White Sox Not Looking For Just Any Starter
by The Cheat on Jun 3, 2009 1:31 PM CDT
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PrintSo I'm reading Jon Heyman's latest piece on likely trade targets for contending teams, when I realize that the media is missing Kenny Williams' main objective yet again. Here's what he had to say.
White Sox: Their attempted trade for Jake Peavy made it clear that they're looking for an ace to swing the balance of power in a wide-open AL Central, which they've won two of the past four seasons. They recently scouted Roy Oswalt, but GM Ken Williams said publicly that they aren't in discussions regarding the Astros' ace. And one person familiar with their thinking explained that the White Sox weren't blown away by what they've seen from Oswalt recently. (That point may be moot since several reports suggest that Oswalt, who has a no-trade clause, wouldn't go to the South Side, anyway. While Oswalt's agent is in Chicago, the right-hander seems to prefer his hunting.) The guess is that the Indians wouldn't trade the White Sox Cliff Lee, either, narrowing the field further.
But here's the thing: The White Sox are not shopping for a half-season rental. Their rotation could be improved, no doubt. But Williams desire is not to mortgage the farm* for a run at a second straight AL Central crown. Williams is looking to make the '10, '11, & '12 clubs that will feature a host of young offensive talent better by acquiring another front-of-the-rotation under-contract arm which the Sox don't figure to produce from their farm in that time frame.
So yeah, the Sox have been looking for pitching, and will continue to do so as long as Williams is at the helm, but if the Sox are serious about getting better in the short term, looking at the rotation probably isn't the most efficient way to go.
*Larry relays Rick Hahn's assertion that mortgaging the farm might not be necessary as it once was to acquire certain players with extended contracts.
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Hmm. On the other hand, Lee, assuming you want him, would be good for a year and a half..
At a cost of $9M next year. I suppose KW could negotiate an extension on top of that too since he’s thinking longer term (as you say).
I’d rather have him than Peavish or Oozwald or most NLers.
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
would cleveland trade in the division to help us out though?
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
no.
and certainly not if lee would be on the white sox next year when cleveland probably will think they’re contenders again.
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Yeah.
That’s not the part I agreed with Chiburb about. Cleveland ain’t dealin’ Lee, and certainly not to us. But I like the idea of Kenny looking for that pitcher…..and I just looked up Haren…..45 thro 2012…..he’s doable and worth chasing for the right price.
Well, Chiburb, we are in agreement.
One more name to throw out there……I wonder what Dan Haren’s contract looks like (I’m too lazy to look it up). The Dbacks might think along the lines of listening to offers if they continue to struggle.
09:$7.5M, 10:$8.25M, 11:$12.75M, 12:$12.75M, 13:$15.5M club option ($3.5M buyout)
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
There's our guy
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 3, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting point with Haren. Hoytsstash, who currently resides in Phoenix, can't envision how
Haren can keep a straight face when talking to the DBacks GM and new manager. He’s been screwed out of wins and the organization is being run by a couple of clowns, both on and off the field.
But then again, he has a nice paycheck…….
" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST
he's from california.
sounds like a terrible idea to me. /s/ joe cowley.
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I want to give Jack Egbert a shot
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
C & C
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
i'd perhaps agree about the contreras C, but he's not in the rotation.
i don’t think it’s very likely egbert is better than the colon C.
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is jose pitching the day game or night cap on monday?
I didn’t pay nine of my hard earned dollars to see a detroit batting practice. Couldn’t we have brought him back against someone like cincy or milwaukee. It’s not like he’s throwing shutouts at AAA.
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by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jun 3, 2009 2:19 PM CDT reply actions
well not like he's getting killed down there either.
still I get your point.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
castro tonight
Podsednik lf
Ramirez ss
Dye rf
Thome dh
Konerko 1b
Fields 3b
Anderson cf
Castro c
Nix 2b
Richard p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
giggles
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
What, wait for a Dante post?
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
i'm due for a screwup every now and again
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
i would rather not have fields in the six hole
i’m just sayin
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
Castro will wear uniform No. 27
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
i was hoping for 59
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 3, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see what you did there.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Jun 3, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
not gonna lie
i had to look it up
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Me too.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Jun 3, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
woosh
wtf are you guys talkin’ ’bout?
best guess: that was Fidel’s #.
I deleted it because of the misspselling. -the Cheat
Year of the revolucion.
And I didn’t have to look it up.
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
because you were alive for it
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jun 3, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
hehe!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
alive? dude was fleeing the copacabana for the havana airport when guevara's men hit the coast
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
wilson
"It’s hard for me because I have to play (Betemit)," Guillen said. "Every time we play him, he makes an error. In the meanwhile, it’s not easy because I was in that situation when I was playing (late in his career), where you go out there every five-to-six days and perform.
"I know it’s not easy. But maybe it’s my fault. I try to play him as much as I can, but I need better defense from him."
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
jesus, didier drogba, fergy, bill clinton and a rolls royce
Banned - by The Cheat on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 PM CDT
Believe it was
Yunel Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez, Morton or Reyes, and Boyer or Locke
You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?
froma dec. 18th article
Krasovic says the Padres and Braves were discussing a 4-for-1 Jake Peavy deal in November. Yunel Escobar and Gorkys Hernadez were agreed upon. The conflict came as the Padres wanted Charlie Morton over Jo-Jo Reyes as well as Jeff Locke or Tyler Flowers over Blaine Boyer.
Banned - by The Cheat on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 PM CDT
Pretty sure he was untouchable
You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?
Speaking of which...
Whatever happened to that ML-ready catcher they were reluctant to trade a year or so ago? Is he starting for someone?
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
Caught 40 games, 140 or so AB. Not much of a platoon?
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
Combined, they've produced 0.6 WAR according to Fangraphs
AJ is listed as 0.9 WAR, with Corky at -0.1
Looking at the team aggregate is interesting, as the Sox rank last in MLB at 1.6 WAR (Tampa Bay leads the league at 13.2). It does not appear that pitching is included in the analysis, so I imagine the Sox actually rank more near the middle of the pack overall.
On a individual basis, listed here, our main culprits are Fields, Betemit, Lillibridge, and Getz. All I can say is that I hope Getz improves and below replacement suck at 2B, 3B and CF is really holding the team back.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
ah. Saltalamacchia! Thx.
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
hawk would call him the saltmeister if we had him...
and compare his long name to yaz something something right stoney?
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
Stone Pony!
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
Haren has come up a few times now
came up with two other names:
Wandy Rodriguez
Matt Cain
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i would (and im sure most of you would too) prefer dan haren
Banned - by The Cheat on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 PM CDT
dan haren on this team would be pretty badass
i’m just saying
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
i don't know what kind of financial straits the Dbacks are in
but i wouldn’t be inclined to fuck with that nucleus, all else equal
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Though I should reiterate
I don’t think a trade for a starter is likely
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He's a flyball pitcher
so he’d be hurt by the move… Coop would have to work on his control too
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Let's just ask Timmy to come over and play instead!
I think it's funny to picture them as completely different characters. One is Big and one is Hairy. But neither are both.
by homesickalien on Jun 3, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Not that one...but we're much more likely to get him on the mound than Lincecum.
I think it's funny to picture them as completely different characters. One is Big and one is Hairy. But neither are both.
by homesickalien on Jun 3, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah he's got a great contract
i haven’t seen him pitch though. he’d be more like solving the back end of the rotation. i’d really like sanchez, since the Giants can’t seem to get him to stop walking folks.
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He's frustrating
a good pitcher, but frustrating… kinda like Javy, though Cain gets himself into trouble with the BB
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has Haren been mentioned anywhere
or is this just all speculation?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
Has NOT been mentioned, therefore a possibility...
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
you mentioned it at 2:01 pm.
thus, it’s no longer a possibility. nice job, asshat.
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When I said "most NLers"?
You got me.
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
the only place ive seen him mentioned was in these comment threads
Banned - by The Cheat on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 PM CDT
just us goofing around
but supposedly other folks read us, so maybe we can start something here.
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As a dream I would love to see either Johnson from the Marlins or Duke from the Pirates in a Sox uniform.
I think they are both FA after this season. Go get em KW.
neither of them are free agents after this season
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/2010-mlb-free-a.html
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Johnson is under Marlins
control through 2011 . . . ways to go there. Duke might be as well, dont have access at work to look that one up.
You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?
Johnson I like except for the fact that he has like 340 innings pitched in 5 seasons in the majors
R.I.P. Nick Adenhart
Tommy John
sort of has its side effects.
You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?
Duke just hit his first year of potential arbitration this past off-season
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Like Cheat said
probably not going to trade for a SP so why waste time speculating?
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 3, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions
reply fial
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 3, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
fail fail.
WordUpThome: BUT THE "FUN FACTS" ON THE BACKS OF YOUR BASED BALL CARDS SAY THAT YOU ARE A RELEVANCE ENTHUSIAST
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jun 3, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
No spelling it fial is actually intentional here.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Jun 3, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
But he still cant spell for shit.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Jun 3, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
me and you,
spelling bee, you name the spot… I will dominate you!
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 3, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
don't get it twisted
we can have an impartial judge fire off words from the dictionary. Of course, grab wouldn’t be down for this.
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 4, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
needs more stretching.
Carlos Quentin was walking gingerly in the clubhouse but said he would expand on his status later.
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he spoke?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 3, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Barolo Colon was seen walking gingerly in the clubhouse but said he would expand later
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HA!
He must have had his “eatin” sweatpants on.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 3, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
With a Colin wig on?
Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...
Padilla would be perfect
Sign him for nothing and bring him in to hit people. At least he would be doing more than Jimmy Gobble.
How is this possible with a guy who weighs 240 lbs?
Dayan Viciedo last 9 games – 16 / 39 with 1 XBH, a double.
"How could he lose it in the sun? He's from Mexico."
Harry Caray on Jorge Orta dropping a high pop fly on a bright, sunny day in Comiskey Park.
Empasis on 1 XBH.
"How could he lose it in the sun? He's from Mexico."
Harry Caray on Jorge Orta dropping a high pop fly on a bright, sunny day in Comiskey Park.
Relax, hes just barely coming around.
I bet the XBH will be coming in bunches next year.
It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
by omnipotent grab on Jun 3, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm relaxed.
Just seems statistically impossible with a guy that big, .410 BA in 39 ABs w/ 1 XBH.
"How could he lose it in the sun? He's from Mexico."
Harry Caray on Jorge Orta dropping a high pop fly on a bright, sunny day in Comiskey Park.
To say
Vasquez shouldn’t have been traded. Even though we got good prospects in the trade, Vasquez could have benifited us this season
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