Alexei Ramirez vs. Alfonso Soriano
I was at the Walk-a-Thon the White Sox and Clayton Richard called yesterday's game, watching Alexei Ramirez swing through a pitch for yet another K, when a nearby fan mentioned something very interesting - he compared Alexei to Alfonso Soriano.
When Alexei was first signed by the Sox, many used the left fielder for the Cubs as a sort of comparison. Since the fan made the reference, it got me thinking to just how much has Alexei Ramirez has resembled this model and how close to those expectations has he come. Keep in mind that Soriano was only 1 year younger then Alexei when he played his first full season for the Yankees.
Also keep in mind that for the purpose of having somewhat close data, I extrapolated Alexei Ramirez's current '09 numbers over a full season of 158 games (the same number of games Soriano played in his first and second full season).
Here are Soriano's stats:
G R 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLUG OPS
316 205 85 3 57 175 52 282 84 17 .284 .318 490 .808
Here are Ramirez's:
G R 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLUG OPS
294 146 40 3 43 160 63 136 37 15 .284 .320. 451. .772
So we can clearly see that Soriano has had the better career to that point. But while Ramirez has the lesser stats overall, he does beat Soriano in one area - K/BB ration. Soriano checks in at a 5.5 K:BB ratio, while Ramirez checks in at a 2.2 K:BB ratio. This stat may shock most Sox fans, who are prone to believe that since Ramirez is a free swinger, he strikes out often. On the contrary, his free swinging often results in contact, which is preferable to striking out. At least getting the bat on the ball is a good start. This leads me to believe that once Ramirez learns to use the other field more, he'll eventually become a better hitter.
Speedwise, I can't tell. Soriano's speed has clearly declined, and while I can't say Ramirez's will as well, he hasn't exactly lit up the basepaths like Soriano has. He is, however, on pace for a 20-20, and most likely a 20-20-20 season. And if he begins to use the right field corner and right center alley more often, we could get used to seeing some 20-20-20-20 seasons out of him.(After re-reading this a couple of times, 20 triples on a consistent basis does sound like a longshot, but I'll stand by my assessment of that potential for him. Not saying it will happen for sure, but with him it is a possibility). I'd say that sounds pretty good for a skinny boy out of Cuba.
So what do you guys think? Will Ramirez or Soriano turn out to be the better career hitter? And this is my first fanpost since joining your site, though I've been a fan and a reader for a while. So i appreciate feedback but be gentle!
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Kasper and Brenly always make those comparisons during the Crosstown Classic games.
I’ll take the Cuban Missile!
by SoxFanOnTheNorthwestSide on Jul 10, 2009 2:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Soriano has had a great career
just because he is on the cubs and sucking ass this year does not mean that he was bad all the years he played. Look at some of the years he had….
2002- 39 HR, 102 RBI, 41 SB
2003- 38 HR, 91 RBI, 35 SB
2004- 28 HR, 91 RBI 18 SB (Alexei may be able to match these number)
2005- 36 HR, 104 RBI, 30 SB
2006- 46 HR, 95 RBI, 41 SB
2007- 33 HR, 70 RBI, 19 SB (Alexei may be able to match these numbers)
2008- 29 HR, 75 RBI, 19 SB (Alexei may match these numbers)
Alexei is a good hitter. He is also way better defensively than soriano (even though somedays he loses focus). He will never ever have years like soriano did in 2002,2003,2005,2006.
Soriano better hitter by far. don’t let your cub fan friends hate of him skew reality.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 10, 2009 6:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You and the teens need your own chat room, KenWo.
We’re a pack of a-holes.
by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 10, 2009 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To the point you can't tell the kids apart without a scorecard.
Hope they have nametags sewn into their shirt collars for their stay at Camp SSS.
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by Chiburb on Jul 10, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh no.. u ain't sticking me with them. It is almost my year anniversary on this site by the way
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 10, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you like a cookie?
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by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 11, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll take one.
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by MarketMaker on Jul 12, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Doubt Soriano is better so far
but if I can see Alexei keeping up a .280, 25HR, 85RBI, 20SB line for 6 years, maybe more. His career numbers might amount to mroe, but as you said that he is having a downyear and the cubs are sucking, he has 6 more years in CHitown? He is a great player, but I think him and Alexei will end up with the same career numbers. 2006 was his bst year by far
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by trademan56 on Jul 10, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
six years of the performance you listed
will not give him numbers better than AlSo
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01.shtml
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jul 10, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never made the argument that Soriano sucks because he's having a bad year.
Maybe I’m being too optimistic here, and Alexei Ramirez will be the kind of hitter who will only ever be able to put up a 20 hr, 80 rbi, 20 sb average line in his career. I just wanted to see if there was anyone else who thought that since many made the comparison between the two, they would turn out to have similiar careers, or if Ramirez might ever surpass him. The power numbers aren’t THAT far off, it’s possible Ramirez could make the jump. The one area of his game I’d like to see Ramirez use more is the running game, where Soriano clearly dominates – 84-37. That’s not even close, for someone with Alexei’s good speed.
by chisoxfan05 on Jul 10, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A good topic for conversation
I think that with Alexei’s defensive ability and the position he plays it could be possible to have a more valuable career that Soriano. Offensively, I don’t know that he will ever get to those kinds of power numbers. The strikeout rate and the power numbers are probably correlated in that they have different kinds of swings. They’re both free-swingers in the sense that they don’t necessarily see a lot of pitches, but in order for Alexei to hit for the power, it seems he would have to sell out on a lot of the contact he’s produced recently. If he turned his Aprils around for the next few years he should hit for a higher average that Soriano, but I doubt the power numbers will reach that point.
by ThisIsJustBanter on Jul 10, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ramirez may have lesser numbers than soriano, but his fish have more punch
doesn’t he have like 8/10 kids?
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 10, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The key stat in my mind: Orgullo.
Soriano: 2
Che: ∞
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 10, 2009 5:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
soriano is the better hitter, but he plays lf. and he makes a ton more money. the thing that's not up for discussion is that you'd rather have ramirez moving forward.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jul 10, 2009 7:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i absolutely agree with that
but Ramirez will never hit like soriano in his prime….and i do believe that was the discussion topic
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by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 10, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty obvious here...
Small Sample Size
by Andronicus on Jul 11, 2009 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lets not forget his numbers in cuba...
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by blackoutsox on Jul 13, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Purely hitting it's Soriano w/o much debate.
Considering his contract, Alexei is obviously the better to player to have on your team, but Soriano put up some historic numbers at second base. He wasn’t a left fielder the whole time he was putting up those ridiculous numbers. Soriano was an elite hitter at one point, Alexei is a solid player, but he’d really have to put together some monster seasons to be compared to Soriano.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 14, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Ramirez ever learns to layoff breaking pitches
He can put up some ridiculous numbers.
by No Pressure on Jul 18, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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