White Sox Comeback Bid Just Another Tease
Bad team finds way to lose to mediocre team
Even though Ozzie Guillen might have had his worst game of the season, even though Dewayne Wise might have been safe at home in the bottom of the 9th, I can't get myself worked into a lather over the White Sox extra-inning loss to the Tigers Tuesday night.
The Sox had plenty of chances yet again. First with a wild and gimpy Dontrelle Willis on the mound. Then with a shaky Detroit bullpen trying to walk every Sox batter. But the Sox could only muster 1 clutch-hit, Paul Konerko's 9th inning bases clearing (though not 3-run scoring) double that tied (but didn't win) the game.
1-9 with runners in scoring position.
That one hit, Konerko's second such hit in as many games, raised the Sox BA w/ RISP on the homestand to a mind-bogglingly low .092. 6 in 10 games. Wretched. Futile. Comically Bad.
The AL Central is a eminently winnable division, and we've seen the Sox seemingly piss away any chance at a repeat title run with the most putrid display of clutch hitting I can ever remember seeing from a "contending" team. The '05 team hit a wall, the '08 club had Ozzie's Tampa Tirade (If Kenny doesn't change something, I will.), but I don't think either club could match the complete and utter fail of the this bunch once a runner reaches second base.
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jesus, ive never felt so bad for this team.
they’re actually terrible, and i can finally see that now. i mean, i still hope they pull an ’83, but even a .500 season at this point would be welcome.
Banned - by The Cheat on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 PM CDT
Don't feel bad for them
Try to look at it as a rebuilding year. I didn’t expect too much out of them this year anyways. Its still fun to watch the new guys.
I’m also getting outside alot more which is nice and my body is thanking me, though I was working out harder last year around this time.
"a methead"
What a difference 31.25 hours make.
“as annoying as he is
i agree with hawk, that we are a pretty good baseball team thats playing really bad baseball.”
Banned – by The Cheat on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 PM CDT
by BoeJouma on Jun 8, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
Time to show Greg Walker the door.
To BoeJouma.
Time to show Greg Walker the door.
And I'd go with the 6/9 observations, FWIW.
Time to show Greg Walker the door.
we have most of the tools
to be a pretty good team. and i was leading my self on by thinking that we were actually a pretty good team who wasnt playing well. but even with said tools, we arent very good and we are playing worse than not playing well.
Banned - by The Cheat on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 PM CDT
reply fail
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
Also Cheat, great sub-title.
Bad team finds way to lose to mediocre team
Tigers are not a good team.
Time to show Greg Walker the door.
Linebrink has 4 Losses in 20 IP
how is that even possible?
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
A variation on a Theme.
’09 White Sox baseball: Anything is possible.
Time to show Greg Walker the door.
Here's another.
AJ has 50 hits, 5 homers and 12 RBIs. I don’t want to look the homers up, but assume each was a solo hr. Thant means 7 RBI on the other 45 hits. I would guess that’s almost statistically impossible?
Time to show Greg Walker the door.
The runners in front of him
on the base paths are generally Dye, Thome and Konerko. I’d guess that has something to do with it.
by Off the bus running on Jun 10, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions
You mean the 3 most likely guys to actually
be on base?
You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?
It' pretty fascinating really
That BA w/RISP is so far below the team batting average is seems absolutely improbable. Is it simply bad, bad luck or is their a reason the Sox as a team are sucking at this.
I have trouble buying into the entire team being inherently unclutch bastards. Maybe it’s Walker’s fault somehow.
Speed doesn't slump!
‘’Speed,’’ Mitchell responded when asked what his biggest strength was. ‘’I think my speed is going to help a lot. I think it’s really hard to go into slumps when you have speed, and I can do a lot.’’
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1615220,CST-SPT-sdraft10.article
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
OBP < .500? Not Chicago Tough.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
did somebody say clutch?
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 10, 2009 12:13 AM CDT reply actions
cheat did if you read the recap
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 10, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Ozzie and Gordon
‘’You guys [the media] do a pretty good PR department for Beckham,’’ Guillen said. ’’I’ve been in Chicago for 17 years, playing and coaching. Has anybody been 0-for-whatever he is, he hasn’t got booed yet? He hit a ground ball to second base and got a standing ovation from the fans [the other day]. Somebody hit a ground ball right at him, and he got another standing ovation. Good job, guys. Keep it up. I hope he sells a lot of shirts, but I need production.’’
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1615123,CST-SPT-soxnt10.article
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
good lord.. ozzie can't stand him
I think anytime someone is more popular than ozzie is… ozzie doesn’t like said person. IE Nick Swisher, Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Lee, Frank Thomas…. I’m surprised Buehrle and AJ have lasted
Kenwo4life=ratings
I don't think this is good
Obviously, Ozzie could act completely differently when interacting with Beckham, but in talking to the media he seems really resentful of Beckham being on the team. I’m thinking Beckham is going to sit a lot more than I thought he would. On the plus side, Pablo Ozuna isn’t around anymore to block Beckham, but this still seems like a bad developmental situation.
by hitlesswonder on Jun 10, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm kind of tired of this asshole at this point
It was novel in 04, justified in 05 and amusing for a while thereafter, but if Ozzie’s going to openly resent his own players — particularly those who might actually make this godawful team worth watching again someday — then he needs to go. Whatever managerial upside he provides — does he provide any at this point — is no longer worth it.
Ozzie says what we've been saying since ST...
But he’s an asshole?
The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander
well, we're a pack of a-holes....
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jun 10, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey....
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 10, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
He stole my line!
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
Ozzie is the man.
However, he might ratchet down the Becks stuff. Becks isn’t stoking the media hype. I know rooks have to pay dues, but rip the media, not the kid.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 10, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
40K fans boo wise with his awful start
40K fans cheer becks with his awful start
though i didn’t read anything in that article where he ripped beckham. seemed he was straight-up talking about the media hype.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jun 10, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
i obviously agree about the hype regarding beckham.
i’ve been ridiculing that since ST. however, if ozzie doesn’t know the difference between wise and beckham, there are some issues. the fans can obviously tell.
White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry
hehe, i guess the second one would require a cumulative total, huh
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jun 10, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm. Your post has made me reassess.
Racism? Or do we boo the devil we know, and the potential angel we don’t know?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
perhaps they just boo the guy who has been off to an awful start to a major league career since 2000.
White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry
ozzie has been to the mountaintop
he dreams of a world where both the talented young guys and the talentless older guys are booed equally
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jun 10, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
The large majority of Chicago sports fans are idiots. I hate how so many call themselves “the most dedicated and or best fans in the world”. Who cares? Also, the ultras in South America and Europe destroy us in “fandom” (I feel stupid after saying that)
"a methead"
Ozzie is right
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 10, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, shame on him for telling the truth
He’s the manager of the whole damn team. What kind of loser would kowtow to a prospect who has been in the majors for 1 week?
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a monstrous middle ground between kowtowing and open resentment that makes a player feel like an outsider on his own team
I'm guessing Ozzie is looking out for the rest of his team
Playing like shit and getting booed, while Beckham gets cheered on like he’s at an 8 year old soccer game.
Maybe it’d be nice if Ozzie realized how desperate Sox fans have been for a top-tier pospect like Beckham, but I understand his motivations. If Beckham starts to play well, this becomes a non-issue in a week or so just like every other “wtf Ozzie” moment.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Ozzie is breaking bad on the kid
because KW called him up against his wishes.
Sort of an “I told you so” to Kenny.
Of course it’s damaging to Beckham’s ego…but it’s just Ozzie being Ozzie I guess.
"If we have Beckham here, we’re in trouble." – Ozzie Guillen
i don't think that's true.
first, ozzie was part of the discussion. second, if he really were doing that as a fuck you to KW because ozzie didn’t agree with the course of action, i rather doubt KW would take it
White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry
Agreed
Also, I doubt its “damaging Beckham’s ego”. Ozzie knows the kid better then us. He is not out to destroy a player “because he doesn’t like him”
"a methead"
Well, when you're 22
and rushed into the majors, and you’re underperforming, and your manager has nothing good to say about you…it can’t feel great.
I do like that Ozzie broke bad on Fields…I hope BA is his next target.
"If we have Beckham here, we’re in trouble." – Ozzie Guillen
He got production
Two walks and a single.
AJ could have blown the game wide open with the bases loaded the fifth – and didn’t.
I understand the frustration of having to deal with a bunch of younger players….but he was not the problem last night.
Beckham has to realize, that has a talented product of the minor league system, that he has to walk in the footsteps of BA, Fields, Getz, Ryan Sweeney, and other mediocre players who came before.
I also find it funny that he said today’s team wouldn’t cut it in the 80’s. Have you looked at some of those White Sox teams in the 80’s? They would have fit right in.
No lie - they were pretty awful in the latter part of the decade.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
YouTube used to have a Jim Fregosi show from 1988
John Rooney and Jim from the Bard’s Room.
How depressing. Dave Gallagher hitting home runs in an empty Comiskey Park.
At least they leveraged that mediocrity into Frank Thomas and Robin Ventura.
It was fun talking with Fregosi in fantasy camp last year.
It seemed he knew the team was horse$h!t. But it was a long time ago, and his pension checks clear every month.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Didn't he make a TON of really smart investments?
Toyota dealerships, real estate around Orland, etc?
He laughed that he did NOT do those, but was offered.
Orlando RE when Disney was coming in, and the Toyota dealership before it even entered FL. Again, he’s not hurting, from what he says.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 10, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, we're back to yesterday's challenges, SBN.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 10, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
beckham improved
Beckham battled back from the high inside heat Zumaya was chucking at him. Laid off of the same pitch to get the walk in the later innings.
Maybe they are just throwing it down the middle and challenging him from the get-go- but it seems Beckham is always 0-2 in the count….
seems he's first pitch swinging a lot
walker!
member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."
I noticed that too
at first someone said, “he fits right in” and I chuckled…but the joke is wearing thin already
Formerly Crede's Crew
he's swung at the first pitch 47% of the time so far.
that’s up in Q and vlad territory.
brian anderson would've caught that...
Beckham Could Not Hold Fred Manrique's Jockstrap
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Jun 10, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Same shit... different rookie
Remember when "Cuban Pride" meant something...
was at the game
At least I was at the game where future HOFer Beckham got his first hit.
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 10, 2009 12:16 AM CDT reply actions
The White Sox had a sound draft, taking a toolsy college guy with upside at 23 in Jared Mitchell; a college catcher who has really hit but is iffy behind the plate in Josh Phegley; a big left-handed arm in Bryan Morgado, who probably should go to the ‘pen; and a very polished high school left-hander in David Holmberg. There’s some upside with Mitchell, and I think Morgado fell too far because of performance issues when he was probably miscast as a starter.
Bob Loblaw’sKeith Law’s Blog
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
Corrected.
hopefully the young players player will develop enough for next year
Time to show Greg Walker the door.
Beep, beep, beep
The truck is backing up. Send em’ out Kenny, bring in some new blood. This team is dead anyway.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
Jon Adkins?
whoops…wrong bay area trade
Formerly Crede's Crew
Cain a necessary component.
Uribe must be in there, too.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
profundo!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
"But Beckham was upset that he swung and missed at a cut fastball that he hadn't seen on videotape from Brandon Lyon to end the ninth inning with the bases loaded"
How is it possible that Beckham didn’t know that Lyon had a cut fastball? Greg Walker gets there before anyone else, and watches more video tape than any hitting coach in the league!
Is it still the fourth inning?
kenny has control over the coaching staff
Honestly I know it may not do any good, but it could not hurt. DFA WALKER NOW. This team is pathetic, most of them go up there hackin and slicing at anything from nose to toe. Terrible at bats w/RISP. No plate discipline whatsoever… Pathetic approaches. Time to get a new voice in there.
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 10, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but most of the tapes Walker watches
are reruns of Everybody Loves Raymond
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Jun 10, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Pleaseell me Ozzie didn't say this last night (from today's Trib).
“If we play like this a good percent of the time, a lot of good things are going to happen.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-10-white-sox-tigers-chicago-.ar0jun10,0,3988759.story
Time to show Greg Walker the door.
its true
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 10, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Good things will happen
Sox fans will turn off their TVs and laptops, and go outside and enjoy the summer.
Is it still the fourth inning?
This recent slide has me looking forward to Wimbledon
Formerly Crede's Crew
Poof.
(Hoodie knows what I’m sayin’.)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Whatev OPOS, that game put me through college
Like to see you try and return my 120 mph serve
Formerly Crede's Crew
My wife is more likely to return your serve - she's the tennis player.
And you gota do what you gotta do to work your way through school – just like a stripper. I don’t judge. However, after the bills are paid, choose wisely, Q2. ;)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Not sure how to take the stripper comparison
I got D3 interest for basketball, Full Ride DI tennis…easy choice.
However, sadly, Beer Pong has become the game I am now best at
Formerly Crede's Crew
(I meant the meaning of "poof".
As in, “Elton John is quite a poof.”)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 10, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
i couldn't believe he saw the same game i saw...
I was thinking to myself that the Tigers were doing everything that the white sox try to do…
Execute with runners in scoring position – check
Hit a homer to win the game – check
We could have totally ripped it open in the 1st – with shaky Willis and his anxiety – Pods should have been sent right away and Alexei not a bad looking bunt -
With Thome up in that 1st inning – Pods could have stole Home – Inge was playing short!
Give up 3 runs in the 9th - not a check.
Walk almost a dozen hitters – not a check. They have a better starting lineup than we do. Their starting pitching isn’t nearly as good, and their pen sucks. Their defense is a LOT better. Thus, they can’t truly compete well with the elite East, and are slightly better than us.
(Tech flash – my own user name just flashed as a new post appeared – I have never seen that before. Something is screwy in techland.)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 10, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
HUH
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 10, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
a letter:
Dear Q!
I am heartily sorry for my recent flirtation with a false god called beckham. It is now apparent only you, your strength, guile, intimating yelling of fuck, wisdom, and clutch can save us.
Your in You,
thecip
PS I hope you still like the same things I do…
member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."
by thecip on Jun 10, 2009 8:57 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Moses had had power numbers
plus he batted in back of Aaron all those years. you see what happend to big poppi after manny left?
member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."
And he never made the promised land either
Remember when "Cuban Pride" meant something...
i always figured he got there after he retired
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
I admit it. I never do this, but I gave up in the top of the 9th. I missed the comeback and PK's hit and the bad call at home.
But I am sure as shit happy that I also missed FUCKING LINEBRINK coming in AGAIN in extra innings and blowing it.
If we aren’t going to use our star fucking closer, let’s trade him and get something of value for the greater good of the team.
OZZIE YOU MORON.
/me
Yeah...surrre.
I thought the bigger issue
was not bringing in Thornton to face Granderson with men on 2nd and 3rd in the 7th . . . instead, Dotel pitches around him and faces Polanco with the bases loaded. That made no sense to me. Granderson struggles with high heat, particularly against LH . . . and Thornton has been ridiculous against LH this year. Thought that was a no brainer . . .
You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?
Yeah this was way worse
Especially if it had anything to do with the useless inning he pitched the game before.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
I would not have thought so, he did not pitch Sunday . . .
You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?
also agreed...I think you brought it up at the time (& Were right)
& Like HSA, I gave up on the game, looked at the box score expecting it to be over, saw it was 6-6 and thought, what the bloody hell, and got back just in time for Linebrink’s antics.
Oh what a night…
Formerly Crede's Crew
Yeah, I had nearly forgotten that Ozzie distinctly walked out to tell Dotel (so we think) that it's ok if he walks Granderson. Fucking Polanco is up next! Like walking Cust to get to Holliday!
That certainly pissed me off too and was the bigger mistake…right after Dotel strikes someone out on high heat, nonetheless. But this is not the first time Ozzie has ignored Jenks in extra innings and both of these issues are getting old fast.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe
It was mentioned after the game that Jenks is ailing some with tightness somewhere.
I missed the gamethread last night, so I don't know if it was touched on,
but sending Wise was a HUGE eff-up by Cox. Yes, you can play the ‘it took a perfect throw to get him’ card, and while that’s somewhat irrelevant, it’s also not really true—the throw beat Wise by a good 6 feet, it was just offline and Laird took a second to control it and move to his left to apply the tag.
If you hold him, you have runners and second and third, 1 out. They still walk AJ, so Beckham’s up with the bases loaded. Instead of needing a base hit, Beckham is now looking just to put the ball in play, preferably in the air. Wise has good speed, so it doesn’t even have to be that deep to score the run. Lyon also has to be wary of the wild pitch/passed ball, so he’s probably not as aggressive with the curveball and low stuff.
I have a harder time faulting him for that
I mean we can’t consistently talk about how bad this team is with runners in scoring position and/or getting a runner home from 3rd with less than 2 outs . . . and then on the other hand, rip the 3rd base coach for trying to score the winning run with one of our fastest runners from first on a double . . . not to mention, he was actually safe, albeit in a very close play.
You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?
If there are 2 outs, you absolutely send him.
But with one out you don’t put your stock in a botched play from their defense, even if your offense is struggling. And that’s not to mention that you don’t even need a hit, just a sac fly—and how many times has Beckham flown out to center this series?
by onthemark12 on Jun 10, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
A botched play?
Did they botch that play? And was he safe? The answers are no and yes . . . again, hard to fault him. I think the odds of him scoring exceeded the odds of Beckham or anyone else driving him in . . . you did see the AB Beckham had against Lyon, right? He didn’t even know Lyon had a cutter . . .
You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?
I'll rephrase.
You don’t put your stock in them not making a good play. Did they make a good play? No, not really. Everett’s throw was not a great one—like I said, a perfect throw would’ve had Wise by 6 feet—and Laird’s positioning was nothing short of awful (check the video, he’s about 3 feet in front of the plate and has the ball right about at the the time Wise enters the circle around home plate). And it was still close enough for Wise to be called out.
Though I understand the argument about us not hitting with RISP, I’m saying I’d rather them not put our fate in the hands of the opposing team and the umpire.
by onthemark12 on Jun 10, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Geez...... Linebrink line against in tie ball games
you know kind of an important time….
.412/.524/.647
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
Compare that to Easy Heat this year so far
Late and close
.196/.245/.196 21ks in 49 ab
Tie Game
.067/.067.067
damn.
"I'm just here to provide street cred"
Utterly disturbing. We have one of the best bullpen arms in the whole damn game and one of the best closers, and both of them watched the game from the bullpen.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Ozzie ought to be shot for yesterday's debacle.
Rarely does a manager blow a game, but you could make a strong case that he did yesterday.
so we should shoot him
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
And that is second guessing.
I, like probably most of you, was screaming and swearing when he didn’t bring in Thornton to pitch to Granderson.
jenks has a sore "side"
not sure which side that is, but that is why he was unavailable.
I bet it's his "back" side.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 10, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow - great stat, Tdogg.
thx.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 10, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
You know things are bad on the homefront when you have to do this.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4246276
I’d love it if he weren’t an ex-Twin.
Not me
we can’t hit with RISP…so might as well try. It was a perfect relay and he was out by an eyelash (even though Hawk repeated 457 times he was safe, he wasn’t).
You had to go for the win.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 10, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I pretty much agree.
But why do you say he was out?
Because on my TV the replay looked like he was just out.
For Hawk to go absurd on that play is ridiculous. It was really close. The ump could have gone either way – it wasn’t any easy bam, bam play. You could tell Stoney was getting tired of hearing about it.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 10, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's the video (I hope)
Look at where both DWise and Laird are when Laird gets the ball. It wasn’t a great relay and it still shouldn’t have been close. But I’ve already added my 2 cents on why it was a bad decision, so I’ll let it go.
by onthemark12 on Jun 10, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Cox should never hold anyone at third
since there is only a 5% chance that person will be driven in from third on this team
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
I would have thought you had the reply button down, SSH.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
the caps in his name make me think he's always yelling
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
I bet it's not him, ChiShirl.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 10, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Your reasoning of "he's too funny to be SSH" doesn't hold up for me. SSH had his moments too.
This is obviously a person who is familiar with the site. Reply fails don’t convince me of shit.
I hardly think SSH is going to come back with his exact style of posting. He was partially smart, despite being a total dipshit in many ways.
Besides, if SSH had located some inner-decency, wanted to come back, had maybe seen a professional and gotten a prescription in the 10 months since his banning….I really wouldn’t care.
But if JOSE isn’t SSH, he’s doing a damn good impersonation so far. The tone is uncanny.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
You seized on the first line. Read the other reasoning.
He’s not as defensive, hateful, and “schadenfreude” oriented. He hasn’t posted about the Cubs. He hasn’t suggested we take anyone named Wilson. He hasn’t started arguments. He has very successfully posted very appropriate pictures.
If he is SSH, his therapist is underpaid.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 10, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're right, as well. But one day of posting = small sample size. Like I said, why would SSH come back and go on one of his signature tirades right away? That would be stupid and obvious. Time will tell.
Again, if it is really him, and he can keep his spurs from jingling and jangling, I truly don’t care.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
SSH has always been on the site
Hiding in the weeds, ready to make his attack.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay I'm Outta Here
I can assure you I am not this SSH of which you speak…regardless no need to worry I can see after one day that like most message boards this is proving to be a breeding ground for paranoia and mean spiritedness so Im out..I’ll keep reading though b/c you guys do make me laugh …enjoy your 90 loss season..
PS Sorry if my pics were too big I have that problem with a lot of things heh heh heh

Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Jun 10, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
so you're in for a couple games, getting pissed, and taking off with a one-finger salute
quite spot-on with the user name, then.
it’s all the same team, dude. everybody’s ornery thanks to all the soxteases and blue balls. i say stick around.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jun 10, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
"Enjoy your 90 loss season".
Perhaps I was wrong.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 10, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
And the reference to his 'size' wasn't convincing?
Not only was this SSH, but he’ll be back with a new name, and toned down even more next time.
This immediate bailing is way too pussified.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
at least he still put a “subject” in with that last pic…
guy has common courtesy after all that…he’s ok in my book
Hawk; "what would you do in that situation"
"id hit him" ;Stone
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 10, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I was talking about the size of my ass...
ok NOW im out..
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Jun 10, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
You should stick around and prove me wrong. For reals. Don't be a big sandy vagina.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
You have to listen to people when they tell you who they are
and what they will do. If someone says they don’t fit, they don’t fit. Don’t beg.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Toned down is OK.
Might not be the most likeable character, but I don’t have a lot fo fans in some corners, either. As long as he’s not an idiot or incendiary I’m OK. The pics were entertaining.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
The site should be so lucky.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
when did the SSH name-calling start?
or were there actual traces to his IP / other personal damning information.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jun 10, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
he certainly seemed like him
i really dont care. the more the merrier, I say.
member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."
Of course you know it is purely speculation based on his commentary.
If someone doesn’t know who SSH is, calling him SSH shouldn’t register as an insult.
Or at least, the person MIGHT want to ask who SSH is (which he did not last night, after being called it multiple times).
90% of the time, I choose to ignore posters who annoy me (just as I’m sure there are plenty who don’t like and ignore me). So please don’t try to suggest that it is my MO to chase people off the site. I think I’m pretty damn constructive with my criticism, when I do actually choose to provide it.
Maybe you weren’t going there, but seriously, anyone who posts here or even lurks here knows that everyone gets shit from everyone else. Most of us just roll with it. This guy has chosen to run away almost instantly. Come on.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
So in my own defense..
Since everyone last night said I was “SSH”..i checked the past posts of this SSH guy and see that he was hated by all and banned from the board…and I don’t have the time the energy or the motivation to spend my time somewhere trying to prove i am not somebody everybody hates…..thats not fun for me..
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Jun 10, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Having done your research last night, why would you say this morning at 11:20 AM, "I don't know who SSH is?"
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
he didn't say he did the research last night
he said he was accused of being ssh last night, which led him to later do research about who ssh was.
jeez, give the guy a break. i wasn’t the biggest fan of his pictures but he wasn’t doing anything that incendiary or annoying in my book. wtgtd is a thousand times more obnoxious to me.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/6/9/904496/white-sox-comeback-bid-just#16802512
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
what is that supposed to tell me?
at 11:20am he said he didn’t know who ssh was.
at 2:03pm he said he had done some research and figured out that ssh was a hated past member.
maybe i’m missing something, but i don’t see the inconsistency.
Good that we are providing Zapruder film-like analysis
on this issue. Fer Chrissakes. (I’m not nailing you, Ryno, just can’t believe the amount of time we’re spending on this.)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
i know what you mean
but on the other hand i think it’s important to stand up for a guy who i think was unfairly singled out and run off. i don’t think that’s the atmosphere anyone wants on this site.
to me he just seemed like a sox fan who was trying to contribute and be funny. sure, he was pessimistic, but aren’t we all, especially lately? and at least he tried to mix his misery with humor.
but, yeah, probably best to just let this die now.
My eyes have opened.
And what once looked normal seems insane.
And now Poreda . Don’t you think this has something to do with that? Can’t you see?
I don’t want to see, goddamn it! I’m tired. I’ve had enough!
You’re ruining this man JOSEPANIAGUA’S life because he’s a homosexual.
That’s not why!
Did you ever once stop to consider his feelings?
You don’t believe me?
I don’t know!
You never believed me?
I just want to raise our children and live a normal life.
White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry
that is one magic loogie
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jun 10, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
For fuckssake, this is ridiculous. Nor did he say he "later did research," if you really want to nitpick.
My calling him SSH b/c of his enduring negativity (which managed to stand out above everyone else’s reactions to the game’s events), and teaching him to scale or provide a subject for pictures is so fucking horrendous? My god, I’ll try to remember to be nicer.
Read all my posts in this thread. I was not hard on this guy.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
you seem awfully negative right now.
should we ban you?
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 12, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You are a crazy woman.
We ALL love you. ;)
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
But perhaps a bit too quick to judge.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Hey "Jose":
Now that many here are convinced that your really SSH come back from the dead, only one question remains:
Do you have Cheat’s permission to sully the site, or are you here only until you’re caught?
The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander
"you're really"
The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander
caught doing what?
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Jun 10, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
See 11:23 question above.
The City of Chicago, led by Mayor Daley and a vast and tumorous army of aldermen and bagmen and yesmen and opportunists and spineless, parasitic political-machine halfwits of forms never seen outside the roiling cesspool of governmental slop-trough greed, has proven itself unworthy of something as potentially delicious and fulfilling as the 2016 Olympic Games.
- Rick Telander
Do you have any of SSH's personal artifacts
maybe we could do some sort of dalai lama like test where i try and pick them out…i could be this guy reincarnated, i dont know..
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
the lack of reply button usage isn't very convincing
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
I just figured out how to turn my computer on yesterday
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Jun 10, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
You learned how to post pics pretty quickly too. A fast learner!
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
yes..posting pics is my favorite

Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Jun 10, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I've noticed. And thus far, despite the enormous image sizes, you've done pretty well with supplying a subject line so we can hide them. Please continue to provide that, especially in gamethreads and when your images are life-size. Thanks!
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Getting so upset over picture sizes on a message board cant be good for your blood pressure
you should relax a little
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Jun 10, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It can slow down the site, and a lot of people are at work
So if you’re going to post photos, make them mind-numbingly offensive.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I really wasn't/am not upset. I was serious that you have done the subject line well. I wanted to say something last night when you didn't do it, but thought it would get lost in the gamethread.
It’s just common courtesy and since you are “new,” I am simply trying to educate. If you cannot scale the pics, provide a subject line so the rest of us can hide it. Otherwise, no matter how great your pics are, they’ll just be annoying and slow down the site.
Don’t try to find tone in my comments when I am very plainly talking to you.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
OK well see the Stone Cold pic for my farewell address..
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Jun 10, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
JP we hardly knew ye
dont let hsa run you off.
im sure she’ll be cool with you in a couple days.
just be careful 4 weeks from now!
South Side (Cant) Hit (For Shit) Men
I wasn't even trying to run someone away, but if his skin is really that thin, that's his issue. I was giving him basic advice.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Gee, would not have expected that out of you. :)
Seriously, though, I thought that was U-God’s job to prod the cattle.
Yeah...surrre.
by homesickalien on Jun 10, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
nope
just fist em
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
zap
Hawk; "what would you do in that situation"
"id hit him" ;Stone
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 10, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb2NW3QfonI
Hawk; "what would you do in that situation"
"id hit him" ;Stone
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 10, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you hide pics?
I never knew of this option.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
click on the subject line
it works for comments too
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Bitchin'! Thanks!
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
rec'd!
DONT LET THE HATERS GET YOU DOWN JOSEPANIAGUA!
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
by U-God on May 31, 2009 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 12, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
bares reposting
i posted this in the first game thread last nite, but i think with all the excitement it was over looked as at that point we all thought game over. however, the main question this guy asks in his sales pitch, i think is the most descriptive way to explain how it feels to be a white sox fan so far this season…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxKIMD1UEuY
ps this may or may not be considered nsfw pending on your boss…also kw might want to follow his advice and get out his f*ck’n check book
Hawk; "what would you do in that situation"
"id hit him" ;Stone
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jun 10, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions
SOMEBODY'S GOT TO BE THE GOAT HERE!!!
Walker needs to go-now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds like an Elton John quote.
Yeah, I said it.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jun 10, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, Tiny Dancer.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 10, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
at least the losses are becoming more EXCITING losses…not like those boring shutout losses.
"If we have Beckham here, we’re in trouble." – Ozzie Guillen
Like getting shot down by a HOT woman, not just a "last call" barfly.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
Right...although when you are wearing your "beer goggles"
they all look good.
"If we have Beckham here, we’re in trouble." – Ozzie Guillen
"when you are wearing your “beer goggles” an OPOS, they all look good"
Fixed.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
True...although neither will give you the time of day.
"If we have Beckham here, we’re in trouble." – Ozzie Guillen
Quentin Not Expected Back Before All-Star Break
Manager Ozzie Guillen doesn’t expect slugger Carlos Quentin to return before the All-Star break. Quentin said he tore a tendon in his left foot on May 25 and just recently started jogging.
this is fanshot worthy.
you should create one for this kind of stuff. mostly so i don’t have to and can just front page it. thanks for the heads up, though.
White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry
damn
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

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