun 29, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the ratio is more important than either walks or k's in a vacuum.
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by colintj on Jun 29, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not much concerned
His BB% ranks 2nd in the SL, and after tonight his ISO will be tops in the SL while playing in a pitcher’s park. With such advanced plate discipline and power, Flowers K% can increase when he makes the jump and his offensive value at catcher should be healthy
by 3E8 on Jun 29, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its concerning....
but maybe he just takes too many pitches. i’ve wracked my brain to think of anyone who has struck out that much in the minors and turned into a good major league hitter. hell i can’t think of many comps at all. cust? adam dunn was already an all-star at 23.
by Hatchetm on Jun 30, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how bout this for a comp?
greg luzinski: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=luzins001gre
but he was 4 years younger.
by Hatchetm on Jun 30, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
instead of wracking your brain, just look up who strikes out a lot as a major leaguer.
it’s not like those guys suddenly became K prone.
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by larry on Jun 30, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, well I did that...
there really are no good comps. Either Flowers is highly unusual or guys like him never reach the majors.
by Hatchetm on Jun 30, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would note
that it’s generally unusual for a player with flowers’ offensive skills to not be in the majors already. it’s his defense that is keeping him from the majors, not his bat.
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by larry on Jun 30, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i won't argue with that
but i didn’t eliminate any comps due to age. i will submit luzinski as my closest minor league comp with tettleton being my best guess as to how he turns out. wonder if tettleton was one of the first juicers? he didn’t show a lot of power in the minors.
by Hatchetm on Jun 30, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, you were talking about age above and i couldn't figure out why.
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by larry on Jun 30, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just thought it was valid to mention
the bull was a lot younger when he put up similar numbers. seemed to be a reoccurring theme.
by Hatchetm on Jun 30, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Similar K rates
not BB rates
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 30, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the basis for your comps?
K%?
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 30, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see Howard, Ryan
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 30, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
most guys like howard
never struck out that much in the minors. a few did, but never walked as much as flowers does. guys like rob deer.
by Hatchetm on Jun 30, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please look up
before responding, research does wonders.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 30, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF are you talking about?
i looked up about 50 of the single season K guys before i even brought it up.
by Hatchetm on Jun 30, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you didn't look up Howard
whom I specifically referred to. That is WTF.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 30, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you didn't look up Howard
whom I specifically referred to. That is WTF.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 30, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
howard is nothing like flowers
when comparing bb/k ratios.
by Hatchetm on Jun 30, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
although he does K about as much as flowers
a good sign i suppose.
by Hatchetm on Jun 30, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My post was a reply to your post that stated this:
i’ve wracked my brain to think of anyone who has struck out that much in the minors and turned into a good major league hitter.
Tough day or what? Not sure where BB comes into play there . . . that was a different discussion. Luzinski’s walk rates were nowhere near Flowers either on a consistent basis.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 30, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howard fits the bill almost
perfectly from a K% perspective and at a similar age/level. Which is the exact opposite of your statement above . . . where ‘guys like Howard never struck out that much in the minors’. I was just attempting to help the brain wracking . . . there have been successful MLB players that have struck out at these rates. The fact he is a C, only makes it that much more acceptable. Is it a concern? Sure. I am not too worried about it though.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 30, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you're right
about what i said, though i was just rambling. i still don’t think there are any adequate comps to flowers. there were a very few guys who struck out a ton in the minors and had some MLB success. none that i can find had similar BB/K levels. Luzinski is about as close as i could find if you just look at performance through AA.
by Hatchetm on Jun 30, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A good comp
for both BB and K is Cust . . . he actually struck out at a more prolific rate. I think one can imagine the value of a guy similar to Cust at the plate, but at C would have.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 30, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought about cust
both PED users too.
by Hatchetm on Jun 30, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you're not using, you don't want it enough.
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by larry on Jun 30, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yawn.
it’s AA. he should be hitting, like, .420.
and that was a real yawn. i’m tired. if anyone wants to recap the rest of tonight’s games, have at it.
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by larry on Jun 29, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Get to work.
It’s still light in China.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 29, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yao Ming's career is over.
There is no more light in China.
by ThisIsJustBanter on Jun 29, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Charlotte wins 12-7 in ten
Allen 0-6 (no strikeouts)
Goggles 3-6
Killibridge 1-4
Kroger 3-6
Armstrong 2-5
Harrell 6 innings pitched, 9 hits, 3 runs, 3 walks, 3 k’s
D-Rod gives up two
Omgorrosso? gives up two (he’s in relief now)
Wasserman scoreless inning
Link with one hit and one K for the save
this was waaaaay tooo long sorry
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 29, 2009 10:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no save, my bad, but he did close it out
I’m still rooting for this guy
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 29, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Birmingham misses Beckham, loses 6-5
Flowers 4-4 BB SB
Viciedo 1-5 K
Shelby 2-5 2B SB
Gartrell 2-4 HR
Cassel 8 innings pitched, 4 runs, 3 ER, 2 BB, 4 K
some dude named Lujan blows it for us, 2 innings pitched, 2 ER, 1 BB, 2K
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 29, 2009 10:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Boogeyman went out to show he could hit singles and steal bases if he wanted to.
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by colintj on Jun 29, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
links
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 29, 2009 10:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks
but don’t forget great falls.
ciolli 2-4, 2B
colligan 1-3
both of these guys are looking a bit too advanced for the level, though we’ll see if that holds up when more of the college pitchers start to throw more innings.
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by larry on Jun 30, 2009 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah yes, my bad
and you are all welcome
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 30, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going above and beyond
Tyler Flowers, C, White Sox (Double-A Birmingham)
Monday’s stats: 4-for-4, RBI, BB, SB
Sure he reached base in all five plate appearances, but how cool is it that a 250-pound catcher stole a base while gunning down Mobile’s only attempting thief? Now batting .346/.447/.641 in 23 June games, Flowers could be moving up soon, and with a White Sox team possibly on the verge of a major overhaul, Flowers’ future will certainly play a role in many big decisions that are made.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9152
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by larry on Jun 30, 2009 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very exciting.
We can has return for Javy? Really?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
still only hitting .292 for the season though
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jun 30, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just noticed your sig.
That is fantastic.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Only I can steal!"
Flowers – who is apparently the motherfucking boogeyman of the southern league
by omnipotent grab on Jun 30, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sox examines interviews flowers
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-425-Chicago-White-Sox-Examiner~y2009m6d30-QA-with-Tyler-Flowers
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by larry on Jun 30, 2009 2:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
*sox examiner
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by larry on Jun 30, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all of the barons selected for the all-star game.
well, except for mcculloch. he didn’t get picked. but everyone else did.
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by larry on Jun 30, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
allen gets the night off
not much to say about this game without him. hopper was 2-4, 2B.
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by larry on Jun 30, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
greene 1-4
sauer 6 IP, 8 hits, 2 BB, 7 K, HBP.
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by larry on Jun 30, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
looking at KW Jr...
it appears strike zone judgement is genetic.
by Hatchetm on Jul 1, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any ETA on Danks?
Time to show Walker and Dotel the door.
by ballyb on Jun 30, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
apparently he's throwing again.
according to the broadcast from a couple days back. not sure what the timetable is.
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by larry on Jun 30, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Larry.
Time to show Walker and Dotel the door.
by ballyb on Jul 1, 2009 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
more 4-5, HR, SB
kuhn 4-4, 3B
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by larry on Jun 30, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
miguel gonzalez 3-5, HR
gouvea 5 IP, 3 hits (all HR), 3 BB, 6 K.
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by larry on Jun 30, 2009 9:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
d. mercedes 3-6, 2B
j. ramirez 3-6, 2 2B
darwin matos appears to be a pitcher to watch. 18 year old righty. 30.1 IP, 25 hits, 16 BB, 42 K so far this year.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=570558
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by larry on Jun 30, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
barons need 16 innings to win.
shelby 1-7, SB, 3 K
viciedo 0-6, 2 K
marrero 1-7 (game winning single)
flowers 0-2, BB
cj 0-2, BB
ely 6 IP, 5 hits, 2 BB, 6 K.
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by larry on Jul 1, 2009 8:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's trade for the pitcher
who stymied the whole AA All-Star Team.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 1, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tough stretch for CJ
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jul 1, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis 3 IP, 0 BB, 7K?
Who dis?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 1, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really. New guy?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 1, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's some guy who plays for mobile who had a nice day for himself.
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by larry on Jul 1, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ciolli 1-5, 2B
josh billeaud (18th rd) 5 IP, 6 hits, 1 BB, 8 K
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by larry on Jul 1, 2009 8:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sox machine midseason prospect rankings for charlotte and birmingham
http://soxmachine.com/blogs/soxmachine/archive/2009/07/01/16641.aspx
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by larry on Jul 1, 2009 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and w-s and kanny
http://soxmachine.com/blogs/soxmachine/archive/2009/07/02/16647.aspx
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bryan morgado (3d rd) had himself a day pitching in the cape cod league
Tennessee pitcher Bryan Morgado had 13 strikeouts over just five innings of work and the Braves scored two eighth-inning runs to knock off the Kettleers at Doran Park.
Morgado recorded just two outs that did not come by way of a strikeout.
he walked just one and gave up one hit.
http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090630/SPORTS/906300308
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by larry on Jul 1, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
a scout on viciedo
Dayan Viciedo, 3B, White Sox (Double-A Birmingham): “He’s still out of shape, and I didn’t see a lot of power, even in batting practice… he just looked like another guy.”
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9154
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by larry on Jul 1, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough scout re: his other assessments re: Skipworth, et.al.
Hatchetm the morning after?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 1, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fucker was actually working on his swing in BP
instead of hitting bombs. next thing you know he’ll start taking walks. dude’ll never amount to jack shit.
by Hatchetm on Jul 1, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i recall hearing that he was hitting bombs in spring training BP.
i agree, he’s probably still capable of being a BP all-star.
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by larry on Jul 1, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he looks like just another guy at his age at that level isn’t that still not bad?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
july 2 signing update
These teams don’t appear to be competing for any of the big-name prospects, and it’s possible they won’t hand out a single six-figure bonus this summer.
Chicago White Sox: The White Sox’ Latin American program is in need of serious renovations. Their farm system is lacking in Latin American prospects, and the organization has not been mentioned once in connection to a prospect in conversations leading up to July 2. The firing of former director of player personnel Dave Wilder in the wake of a federal investigation around allegations of bonus skimming have severely set back the franchise in Latin America.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/prospects/international-affairs/2009/268476.html
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by larry on Jul 1, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hopefully there's some sort of plan in place here?
lar, you heard anything?
by Hatchetm on Jul 1, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Schwartzenneger, Stallone, and Norris are being recruited.
Someone has to free those enslaved ballplayers. And money won’t work. It can’t work. We have none.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 1, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep arnold. subract sly and chuck. add carl weathers and jesse ventura. now you got a solution!
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jul 1, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that swisher deal just looks better and better: nunez promoted to AAA
omogrosso goes to the DL.
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ros&cid=494&stn=true&sid=t494
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by larry on Jul 1, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kanny postponed: Rain
Phegley was going to be in the lineup at DH again.
by Hatchetm on Jul 1, 2009 6:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Commentary on Hudson's pitch repertoire
I can’t recall whether Hudson’s full selection of pitches has been talked about. I know recent discussion has focused around his fastball, but I had a few more questions. A quick google search yielded this scouting report, but that goes back more than a year. I have to imagine some things have changed since then.
- The Ks are obviously wonderful. Is his slider still his best pitch (or “out pitch”)?
- At this point is he commanding three separate pitches?
- What of his fastball movement? All I have to look at is his GB/FB which doesn’t look all that great. Anything about him cutting his fastball or using a two-seamer?
Any answers would be appreciated.
by CWSKeith on Jul 1, 2009 7:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bristol crushed
but miguel gonzalez keeps hitting: 3-4, 2B, HR.
holmberg continues rough transition to pro: 0.2 IP, 2 hits, 1 BB, 2 K, 2 WP.
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by larry on Jul 1, 2009 8:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
colligan 2-4, SB
tezak 2-4
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 8:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hudson runs into trouble in the 7th
6.1 IP, 7 hits, 1 BB, 5 K.
cj 2-4, BB
viciedo 1-4
marrero 2-4
shelby pinch runs, steals 2nd base
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 8:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
morel 1-4, BB, picked off
kuhn 0-3
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 8:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
White Sox center fielder Jordan Danks never lived up to expectations at the University of Texas, but after receiving an over-slot $525,000 bonus as a seventh-round pick last June, he’s almost been a revelation. He was initially batting .322/.409/.525 at High-A Winston-Salem, and has since had little trouble adjusting to more advanced pitching at Double-A, posting a .308/.387/.442 line for Birmingham before being sidelined with a wrist injury.
“I came away impressed with him,” said one scout, “he reminded me of Jordan Schafer with a little less power and a little more hitability,” he added, while adding praise for Danks’ overall game. “He plays a very good center field, he works the counts, he does all of the little things; he’s an everyday big leaguer for sure.”
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9159
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The scout was his Dad.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 2, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the scout who ripped on viciedo was probably from the team he chose not to sign with.
by Hatchetm on Jul 2, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or he just wasn't impressed with a fat singles hitter who doesn't take walks and plays shitty defense.
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And is making a transition to a new country, culture, and competition skill level at age 20.
Fixed.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 2, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
two sides of the same coin.
since i’m quoting things and i know no one actually thinks to click the links to get the – what’s the word – context of the snippets, yesterday’s article from goldstein was the “negative” scouting reports on certain players while today’s was the “positive” scouting reports.
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't believe anything anyone sez about anything.
ever.
by Hatchetm on Jul 2, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great. thanks. you can stop now then.
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i don't believe you.
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always good to know the agenda behind the comment.
That’s why it’s great being a fiduciary. Full and fair disclosure.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 2, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak makes the "More Drops of Sunshine" part of this article.
Awwww … isn’t that just soooo cute; just like a rainbow.
Meanwhile, Savior hits over .500 with RISP, single-handedly wins games against hated rivals and fucking resurrects the dead.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 2, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
carradine?
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Jul 2, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm okay with that
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Jul 2, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alexis Arguello.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 2, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nevin griffith promoted to kannapolis
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ros&did=milb&cid=487
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
gregory infante promoted to winston-salem
dexter carter clearly raped buddy bell’s daughter.
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ros&did=milb&cid=580
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you buy jim's theory
that they may be keeping him at a lower level to avoid exposing him to stiffer competition and potentially hurting his trade value?
by Ryno on Jul 2, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know what to think about it.
that would mean, of course, that the white sox think carter sucks enough that he can’t handle higher levels. i don’t see why that would be.
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's possible
but his stuff is going to be obvious to a scout. i think hitters are probably harder to project up levels than pitchers.
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
by colintj on Jul 2, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
game one to kanny
leesman 7 IP, 5 hits, 1 BB, 5 K.
gilmore 2-4
black 1-3, SF
greene 0-4
phegley 0-3, BB
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wasnt that the reason he dropped to us?
Other teams didnt think he would stick at C. Hopefully this doesnt mean the Sox wont see what he can do there.
Flowers – who is apparently the motherfucking boogeyman of the southern league
by omnipotent grab on Jul 3, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sox brass sez he is good catcher
and not to worry. wonder what the story is. INTRIGUE!
by Hatchetm on Jul 3, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the story is the guy hasn't caught a game in a month and a half.
easing him into game shape. the sox do this frequently. i wonder why rehabbing players always play DH for a game or two in charlotte first.
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by larry on Jul 3, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as we dont see DH next to his name in august Ill be one happy camper.
Flowers – who is apparently the motherfucking boogeyman of the southern league
by omnipotent grab on Jul 3, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
allen 1-4, 2B
marquez back to his old self: 5 IP, 10 hits, 1 BB, 1 K, WP. 3 homers and plenty of flyballs.
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
perhaps the power sinker was his career arc...
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jul 2, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the marquez arc of the universe is long
but it bends toward suck.
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
by colintj on Jul 3, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gonzalez 0-3, BB
s. rodriguez 2 IP, 1 hit, 1 BB, 4 K.
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Am I reading this right?
5 wild pitches for the opposing teams starter.
by The Big Hurt on Jul 2, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
welcome to rookie league.
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
game two to kanny
greene 1-4
asselin 5 IP, 3 hits, 0 BB, 6 K.
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 9:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I still would like to see Corley
moved up a level or two . . . that GB % is sick.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jul 3, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
morel 1-4, 2B, BB
kuhn 2-4, S, SB
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 9:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
shelby 0-3, BB, SB
cj 0-3, SF
flowers 1-4, 2B
marrero 0-4
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by larry on Jul 2, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ciolli 2-5, HR
colligan 1-4, BB
collop 3 IP, 1 hit, 2 BB, 3 K, HBP.
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by larry on Jul 3, 2009 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
egbert injured
2.2 IP, 1 hit, 0 BB, 2 K. left game after injuring himself covering first.
nunez has succesful debut 1 IP, 0 hits, 0 BB, 1 K.
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by larry on Jul 3, 2009 9:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
injury was line drive to his pitching hand.
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by larry on Jul 3, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shelby 1-3, 2B, SF
cj 2-4, picked off
flowers 1-4, HR
viciedo 0-4
marrero 1-3 (back in RF and threw out a runner at third)
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by larry on Jul 3, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
kuhn 4-5, 2B, CS
morel 2-5, 2 2B
mollenhauer 2-5, SB
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by larry on Jul 3, 2009 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
daniel wiltz 3 IP, 2 hits, 0 BB, 4 K, HBP for bristol. a late round pick and a reliever but he’s shown good control and an ability to strike out hitters so far.
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by larry on Jul 3, 2009 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
kanny win in 14.
nevin griffith okay: 5 IP, 5 hits, 2 BB, 2 K.
remenowsky excellent: 2 IP, 0 hits, 0 BB, 5 K.
greene 3-6
gilmore 2-6
phegley 2-6, 2B
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by larry on Jul 3, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ciolli 0-5
colligan 3-5, 2 2B, CS
terry doyle ain’t a prospect at all but he was mowing down hitters: 7 IP, 7 hits, 1 BB, 14 K.
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by larry on Jul 4, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
O'Doyle Rules!!!!
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jul 4, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jordan Danks
Back in the lineup tonight playing CF.
by DirtySox on Jul 4, 2009 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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