White Sox Not Looking For Just Any Starter

by The Cheat on Jun 3, 2009 1:31 PM CDT in Rumors Comment 104 comments

So I'm reading Jon Heyman's latest piece on likely trade targets for contending teams, when I realize that the media is missing Kenny Williams' main objective yet again. Here's what he had to say.

White Sox: Their attempted trade for Jake Peavy made it clear that they're looking for an ace to swing the balance of power in a wide-open AL Central, which they've won two of the past four seasons. They recently scouted Roy Oswalt, but GM Ken Williams said publicly that they aren't in discussions regarding the Astros' ace. And one person familiar with their thinking explained that the White Sox weren't blown away by what they've seen from Oswalt recently. (That point may be moot since several reports suggest that Oswalt, who has a no-trade clause, wouldn't go to the South Side, anyway. While Oswalt's agent is in Chicago, the right-hander seems to prefer his hunting.) The guess is that the Indians wouldn't trade the White Sox Cliff Lee, either, narrowing the field further.

But here's the thing: The White Sox are not shopping for a half-season rental. Their rotation could be improved, no doubt. But Williams desire is not to mortgage the farm* for a run at a second straight AL Central crown. Williams is looking to make the '10, '11, & '12 clubs that will feature a host of young offensive talent better by acquiring another front-of-the-rotation under-contract arm which the Sox don't figure to produce from their farm in that time frame.

So yeah, the Sox have been looking for pitching, and will continue to do so as long as Williams is at the helm, but if the Sox are serious about getting better in the short term, looking at the rotation probably isn't the most efficient way to go.

*Larry relays Rick Hahn's assertion that mortgaging the farm might not be necessary as it once was to acquire certain players with extended contracts.

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Hmm. On the other hand, Lee, assuming you want him, would be good for a year and a half..

At a cost of $9M next year. I suppose KW could negotiate an extension on top of that too since he’s thinking longer term (as you say).

I’d rather have him than Peavish or Oozwald or most NLers.

Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...

by Chiburb on Jun 3, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

would cleveland trade in the division to help us out though?

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jun 3, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no.

and certainly not if lee would be on the white sox next year when cleveland probably will think they’re contenders again.

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by larry on Jun 3, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah.

That’s not the part I agreed with Chiburb about. Cleveland ain’t dealin’ Lee, and certainly not to us. But I like the idea of Kenny looking for that pitcher…..and I just looked up Haren…..45 thro 2012…..he’s doable and worth chasing for the right price.

by dantesox on Jun 3, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, Chiburb, we are in agreement.

One more name to throw out there……I wonder what Dan Haren’s contract looks like (I’m too lazy to look it up). The Dbacks might think along the lines of listening to offers if they continue to struggle.

by dantesox on Jun 3, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

09:$7.5M, 10:$8.25M, 11:$12.75M, 12:$12.75M, 13:$15.5M club option ($3.5M buyout)

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's our guy

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 3, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting point with Haren. Hoytsstash, who currently resides in Phoenix, can't envision how

Haren can keep a straight face when talking to the DBacks GM and new manager. He’s been screwed out of wins and the organization is being run by a couple of clowns, both on and off the field.
But then again, he has a nice paycheck…….

" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST

by Hoytsstash on Jun 3, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's from california.

sounds like a terrible idea to me. /s/ joe cowley.

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by larry on Jun 3, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I want to give Jack Egbert a shot

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

over whom?

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by larry on Jun 3, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sandra bullock

Banned - by The Cheat on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 PM CDT

by BoeJouma on Jun 3, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

C & C

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'd perhaps agree about the contreras C, but he's not in the rotation.

i don’t think it’s very likely egbert is better than the colon C.

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by larry on Jun 3, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

is jose pitching the day game or night cap on monday?

I didn’t pay nine of my hard earned dollars to see a detroit batting practice. Couldn’t we have brought him back against someone like cincy or milwaukee. It’s not like he’s throwing shutouts at AAA.

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by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jun 3, 2009 2:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

well not like he's getting killed down there either.

still I get your point.

"I'm just here to provide street cred"

by Tdogg on Jun 3, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

castro tonight

Podsednik lf
Ramirez ss
Dye rf
Thome dh
Konerko 1b
Fields 3b
Anderson cf
Castro c
Nix 2b
Richard p

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2009 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

giggles

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jun 3, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thats not the appropriate time!

I deleted it because of the misspselling. -the Cheat

by e-gus on Jun 3, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What, wait for a Dante post?

Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...

by Chiburb on Jun 3, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm due for a screwup every now and again

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jun 3, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i would rather not have fields in the six hole

i’m just sayin

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jun 3, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Castro will wear uniform No. 27

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by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i was hoping for 59

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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 3, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

I see what you did there.

It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.

by omnipotent grab on Jun 3, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not gonna lie

i had to look it up

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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 3, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Me too.

It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.

by omnipotent grab on Jun 3, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

woosh

wtf are you guys talkin’ ’bout?

best guess: that was Fidel’s #.

I deleted it because of the misspselling. -the Cheat

by e-gus on Jun 3, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Year of the revolucion.

And I didn’t have to look it up.

Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...

by Chiburb on Jun 3, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

because you were alive for it

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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 3, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

hehe!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

alive? dude was fleeing the copacabana for the havana airport when guevara's men hit the coast

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jun 3, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wilson

"It’s hard for me because I have to play (Betemit)," Guillen said. "Every time we play him, he makes an error. In the meanwhile, it’s not easy because I was in that situation when I was playing (late in his career), where you go out there every five-to-six days and perform.

"I know it’s not easy. But maybe it’s my fault. I try to play him as much as I can, but I need better defense from him."

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2009 2:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

not good

the ozzie plan for betemit sounds like moar betemit.

I deleted it because of the misspselling. -the Cheat

by e-gus on Jun 3, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what was the package that the Braves were going to send for Peavy?

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Jun 3, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

jesus, didier drogba, fergy, bill clinton and a rolls royce

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by BoeJouma on Jun 3, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Believe it was

Yunel Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez, Morton or Reyes, and Boyer or Locke

You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

by jc2313 on Jun 3, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wasn't Heyward in there somewhere

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by The Cheat on Jun 3, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

froma dec. 18th article

Krasovic says the Padres and Braves were discussing a 4-for-1 Jake Peavy deal in November. Yunel Escobar and Gorkys Hernadez were agreed upon. The conflict came as the Padres wanted Charlie Morton over Jo-Jo Reyes as well as Jeff Locke or Tyler Flowers over Blaine Boyer.

link

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by BoeJouma on Jun 3, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pretty sure he was untouchable

You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

by jc2313 on Jun 3, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of which...

Whatever happened to that ML-ready catcher they were reluctant to trade a year or so ago? Is he starting for someone?

Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...

by Chiburb on Jun 3, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Texas

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by The Cheat on Jun 3, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

isnt he in a platoon of suck with Teagarden?

I deleted it because of the misspselling. -the Cheat

by e-gus on Jun 3, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Caught 40 games, 140 or so AB. Not much of a platoon?

Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...

by Chiburb on Jun 3, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Combined, they've produced 0.6 WAR according to Fangraphs

AJ is listed as 0.9 WAR, with Corky at -0.1

Looking at the team aggregate is interesting, as the Sox rank last in MLB at 1.6 WAR (Tampa Bay leads the league at 13.2). It does not appear that pitching is included in the analysis, so I imagine the Sox actually rank more near the middle of the pack overall.

On a individual basis, listed here, our main culprits are Fields, Betemit, Lillibridge, and Getz. All I can say is that I hope Getz improves and below replacement suck at 2B, 3B and CF is really holding the team back.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 3, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ah. Saltalamacchia! Thx.

Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...

by Chiburb on Jun 3, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hawk would call him the saltmeister if we had him...

and compare his long name to yaz something something right stoney?

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jun 3, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stone Pony!

Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...

by Chiburb on Jun 3, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haren has come up a few times now

came up with two other names:

Wandy Rodriguez
Matt Cain

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by colintj on Jun 3, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i would (and im sure most of you would too) prefer dan haren

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by BoeJouma on Jun 3, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

but wouldnt object to the other two either

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by BoeJouma on Jun 3, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

dan haren on this team would be pretty badass

i’m just saying

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jun 3, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't know what kind of financial straits the Dbacks are in

but i wouldn’t be inclined to fuck with that nucleus, all else equal

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by colintj on Jun 3, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cain seems like the most likely candidate

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by The Cheat on Jun 3, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Though I should reiterate

I don’t think a trade for a starter is likely

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by The Cheat on Jun 3, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you think cain would do well here?

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart

by Jbasic89 on Jun 3, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's a flyball pitcher

so he’d be hurt by the move… Coop would have to work on his control too

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by The Cheat on Jun 3, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let's just ask Timmy to come over and play instead!

I think it's funny to picture them as completely different characters. One is Big and one is Hairy. But neither are both.

by homesickalien on Jun 3, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Jun 3, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lotta south park lately

I deleted it because of the misspselling. -the Cheat

by e-gus on Jun 3, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not that one...but we're much more likely to get him on the mound than Lincecum.

I think it's funny to picture them as completely different characters. One is Big and one is Hairy. But neither are both.

by homesickalien on Jun 3, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah he's got a great contract

i haven’t seen him pitch though. he’d be more like solving the back end of the rotation. i’d really like sanchez, since the Giants can’t seem to get him to stop walking folks.

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by colintj on Jun 3, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's frustrating

a good pitcher, but frustrating… kinda like Javy, though Cain gets himself into trouble with the BB

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by The Cheat on Jun 3, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

has Haren been mentioned anywhere

or is this just all speculation?

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Jun 3, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Has NOT been mentioned, therefore a possibility...

Until you've looked at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day, you don't realize how often they go up in flames...

by Chiburb on Jun 3, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you mentioned it at 2:01 pm.

thus, it’s no longer a possibility. nice job, asshat.

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by larry on Jun 3, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

When I said "most NLers"?

You got me.

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by Chiburb on Jun 3, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the only place ive seen him mentioned was in these comment threads

Banned - by The Cheat on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 PM CDT

by BoeJouma on Jun 3, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jun 3, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

just us goofing around

but supposedly other folks read us, so maybe we can start something here.

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by colintj on Jun 3, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Question is, is he Chicago tough enough to play in a man's league in a man's park?

by Ahillock on Jun 3, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

As a dream I would love to see either Johnson from the Marlins or Duke from the Pirates in a Sox uniform.

I think they are both FA after this season. Go get em KW.

by Ahillock on Jun 3, 2009 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

neither of them are free agents after this season

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/2010-mlb-free-a.html

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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 3, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sure they are. Just not RIGHT after this season.

by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 3, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Johnson is under Marlins

control through 2011 . . . ways to go there. Duke might be as well, dont have access at work to look that one up.

You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

by jc2313 on Jun 3, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Johnson I like except for the fact that he has like 340 innings pitched in 5 seasons in the majors

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart

by Jbasic89 on Jun 3, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tommy John

sort of has its side effects.

You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

by jc2313 on Jun 3, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Duke just hit his first year of potential arbitration this past off-season

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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 3, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Like Cheat said

probably not going to trade for a SP so why waste time speculating?

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 3, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Well what else do we have to do besides speculate?

by No Pressure on Jun 3, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

reply fial

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 3, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

fail fail.

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by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jun 3, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

spelling fail

by No Pressure on Jun 3, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No spelling it fial is actually intentional here.

It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.

by omnipotent grab on Jun 3, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But he still cant spell for shit.

It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.

by omnipotent grab on Jun 3, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

me and you,

spelling bee, you name the spot… I will dominate you!

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 3, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

WTGTD : spelling bees

I deleted it because of the misspselling. -the Cheat

by e-gus on Jun 3, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

don't get it twisted

we can have an impartial judge fire off words from the dictionary. Of course, grab wouldn’t be down for this.

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 4, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs