The June Files - "I Want to Believe," White Sox monthly review
Fox Mulder: Are you asking me to give up?
Dana Scully: No. No, I can't ask you to do that... But I can tell you I won't be coming home tonight.
Its that time of month again. By now you know the drill. A quick recap and a nice place to look at a few advanced stats in one place.
Not a huge fan of the X files sequel but I could not help but feel a lot like Mulder; confused, searching and wanting to believe.
Much like last month, the 2009 White Sox did their best to blow the season at the beginning of June. They were home for a 12 game stretch against Oakland, Cleveland and Detroit. It was time to make up serious ground. Wrong. They promptly put up a measly 4-8 record during the 2 weeks dropping a critical Detroit series 2-3 in which every game seemed winnable.
Here we go again. June 1-12 team batting line .220/.308/.358. What the??? I mean its June. Time for Greg Walker's crew to do their summer dance all across poor opposing pitchers. Last year the home team slugged a resounding .300/.361/.521 in June. This year we were greeted to 3 shutouts in 4 days, crushing the team's momentum and increasing the number of hits to MLBTrade Rumors/WhiteSoxRumor.
Could anything save us or the team? It was June 12th and the team was 6 games under .500/6.5 games out. How about a trip back on the road? Enter Milwaukee. The first game pretty much followed suit of the previous homestand. Decent starting pitching and not much hitting. Bullpen implodes, game over. Yawn. The next day was a Fox broadcast. Jose Contreras followed up a brilliant return start from the minors against Detroit with an equally impressive one in the land of Cheese and thus began the 2nd half of the month resurgence, which is becoming all too common.
The offense from June 13-30 put up a .287/.366.511 line. Now that's more like it. Okay so the team is a little like Sybil.
But when it was all said done a crappy home stand had resurrected a Count and called up a Savior. Fields lost his starting job and Wilson Betemit lost major league employment all together (thank goodness.)
What should the Sox do? That's the million dollar question. No secret I have screamed to Southside heaven the team should buy. Cheat has covered it. Jim over at Sox Machine has covered it.
It doesn't matter here. Someone else can and will write the final trade entry and evaluate future trades till we are all blue in the face. Today is about the June and ytd numbers. Numbers that leave the White Sox 4 games out.
record 39-38
RS 343
RA347
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Offensive
May numbers .258/.340/.444
YTD .257/.330/.416 compared to 08 at this time .262/.336/.437
.746 Team OPS (11th in the AL)
31.8 Team VORP (11th in the AL)
Early June did not work out too well. Its hard to believe the same team with 3 shut outs early, roughed up Cliff Lee to end the month. In the end there was some progress as the team moved up 1 whole spot (yea) in team OPS. Some things did return to normal. They mashed 41 homers in June (tied for the most) to move up to 7th overall. July gives the boys only 12 home dates. Is that good thing? Their road OPS is .791 compared to .701 at home.
RF Dye- .295/.363/.570 How can you not love JD? My heart wants him to retire a White Sox. VORP leader at 22.3 with an EQA of .302. Everyone else is here. Plenty of scouts looking as he seems to be the popular subject.
DH Thome- .241/.397/.492 Still chugging along. A buddy in my class Thursday night told me he wanted to get rid of Thome because he was only hitting .241 (eyes roll.) Interleague is pretty much over (I know 1 Cub game left), so he doesnt have to ride the pine. Seems healthy. Stay that way.
1b Konerko-.286/.341/.487 Battled thumb issues and dipped a little but doing his job to complete the Sox 3 headed monster. I am used to Konerko improving in the 2nd half. Its really just perception as his career numbers are .830 before/.859 after. I suspect with the thumb and his age the best we can hope for is that he hangs on. That and continuing to pick up throws in the dirt......
Q - A spot will forever be reserved for him. He is afterall Q.
2b Getz- .248/.306/.346 Still nothing to write home about but he did improve. June OPS was .717
3B Beckham the Savior- .267/.353/.387 Oh boy. Ozzie wasn't thrilled with a home call up or BlackJack. But the numbers back him up. Beckham raked away from the home pressure. OPS 1.189.
SS Alexei- .265/.319/.398 He still doesn't entirely understand its okay to take pitches with Pods on 1st but with a.826 OPS in the 2nd slot I won't complain. 7 homers in June and 10 walks. He had 18 all last season.Somewhere Joe Sheehan and Keith Law cry.
OF Pods- .313/.368/.411 What the hell can I say? I mentioned earlier I just hope the deal with the devil is for the whole season. Seriously he and Alexei have formed a competent 1-2. Been awhile since you heard the leadoff blah blah huh?
C AJ- .294/.327/443 Umm AJ, you now walk less than Alexei. Just saying.
OF BAnderson- .244/.328/.325 Dude where is the power? It took me a long time to let go of Rex Grossman. I find myself in a similar situation. Im sorry I can't defend him anymore. The defense is not "THAT" great. He definitely should lose abs vs right handers and is prime target number 1 for upgrade.
Bench Fields- After losing his job Fields put up a .903 OPS in a limited role. Power and patience. Hmmm is that his future? Better as a reserve? I would trade him now.
There are plenty of good trends from an offensive standpoint, that said, a .701 OPS at home simply will not do. A return to just average home production would be very nice.
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Pitching
Team ERA/FIP 4.05 (5th in AL)/4.16 (5th also)
K/9-7.20, BB/9-3.37 & HR/9- 1.05 (rising but still avg which is okay considering the park)
Buerhle ERA 3.26/FIP4.20
Danks ERA 4.08/FIP 4.07
Floyd ERA 4.12/FIP3.65
Contrea ERA 5.19/FIP 4.37
Richard ERA 4.48/FIP 4.68Colon ERA 4.23/FIP5.65
39 Quality starts (tied for 5th in AL)
The starting pitchers remain very good lately. Its been the team's rock. Since that Richard start in Toronto the starting staff has a 3.04 ERA for 41 games. For June the total staff put up a 3.58 ERA.
Buerhle- Unfortunately he walked more batters then we were used to this season. Over 3 a game in June, but nothing over the top. Still having a great season and likely all star. A 6 WAR is unlikely but 5 is in reach and he continues to earn his contract.
Danks- Great June. Seemed to put things together. Raised HR rate but limited batters to a .193 avg in the month. If he could only play the Cubs every day.......
Floyd- Damn. We knew Floyd had some bad luck in the first part of the season in regards to hits. We also knew he was walking too many batters. Fine. He just just decided to eliminate them both (lol.) A .94 whip in June and pitching like a number 1. Okay let's not get carried away, but as Jim pointed out at Sox Machine:
"Here's what does it for me:
IP H BB K ERA WHIP
IP H BB K ERA WHIP 76 1/3 52 21 60 2.00 0.96
That line represents the combined Junes for Gavin Floyd and John Danks. Floyd saw Danks' seven shutout innings against the Cubs on Sunday and raised him two more outs, blanking the Indians for 7 2/3 innings in the White Sox's 6-3 victory over Cleveland."
Man that's good.
Contreras- Jose asked to be sent to the minors so he could figure some things out. Mission accomplished. 4 starts and most of us don't know what to think. The guy had no control when he left. Now he walks 1 a game? I expected Contreras to give the Sox a good stretch. How long will this last? June ERA 2.15/FIP 3.35.
Richard- Saved himself a little yesterday but wasn't good at all in June 6.04 ERA and failed to eat innings. If he stays in the rotation (he is likely to continue the pattern.) The good news is we are talking about the 5th starter. Perspective Tdogg, perspective.
The Big 4
Jenks ERA 3.21/FIP 4.01 9.0k/9 82.6%strand
Linebrink ERA 2.17/FIP 4.11 9.31k/9 82.4% strand
Dotel ERA 3.23/FIP 3.83 11.45 k/9 81.8% strand
Thornton ERA 2.93/FIP 2.98 10.86 k/9 81.8% strand
The overall stats are fine but June was not kind to the group. Much of it was regression to the mean but it still sucks. Thorton became human. FIPs are up a bit again. The K rates remain solid. Strand rates decreased. We noticed. Runs definitely crossed the plate late in games. Linebrink's line is misleading and not in a good way. He mildly improved this last week but a 1.030 OPS against in tie ball games is insane. For a 4 million reliever that is. I don't want to overeact because as I said regression was expected. The starting staff limits their work and they should be good to go for the 2nd half, assuming no trades. Sox Machine has great thoughts on the bullpen.
The rest-
DJ Carrasco- ERA 2.96/FIP 2.76 That bases empty stat is huge. Somebody email that to Ozzie.
Gobble- ERA 8.18/FIP 7.41 Last month I wrote, "My mom said if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all." rinse, repeat. And don't leave him in for an inning. Goodness.
Poreda- ERA 0.00/FIP 1.84 Should he really be here now?
Lately chinks in the armor but still a good bullpen
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Defense
.692 defensive efficiency.
8th in AL
Overall team
UZR -10.3
UZR/150 -2.2
Here is the team summary.
Konerko (3.7) continues to be the top White Sox defender. Lately he even passes Chicago Pete's eyeball test. I know I've taken some grief by pointing out the White Sox defense had improved a little and been decent. They proceeded the same day to make 5 errors. Ouch. Ozzie finally snapped on Alexei who's tended to become far too lazy too often. This team makes way too many errors and giving up an average of .5 run a game in unearned runs is not cute. But (always a but huh?), the efficiency improvement is real and definitely contributes to pitcher success. Keep in mind, prior to improvement the defense was probably castrophic. Minor note Getz held steady.
Fangraphs has its 1/2 year avgs up.
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Team Base running.
Per BP the team’s Equivalent Base Running Runs (EqBrr)
The White Sox rank 17th with an team score of-2.66615.
Team leader Getz 3.18 (very good.) No one else is over 1, though Pods is close with +.96
Team anchors Thome -2.72 & Anderson -2.54 (again no excuse for this and further reason I'm off his bandwagon.)
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A week and half ago I felt the Sox would be 3 out at the end of June and even by the time Tampa rolls in.
I don't think this team repeats the weak start stuff this month. Critical stretch against the Central division. Let it begin.
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CP Time!
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
by Tdogg on Jul 1, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
About time is right, okaaayyyyyy!
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jul 1, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its Colored Peoples
and thanks for nothing those in the know.
and its not racist anymore because tdogg said it.
"It doesn't take long for a Rolls Royce to warm up." - Hawk Harrelson
by e-gus on Jul 1, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't answer because I thought you were only pretending to be retarded...
;)
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jul 1, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha!
sorry white bread, I grew up with some black folks so I didnt learn all this awesome bigotry.
didnt eat the chitlins though.
"It doesn't take long for a Rolls Royce to warm up." - Hawk Harrelson
by e-gus on Jul 1, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch it, cracka-ass-cracka. I grew up with some black folks too....you just grew up with the wrong ones, apparently.
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jul 1, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
clearly ones that haven't heard of the en double-a something something
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 1, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a sweet t-shirt
it has a picture of a keg on it.
it says:’ If you tap it, they will come.’
so put that double entendre in your pipe and smoke it.
"It doesn't take long for a Rolls Royce to warm up." - Hawk Harrelson
by e-gus on Jul 1, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell are you smoking. TSK was referring to the NAACP. I know you just learned what at least 2 of those letters stand for...
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jul 1, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well now i just feel foolish
and I WISH I was smoking pot.
"It doesn't take long for a Rolls Royce to warm up." - Hawk Harrelson
by e-gus on Jul 1, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was really trying to find where he thought the double meaning was
This way makes more sense.
"It doesn't take long for a Rolls Royce to warm up." - Hawk Harrelson
by e-gus on Jul 1, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehehehe. It's ok...it's your special day! :)
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jul 1, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im going with sleep deprivation
and thats my final answer.
"It doesn't take long for a Rolls Royce to warm up." - Hawk Harrelson
by e-gus on Jul 1, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the wrong ones?
thats racist!
"It doesn't take long for a Rolls Royce to warm up." - Hawk Harrelson
by e-gus on Jul 1, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's the formula for base running runs?
by Hatchetm on Jul 1, 2009 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
EqBRR
Equivalent Base Running Runs. Measures the number of runs contributed by a player’s advancement on the bases, above what would be expected based on the number and quality of the baserunning opportunities with which the player is presented, park-adjusted and based on a multi-year run expectancy table. EqBRR is calculated as the sum of various baserunning components: Equivalent Ground Advancement Runs (EqGAR), Equivalent Stolen Base Runs (EqSBR), Equivalent Air Advancement Runs (EqAAR), Equivalent Hit Advancement Runs (EqHAR) and Equivalent Other Advancement Runs (EqOAR).
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
by Tdogg on Jul 1, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so is that dependent on who bats behind you or not?
by Hatchetm on Jul 1, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hatch if you want to know individual players use the regular offense report
and filter by White Sox.
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
by Tdogg on Jul 1, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright i worked my way through that clusterfuck of a website....
most of anderson’s negativity comes from his stolen bases (2 for 8!). most of thome’s comes from his lack of advancement on hits. not sure if i can blame BA for that. i assume ozzie is the one sending him.
i’d be interesting to see how stable that stat is over time. generally one is a good baserunner or not.
by Hatchetm on Jul 1, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about Andersons 2 for 40 with the bases loaded for his career?
That is definitely where my negativity comes from.
Never mind that he strikes out every 4th time up.
.328 obp, .325 slugging? hes crap.
"It doesn't take long for a Rolls Royce to warm up." - Hawk Harrelson
by e-gus on Jul 1, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
but as far as baserunning goes, i think he’s better than thome.
by Hatchetm on Jul 1, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the chicks dig him
"To play for me you have to have some balls." - Ozzie Guillen (6/30/09)
by tailgater on Jul 1, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's the "gazelle-like strides" that drop the panties
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 1, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd for the X-Files reference. And the rest of it is pretty great too - getting better each month. Thanks again, Token.
I immensely enjoyed June baseball. Seems like the team is picking up to their potential. Defensive wrinkles getting ironed and offense has been lighting up (is Walker on leave?)….led by Pods of all people!! This season has already been far from boring.
With Beckham and Q (back) on the field together, it’s going to be one religious experience after another.
Cheers to July!
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jul 1, 2009 1:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks
I don’t claim to have the skill of the writers and editors around here…….
Doing my part to help diversity.
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
by Tdogg on Jul 1, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and your modesty earns you FP status
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jul 1, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FP?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 1, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
front page
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jul 1, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. Good. As well it should.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 1, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good job OPOS
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Jul 1, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in reference to WU that is,
Tdogg….great writeup and good read…good throw in stat about aj walking less than che…boosh
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Jul 1, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next you're going to let him attend our schools
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And marry our white women!
………..
Hey, you’re not white!
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jul 1, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just the chubby ones
Oh, wait, that’s the hispanic dudes…my bad.
"To play for me you have to have some balls." - Ozzie Guillen (6/30/09)
by tailgater on Jul 1, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was Fig Pucker
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"
by Chiburb on Jul 1, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First, nice job, CC (Chocolate colin, for the propensity to sleep in on duty).
Good effort. Keep them coming.
Second, I loved your quote:
I could not help but feel a lot like Mulder; confused, searching and wanting to believe. You sound like many young Catholic males over the past 350 years after a session with Father “X”.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 1, 2009 2:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or sounds like you after one your trips down the marital aisle...
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"
by Chiburb on Jul 1, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice, Dogg!
The truth is out there.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"
by Chiburb on Jul 1, 2009 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This needs to be front-paged.
Harry Cub Fan can take a back seat to the Dogg!
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 1, 2009 2:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is what we call analysis
On moving Fields, what kind of return could they expect for him? Decent minor league prospect, or is he more of a sell at all costs position?
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I say he's a keep for b/u at 3B, 1B, and DH. Still some injury proneness at all 3.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"
by Chiburb on Jul 1, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think Jonathan Sanchez would be an appropriate swap at some point
assuming no one thinks he’s an injury risk. Elijah Dukes, maybe?
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 1, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop with the Dukes, already.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 1, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how did you like michael dubee?
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
by colintj on Jul 1, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has 'pitching coach' in his DNA
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
White Sox news, Minor Leagues updates and more
by The Wizard on Jul 1, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite part:
Umm AJ, you now walk less than Alexei. Just saying.
great stuff t.
I still say running down Detroit will be tough, and those damn Twins seem to be doing their annual thing as well.
"It doesn't take long for a Rolls Royce to warm up." - Hawk Harrelson
by e-gus on Jul 1, 2009 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that was my favorite part as well
and I don’t know if you noticed, but Porcello is regressing a bit…maybe EJax or Verlander will too
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jul 1, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jackson would seem like a likely candidate, non?
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Jul 1, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so i got home monday evening to no internet
and its now just fixed. ive never written a fanpost, but i think im going to attempt one later tonight to summarize my first trip to The Cell over the weekend.
also, GREAT post Tdogg
I just accidentally the Fleshlight.
Accidentally what?
THE WHOLE THING!!
by BoeJouma on Jul 1, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
great post
recommend evaluating BA and Wise as a platoon..
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 1, 2009 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great work T-Dogg
God damn I love the KW approach to the Bullpen. High K guys all around! Makes the Liney signing all that more puzzling but oh well, he doesn’t hurt too much.
We need our Q! back and this team might actually go in a nice streak after the break!
by madvillian on Jul 1, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Bench Fields" -- iswydt
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 1, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if the estimated value of making the playoffs is $40 million and
the sox, according to soxmachine, have only $43 million of commitments in 2010 on the books….
if the team can significantly increase the probabilities of making the playoffs by adding a one year rental into the stretch drive without eviscerating the future from a prospect perspective, it seems like a good idea.
i guess the question becomes, when determining whether to take a shot at the $40 million, where is the line drawn on the probabilities of making the post season when determining whether to add or subtract payroll? 33%, 50%, 66%?
oh, and nice blog tdogg.
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jul 1, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
$40 million?
I’ve seen #’s before but
where does that # come from?
Time to show Walker and Dotel the door.
by ballyb on Jul 1, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
baseball prospectus via hardball times
specifically, here.
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jul 1, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
joe told me who heard it from bob who read it in an article that cited reading it in a book....
there’s a hell of a lot of nuance to that value. first, that’s not a one year windfall. it’s a value that is supposedly gained over multiple years after the playoff appearance. second, as i recall, and as i’m sure most can figure out, that number isn’t the same for every team. it was a range of potential values and apparently someone has latched onto $40 million. third, one of the reasons that the revenue gains in later years is that winning teams are able to impose larger ticket price increases than losing teams; however, one can certainly posit in this environment that raising ticket prices a lot ain’t gonna work out so well.
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by larry on Jul 1, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i assumed the figure was ballpark and likely took into account a number dynamic variables.
just the simple math of 8 playoff teams times $40 million = $320 million in annual value seems absurd.
thank you for adding some color to the $40 million number.
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jul 1, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
add color is Tdogg's job
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by The Cheat on Jul 1, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
adding...
improper verb usage is mine
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by The Cheat on Jul 1, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, there's arbitration on the White Sox payroll to take into consideration
not a small number considering where they are right now
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 1, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think this would be of interest when I read it this AM...
It certainly seems as if the prices of peanuts and Cracker Jack go up after they sign that new guy or build that new ballpark (always with a large chunk of taxpayer money). But that isn’t because the owners of sports team are greedy. They are greedy, but that’s not the point.
The point is that prices go up because the owners think that’s what you’re willing to pay. If you are willing to pay, the price stays high. If you aren’t — or at least if enough of you aren’t — then the price will come back down. It’s that simple.
The athletes and their agents don’t determine the price of tickets, souvenirs and food. Not even the owners determine them. Well, they sort of do when it comes to the food. The hamburger joint across the street from the park probably charges half of what you pay at the game, but that’s because the ball club has a monopoly. In general, though, you are the ones who set the prices for T-shirts and baseball hats.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124640485158676535.html
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 1, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was...
very interesting, Tdogg. Thanks for taking the time to compile all of this. Well done.
by palehose67 on Jul 1, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he's the hardest working man in sox business

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 1, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Its a New Day
Let a Man Come In
"It doesn't take long for a Rolls Royce to warm up." - Hawk Harrelson
by e-gus on Jul 1, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
awe.some.
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jul 1, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you currently have a one in six chance at a 40 million dollar pot
you know one of your opponents is holding a stronger hand while the other may be marginally ahead, meaning you will need to draw out to win.
what’s the maximum bet you can call?
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jul 1, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In this game though, you can buy better cards and dispose of your not so good ones.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 1, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great job TdogG.
A good finish to June after the debacle of a homestand to start the month.
Re the defense. Major problem.
Pods, JD, Getz, 1/2 of Alexei, Beckham learning, AJ. (excluding the pitcher , that’s most of the defenders). That’s not good, I don’t care what the stats say. Look at the UERs. And wait til Podsednik moves to CF.
Bad defense really impacts the pitcher’s psyche.
I enjoyed the last week, but I think this team will disappoint those that are expecting success. Only continued very strong pitching (maybe) and much, much improved defense (don’t see it) will get them to the playoffs.
Time to show Walker and Dotel the door.
by ballyb on Jul 1, 2009 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nicely done
Now let’s deal the cards and play
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on Jul 1, 2009 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
khabibulin to edmonton
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Jul 1, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't that suck?
That French guy sucked.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not for 4 years
when you’re 36
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Jul 1, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sample size, fool
but seriously — I don’t really like Huet’s contract, either, but he’ll be alright. He’s really not much different from Khabibulin — amazing how a few loud voices can skew reality. If I get motivated enough I may take a go at starting a Hawks blog, as the only options right now are fan boards that are the equivalent of talk radio.
by CWSKeith on Jul 1, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would read
I like SCH, but their analysis isn’t as in depth as I’d like – content is pretty funny, however
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Jul 1, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU'RE A FOOL
I’m a bandwagon fan at best, so my analysis of players is pretty shoddy.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 1, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
secondcityhockey.com
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jul 1, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i told you start one a while ago, fool.
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
by colintj on Jul 1, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
12 years?
that seems a bit intense
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jul 1, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
keeps the cap number down
in the short term . . . one Cup winner and it will be worth it.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jul 1, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep -- with the cap long-term deals are the craze
contract cap hits go by annual average value, so Hossa’s cap hit of $5 million is a very good deal. Hossa’s big plus over Havlat is his ability to play defense — from what I saw he ain’t far behind Zetterberg and Datsyuk defensively. Offensively he’s gonna net countless goals from sitting in the slot and letting Kane find him.
The Campbell contract, on the other hand… can we get a re-do?
by CWSKeith on Jul 1, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, should be a better fit
with Kane particularly than Havlat . . . and he is certainly more reliable from a GP perspective.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jul 1, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
. . . ,more so than Havlat . . .
fixed
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jul 1, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its effectively an 8 year deal
the salary after the 8th year is about 2 mil… meaning that he can be easily traded or bought out – the buyout rules in hockey take the cap hit and spread it out over the remainder of the contract
if we can keep toews, keith and kane i like the deal
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Jul 1, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
…spread out over the remainder of the contract x 2
fixed
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Jul 1, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which still takes him to age 38
at contracts end . . .
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jul 1, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that part sucks
but its the only way to pick up a player of his caliber and keep the core together, i would imagine – he could still be a useful player in his mid to late 30s, a handful of guys were in the top 40 in points that were 36-38
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Jul 1, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his girlfriend is smoking hot
would post, but i have no idea how to post pics
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Jul 1, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right click
copy image location
come back here
click tree
paste
"It doesn't take long for a Rolls Royce to warm up." - Hawk Harrelson
by e-gus on Jul 1, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know how to resize, sorry

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Jul 1, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah yes, well played Marian
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jul 1, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the heads up...without a game thread, I had no idea about that
Formerly Crede's Crew
by Q!'s Qrew on Jul 1, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we stand 3.51 games away from greatness
Good luck everyone, I must attend a social engagement but I will be watching the score
¡signature!
by billyok on Jul 1, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
an away tea party?
brian anderson would've caught that...
by BuehrleMan on Jul 1, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think hes grounded.
just covering his tracks.
"It doesn't take long for a Rolls Royce to warm up." - Hawk Harrelson
by e-gus on Jul 1, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd.
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jul 1, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Visiting the parole officer is now a "social engagement"?
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 1, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well joke's on all of you
Tonight was the best tea party-slash-grounding-slash-parole hearing-slash-craigslist lover I’ve ever had
SOX WIN!
¡signature!
by billyok on Jul 1, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the dogg mentioned base running
but not Gordo.
They have to give this kid a stop sign. His only credited SB was a present where the throw had him by a mile, he should be 0-fer.
"It doesn't take long for a Rolls Royce to warm up." - Hawk Harrelson
by e-gus on Jul 1, 2009 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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