Gavin Floyd and the White Sox Are Treading Water
by The Cheat on Jun 29, 2009 11:22 PM CDT
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Gavin Floyd breezed through 6 innings Monday, using just 63 pitches and allowing only 3 baserunners, two of which were wiped out on double plays. His domination of the Indians over that span was so complete, so swift, there's almost nothing to write about it. He was good, damn good.
And then with 2 out in the 7th, he got a tad wild. He missed with a 2-2 curveball to Shin-Soo Choo, walked him on the next pitch, gave up a an otherwise innocuous single to bring the go-ahead to the pate, and then made things really interesting by walking the tying run into scoring position to set up what was the game-defining play.
Ryan Garko hit a dribbler that was headed foul down the first base line. Floyd rushed to the ball , scooped it into his glove as it was over the foul line and quickly flipped it to first for the apparent third out. But the home plate umpire immediately ruled it a foul ball.
Paul Konerko and Ozzie Guillen urgently called for him to get help from the other umpires, including one of only two umpires worthy of a tag here at SSS, Phil Cuzzi, who was manning first base. After a conference of a minute or so, Cuzzi saved the Sox -- he owed us one -- overturning the call.
There's not much else to say about Floyd's turnaround outside of the numbers. He's not really doing anything that differently. He's generally found the release point on his back-door breaker to neutralize lefties, and he's seemed to get ahead of far more batters thanks to some improved fastball control. But he's still got essentially the same repertoire, the same approach. It's just that he's finally executing about as well as you can expect him to.
I have no idea what Ozzie was doing in the 9th inning. Matt Thornton, who entered with 2 outs and the tying run at the plate in the 8th, needed just one pitch to send the Sox back up to the plate. And then Chris Perez happened.
Perez was making his first appearance in an Indians uniform and was perhaps a tad nervous, and maybe Victor Martinez completely underestimated Perez' ability to throw a slider anywhere other than the right-handed batter's box. It was clear there was no intent to his back-to-back hit batters, both of which were up and in, the first knocking Alexei Ramirez silly, as he ducked into a slider that didn't slide and took one in the helmet just above the ear hole. (Ramirez is supposedly fine and expects to play tomorrow.) Although Perez didn't hit another batter after his first two meat-seekers, he stuck around long enough to throw another wild pitch and allow 4 runs to cross home on just 2 hits.
So when the Sox headed to the bottom of the ninth up 6 runs, and with plenty of time to warm up a pitcher thanks to Perez' wildness and an Indians pitching change, you would have expected Ozzie to call on one of his back-of-the-bullpen arms, maybe Poreda or Carrasco. But since Thornton had thrown only one pitch and had the opportunity to earn the cheap 4-out save with a 6-run cushion, Thornton was a completely defensible option. Sure enough, Ozzie ran Thornton back out there in the ninth, but inexplicably pulled him one out short of the save. Thornton had allowed a HR and a single, but still had a 5-run lead and needed just one more out.
So who does Ozzie turn to needing only 1 out in a 5 run game? Octavio Dotel, of course. And when Dotel gave up a HR to the first batter he faced to pull the Indians within 3, he got Bobby Jenks up in the bullpen. So for those keeping track, that's all three of the high leverage non-Linebrink arms used (in one form or another) in a game in which they had a 6-run lead headed to the bottom of the 9th. That's not a good way to preserve your high leverage arms.
On the savior
Gordon Beckham had himself a game. He was the only Sox batter to reach base between the 3rd and 8th innings, and would have been the centerpiece of this entry if not for the wild 9th inning. In addition to a 3-3, 2 RBI, BB day at the plate and his first career stolen base, Beckham added a couple of fine defensive plays; one a hard charging throw across his body on a bunt that he fielded about 25 feet from home and the other a charging (see a pattern here?) throw to second after a make-your-own-hop type play just inside the cutout of the grass at third. The latter was one of the first times Beckham has looked like a natural third baseman. Earlier this year he would have sat back on that ball and would have only had the opportunity for the play at first.
The kid had a good day, even if he does slide into second base like a lawn dart.
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Something stood out in the ESPN box score
Ground Balls-Fly Balls: G Floyd 16-1;
Interesting. I’ve noticed his GB/FB ratio before this game started was already well above career average. His HR given up this year is abnormally low. HRs used to be the bane of Floyd’s existence. When right, Floyd’s fastball does have a bit of sink to it, and the slider to RH and change to LH are both good at inducing early swings and ground balls. Although after watching most of Floyd’s starts this year, I still feel like he hangs a lot of pitches up. Maybe they are just out of the zone
I ignored because it's completely anomalous to the rest of his starts this year (and in his career)
The HR thing hit me when I posted the stats though
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detroit is a fake juggernaut
twinks still treading water, sox still on a track toward seven over five hundred, royals look dangerous here, cleveland is, well, cleveland.
my tangential intimidation is holding with stout insularity.
thanks for the recap cheat.
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM CDT reply actions
JHC that looks like my cholesterol tests
I’m eating eggs and bacon now with buttered toast. Damn it, I can’t enjoy it now…
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 30, 2009 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions
He came in to pitch against Grady Sizemore when it was 2-0 sox in the 8th
There was a runner on base and Sizemore represented the tying run at the plate. I am glad that we didnt see Gobble or Poreda in that situation. It could have gotten ugly.
poreda would have crushed sizemore.
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Cheat, you must be getting excited,
because this was one of your finest recaps in recent memory. “Meat-seeking” and “slides into 2nd base like a lawn dart” are national media-worthy. And you know I am not prone ot hyperbole. It was also nice to see you engaged in the gamethread last night.
Welcome back.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
that's not the cheat. that's his replacement. you may call him:
मिथ्या के
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It was a joke. As was yours.
And, no, I don’t.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
just for the sake of conversation...
what would you need in return for a dye to SF trade?
and still playing bad defense
if this weekend is any gauge. and it is.
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who cares about his defense
when that guy gets hot, he can carry a team
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
Was the lead Web Gem last night on a throw from short-center
to get a guy at first. Looked like the old Juanny at 2B before Che.
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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Web Gem last night on ESPN
he looked like Ozzie Smith playing second base
…that is….he sprinted to a ball hit 5 ft to his left and threw a strike to 1st.
He made it look real tough, though.
" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST
to his RIGHT, his RIGHT ! DUmbass
" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST
Did you even notice the post immediately above yours?
And was I writing in a non-English script?
;)
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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
you need to be clearer and more demonstrative
otherwise Hoytsstash doesn’t pay attention to SHIT
Use colors and pictures and sounds if possible……I guess this morning me like-um Caveman…..
" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST
portly beast
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Sandoval!
Like the Timberwolves drafting 3 point guards, I want to stockpile catchers.
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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
har har
i don’t see much in their minors. i’d want at least an A-minus type prospect.
they have a couple
but don’t know if they would deal them. they are their top guys. after that the depth falls way off.
Just checked out their system and Bumgarner and Posey look interesting. Doubt they would give up either.
Most likely we hold onto Dye anyways unless the white flag goes up end of July.
That jagbag Rubio is threatening to stay overseas
If I’m MN, I let him rot and go with Flynn until he realizes he has to play for MN at some point.
Formerly Crede's Crew
What get isn't always what you need
The one of the SF papers speculated that Dye could be had for junk if SF picks up the remainder of the contract. Best case scenario? The Sox get someone like Lewis back for him. Trading Dye isn’t worth it unless the goal is to save money.
by hitlesswonder on Jun 30, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that’s a bad assumption about us being concerned about the money. Someone didn’t do their homework. While a lot of teams are struggling financially, the White Sox have set themselves up pretty well. We are not in a position where we need to just get rid of players.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Well enough for JR to buy a new toy on the cheap (Coyotes).
Never, never, never say it isn’t about money.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
fred lewis?
now granted, i have not looked at any defensive statistics, but when i’ve seen him play left field he has looked unbelievably awful.
brian anderson would've caught that...
A DB.
I prefer Jerry Lewis. HEY, LADY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
tim alderson!
the question was “what would you need in return for a dye to SF trade?”
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
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cowley and reporting
i’m pretty sure that the headline (posted last night i think) was originally something along the lines of this, “ozzie says cubs treat sox like second class citizens.”
now it’s: "white sox still swinging at cubs: ozzie guillen brings up 2nd-class stigma, swipes at larry rothschild
guillen brings up 2nd-class stigma, swipes at rothschild "
if you read the article, nowhere does ozzie bring it up, it appears as answered a question by a reporter (probably by cowley) if he thought the cubs treat the sox like second class citizens.
this is a classic example of cowley stirring up more shit (to the rothschild incident) when it’s not valid.
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 9:08 AM CDT reply actions
I think he's been shut out.
He used to have a decent source but its gone. Now he just makes up stuff.
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
he got beat up by a member of will. i. am's entourage?
or just OrCa’s?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 30, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
this is beyond even having a decent source
this could have easily taken place at the post or pre game press conference, there’s just no context where this took place, it’s pretty sloppy all around..
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Did Rothschild bang Cowley's wife too??
That woman gets around!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 30, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
he made a big deal about it on WSCR yesterday.
late in the 4:00 hour if you want to check out the podcast.
whose 'he'
guillen or cowley
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
cowley.
he was on with boers and bernstein. i thought it was just after 5pm.
brian anderson would've caught that...
Ozzie has heart:
“No, because they’ve got to show me better,” Guillen said. “Every time I feel that way, my heart’s been broken, big-time. … I think we’re [close] to getting there, but I don’t want to think about that yet, because I don’t want to have a broken heart.”
sheesh, whatever happened to paws up
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vf3ZE7CLg0
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jun 30, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Tiny tidbit
I know a lot has been made of SOS and some of the tougher games moving forward. All true. But I’d like to point out the Sox real problem up to this point has been their play vs subpar team. Their record is 24-22 against teams .500 or better.
They play 6 games vs the East in July. Four vs TB at home and 2 against the Yankees at home at the end of the month. I’ll say it again. This team isn’t going anywhere before the trade deadline. They are not falling out of it by then. Hell they don’t even play Boston until the end of August.
In theory when they do enter the harder part of the schedule they should be a better team. Meaning they have Q or some addition to the squad.
So what you obviously have now is quite a few Central games for the next month or so. Games this team traditional do well in and with the starting pitching, CAN do well in. LOL I think they may even have a decent amount of speed to compete in that disaster of a ballpark up north.
With Minny’s schedule, they are the real risk. They have had lots of games against the East already. They and the Sox will be passing the Tigers.
But what do I know?
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
Will we be treated to your June recap?
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jun 30, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
yes
in the late morning tomorrow.
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
Sexcellent, look fwd to it
Formerly Crede's Crew
I think you need to speak w/ Ch(ina)eat about a SSS gig.
Paying! Hire larry’s agent.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Good. It better be there, Tdogg.
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jun 30, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking .600+ against the division is needed to offset .450 or so against the East.
Though the .450 may be a tad high. So I’ll raise the division to .640!
Division won.
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1. A catch phrase commonly used by White Sox announcer Ken Harrelson.
2. Standard parlance of an incompetent hillbilly; staple of stylized speech patterns associated with South Carolinian trailer communities; used to "describe" an event (or even a sequence of events) without uttering more than 8 or 9 syllables; in essence, a substitute for original thought.
Yeah if they play that bad vs the East
That sounds about right. I’m just not sure that happens yet. The 6 games vs the East at home will be interesting. They did beat a very good team (Dodgers) so I’m not expecting them to be run over. The best news may be that all their pitchers the team have seen before!
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
hey, the team is playing well, I'm all rose glasses
Beckham is going to bat 300/380/450 the rest of the way. Getz is going to solidy his lock on 2B. Fields is going to be a George Bell type bat off the bench. The starters are going to only get better. The bullpen will be solidified.
Q will come back healthy after the break. LETS DO THIS!
Win home-games
" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST
Seeing a solid (at least six inning) start...
from Richard this evening will go a long way to making me feel better about this team. Heck, I’m not even looking for a win (vs Lee), but to see Richard pitch like he did just a few short weeks ago sure would be encouraging.
I get the feeling some sort of an SP will be acquired if we keep winning...
not necessarily Ace quality, but someone who is a step up from Richard.
Formerly Crede's Crew
Not even in the realm of possibility, IMO.
Unless it’s another of the scrap heap (Garcia like) variety.
Time to show Walker and Dotel the door.
I wonder if Dan Haren will be gone.
And when does TOR spit the payroll bit?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Dan Haren good.....Dan Haren beddy goooo.....
" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST
WU's boy Penny.
lol. No I wouldn’t be surprised either. It one of the 2 ways I’d go.
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
Funny man, you wouldn't swap Fatolo for Penny, straight up, right now?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course
But the point is the Sox have maintained at a fraction of the cost.
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
Maintained what? .500?
Since Fatolo isn’t even pitching now…
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd think a solid outing from Contreras tomorrow is as, or more, important.
Though I don’t really care which is more ‘solid’ as long as we win one of them.
2/3=happy.
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Function: noun
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2. Standard parlance of an incompetent hillbilly; staple of stylized speech patterns associated with South Carolinian trailer communities; used to "describe" an event (or even a sequence of events) without uttering more than 8 or 9 syllables; in essence, a substitute for original thought.
I agree with you as far as 2/3, but this cleve team is down and out
Lee or no lee, I think we should get 3 here, but I’ll take 2/3
Formerly Crede's Crew
May we getz to the bullpenz plz?
Pronunciation: ho'kiz'um
Function: noun
1. A catch phrase commonly used by White Sox announcer Ken Harrelson.
2. Standard parlance of an incompetent hillbilly; staple of stylized speech patterns associated with South Carolinian trailer communities; used to "describe" an event (or even a sequence of events) without uttering more than 8 or 9 syllables; in essence, a substitute for original thought.
marlon byrd has victor conte as a consultant?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4287676
this shit sucks.
Old news.
So last week.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
"The Chris Perez Show" was worth the price of admission
Cleveland has just got to be loving that trade so far. His ERA with The Tribe is 54. How much alcohol do you suppose he consumed after that stinker of a debut?
Was anyone else as moved as much as I was when Dr. Herm was cradling Alexei? Just like a new mother cradling her infant child…truly, I could barely control my tears…especially since Alexei could have been brain damaged and out for the season.
And…my bad if someone has already reported this…but apparently (per Chicago sports radio) the Giants are scouting JD. Should we be concerned?
"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella
They can scout all they want. As it's been discussed, there'd unlikely be any real return for him
We’re better off playing this thing out with him on the team, at the current rate.
Formerly Crede's Crew
I love ya, 'gater,
but fer Chrissakes at least read the thread before posting questions referring to items discussed in the same thread. SF/Dye discussed within the first 15 posts in this thread.
Kids.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
PS Michael and Farrah died.
;)
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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Forget Michael and Farrah
The real bummer is that Sky Saxon died.
"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella
I have the attention span of a flea...so it is rare that I read all the previous posts
It depends on whether or not I’ve had my meds yet.
"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella
Props to vince for screen-shotting this one...a gem indeed.
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jun 30, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Or more angelic maybe?
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jun 30, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
THIS is art.
When you’re a Getz you’re a Getz all the way, from your first steal of home to your last heads-up play!
(I wanted to bang Natalie Wood until I was 40. Yes, even after she was dead. One of the most beautiful actresses evah.)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Yes, she is GORGEOUS.
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jun 30, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Q. Lots of stretching.
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jun 30, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Did anyone check on Herm and Alexei's whereabouts after the game yesterday?
I think there may have been a love connection.
"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella
i'm sure cleveland was utterly shocked that chris perez has control problems with his breaking ball.
the cardinals clearly did an excellent job of hiding such information from the whole wide world.
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they were also discussing
on the radio, the possibility of trading for omar vizquel.
that’s what i get for listening.
brian anderson would've caught that...
Yankees trade for Hinske...
The Yankees acquired veteran utilityman Eric Hinske on Tuesday from the Pirates in exchange for two Minor Leaguers, right-hander Casey Erickson and outfielder Eric Fryer.
Hinske, a 31-year-old left-handed hitter who was part of Boston’s 2007 World Series champions, batted .255 in 54 games with the Pirates. He had one home run and had driven in 11 runs.
The Yankees also received cash considerations along with Hinske, whose 2009 contract is for $1.5 million.
Pronunciation: ho'kiz'um
Function: noun
1. A catch phrase commonly used by White Sox announcer Ken Harrelson.
2. Standard parlance of an incompetent hillbilly; staple of stylized speech patterns associated with South Carolinian trailer communities; used to "describe" an event (or even a sequence of events) without uttering more than 8 or 9 syllables; in essence, a substitute for original thought.
And part of Tampa's WS run last year.
He is a talisman.
Good to see the Bucco’s starting their annual salary dump early.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
ian snell is available.
article on him at fangraphs here.
any takers?
brian anderson would've caught that...
Looks like a Coop special,
though a bit pricey.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I've always liked Snell's stuff
though he has Vazquez-itis to the extreme and I just don’t know if Coop can fix that.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 30, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
he just pitched here in Indy yesterday
Walked the first batter on 4 balls, then struck out the next 13 in a row – I shit you not.
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
We don't want him.
Lead-off walks kill.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Is it a salary dump if the guy only makes 1.5 million with some of that already paid, and they gave cash considerations?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you seen Pittsburgh lately?
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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
so when the sox play the yankees
are they going to put the shift on for him again?
brian anderson would've caught that...
The 2003 steroid list may have leaked
Seems like bull. I would think there’d be more AAAAish players trying to hold on to a roster spot.
member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."
Seems plausible to me. Anyone surprise you? Even Contreras doesn't surprise me.
Pronunciation: ho'kiz'um
Function: noun
1. A catch phrase commonly used by White Sox announcer Ken Harrelson.
2. Standard parlance of an incompetent hillbilly; staple of stylized speech patterns associated with South Carolinian trailer communities; used to "describe" an event (or even a sequence of events) without uttering more than 8 or 9 syllables; in essence, a substitute for original thought.
I don't buy it
every one of those guys was an established player or star. Highly unlikely there’s not a pablo ozuna type on that list.
You a big Terry Adams
fan? Dan Smith? Brent Abernathy? Valerio De Los Santos?
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
this is RUMORED
remembered those rumored lists that were posted not to long before the Mitchell report finally made the press? i’ll believe it when it see it in press.
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope
not enough “regular” players on it. Just not random at all.
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
its like someone looked at rosters and said,
“hmm who do I think might be guilty” and if their not from this country, esp them.
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
Yeah, of course, it's a racist list.
Of course. Prior and Wood are from Utopia.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
they are?????
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
It's a world where nothing bad ever happens,
and the Cubs win the World Series.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Ohhhh that world.
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
the blacks, the latins
no asians though, they are the model minority
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
theyre too shifty to get caught!
remember that pearl harbor movie?
member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."
sneaky mothers they are
but i thought latins were hard workers, i’m very disappointed
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
you don't walk off the island
you shoot up off it
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Asians are too smart to do steroids.
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
ichiro must be the son of an engineer and doctor
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
ichiro was created by an engineer and doctor
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
that's some twins / rocky iv shit going on there
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
there really is not one player that would thoroughly shock me
disappointed, yes, surprised? It really isn’t proven to be valid, so there’s no reason to analyze it other than the fact that it’s real.
Also, take a look at a lot of those guys listed, they were regulars and all-stars who fell off around that time.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 30, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
tdogg, you need to do a better job of characterizing "regular"
you mean psuedo-grindy?
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Guys who are not constipated.
Pronunciation: ho'kiz'um
Function: noun
1. A catch phrase commonly used by White Sox announcer Ken Harrelson.
2. Standard parlance of an incompetent hillbilly; staple of stylized speech patterns associated with South Carolinian trailer communities; used to "describe" an event (or even a sequence of events) without uttering more than 8 or 9 syllables; in essence, a substitute for original thought.
Awesome, pretty much every big (or well-known) name on each team? With no average guys out there?
Give me a break.
71.Moises Alou
72.Sammy Sosa
73.Corey Patterson
74.Carlos Zambrano
75.Mark Prior
76.Kerry Wood
77.Matt Clement
78.Antonio Alfonseca
79.Juan Cruz
80.Aramis Ramirez
So, the best players on the 2003 Cubs team were all using…..yet none of their average guys (like say Alex Gonzalez) touched the stuff?
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 30, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'd put Corey Patterson, Alfonseca, and Juan Cruz right up there
with the “best”.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
A list ordered by team? Plenty of those guys are probably guilty
But this list was made up by a 4th grader.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 30, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
It's the government.
Tell me something I don’t know.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
jerry hairston is on there
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 30, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
wow. shocker. a guy listed in the mitchell report. who would have thought to add him.
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i was replying to OM saying no regular cubs players from 03 were on that list
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 30, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
then your post still does not make sense.
White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry
oh i see
he played for them in 05 06
what can i say
you’re da man
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 30, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I would agree.
Unless they were passing out PED’s like party favors at the “Famous Minority Ballplayers” club.
Contreras, Colon, Garcia and Maggs
quite a few cubs players too.
If this is true, its good to let all the names out at once.
Lets get over with it quicky now.
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
reply fail
After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae
by blackoutsox on Jun 30, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
all this optimism over the sox, moves they need to make or hold, etc, etc
what about the tiggers and the twins? what do these mothers have to do stay in the race and foil tdogg’s blind optimism?
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions
there's nothing they can/will do. and the Dogg's optimism is not blind; well-reasoned. Lap the field 2nd half.
Pronunciation: ho'kiz'um
Function: noun
1. A catch phrase commonly used by White Sox announcer Ken Harrelson.
2. Standard parlance of an incompetent hillbilly; staple of stylized speech patterns associated with South Carolinian trailer communities; used to "describe" an event (or even a sequence of events) without uttering more than 8 or 9 syllables; in essence, a substitute for original thought.
i'm really impressed by your dedication to that stance
i think you’ve held it for a couple months now. been repeated so much i just might start agreeing
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 30, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember the 1st half suckitude of '83 too well. Made the 2nd half that much sweeter.
Pronunciation: ho'kiz'um
Function: noun
1. A catch phrase commonly used by White Sox announcer Ken Harrelson.
2. Standard parlance of an incompetent hillbilly; staple of stylized speech patterns associated with South Carolinian trailer communities; used to "describe" an event (or even a sequence of events) without uttering more than 8 or 9 syllables; in essence, a substitute for original thought.
And his brother, Vance
"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella
Nephew Keith.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
John Law (a.k.a. Joe Friday)
"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella
2nd half results under Guillen
2004 40-41
2005 44-37
2006 37-44
2007 36-45
2008 45-38
2009 ?
if 4 out of 5 starters remain effective, gordo and getz continue to progress, q comes back and puts up a 0.820 ops, AND barring injury…i’m thinking 43 wins in the second half
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Might be enuff
"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella
i'm thinking 85
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm thinking 85
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you thinking 85?
"I put up some beautiful number." – Sammy Sosa
"I wouldn't know a steroid from a reefer." - Lou Piniella
i'm thinking 85
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I didnt realize it was "blind"
To answer your question
Detroit needs to add a starting arm.
Minn is in a better position but could probably use a setup man.
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
i'm just teasing tdogg, i don't it's blind either...
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
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