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White Sox Minor League Update Loves Erin Andrews


Now that we've all seen Aaron Poreda up close, what is his future? He makes his Triple A debut tonight for Charlotte as a starter - and he certainly has a major league caliber arm - but many (most?) still think his future is out of the bullpen.

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Poreda's future?
Above Average Starter (#1-3)
73 votes
Backend Starter
81 votes
Set-up Man
47 votes
Closer
28 votes
Long Relief/Swingman
20 votes

249 votes | Poll has closed

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I love Erin Andrews too

but we didn’t even screw and she gave me a virus

by Hawk is God on Jul 25, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I just don't think Poreda has the knack for the offspeed stuff

Sure he’s still young and can improve upon it, but I don’t see him being an effective starter in my totally uninformed opinion. He could be effective out of the bullpen.

Is it still the fourth inning?

by vince_ on Jul 25, 2009 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah thats my choice too.

Flowers – who is apparently the motherfucking boogeyman of the southern league

by omnipotent grab on Jul 25, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Am with you...

I don’t know that he will ever be an ace… But he has that feel of a 2-3 starter… It’s interesting for me to see how he develops. I know that we can’t judge the minor league system as a whole based upon Poreda but, we drafted control pitchers with low ceilings (backend starters for what seems a decade). Since our drafting philosopy has moved to drafting higher risk higher reward players i’m curious to see how those types of players develop compared to Mark Buerhle comand types. Watching Danks develop a cutter (while here), Floyd figure things out, and Thorton turn things around while in our system gives me hope that Poreda will be able to develop. At 22 and with that live of an arm, I still think his future is bright..

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Jul 27, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

who knows

but he ought to be a starter until he proves otherwise.

by Hatchetm on Jul 25, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I've only seen a handful of innings

but without more development on secondary pitches he’s a set-up man

by 3E8 on Jul 25, 2009 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

shelby 2-4, 2B, PO
cj 1-2, BB, SF
viciedo 1-4, HR

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_25_monaax_biraax_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 25, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions  

mollenhauer 2-5
greene 1-2, 2B, 2 BB, CS
morel 1-4, 2B
kuhn 0-2, 2 BB

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_25_myrafa_wswafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 25, 2009 10:24 PM CDT reply actions  

mitchell 1-4
black 1-4
phegley 0-4

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_25_augafx_kanafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 25, 2009 10:25 PM CDT reply actions  

santos rodriguez 2 IP, 0 hits, 0 BB, 5 K, HBP

shoemaker 1-2, HR, 3 BB

upchurch 5.2 IP, 5 hits, 0 BB, 5 K, HBP

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_25_brirok_pulrok_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 25, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

5 k's!?

knocked his fucking dick in the dirt! - BuehrleMan

by BoeJouma on Jul 26, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

stoked

we had too many football players we need someone with a basketball pedigree.

but i really am excited about him. could i get a brief scouting report. apparently he’s uber-athletic

by Hawk is God on Jul 26, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds pretty good

but 3-5 starter, or on a worse team, 1 or 2

Carlos Guillen, the Latino Punto

by The_Fan on Jul 25, 2009 11:43 PM CDT reply actions  

colligan 3-4, 2B, 2 HBP

ballinger finally has a decent outing: 5 IP, 2 hits, 0 BB, 2 K

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=t581&t=g_box&gid=2009_07_25_helrok_grfrok_1

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 26, 2009 9:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Great read

It really gives a good idea of why hes still in Kanny. He should still be moved to WS to face some sort of challenge though.

Flowers – who is apparently the motherfucking boogeyman of the southern league

by omnipotent grab on Jul 26, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see him go to the AFL this year

But Mitchell probably gets the A level spot?

Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!

by picktoclick on Jul 26, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

carter would get crushed in the AFL.

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by larry on Jul 26, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe, it would be nice to find out though what one of our top 10 prospects could do against other 22 year olds.

If he gets crushed, we can stop talking about how he’s being held back.

Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!

by picktoclick on Jul 26, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's some interesting logic there.

there’s quite a bit of a difference between saying a guy is ready for the carolina league and saying a guy is ready for the AFL.

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by larry on Jul 26, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, step on out there Lar. Is he a top 10 prospect or not?

What’s your number? 6?,7?, 9?, 10?, 24? I read your updates and hear how he’s not challenged. He’s 22 and supposedly a top prospect, what’s wrong with testing him? Interesting logic, I know.

Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!

by picktoclick on Jul 26, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

saying a player is in the top 10 of the white sox system certainly does not make that player a "top prospect".

and, if you read my updates, my list is not hard to find.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 27, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

very nice read

Thanks for the link

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Jul 27, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn't Shoemaker

be moved to the next level?

100 ABs, .420 / .478 / .660, 25 game hitting streak.

Thanks, Mark.

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by ballyb on Jul 26, 2009 1:57 PM CDT reply actions  

That's what I thought.

Thanks, Mark.

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by ballyb on Jul 27, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

bryan morgado last night

7 IP, 1 hit, 1 BB, 7 K

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090726/SPORTS/907260339/-1/NEWS

he’ll probably be getting one more start before the regular season wraps up.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 26, 2009 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

odds of him signing?

not good?

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Jul 26, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think the odds are still good.

the sox will just have to pay a bit more than they thought. we’ll see if they’ve budgeted enough.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 26, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

freddy garcia 3 IP, 2 hit, 1 BB, 3 K

gilmore 2-4
mitchell 2-4, 2 2B
black 1-4

griffith 5 IP, 4 hits, 2 BB, 6 K, HBP.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_26_romafx_kanafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 26, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Move him up!

You know who.

We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site...
continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 27, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

mollenhauer 2-4
greene 1-3, BB
morel 2-4

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_26_myrafa_wswafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 26, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions  

anyone know anything

about whether or not justin jones is close to signing?

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Jul 26, 2009 7:00 PM CDT reply actions  

It seems to be pretty hush hush on the J Jones front

But I think it’s essential that they sign him and Morgado (assuming they can’t get Goodwin and/or Dane Williams), otherwise this class looks a little weak.

by The Big Hurt on Jul 26, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah being a boras guy

i dont see goodwin in the fold

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Jul 26, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goodwin isnt happening

And I think they have enough for Jones or Morgado . . . would be surprised if they got both.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jul 26, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

based on what i know, i prefer morgado.

which isn’t to say a lot.

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Jul 26, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with you there on both accounts

Sox just seem to have a bit of history in ‘fixing’ control guys with good stuff.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jul 27, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Thanks, Mark.

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by ballyb on Jul 26, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Oops, for Konerko hr.

Thanks, Mark.

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by ballyb on Jul 26, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

ciolli 2-4, SB
colligan 1-3, HBP, PO

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_26_helrok_grfrok_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 26, 2009 7:31 PM CDT reply actions  

BA 2-5, HR
flowers 2-4

poor pitching by harrell, nunez and link.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_07_26_rocaaa_chraaa_1

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 26, 2009 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

was so mezmerized by the pitching collapse, didn't notice rochester tied it up.

can add derek rodriguez to the pitching suckfest.

BA really 2-6, HR, 3 K.
flowers really 2-6, 3 K.

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by larry on Jul 26, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

last time, promise.

4 K for flowers.

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by larry on Jul 26, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

why is at the game quoted

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Jul 26, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why are you such a dick?

Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!

by picktoclick on Jul 26, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

cool the jets there slugger

knocked his fucking dick in the dirt! - BuehrleMan

by BoeJouma on Jul 27, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

shoemaker 1-3, HBP
gonzalez 1-3, 2B

brazilian andre rienzo with a solid outing: 5 IP, 4 hits, 0 BB, 7 K, WP.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_26_brirok_pulrok_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 26, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Don’t give up on him

Brent Lillibridge SS/CF, White Sox (Triple-A Charlotte)
Sunday’s stats: 3-for-4, R, BB, K, SB
One of the players receiving from Atlanta in the Javier Vasquez deal, Lillibridge hit just .162 in the big leagues this year, but he’s finally found his swing back in the minors, and just as importantly, his patient approach, as in 21 July games, he’s batting .342/.435/.479. His ability to run well and play multiple positions should make him at the very least a valuable September callup.

Don’t give up on him

Brent Lillibridge SS/CF, White Sox (Triple-A Charlotte)
Sunday’s stats: 3-for-4, R, BB, K, SB
One of the players receiving from Atlanta in the Javier Vasquez deal, Lillibridge hit just .162 in the big leagues this year, but he’s finally found his swing back in the minors, and just as importantly, his patient approach, as in 21 July games, he’s batting .342/.435/.479. His ability to run well and play multiple positions should make him at the very least a valuable September callup.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 27, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9297

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 27, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I see him near the Sox roster I'll puke.

"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach

by Tdogg on Jul 27, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

BA is nopw tearing it up in AAA.

Peter Principal, anyone?

We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site...
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by winningugly on Jul 27, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dan Hudson, RHP, White Sox (Double-A Birmingham)
Hudson is certainly the White Sox breakout player of the year, and he might be the pitching breakout of the year across all of baseball. With eight shutout innings on Friday, he now sports a 2.03 ERA in seven Double-A starts as well as more than a strikeout per inning. With a power frame (standing 6-foot-4 and weighing in at 225 pounds) and a plus fastball/slider combination, scouts are seeing him as a easy future big leaguer, though they’re mixed as to whether it’s as a starter or reliever.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9296

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 27, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Goldstein's pretty inconsistent

Just a couple of weeks ago he said Hudson’s slider was more of a slurve, and to quote him it was “not a very good one at that”. Now it’s a plus slider.

by The Big Hurt on Jul 27, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

he could just mean the fastball is plus.

however, then i’m not sure how a plus fastball and not a very good slider combine with a power frame to make an easy future big leaguer.

i’d always heard the slider/whatever was at least decent.

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by larry on Jul 27, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

danks 2-5
cj 2-4, 2B, BB
marrero 1-4
viciedo 1-2
shelby 0-4, SB

http://birmingham.barons.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=g_box&gid=2009_07_27_biraax_jaxaax_1&did=t247&sid=t247

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by larry on Jul 27, 2009 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Move him up!

You know who.

We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site...
continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 27, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

it should be noted that Danks still has a K problem

3 SO

and thank you for continuing this larry

i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry

by blackoutsox on Jul 27, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

BA 0-2, BB, S

torres 6 IP, 2 hits, 5 BB, 7 K

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_27_rocaaa_chraaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 27, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

5 walks

sorry if this has been asked before, but has control been a constant issue for torres?

by soxshenanigans on Jul 29, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

he does give up a lot of walks.

he also throws lots of pitches in general, as you’d expect from a guy who strikes out a lot and walks a lot. one of the primary reasons he likely will end up in the bullpen instead of starting.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 29, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

mollenhauer 0-4
greene 0-3, HBP
morel 1-4
kuhn 1-4

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_27_kinafa_wswafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 27, 2009 9:13 PM CDT reply actions  

shoemaker 1-3, HR, BB
gonzalez 0-3, BB

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_27_brirok_pulrok_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 27, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions  

interview with dan remenowsky

http://futuresox.com/frontpage/?p=1082

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by larry on Jul 27, 2009 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

carter 7 IP, 5 hits, 0 BB, 5 K, HBP

gilmore 2-4
mitchell 1-3, BB, CS, SB
black 0-4
phegley 0-4

bellamy 1 IP, 0 hits, 0 BB, 1 K

http://kannapolis.intimidators.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=t487&t=g_box&gid=2009_07_27_romafx_kanafx_1

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 28, 2009 8:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Bring. Him. To. B'ham.

We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site...
continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 28, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

ciolli 1-4
colligan 2-3, 2B, BB

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=g_box&gid=2009_07_27_grfrok_bilrok_1&did=t581&sid=t581

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Jul 28, 2009 8:39 AM CDT reply actions  

I have two questions regarding White Sox outfielder Jared Mitchell. First, what player would you compare his skill set and speed to? Second, how soon could we see him at the major league level?

Dan Christenson
Aurora, Ill.

When I was working on our draft coverage this spring, one of the scouts I spoke to likened Mitchell to Carl Crawford. Crawford is a little bigger (6-foot-2 and 215 pounds, versus 6 feet and 192 pounds for Mitchell), but both jump out at you with their game-changing athleticism and speed. Crawford could have been an option quarterback at Nebraska, while Mitchell played wide receiver on a national championship football team for Louisiana State. He also won another national title at the 2009 College World Series, where he was named Most Outstanding Player.

The 23rd overall pick in the draft, Mitchell signed for $1.2 million. Though he has hit .393 in his first eight games at low Class A Kannapolis, he may not race to the majors. He split time between two sports at Louisiana State, and while he’s obviously gifted, he’s also in need of a lot of polish. He put an emphasis on taking pitches to get on base, but he often falls behind in the count, leading to strikeouts. He needs more balance in his stance and less uppercut his swing, and he shows more speed than savvy on the bases and in the outfield.

At the same time, Mitchell wouldn’t be the first gifted athlete who took off once he focused solely on baseball. Realistically, he’s at least two years away from joining the White Sox, who have been searching for an answer in center field since trading Aaron Rowand.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2009/268612.html

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by larry on Jul 28, 2009 11:29 AM CDT reply actions  

TY.

We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site...
continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 28, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chicago White Sox
Released: 1B Doug Thennis, OF Ken Gilbert
Added to 40-man roster: RHP Carlos Torres
Optioned to Triple-A: RHP Carlos Torres, LHP Aaron Poreda, OF Brian Anderson
Placed on 7-day DL: RHP Gregory Infante, RHP Jeff Marquez
Reinstated from DL: RHP Levi Maxwell, RHP Sergio Santos, LHP Mike Johnston

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=5868#more-5868

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by larry on Jul 28, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

**White Sox pitching prospect Dan Hudson is suffering from Broken Stat Line Syndrome: he’s having a terrific year, but no one seems to be noticing because he’s split it between three different levels. He began with a 1.23 ERA with a 30/2 K/BB in 22 innings in the Sally League, then posted a 3.40 ERA with a 49/13 K/BB in 45 innings in the Carolina League, and is now 2.03 ERA with a 46/7 K/BB in 44 innings in the Double-A Southern League. His composite line: 10-5, 2.43, 125/22 K/BB in 111 innings, just 78 hits allowed, with no deterioration in his ratios in Double-A. Hudson was a fifth round pick out of Old Dominion in 2008. He hits 90 with his fastball, has a plus slider, and has improved his changeup this year. He obviously throws strikes and has good command, and he definitely belongs on your prospect lists.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/7/28/966188/hit-and-run-july-28-2009

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by larry on Jul 28, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

so.

fastball velocity is lower. now he has a plus slider. so chuck this in with the rest of the conflicting scouting reports.

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by larry on Jul 28, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hudson is the real boogeyman

these reports are beginning to amuse me . . . cant wait for next weeks version.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jul 28, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

So is it pronounced Tracy or Trace?

There are too many misplaced letters in his name and I wasn’t going to bother trying to clarify until he signed.

by Sox-35th on Jul 28, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

fwiw I've always said "trace"

but that’s just the way I read it. I haven’t heard that pronounciation from an official source or anything.

by jeeves on Jul 29, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tray-say.

Like Ales-say. (jk.)

We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site...
continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT

by winningugly on Jul 29, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fuck that

His name’s now Gunnar and he eats orphans

by Sox-35th on Jul 30, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

FUCK YEAH!

Flowers – who is apparently the motherfucking boogeyman of the southern league

by omnipotent grab on Jul 28, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

i am intrigued by this guy

glad to see we inked him.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 29, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

flowers 1-4
armstrong contiues the boogeyman bounce with a 1-2 performance.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_28_chraaa_syraaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Jul 28, 2009 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

danks 0-5
cj 2-4, 2B
viciedo 3-4
marrero 1-3, SF

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_28_biraax_jaxaax_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Jul 28, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

kuhn 0-3, 2 BB
greene 0-4, HBP
morel 2-5, 2B

infante off the DL with a relief appearance: 3 IP, 0 hits, 2 BB, 1 K

jones 2 IP, 0 hits, 0 BB, 3 K.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_28_kinafa_wswafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Jul 28, 2009 9:35 PM CDT reply actions  

gilmore 0-3, BB
mitchell 0-2, BB
phegley 1-2, HR, BB

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_28_romafx_kanafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Jul 28, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

ciolli 0-4, HBP
colligan 1-3, 2 BB

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_28_grfrok_bilrok_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Jul 29, 2009 8:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Anyone remember the site that tracks 2009 White Sox Draft signings?

the search function hasn’t provided me the answer I seek. thank you in advance for your patience.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jul 29, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Crap, found it.

sorry to waste your collective time in reading these last two posts.

20 seconds of your life that you can never have back. You’re welcome!

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Jul 29, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn you!

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Jul 29, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

gilmore 0-3, BB
mitchell 0-3, BB
black 2-4, 2B

leesman 5.2 IP, 6 hits, 1 BB, 5 K, WP

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_29_romafx_kanafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Jul 29, 2009 2:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Mitchell in a slump!

0-5! OK, don’t rush the kid.

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by winningugly on Jul 29, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think they should designate him for assignment in kannapolis.

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by larry on Jul 29, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL.

I still think he’d be a better CF than anyone but Wise.

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by winningugly on Jul 29, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

flowers 1-4, 2B
lillibridge 0-4, HBP

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_29_chraaa_syraaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Jul 29, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions  

danks 0-3, S
cj 1-4
viciedo 0-4
marrero 0-3, SF
shelby 1-3

certainly appears mcculloch’s move to the bullpen is permanent. he’s doing great in that role: 0.1 IP, 0 hits, 1 BB, 0 K, WP, HBP.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_29_biraax_jaxaax_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Jul 29, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions  

mollenhauer 0-5
greene 0-4
morel 3-4, HR
kuhn 2-4, 2B

hector santiago 2 perfect IP, 3 K.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_29_kinafa_wswafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Jul 29, 2009 10:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Morel has really bounced back

after the injury and subsequent struggles. I suppose he will find himself in AA next year and Viciedo in AAA . . . going to be interesting to see how those two progress and how the Sox handle it. Not sure if it is still the consensus, but Morel’s glove was supposedly plus and we all know about Viciedo’s struggles.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jul 30, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Morel...

Sleeper Alert!

Brent Morel, 3B, White Sox (High-A Winston-Salem)
Wednesday’s stats: 3-for-4, HR (14), R, 2 RBI
A third-round pick last year out of Cal Poly, Morel more than held his own in a full-season league after signing, and while he got off to a slow-ish start in the Carolina League this year, he’s been one of the circuit’s hottest bats of late, batting .340/.414/.588 in his last 25 games. Beyond the bat, he’s an plus athlete with a good glove and above-average speed (19 stolen bases) to boot.

http://baseballprospectus.com/minorleagueupdate/

by Off the bus running on Jul 30, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't think viciedo will be starting the year in charlotte.

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by larry on Jul 30, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

B-ham's 1B? LF?

Are they gonna keep running him out there as a 3B? You think they’ll make the switch next year?

by Off the bus running on Jul 30, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

not sure.

we’ll see how the rosters look next year. morel, though, is the sort of guy who should probably learn more than one position to make himself a bit more valuable. perhaps he should be the one sent to the outfield.

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by larry on Jul 30, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

or 2b?

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Jul 30, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think that is a real possibility if they are both in AA next year

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jul 30, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

viciedo at second sure might dissuade runners from going in hard.

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by larry on Jul 30, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

viciedo is a pussy, all Cubans are

he would probably just run across the bag and throw a lollipop over to first to avoid contact just like Ramirez. . . I can see it in his face too.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jul 30, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

viciedo would never throw away a lollipop.

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by larry on Jul 30, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I would not put him there either . . .

I would leave him at 3B in AA for the start of next year as well, but just have a feeling he might end up there. Anyway, just a minor situation I will be interested to see how it develops.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jul 30, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll see how he does in ST.

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by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just not sure those 30-40 ABs should change

what a season’s worth of ABs tell you

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jul 30, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I may be attaching too much importance to it.

But if their thought is to promote him, and he falls on his face, they might keep him in B’ham. Conversely, if he scorches in ST and they are predisposed to keeping him in AA they might still keep him in AA.

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by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

collop 5 IP, 6 hits, 0 BB, 5 K.

ciolli 1-4, HBP
colligan 1-3

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=t581&t=g_box&gid=2009_07_29_grfrok_helrok_1

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by larry on Jul 29, 2009 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

C.J. Retherford: With Josh Fields possibly on his way out of Chicago, this former non-drafted amateur free agent (a great scouting job by the White Sox) could suddenly find himself jumping up the depth chart at third base. Retherford has done nothing but hit since signing and he’s currently hitting .294/.334/.471 with 28 doubles and eight homers in 340 at-bats. The 23-year-old does not possess a ton of power; his swing is more geared to the line drive. His walk rate has also dipped each season and is down to 6.3 BB% in 2009 at double-A. The right-handed hitter has potential, but Retherford needs to be a little more patient.

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/minor-impacts-july-30

 

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by larry on Jul 30, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

"a great scouting job by the White Sox"?

I am not used to seeing that phrase.

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by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

you should at least be used to hearing it

what with that great scouting that found the little known jordan danks on the second day of the draft.

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by larry on Jul 30, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

(Smiles.)

So Johnny D. ought to go into scouting his family tree once he retires?

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by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

since WU asked, it's cassel who replaces raaaandy at charlotte.

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by larry on Jul 30, 2009 12:29 PM CDT reply actions  

TY.

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by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flowers is struggling since his promotion

I was sort of expecting him to wreak havoc in Charlotte. Hope he isn’t injured.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 31, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is one good game

away from ‘looking’ normal, wouldn’t get too worked up over it.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Jul 31, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

small sample size and all

I was a bit worried too and then I realized he’d only played (at the time) in 9 games. Unless of course you’ve actually been watching the games and noticed him being severely overmatched or something

by jeeves on Jul 31, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

haven't seen games -- just watching box scores

I’m not particularly worried either, just a little surprised.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 31, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks for filling in.

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by larry on Jul 31, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

hudson dominant for b'ham

hudson 6 IP, 2 H, 2 BB, 10 K, 0 ER

viciedo 3-5, 2B, HR, 2 R, 3 RBI
marrero 2-4, HR
danks 1-4, 2B, BB, 2 K

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_30_biraax_jaxaax_1&t=g_box&did=milb

by Ryno on Jul 30, 2009 11:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Hudson

Was also removed prematurely, seemingly with some discomfort in his back. Comments after the game made it sound somewhat minor though. Stay tuned.

by DirtySox on Jul 30, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like Viciedo will continue the better OPS every month progression

Not surprisingly, his IsO has also risen every month. And although the BB% isn’t anything to cheer about, he’s only striking out in about 16% of his PAs. So long as he finishes with a strong August, it’ll be tough to complain about Viciedo’s first year in the States.

And that appears to be a pretty decent lineup that Hudson tore through — Stanton is a big time prospect and their first baseman looks (somewhat) legit, too.

by CWSKeith on Jul 31, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Putting in his bid for promotion next year.

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by winningugly on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

struggling

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Jul 31, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Back Injury?
From sleeper, to prospect, to really good prospect

Daniel Hudson, RHP, White Sox (Double-A Birmingham)
Thursday’s stats: 6 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 10 K
If there’s some sort of award for breakout pitcher of the year, just start the engraving now. A fifth-round pick last year out of Old Dominion, Hudson has been on a crazy roll of late, allowing just two runs over 32 innings in his last five starts while giving up 19 hits and striking out 35. He has a power frame, plus velocity with fantastic location and movement, as well as a nice slider. The only bad news is that he left the game with what looked like a back injury.

http://baseballprospectus.com/minorleagueupdate/

by Off the bus running on Jul 31, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

B'ham's strength coach says he's fine

No injury at all. He was pointing towards his back when he left the game though, so I guess taking him out of the game was just a precautionary thing.

by The Big Hurt on Jul 31, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

plus velocity on the fastball, "nice" slider, bad back.

throw it in with the rest of the reports. i heard his knuckleball is coming along nicely as well.

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by larry on Jul 31, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

No. 3 DAN HUDSON, RHP
 WHITE SOX
 
Team: Double-A Birmingham (Southern)
Age: 22
Why He’s Here: 2-0, 0.00, 14 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 17 K
The Scoop: Hudson started the season in low Class A, but at this rate he could make a case for getting to Triple-A before the season is over. The 2008 fifth-rounder out of Old Dominion is working on a 20-inning scoreless streak and has allowed no earned runs in five of his eight Double-A starts. Hudson’s delivery isn’t the cleanest—he tends to throw across his body, but there is no arguing with the results.
Josh Phegley, c, White Sox: It looked like Phegley would tear up the South Atlantic League after signing quickly and collecting two multi-hit games in his first three professional games. But since then, Phegley, who was considered one of the best bats among the college catching crop, has collected just eight hits in 67 at-bats. He did hit two home runs last week, but his line of .163/.202/.350 with three walks and 13 strikeouts in 21 games for Kannapolis isn’t impressive. Setting up with a low crouch and open stance, there were few questions about Phegley’s ability to rake. Rather, scouts wondered how well he would handle putting on the tools of ignorance every day and catch pitchers with movement. Still, Phegley, 21, has shown the ability to make adjustments in the past. Now he needs to show he can make them in the pros.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2009/268625.html

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by larry on Jul 31, 2009 12:42 PM CDT reply actions  

How old is the phrase "tools of ignorance"?

Can’t they come up with anything slightly less hackneyed?

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by winningugly on Jul 31, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Effin' lawyers are everywhere:

This kit was lovingly dubbed “the tools of ignorance” by Herold “Muddy” Ruel, a lawyer turned backstop who caught for greats like Walter Johnson with the Washington Senators in the 1920s.

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by winningugly on Jul 31, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

sergio santos, the infielder in ST turned pitcher

has made the hudson jump from kannapolis to birmingham. of course he’s a reliever and he hasn’t been that good but it’s still interesting for a guy who hadn’t pitched professionally before may.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t247&t=p_pbp&pid=435045

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by larry on Jul 31, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

flowers 3-4, 2 2B, HBP

link lit up 1 IP, 5 hits, 0 BB, 1 K and 4 runs (3 earned)

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_31_chraaa_syraaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Jul 31, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

It's not Detroit!!!

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by winningugly on Aug 1, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

link won't survive up here if he can't hold his own after errors by his defense

i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry

by blackoutsox on Aug 1, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

shelby 0-4
cj 0-4
viciedo 1-4, HR
marrero 1-3

mabee 2 IP, 0 hits, 1 BB, 4 K.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_31_biraax_jaxaax_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Jul 31, 2009 9:48 PM CDT reply actions  

He finishes July with an .826 OPS

Just curious — could you or larry give a ballpark answer on what would be a league average, park adjusted OPS for Birmingham? .725, give or take? I pulled up this article from Clay Davenport that has the league average at about .740, but that was back in 2004.

by CWSKeith on Jul 31, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

SouLg avg. is .257/.334/.385 so far.

and you probably don’t have to adjust B’ham batting lines. it’s a pitchers park, but for Viciedo, it’s also his home park. those two factors probably about cancel out.

2008: .267/.346/.407 Avg. Batt Age: 24.6
2007: .259/.334/.392 Avg. Batt Age: 24.4
2006: .249/.322/.368 Avg. Batt Age: 24.2

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Aug 1, 2009 4:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

mollenhauer 0-3, BB
greene 1-4
morel 0-4
kuhn 0-3

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_31_wswafa_potafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Jul 31, 2009 9:49 PM CDT reply actions  

gilmore 0-3, BB
mitchell 0-3, BB
black 2-4
phegley 1-3, BB

remenowsky 1 IP, 0 hits, 1 BB, 2 K.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_31_kanafx_lcoafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Jul 31, 2009 9:51 PM CDT reply actions  

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