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Contreras, Podsednik Turn Back the Clock

Many Decisions Still Loom For White Sox

Jose Contreras salvaged what could have been a disastrous day and may have played himself into the White Sox starting rotation. I held off on writing anything tonight until I saw some post-game Ozzie quotes, expecting him to flat-out name Count his 5th starter, sending Bartolo Colon to the pen. I haven't seen any such proclamation as of yet, but they'll probably wait until tomorrow or Wednesday to make sure Contreras is feeling fine after working deep into a major league game for the first time this season.

While the 5th starter decision appears to have been made easier by Contreras' outstanding performance, I'd like to see him prove it. I'm not even going to try and claim that Colon has been good, because, for the most part, he hasn't. But we've seen Contreras rattle off single starts like this the past only to revert to back to a pumpkin in his next 5 trips to the mound.

I don't know if he found something during his time in Charlotte. Hawk noted he was throwing a three-quarters forkball, which doesn't sound like it should work  -- and I suspect often won't -- but for a night it had some Whiffleball-type movement on occasion. The pitch had this weird double break to it, first some arm-side run then dropping as it reached the plate... like a Whiffleball.

Maybe he found something in working with new catcher Ramon Castro. I don't know. I think the Sox best option is to piggy-back their two well-ripened starters the next time the 5th starter spot comes up, which is Friday... which would put Conteras on three-days rest... which means Colon should get one more start, and I've just talked myself out of the piggy-backing idea. Colon should get his next start, keep everyone on regular-to-extra rest, and Contreras should get a start Saturday against the Brewers. That would push the 5th starter decision back a week, and never require a short-rest situation.

Star-divide

Stuck In A Holding Pattern

When the Sox came off of a 5-1 road trip and a come-from-behind victory against arguably the best pitcher in baseball last weekend, this 12-game homestand that culminated with a 5-game set against the division-leading Tigers looked like it would be a divining rod for the front office. Put together a solid stretch, pick up a game or two on the TIgers, and the Sox are buyers. Fall on their face like they did in the first 8 games to head out on the road more than a handful of games behind the Tigers and any veteran would be available for trade. The White Sox are open for business. 

The Sox could hardly have played worse over the first 8 games of the homestand, and it's still hard to call them out of this retched division at 4.5 games back. But they're still 4 games under .500. If they don't cut into the Tigers lead, if they leave town 5 games under .500, it's probably time to pack it in.

Woops

Josh Fields has read the writing on the wall.

"I think something will happen pretty soon, whether it's, no telling, something like them getting rid of me or something like that for someone else that can possibly help the team. You never know. I don't think it will stay awkward for too much longer. They've won too long and know how to win, and they'll figure something out.''

But he also doesn't seem fully grasp why he's found himself in this situation. 

Given the start at 3B in the opening game of the DH, Fields firmly planted foot in mouth with his error on a routine grounder by a hobbled Miguel Cabrera. Ozzie likes to be the loudest voice in the room, but he doesn't mind his players speaking out if they can back it up. Fields... can't.

It's difficult to lose your job to a guy who has zero major league hits, but Fields might have found a way to do it with those comments combined with poor play.

Gordon Beckham reached base for the first time in his major league career, but is still pressing a bit at the plate. Still, his approach at the plate is a welcome addition to the White Sox lineup. Nearly everything he has hit has been up-the-middle and the other way. He hasn't appeared to be overmatched at the plate, and will be hitting ropes in no time.

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I don't see why there is any reason to "pack it in"

after this homestand whether they win or lose…. why would you trade your veterans now… on june 11 (thursday-after the homestand is complete) when you could wait it out til July 31? Too early to pack it in. What are you going to get on a trade.. not much unless you are trading Jenks. Who are you going to replace Dye or Thome with? You have a great bullpen…why trade any of them? Doesn’t make sense to trade yet.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 9, 2009 12:39 AM CDT reply actions  

I disagree...a little

Being willing to trade now would let the Sox set market and potentially save milions of dollars. But you are right the Sox really don’t have much t trade: Jenks, Dotel, and Dye are the obvious targets. It might be possible to get out from under Linebrink’s contract.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 9, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

You've been rather mum on the draft...

anybody you’re particularly interested in at #23? I know it’s tough to pigeonhole a particular player (especially this year) when you’re not picking in the first half, but I’d still be interested in your thoughts…

Regarding the game, I’m most encouraged by Alexei starting to hit the ball hard again. His “hot streak” the past couple of weeks seemed to me to be BABIP regression (seeing-eye singles and such) as much as anything, but the past handful of games he’s been squaring the ball up a lot better. I’m still a bit confused about how his defense is coming along. UZR likes him quite a bit at short — almost a win better than average per 150. Then again, how much use is two months worth of UZR data? I’d say he’s been passable there. I doubt he’ll be as good as any of our past three shortstops (that’s not necessarily an insult, though) but he certainly doesn’t look “his UZR at 2B was terrible and you’re gonna put him at SS?” bad.

by CWSKeith on Jun 9, 2009 12:47 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree about Alexei

He’s the only “young” player that is showing anything right now. He looks passable at SS, and if he can do that and post a .750 OPS for $1M a year that’s pretty good….

by hitlesswonder on Jun 9, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I feel like UZR ratings are in their infancy

I just dont trust them, Alexei wasnt that bad at 2b last year, and I feel like he doesnt position himself well at ss, which is pretty much impossible to measure.

Im glad to see his bat coming around for sure.

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 9, 2009 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

regarding the draft

This year appears to have more pitching talent that hitters, but there are a few interesting high school bats. Im looking forward to see which way the Sox go with that, and have faith in the organization. At least this isn’t a Bear-ish situation where you can only trust the team to draft one or the other. Im sure they will take what they see as best available.

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 9, 2009 1:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Fields says, "I'm the igniter"
“It’s been weird. Ozzie sat me down the other day and tried to go through it a little bit, but it’s kind of hard to swallow I think. If I was still at .212 like I was for a while, it would be easier, but pulling my average up and the team getting into second place, it just kind of came surprising I guess.

What an ass. Not only does he suck, he’s deluded – wow, he’s pulled his average all the way up to .230 and his OPS to .600 woohoo! Get rid of the POS, fucking moron.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 9, 2009 6:26 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Forget it - he's on a roll.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 9, 2009 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...

the tough get goin’! Who’s with me? Let’s go!

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 9, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why is Fields such a baby?

Maybe Ozzie should force him to watch that entire game yesterday if he doesn’t “get it”?

i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 9, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

he's not jerry owens deluted though

member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."

by thecip on Jun 9, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jerry woke up from his flying dream

when they released him and no one claimed him.

Professional athletes are a strange breed. To get to that level, you’ve got to have complete tunnel vision and an unshakeable confidence in your abilities. Reality is a bitch I imagine. Fields is too stupid to know that you keep those thoughts to yourself, and you especially don’t share them with a sportswriter. If he’s that stupid, for me that’s reason enough to send him back down to AAA.

He hasn’t been able to hit a major league fastball in 3yrs, they’ve wasted enough time on him.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 9, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was ready to write him off when he said this stupid shit:
“When I got my first taste of the big leagues in 2006, it was everything that I had dreamed about,” Fields said. “But the further I got into my professional career, the more I had to deal with everything else that goes along with being a professional athlete. There were so many things going on in the clubhouse that I really questioned if professional baseball was for me. However, I prayed about it and realized there is nowhere I could have more influence right now than in that clubhouse.”

link

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 9, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

ah yes, I remember the rumors

That heathen Uribe used to perform unlicensed abortions in the shower before the game

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 9, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

He blew the game (game 1) yesterday on a very softly hit three-hopper.

You can’t hit,
You can’t field.
So STFU.

Ridin' high in April,shot down in May.
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
when I'm back on top ,back on top in June...

by oahu420 on Jun 9, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fields.

Ridin' high in April,shot down in May.
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
when I'm back on top ,back on top in June...

by oahu420 on Jun 9, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's the igniter for sure,

" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST

by Hoytsstash on Jun 9, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very pretty Admiral, but can he fight?

Cip of Gus, can you use your mad photoshop skillz to put Field’s face on this:

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 9, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps Fields' nickname should be "Monkey-Butt"

Hoytsstash thinks from now on Fields = Monkey-Butt
Perfect, CP. That’s perfect.

" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST

by Hoytsstash on Jun 9, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

the name of that picture is ‘biggest-reddest-baboon-ass-you-will-see’.

i love it.

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 9, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

sexy time!

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Jun 9, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Weren't we 3 1/2 out in '97 when we White Flagged it?

Gotta know when to hold, when to fold. Sell next month. The issue is balancing what we’d receive in return/$ saved vs. a possible division championship (and, please, don’t tell me we’d have a legit shot against anyone in the AL East in the next round).

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 9, 2009 7:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Plus what are we going to get back

I’m not sure anyone outside of probably Jenks will get anything in this market. Dotel and Dye are FA’s at the end of the year. Konerko and Thome got NTC’s with Konerko owed a ton next year. Aj – maybe something. The rest of the roster is really sad and basically unmarketable to other teams.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 9, 2009 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Dye is going to be a Type A, doesn't that increase his trade value a good amount?

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Jun 9, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for reading the post, Bob.

balancing what we’d receive in return.

Goofball.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 9, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would be criminal for KW to sell on this team in this division this year. (at least right now)

Why? Its a winnable division and the White Sox have more resources than anyone else. You don’t blow up a team because you feel you can’t beat the other playoffs teams in Oct (as Spock would say they would be illogical.)

"I'm just here to provide street cred"

by Tdogg on Jun 9, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Criminal?

Then KW is a smooth criminal. Is a division championship worth the $/return we’d get (prospects/players) in this, and the near-future, environment? That’s the question. And I can’t assess it right now. But that is a good business question. And KW can make that assessmsnt better than we can.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 9, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can probably make a pretty good argument that a division championship is worth more

than the C prospects you get back in a trade. The cost of division wins has been computed. I think its more pronounced for a team like the White Sox.

"I'm just here to provide street cred"

by Tdogg on Jun 9, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on the prospects, as mentioned.

If we get Tadahero-type trade return, it makes no sense (unless we can move significant payroll). Otherwise, we’ll see what’s out there, and how much competition in selling we might have. Who knows, we might be buying, too.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 9, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

We should be buying

That’s my point.

"I'm just here to provide street cred"

by Tdogg on Jun 9, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only if it helps the team in 2010 and forward.

You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

by jc2313 on Jun 9, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

of course

"I'm just here to provide street cred"

by Tdogg on Jun 9, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unless of course you can

save significant $ and use that in the offseason or even later in this years trade market to help the team in 2010 and forward . . . which should really be KW main priority (and I think it is).

You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

by jc2313 on Jun 9, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

So what

"I'm just here to provide street cred"

by Tdogg on Jun 9, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hoytsstash disagrees, respectfully 815

The post season is far off, like Shane on the horizon. Anything can happen in a seven game series….and anything can happen in the next 4 months. Right now does Hoytsstash think this division could win the AL ? No. In 4 months? Who knows.

" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST

by Hoytsstash on Jun 9, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

See bally's comment yesterday.

IF Danks gets it together, IF Gavin gets consistent, IF Richard can put up a 4.75 ERA, IF our 5th starter can pitch into the 6th-7th at a 5.5 ERA, IF our infield (2nd and 3rd) can OPS at .700, IF our CF can do the same, IF Q comes back healthy…

Whew. What were you saying, Hoytsstash?

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 9, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's EXACTLY what I was saying, WU....LOL

Sometimes Hoytsstash’s vague generalizations, predictions, and assumptions are pure genius. I like to impress with an inability to be precise…

" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST

by Hoytsstash on Jun 9, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, wait it out until July and see where the team stands.

If at that point we are out, we can deal with a team or two making a run at the playoffs.

by Ahillock on Jun 9, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, We Were 3 1/2 Out

I am still furious we were denied a chance to see Danny Darwin lead us to postseason glory

by JOSEPANIAGUA on Jun 9, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear we got Sweaty Freddy back

I can’t wait until we sign Everett and get Blum back.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 9, 2009 7:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Willie F'n Harris

There’s a reason he wore number 1

by 67WMAQ on Jun 9, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I was thinking

Somewhere, somehow, that little bastard learned how to hit. God, I love me some Willie Harris.

Did I mention I saw him crack a tater to RF in SF last year? The fucking ball almost left the park! (if it didn’t actually leave the park, my memory is fuzzy cause that was still in my crack days)

Bonus trivia, Uribe is one of my favorite players and him and Rowand are the only players I can actually root for on SF. Anyone else in the predicament that you want a couple of players on a team to do well, yet hope that team loses every game? I suppose I can say the same about Crede.

Anyways, have I ever told you about the time I walked over to Shelbyville, only then it wasn’t called Shelbyville… [snoors]…What? Who? Where the hell am I?

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 9, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Willie Harris has an Orlando Hudson-like aura surrounding himself....

I like Willie Harris. In fact, Hoytsstash just likes saying that name in general……Willie Harris, it rolls off the tongue like an infield hit-steal second-steal third-tag and score on a pop-up to deep 2nd base.

" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST

by Hoytsstash on Jun 9, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again

This is a rebuilding year, whether kenny wants to admit it or not

"a methead"

by 815Sox on Jun 9, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Kenny in denial

 I agree with you. However, when we left spring training with both Contreras and Colon on the roster you had to worry that Kenny and Co. were dreaming.

by craftylefthander on Jun 9, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Would you like to see a press conference

where Kenny says, ‘we are rebuilding’? I think his goals and intentions are quite clear.

You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

by jc2313 on Jun 9, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t think signing a guy for basically nothing to fill your fifth starter slot is dreaming. It’s a smart move, we had no one to fill the spot, and Colon costs very little. Nothing to lose there. If you saw him trading away for old veterans, or over spending then I think you could say that. If he was dreaming we’d have signed some of those big name veterans like Hudson.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 9, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got to motivate people to buy tickets

Even if Kenny says “we’re going to win a World Series this year,” it’s not nearly as brazen as when he said the Willis/Cabrera trade put the Tigers in a “better position to compete with us.”

by 67WMAQ on Jun 9, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding C & C

I kind of figured this was coming for Colon. He already had an elevated Hr rate and its not even warm yet. Add to it an avg fastball and that’s bad news every other start.

I still think Contreras has 1 good run left in him. I can see him being pretty effective for a 1-1 1/2 month span. Its happened even in his worse year.

"I'm just here to provide street cred"

by Tdogg on Jun 9, 2009 8:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Prepare your PP, B! Yeah, sure, you figured this was coming.

That’s why you put your PP $ where your mouth is. Smoltz is almost ready to provide Clemens-like relief in June to the Sawx, and Penny is holding his own. I feel like burping in anticipation of my Tdogg-bought meal.

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 9, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah yeah and all that jazz

fat lady not singing yet.

"I'm just here to provide street cred"

by Tdogg on Jun 9, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're not smiling, PPB.

I don’t take IOU’s or food stamps, either.

;)

We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jun 9, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sat near the bullpen last week

He looked winded during the national anthem.

by 67WMAQ on Jun 9, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I always lose it at "The Bombs Bursting In Air"

I think those years spent smoking crack adversely affected my lung capacity, and, thus, my ability to belt out our National Anthem.

Who knew smoking crack could be bad for you?

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 9, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bonus trivia

I absolutely hate it when people start cheering, whistling, etc. during the national anthem when the singer reaches “the land of the free”.

FFS, people, can’t you wait all of 20 seconds to begin cheering? Some people have no goddam class, I tells ya.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 9, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

at a cactus league ST game in 06

These dudes kept talking as they headed for the beer line during the national anthem.
An old timer, presumably a vet of WWII or at least Korea, reached out and slugged him right in the chest and pointed to the flag. It was great.

South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men

by e-gus on Jun 9, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 9, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Gordon Beckham reached base for the first time in his major league career"

Actually he reached base in his first major league at-bat on a fielder’s choice, but who’s counting…

by PaulieK14 on Jun 9, 2009 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

doesn't count towards OBP

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jun 9, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

do sacrifice flys?

always wondered that…

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 9, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Are you joking, OPOS?

Sometimes I can’t tell, given your senility and all, but if you are, nice one.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jun 9, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

;-)

The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander

by Chiburb on Jun 9, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

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