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Yep, This is Still a Problem


White Sox vs. Pitchers they've never faced before

W-L GSIP ER ERA
First Timers 8-1 11 70.1 14 1.79

I'll recap the week that wasn't later tonight

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Take it away Ozzie
‘’I don’t like my players to make excuses,‘’ he said. ’’When we’re horse[expletive], we’re horse[expletive]. We stink. We’re [expletive]. That’s the way I talk. We lose 20 in a row and I’m going to say we’re going to be all right? We’re going to get them tomorrow? I don’t believe in that bull[expletive] that we’re going to get them tomorrow because tomorrow that bull[expletive] is history. When you create in your clubhouse [a] we’ll-get-them-tomorrow [mentality], they start to believe that if we [expletive] it up today, tomorrow will be OK. [Expletive] that. That’s not the way I am.’’

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/hayes/1610356,CST-SPT-neil07.article

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Why don't he look in the mirror.

The manager is supposed to give the team the best chance to win. He failed miserably in that department today

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 7, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

i have no idea what he said but i agree

[expletive]

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 7, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Ozzie

We all agree!

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on Jun 7, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your 2009 White Sox

Cubans losing like Mexicans

After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae

by blackoutsox on Jun 7, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is a part of me that wants the Tigers to come in here

and kick our ass.

I don’t like this team right now and I’m fine with shedding payroll for prospects and then going into next season with a developing big league core, additional prospects at AA-AAA, a high draft position in 2010, and money to spend on 2010 Free Agents (yeah, I know sort of a thin crop).

by stanchar on Jun 7, 2009 5:23 PM CDT reply actions  

the Nationals got a new closer

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-ap-bbn-nationals-closer,0,2304450.story

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2009 6:08 PM CDT reply actions  

this team is drinking me to drive

Banned - by The Cheat on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 PM CDT

by BoeJouma on Jun 7, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

this team is not changing my drinking habits

but it is making games [expletetive] painful to watch

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Jun 7, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's causing me to pull stunts like David Carradine did in his closet

when abroad in southern asia to create a little [expletive] excitement after each and every [expletive] demoralizing loss. Now I’ve got [expletive] rope burns on my [expletive] genitalia.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 8, 2009 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Deadspin Meets Its Downfall

http://deadspin.com/5282308/deadspin-meets-its-downfall

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2009 6:15 PM CDT reply actions  

"Mein Führer ist schwarz"

That Hitler meme is indestructible, it’s been around what at least 3yrs now hasn’t it. Now if they could just kill off the cat thing.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 8, 2009 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

c'est la internet

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Jun 8, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

a wilder protege?
The Angels fired international scouting director Clay Daniel upon receiving information from baseball’s investigative arm that connected him with improprieties in the signing of prospects in Venezuela, a source familiar with the probe said Friday.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-angels-fyi6-2009jun06,0,3816003.story

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Spent the afternoon at the park

Was never so bored at a game in my life – my son and I left exhausted. Glad to get out of there.

Remember when "Cuban Pride" meant something...

by Brush Back on Jun 7, 2009 7:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Should there be a mercy rule in professional baseball?
Bobby Jenks, P, White Sox: “In college is one thing. But people pay money to come see us and they deserve to see all nine innings played regardless of the score.”

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090605&content_id=5159190&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2009 7:23 PM CDT reply actions  

AL Central is

one nasty division.

Time to show Greg Walker the door.

by ballyb on Jun 7, 2009 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

FUCKIN SHIT

BLOW IT UP
TRADE THE DP MACHINES!

BLAARG!

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 7, 2009 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Ozzie Guillen tanked this game on purpose

Exhibit 1- Colon obviously didn’t have it and he left him in to give up 4 homers

Exhibit 2- The Sox finally make some noise and instead of getting DJ in the game he goes with Whistler who walks the first two guys he saw leading to 2 more runs

Exhibit 3- Bases loaded down 4… Anderson, Getz and Beckham coming up. You have JIM THOME (he of 550 career home runs and numerous big home runs this year) and AJ Pierzynski (a former all star who has a flair for the dramatic…) and you leave Anderson and Beckham bat and pinch hit for Getz with Jayson Nix??

Ozzie does not want Beckham on the team and he was pissed that the fans got on him for starting Wise isntead of Anderson…so he figured if it is Anderson and Beckham who you want, thats what you’ll get.

He is either the dumbest manager in the world or this was done on purpose. Then he goes on a tirade saying the club is shit… the biggest hunk of shit today was you Ozzie. You might as well used another vacation day today.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 7, 2009 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

regarding exhibit 1 and 2, yes, it was done on purpose.

monday is a doubleheader. bullpen needed to be conserved. and whisler is being sent down to make room for contreras so you don’t have to worry about saving him.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 7, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok i figured someone would say that...

but what about the third one. what possible reason would he have for not putting up Thome or AJ? Don’t give me the “the pitcher was lefty” bullshit one either

And that could fly for exhibit 1… but its not like they used whistler a whole lot anyway… 9 pitches and out. if you were going to send him down they may as well seen how he could get out of it if they were going to let him start the inning anyway

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 7, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

career vs. perez

Thome: 1-15

AJ: 1-5

Lurking since 2006

by boyonthedock on Jun 7, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't care if he was 1-500 against him.

Don’t be retarded. Thome is a hall of famer. I would take my chances with him over any of the 3 that batted against any pitcher to ever play the game

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 7, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if Thome was due up in that spot

would they have pinch hit for him with Anderson, Nix or Beckham? fuck no. And if he would have he should be fired on the spot.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 7, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

THome is a 67 year old

HOFer, who has a terrible track record against this particular pitcher. putting Thome in is setting him up to fail, something the manager is apparently not supposed to do. You don’t take thome out for one of those guys either, because you don’t PH for your starting DH. These scrubs should be PH for, but not with the bats they had available today in this situation. The non-move is justified, and I liked NIx in there for Getz. Ozzie did fine.

Lurking since 2006

by boyonthedock on Jun 8, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

the problem ain't ozzie

it’s his shit players

Lurking since 2006

by boyonthedock on Jun 8, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

He didn't give the team the best chance to win todays game

I don’t care if Thome is 0-500 with 500 strikeouts against any pitcher….. He is STILL MORE LIKELY TO TIE THE GAME IN THAT SITUATION THAN ANY OF THE PEOPLE OZZIE HAD HIT. He left his best 2 bullets in the chamber and fired 3 duds.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 8, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perez owns lefties

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 8, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone owns anderson nix and beckham

I’ll take my chances with Thome

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 9, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

In '07 we were down four runs in the 9th inning against Detroit, bases were juiced.

I think JD (can’t remember) was due to bat and instead Ozzie let Anderson pinch hit. The series was important to save our season and I was really disappointed because we seemed to be making a comeback and Anderson wasn’t good. Needless to say, Anderson blew it and we lost the game. However, after the move we knew BA’s limits and he’s been in the dog house ever since.

Same with Javy last year. Had to test him in a big game situation. Javy blew it and so he’s off the team. Whether or not Kenny admits to this, this is a rebuilding year and it doesn’t do us much good pinch-hitting with a guy who won’t be on the team next year (hoping for a long-shot grand slam) when instead you could use the time to see how the future of this club handles pressure situations.

Honestly, this season is looking more and more like a scratch. Let’s see what the kids can do.

by Black Sox Baseball on Jun 8, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

AJ: 1-5

sss?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, yeah

thats why i focused on thome. BUt perez v. lefties is still not a good idea.

Lurking since 2006

by boyonthedock on Jun 8, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the White Sox sweep the Tigers and vault into first

is this the worst first-place team in franchise history?

by billyok on Jun 8, 2009 1:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Where's the recap?

Is SSS waiting for the 2010 kids, too?

I’ll recap the week that wasn’t later tonight

Liar.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 8, 2009 6:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Sunday's Loss

What was demoralizing about Sunday’s game was that the Sox had the bases loaded and nobody out in the seventh inning with Anderson and Getz coming up. They BOTH struck out, did not even put the ball in PLAY!

by Alan Snipes on Jun 8, 2009 6:05 AM CDT reply actions  

That didn't surprise me and that makes me sad.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 8, 2009 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

ROFL!

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 8, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

go green hoodie

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 8, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice to see KenWO is back

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 8, 2009 7:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Remember how 2 weeks agi some were claiming it had the feelings of

the 05 season? Whoops.

Whoever wins this division is most like going to get swept in the first round.

"a methead"

by 815Sox on Jun 8, 2009 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

that was hawk and his "shades of 05'" talk

I wonder if he will change his tune and start saying “shades of 07’”?

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 8, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

A couple of things.(or three or four.)

Was at the entire Cleveland series. Colon needs to be released. This is not an overreaction from yesterday. I’ve been feeling this way for about three weeks now. I liked the signing and low risk….etc…..but he needs to go….now. Secondly, I like Beckham a lot despite the 0-10. We strongly have to consider moving him to short and Alexei to center. I have my reservations about Beckham at short and the move will take a lot of balls, but I think we have to do it. As much as I was also for Anderson getting the bulk of the time in center, I now have given up on him as anything more than a spot starter, 4th/5th outfielder. Neither of those moves cleans up the messes at second or third….and I don’t know what to say about that. I am really, really down on Getz, who I also had hopes for. His complete lack of power and range in the field is starting to hit me between the eyes.

by dantesox on Jun 8, 2009 8:25 AM CDT reply actions  

These aren't red button moves, at least not in my mind. At all.

Trust me. These same moves are being seriously considered by the Sox as well.

by dantesox on Jun 8, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec

i noticed this too.

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 8, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't think the sox are seriously considering replacing getz

or moving alexei to cf

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jun 8, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

the button i hit is blue

http://www.pacdudegames.com/fail/

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 8, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

June 11, 1983 - 56 Games

White Sox lose to Oakland 5-4 in the Masoleum.

25-31, 5th place in the AL West, 7 games out.

Not that it means anything in 2009 – but “lost” teams have been able to pull a rabbit out of their hat before.

Bartolo is a big problem (Ha!) – and should be released if Jose looks like he’s pulled it together.

They cobble together a month where the offense starts clicking…this could be fairly entertaining.

by 67WMAQ on Jun 8, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's well-known that I like to hold out optimism until there is absolutely no hope left in the world....

But we’ve seen of what the team is capable (strikes and gutters).
There is no mystery surrounding what needs fixin’.
There is still time for moves, injuries to heal, adjustments, streaks, shifts, etc.
And despite what Kenwo says, we still have one of the best managers in the game.

This one’s optimistic
This one went to market
This one just came out of the swamp

Yeah...surrre.

by homesickalien on Jun 8, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you try the best you can
If you try the best you can
The best you can is good enough

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 8, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

i always thought the stegasaurus was badass

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jun 8, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

triceratops is my favorite

stegosaurus is number two. Dimetrodon is up there too but i don’t think he’s considered a dino.

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 8, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

VORD: 54.2

he was a 3 or 4 tool dinosaur.

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 8, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

For sure...at that size, he wasn't going to outrun most of his prey

But he had plus defense and offensively, had great power and a keen eye

Formerly Crede's Crew

by Q!'s Qrew on Jun 8, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

they were vegans

and therefore pussies.

T-Rex and his little arms for the win.

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 8, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

white sox offense:

how to disappear completely

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 8, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's houdini stuff

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jun 8, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

2009 White Sox Anthems:

Let Down
We Suck Young Blood
The Gloaming
Sit Down, Stand Up (for offense, specifically)
Anyone Can Play CF
No Surprises
Sulk
Go To Sleep (rather than wait for a comeback)

Yeah...surrre.

by homesickalien on Jun 8, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Apparently someone did bring it up in a press conference a bit ago
“You guys said it best: We can’t hit guys we’ve never seen before,” said catcher A.J. Pierzynski. “So I don’t even know why we go out there. Next time maybe we should just forfeit and you guys can just write a story about how bad we are and call it even.”

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=298560

Sorry if has been posted before.

by sti3 on Jun 8, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

wee-woo wee-woo

I think I hear the waaaambulance.

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 8, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

no kidding, stop crying about facing new pitchers… these guys act like adversity only affects them. You don’t think these pitchers are crapping their pants when they get called up? I am tired of this team always making excuses. Although, as bad as we are, we will never make as many excuses as the cubs.

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 8, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice sig

After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae

by blackoutsox on Jun 8, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Podsednik lf

Ramirez ss

Dye rf

Thome dh

Konerko 1b

Pierzynski c

Getz 2b

Fields 3b

Wise cf

Richard p

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 8, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Well, if O zzie's gonna

pull this shit then he should be back down. This is complete bullshit.

by dantesox on Jun 8, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes

if he won’t play send him down

don’t fuck afound ozzie

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

you can either hit in the major or you can't.

i know i’ve seen enough to figure out which category beckham falls into.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 8, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

me too

still, too small of a sample size, but I see which side he is leaning towards. DFA that bum!

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 8, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

10 AB is not enough to gauge approach

they’ve committed to him either way. Changing course now could be lethal.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 8, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

really larry?

surely you jest

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 8, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

of course he jokes... considering he used my phrase,

“either you can hit in the majors or you can’t”. Either that, or he is starting to come around =)

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 8, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

ozzie playing his entire team in a DH?

i’ve never seen that before.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 8, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

This team is offensively challenged.

They need his bat. Until they make some tough decisions, he should be at second today instead of Getz. Moving him around three positions will do no more harm than two. Fucking ridiculous.

by dantesox on Jun 8, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

i have a friend i'd like you to meet, dante.

his name his platoon splits. i think you’d like him. very enlightening.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 8, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fuck that in this instance, larry.

With Beckham and everything else right now, that’s weak. Let Getz play second in game two and have Beckham at third against Bonderman, since Fields likely has a better chance vs. Galaragga.

by dantesox on Jun 8, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

why is fields more likely to hit armando?

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 8, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

bonderman has been in AAA all season

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=bonder001jer

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 8, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

little unfair to compare careers seeing as bonderman has 4 times as many innings

but their pitches have almost the exact same velocity and everyone in the AL knows don’t throw josh fastballs

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 8, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Beckham

Faced Bonderman in AAA as well. Had a few hits off him.

by DirtySox on Jun 8, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Galaragga has worse stuff

though I don’t know whether Bonderman’s is back or not. Either way, Bondo can go 3-1 on Fields and still get it by him even if he’s lost 3-4 MPH. Galaragga loves his slider.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 8, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

so loading up lefties against a guy who 1) gets teed off on by lefties and 2) beats up on righties is weak.

gotcha, dante. here’s another friend i’d like you to me: get your head out beckham’s crotch. may not be as tasty as beckham’s dick but he’s a lot more sensible.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 8, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

95% of the time, that's sound, but not now.

I don’t much care which game, but Beckham should be in both games and Getz and Fields sitting out one of the others.

by dantesox on Jun 8, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

why is it not sound now.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 8, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

in the future, before declaring things "fucking ridiculous" or "costing the team .15 wins per game"

please use forethought before posting.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 8, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

i'm sure i'm not the only one who doesn't take seriously people who launch into half-assed arguments.

why should you? because you’re wasting everyone’s time. who says you don’t? me since you just changed your opinion after being confronted with facts. is it a rule? yes. do i own this site? yes.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 8, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's fine. Take me seriously.

Don’t take me seriously. Say I launch into half-assed arguments. Say I don’t. I’ll likely keep doing what I do.

by dantesox on Jun 8, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

One more thing, lar.

This is exactly the …..than Beckham" isn’t exactly a fact…..ah…that’s more like an opinion, lar. But, you know what? That’s OK.

by dantesox on Jun 8, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

nonsensical posts are also not allowed.

write so people can understand what it is you’re attempting to communicate.

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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

this was quite entertaining

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jun 8, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

¡moar pie!

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Jun 8, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

pie is good...

no pie is great

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jun 8, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

because he's earned it?

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 8, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

platton splits? what do you mean?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

if it wasn't clear from the discussion, splits v. lefties/righties.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jun 8, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

beckham?

career minor league splits:

vs. LH	0.303	0.347	0.530
vs. RH	0.333	0.389	0.518

http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?pl=493596

galarraga is a righty, yes?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

read the discussion.

particularly my post at 10:24.

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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

why do you want to judge beckham with the record of others?

his splits say that he can hit RHP

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

and gallaraga's splits say he murders righties and can't handle lefties.

i’m intelligent and knowledgeable enough to balance the two splits, consider why galarraga beats up on lefties but can’t handle lefties nearly so well, and figure out that playing more lefties against him is a good idea.

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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

*beats up on righties

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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

you say 'galarraga beats up on righties'

ok, I agree there

but beckham’s splits show he doesn’t have a problem with righties

so, because PK, JD and JF can’t hit galarraga you conclude that beckham can’t hit galarraga even if beckham’s splits show he can hit righties

so, you judge beckham on what others do
and I judge beckham on what he does

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm judging right-handers by what galaragga does.

he’s the other guy that’s rather important in this analysis. and, again, if you’ve read the discussion, the other guy who is also important is getz.

and, additionally, you may wish to consider applying your small sample size argument from above to beckham’s minor league splits since, as i’m sure you’re already aware, that is far, far too small a sample size to judge platoon splits.

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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are judging beckham by what others do, I judge him by what he does

to make it more clear

you are judging beckham based on what happens when PK faces galarraga

I judge beckham based on his numbers

And I don’t see how 60 games are a sss
even if you don’t agree, we can examine his college splits

vs. LH	0.350	0.487	0.600
vs. RH	0.408	0.514	0.846	

http://www.collegesplits.com/draft/beckhgo42-b.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you don't see, you should read up on platoon splits.

year to year variance is normal. see, e.g., jim thome’s 2008 campaign against lefties. three years is a sufficient sample for me but i like more data than less; two is probably close enough. 60 games is certainly not sufficient. and college splits (and low minors splits, too, not that that is an issue here)…well, worry about the level of competition.

at any rate, do you notice a trend in today’s game regarding who is hitting galarraga? confirmation of my bias, for whatever that is worth.

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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I gave you beckham's numbers that show he's ok against righties

if you have any numbers that show beckham has a problem with righties then post them

at any rate, do you notice a trend in today’s game regarding who is hitting galarraga? confirmation of my bias, for whatever that is worth.

you base your argument on half a game? but you dismiss beckham’s entire minor league career? lol!

like I said, if you have any numbers that show beckham has a problem with righties then post them

otherwise don’t waste my time with your theories

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

and please don't waste my time when you lack a basic understanding of the issues being discussed.

additionally, the whole point of my prior dicussion, which you decided to involve yourself in (i.e., waste your own time), was to illustrate that dante’s point that it was “fucking ridiculous” to start getz over beckham is itself fucking ridiculous. i’m not asserting that i would do the same thing, simply that there is more than ample basis with which to reasonably rest a decision to start getz over beckham.

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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I showed you beckham's splits against RHPs

I’m waiting for numbers to disprove my numbers

I’m not paying attention to anything else, only cold hard numbers

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know

if you can’t argue your point, you close your ears

so mature!

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by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

and i question the intellectual maturity of the person who continually misses the point of discussions.

here’s a big flashing fucking newsflash, wiz – i’m not arguing that “your” point is wrong. i’m arguing that either decision has a reasonable basis since dante was missing that.

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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

intellectual maturity? I wasn't the one that posted a picture of a monkey closing his ears

I didn’t address dante’s argument at all in my posts

I posted because I saw you using the platoon splits argument in order to agree that beckham’s benching was justified/reasonable

and I showed you that beckham’s splits don’t show any weakness to RHPs

if you want to remove RHBs from the lineup, remove fields

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by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

wiz, you didn't show me anything. i know plenty already about gordon beckham and the rest of the white sox.

and, yes, i would probably dump fields. it’s very nice that you saw me using platoon splits and wanted to talk about it. so maybe you should have stopped right around my post of 1:54 instead of trying to tell me how i’m judging beckham.

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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

wiz, you didn’t show me anything

I see you are using the “the earth is flat” reasoning

no need to say anything else

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by The Wizard on Jun 8, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

wiz, for future reference,

most of the time i don’t understand what it is you are replying to me about. maybe this is my issue. but, if you’re going to talk to me, you may want to be a little clearer about what it is because i’m missing it most of the time.

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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

larry vs wiz!

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 9, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

so you would play to their weaknesses

rather than to our strengths?

After 5 minutes of trying to help this kid, the hurt would end up using him as a bat.
-rangerjae

by blackoutsox on Jun 8, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey, another guy who doesn't read!

here’s a big flashing fucking newsflash, for you: i was discussing with dante that either decision has a reasonable basis. please read what is being posted before attempting to argue with people about things they already know and agree with.

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by larry on Jun 9, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn!

I’m only going this afternoon in hopes of seeing Beckham’s first career hit.

*weeps

Your offense is only as good as your bullpen.

by defensive indifference on Jun 8, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be there for it then at night

me and LT

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 8, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Think I might have to stay for the nightcap.

If they’re able to get two in.

Your offense is only as good as your bullpen.

by defensive indifference on Jun 8, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

damn

i gave my brother my tickets for tonight.

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 8, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am going to this...

They better fucking play good or I am going to be crabby. I am already crabby from yesterdays debacle.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 8, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Enjoy a delicious churro at park

and all your troubles will float away on a sugary magic carpet made of fried vanilla

by billyok on Jun 8, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just checking in. May I join you?

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, I’m better now.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 8, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Okay, I'll try that.

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It’s alright, but I think it needs moar TTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSS TTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMM SSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!1

and FFFFUUUUCCCCCCKKKKK YYYYYYYOOOOOOUUUUUUU PPPPPPPUUUUUUUUNNNNNNTTTTTOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, now I feel a little bit better.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 8, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

so anybody brought up the argument about why becks isn't playing game one? it's absolute bullshit!! ;)

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jun 8, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

I think what the White Sox need is more ninjas.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 8, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

iguchi?

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 8, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

you still hitting the game tonight?

over the weekend I realized I have niece’s HS graduation to attend, so won’t be making it. Enjoy it man, hopefully we de-claw the kittens

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Jun 8, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

pussy.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 8, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Add a rope, some clothing, and a closet

and you’ve got David Carradine.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 8, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

GD it - to rhythm, below.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 8, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

Although I do like where the comment is now. It’s puzzling in a hilarious manner.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 8, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

For some reason he looks very relaxed in that position...

kind of like he’s just levitating with his feet up on the arm rest of a couch.

Hell of a play.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 8, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carlos Quentin (20 DXL)
Quentin is eligible to come off the DL on Wednesday, but when last seen he was still in a walking boot. Given that he hasn’t yet been seen running or hitting, that makes his coming off at the minimum unlikely, but that’s not a setback, just a reality. Herm Schneider and his staff have been working to make Quentin’s foot not scream with every step, and that’s going to take some time. Ozzie Guillen is using Scott Podsednik in left in the meantime, but he’s obviously not going to give the team the power it’s missing with Quentin out. Once he’s back, the recurrent nature of plantar fasciitis is going to force Guillen to keep Quentin rested, and with Jim Thome in place in the DH slot, it’ll be without the benefit of turning to DHing Quentin all that often. It’s going to be tricky, and given how he’s recovering I’m not hopeful that this is the last that Quentin has seen of the DL due to this issue. Sources tell me that the weekend is the target date for his return, but we’ll need to see some running and hitting drills by Tuesday for this to happen.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9024

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by larry on Jun 8, 2009 11:29 AM CDT reply actions  

The bastard is obviously neglecting his stretching.

SoB’s School of Podiatry is being shat upon! Doesn’t anybody want to win here?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 8, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

he hasnt been able to stretch because he has been in a boot.

poor SoB. Honestly the stretching took the pain level from an 3 to a 0. Obviously I am a lot tougher than Q!.

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 8, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

And he's been in a boot because...

he didn’t stretch?

Sure.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 8, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Classic Catch-22

He can’t stretch because his foot is in a boot, but his foot is in a boot because he can’t stretch.

THIS IS MADDENING, WHEN WILL IT END?

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 8, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where is Bob Newhart when we need him?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 8, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

where is hawk when you need him?

“STRETCH”!

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 8, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not Stubhub.

Raper and pillager, they, in my experience.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 8, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard a rumor

that the Tigers have picked five lucky winners from their fantasy camp to pitch against the White Sox this week

by billyok on Jun 8, 2009 11:53 AM CDT reply actions  

We were doomed,

we are doomed, and we will be doomed for all of eternity!

I blame Obama. Someone today reminded me we are Obama’s team. So we have that going for us.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 8, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

uggghh

Work has been sucking lately and so do the sox…

signed up for a LSAT review course this summer, bye bye weekends… means to the end, means to the end

"a methead"

by 815Sox on Jun 8, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions  

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