In Which I Announce My Return And Seek Your Semi-Reasoned Info
Seeing as the White Sox played as if I had been in town this series (0-3 since pulling into a tie for first for a night), I figure it's OK to show my face around here and not be blamed for their recent bad run. Not that I'd be recognized. I'm rocking a full 10 days growth right now.

Anyway, I hope I didn't miss anything special. Help me try to catch up... because killing time this afternoon with a little conversation is better than skimming through a week's worth of Sox articles or doing laundry.
- Aaron Poreda got sent down to make room for Carlos Torres and his spot start. From the stats it looked like he was not exactly throwing a ton of strikes as well as his as-to-be-expected secondary pitch issues. Then Bartolo Colon, Torres, and Clayton Richard all had decent-to-very-good starts in their last trip to the mound. So where does that leave the Sox? Are they still in limbo?
- Have there been rumors of any substance surrounding the Sox? Is it looking more like they'll be standing pat at the deadline?
- I kinda ruined the experience of Buehrle's perfect game for myself by watching the entire 9th inning when I got home at 1 AM this morning, though I suppose knowing the outcome removed much of the suspense. I'll still buy the game from iTunes or something and give it watch this week.
- I'm struck by the change in fortune for Dewayne Wise and Brian Anderson because of a their respective option status. Anderson was shipped to Charlotte to make room for Q! simply because he had options remaining and Wise didn't... which prompted Anderson to get pouty and put Wise in a position to make one of the best defensive plays in White Sox history (and send his glove to Cooperstown).
Fire away
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Does this mean we get game threads on time now?
Cheat, this place without you is a mess.
Is it still the fourth inning?
The perfecto
brought a new litter of posters, some ok, some trollish.
Jenks has been not great. But Ozzie says if you dont like my closer dont watch the games, so hes sticking to his adamantly defined roles for the pen.
Pods has let a couple shots drop in front of him in leftfield after being moved over there late in the game. One especially costly one yesterday. I sort of feel he should stay in center, but that of course costs Buehrle his no hitter/shut out/ perfect game so who knows. Basically, the not so good defense by our guys in the outfield really stuck out this weekend.
Konerko has gone ice cold. Going 0 for 11 this series with a walk and a strikeout, and htting .130 for the week.
Jerko or one of the other ESPN radio monkeys asked MB in the post-game if he thought the perfect game would propel the team into the weekend series and beyond with all that shiny momentum. #56 responded that he didnt think so, and in fact in 07 the season went into the crapper after his no hitter. I can only hope that was prophetic.
I love this team again. I know they’re bad for me.
They’ll probably get drunk again and beat me… but I just can’t help myself.
by ReservoirDog on Jul 3, 2009 10:18 PM CDT
was NOT prophetic
I love this team again. I know they’re bad for me.
They’ll probably get drunk again and beat me… but I just can’t help myself.
by ReservoirDog on Jul 3, 2009 10:18 PM CDT
ozzie doesn't have a lot of options in the pen right now
Linebrink has been shit.
Dotel may be nursing an injury or something given how little he has been used.
Pena sucks so far.
Tabasco can’t deal with high leverage
Thornton has been the best, but even he’s regressed a little.
Pordea couldn’t find the plate while he was here
So sure he could put Thornton in closing situations but that just means we’d give up the lead in the 7th or 8th instead of the 9th.
Is it still the fourth inning?
Pena has been given very little opportunity to work in high-leverage
both his appearances have been in no-doubt blowouts.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 26, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure I buy that crappiness in low-leverage situations warrants a shot at higher leverage ones
Is it still the fourth inning?
then DFA his ass.
No one’s doing well in high-leverage situations right now, or haven’t you noticed? I meant to say both his appearances with runs have come in blowouts. KW got him for a reason.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 26, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, we haven't needed a sixth inning reliever lately.
The starting pitching has been pretty awesome despite being in danger of a four game sweep to the division leader. It’s those damn last two that have been a problem.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 26, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
could be why he hasn't been used then, huh.
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That would explain it.
It’s just a little more confusing as to why Jenks and Linebrink “have” been used in those situations.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 26, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Which may lead one to attempt to look to alternatives.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 26, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
See, that's a chance I'm willing to take.
Linebrink has had proven himself unreliable (to say the least) in high leverage situations. Pena has not been given the chance.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 26, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I think KW got him because Dotel has some nagging undisclosed injury
But I’d like to see the “pitcher whisperer” Cooper work with him a little more, because right now he is managing to be as bad as Linebrink, so what are you gaining?
Is it still the fourth inning?
For the last time, he hasn't even been given opportunities.
He has four innings in two weeks.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 26, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
and has sucked in them.
I love this team again. I know they’re bad for me.
They’ll probably get drunk again and beat me… but I just can’t help myself.
by ReservoirDog on Jul 3, 2009 10:18 PM CDT
gus, you're not getting the logic.
jenks and those other guys have stunk the last couple weeks so they need to be replaced by a guy who has stunk the last couple weeks. it makes perfect sense.
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oooOOOooooh
I see.
Makes perfect sense.
I love this team again. I know they’re bad for me.
They’ll probably get drunk again and beat me… but I just can’t help myself.
by ReservoirDog on Jul 3, 2009 10:18 PM CDT
you're right.
he should have pitched in the all-star game. his lazy ass was probably at home for those four days.
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seems like burglary is an odd charge for the mother?
what did she take? the cat’s hunger?
say after the perfect game the sox win these last 3 from the tigers. would you never come back? wait till the next losing streak?
in any case, this place tried to collapse upon itself in your absence. larry’s posting minor league updates wherever he sees fit. colin isn’t familiar with time zones. the right rail has been commandeered by idiots and children. hsa thinks the perfect game has something to do with her. people are talking about dewayne wise’s roll with the team next year. scott podsednik’s, too. thecip is drunk again. and u-god and wtgtd are bff’s now.
this place blows.
Cashing checks and having sex.
i don't view BA as pouty
certainly not any more pouty than any other worker who realizes that he has no future with his current employer and decides that it’s a good idea to move on to someplace else. unfortunately for BA, he works in an industry where he can’t just quit quietly and get another job that suits him better. team control sucks for him.
it’s fairly obvious that BA is a prime candidate to be non-tendered this offseason. he acknowledged the reason why he has no future here: he hasn’t been good enough. there are, however, other places where he would be considered good enough to hold down a roster spot at the major league level. and he’d be in a much better position for doing so next season if he catches on with some team this season and can audition. i somewhat doubt the sox will trade him this season due to their somewhat precarious major league outfield situation but it’s not like BA is wrong. i’m sure all of us would want to go back to making 7x our current salary and at a job where we’re sufficiently challenged and value by our employer.
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if the various chicago papers are to be believed
The Sox already tried to trade BA and found no takers.
Is it still the fourth inning?
of course.
because they all know the white sox are going to non-tender him so why give up much when you can get the same or similar either in the offseason or from another team. BA is essentially an AAAA player. asking for much of anything for him is silly from an acquiring team’s perspective. the sox still have a use for BA as insurance, as well.
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If Anderson can't beat out Wise and Podsednik
what makes him think he can win a starting job on another team. He’s had plenty of opportunity to win the regular CF job with the Sox, unfortunately for him he’s not very good. He should ask Jerry Owens how the change of scenery has worked out for him.
"It was like everything was slow motion," Wise said. "I stuck my hand out so slowly and was able to make the catch."
maybe because he actually looked at what teams have been trotting out there before he commented.
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That doesn't sound like something BA would do.
Too much preparation involved. Like playing winter ball.
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
probably why he's hired an agent, huh.
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probably should let his agent speak for him then, huh.
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
you mean like all the other players. right. i'm sure the "talk to my agent" line would work real well with people like you.
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yep. fringe players should shut the fuck up and let their work speak for them.
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
what BA did was no different than you or i putting the word out to people we know in the industry that we'd like to find a new job.
it’s not like BA can directly contact teams himself.
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probably why he hired an agent, huh.
First of all, MLB is nothing like the real world. Players sign contracts and during the length of that contract they are bound to that team and expected to contribute to the teams success. When they don’t contribute enough toward the team they don’t get another contract but are free to sign with any other club that may place a value on them.
Are you scouted at work? I’m not. Does our competition keep stats on our performance? MLB teams will find you if you have talent but believe me, he didn’t impress any other teams with his crying to the press. Josh Fields pulled the same crap and was ripped in the press and on this site for it.
The man who is handling his situation professionaly and has made the most of it is none other than D Wise.
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
It's still a job
Just because it’s a fantasy world to you,doesn’t make it different. This is his job, and he just got demoted and he doesn’t like it, just like anyone else in the world.
I’d quit my job tomorrow if the equivalent to this happened to me, just like almost anyone else.
Unlike your or me though, he isn’t allowed to quit. Why should he be happy about this situation. He may not be great, but he’s still good enough that he knows he has better options available to him if he can be traded.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think that is the problem
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
am i scouted at work?
sure. i have recruiters calling me on a nearly daily basis. and i’m fairly certain that many of my competitors keep track of my performance, certainly by those who i have “competed” with in court or on deals. i’ve been offered jobs by some of these people.
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this from the guy who thinks scott podsednik should DH next season.
stick to yours.
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If he's on the team and Thome isn't, yes I stand by it.
What would you do with him? Care to offer an opinion? Also, any commentary on his impact this year would be appreciated from an expert like yourself.
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
by picktoclick on Jul 26, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
i already commented on his impact.
and i’ve already offered my opinion on this overall idea. i would not play him at DH. i would have someone who actually hits the ball well at DH. simply because he is on the team does not mean that he is required to be in the starting lineup. players who produce this kind of value with their bat do not belong at DH.
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Pods as a fourth outfielder has no value whatsoever
If he makes the team next year his biggest contribution would be as a dh, IMO. You, on the other hand are ready to release him, keep as a fourth outfielder or start him in the outfield, correct?
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
by picktoclick on Jul 26, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
if i was running the team, he would not be on the team next year.
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this is the first season since 2003 the he has had positive offensive value
and you want him to dh next year
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Nope, you are not listening
I’ve said IF he is on the team his best spot would be dh. And, if you don’t think he had positive offensive value in his last healthy year of 2005, you are a complete moron.
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
by picktoclick on Jul 26, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
instead of calling people complete morons,
you could make the argument for why he had positive offensive value.
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No, you can try to convince me and the rest of the sox fans why you think he has no value.
Are you really a sox fan? Do you watch the games? Do you understand baseball? I mean understand it, not chart stats. Was leadoff not one of our biggest problems at the start of the year? The last couple of years for that matter?
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
by picktoclick on Jul 26, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
you know, i wasn't necessarily disagreeing with your assertion.
i was pointing out that the support of “you are a complete moron” and your fun questions to me don’t support your assertion. at all. i could make the argument for why pods had positive offensive value in 2005. i’m wondering if you can without resorting ad hominem attacks.
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Do you own a mirror?
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
by picktoclick on Jul 26, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
i figured the answer was no.
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by larry on Jul 26, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are really serious
about this Pods as a DH thing, huh? I will at least give you points for persistence and not backing down even in the face of a mountain of evidence. Kudos for that, I guess.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
what evidence?
I’ve heard “really” and " Oh. My. God." but not much real baseball argument. I would actually appreciate some of that but that doesn’t appear to be what this site is really about.
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
by picktoclick on Jul 26, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
have you not been clicking the links people have been posting?
here’s another one. your argument is both flawed and dumber than a potential steve phillips/joe morgan lovechild. he was worth 1.2 more wins than the hypothetical replacement player in 2005 due in large part to Rep. he would not be worth having as a DH.
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
that's not real baseball argument.
that looks a whole lot like math to me. go back to your mom’s basement, nerd.
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EEEEEEKK!!
my secret identity revealed!
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
side note
i’m beginning to believe this is the guy who asked us to put that stupid ass a-rod video up
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
I am so impressed with your baseball knowledge.
Which evidently consists of your charts, graphs and other hypothetical nonsense.
But honestly, I do appreciate some opinion and discussion from you rather than your usual bullshit of just sitting back and telling others how stupid they are.
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
by picktoclick on Jul 26, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Not only do you not know what you're talking about
you’re accusing others more aware than you of speaking “nonsense”. You will not be long for this place if you don’t change your pattern.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 27, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
The whole point of the DH
Is to add an extra offensive bat.
Pods and his career high .772 OPS this year does not scream offense to me, but then again I’m not calling other’s credibility on this site like you, so you must know what’s up.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
You're not evaluated at your job?
Other companies don’t keep tabs on rising employees that work for their rivals? Where the hell do you work?
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
BA hasn't been ripped?
I’d say the site has soured on him for a while now.
And you don’t work at a job where you aren’t evaluated? Companies don’t keep tabs on employees that work for their rivals? Where do you work?
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Dammit, I demand someone cloak this
First comment didn’t show up…………lousy Chrome.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
i know...i'm hatin'
Always bet on black!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 26, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
No doubt
when I saw no future at a company I was working at, I got out of there as fast as possible. I guess it is just a good thing nobody gives a shit. I agree and completely understand his point. I think he stated it honestly and fairly and I respect that.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
The solution to our bullpen woes
Have Buehrle pitch out of the pen on his throw days
Is it still the fourth inning?
This is the kind of thinking we need out of you.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 26, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I really do wish a team would try this outside of the playoffs
Maybe not all year long, but certainly for key series down the stretch. How much more stress on an arm is an inning or less of relief work going to be relative to their normal inbetween start throwing?
Is it still the fourth inning?
MB isn't a good candidate for this.
his side sessions are significantly lighter than other pitchers’.
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Is that really a negative at this point?
The problem is, they’re working on a short pen and all of them suck. It’s that execution thing that’s hurting them right now.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 26, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
there's a magic spell that doesn't allow players to do this.
at least that’s the most logical reason I can think of why nobody does it.
i wouldn't want my starters throwing at maximum effort in between starts.
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Really, the most logical?
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
he's like one of the asshole wonder twins
form of Alan Snipes, shape of a douchebag!
Is it still the fourth inning?
Having seen all of Kings this season
I’m kinda peeved it got cancelled. I wanted to see how it played out.
Is it still the fourth inning?
'09 White Sox: "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times..."
member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."
im sticking with my white sox '09 slogan: blueballing the shit out of you.
knocked his fucking dick in the dirt! - BuehrleMan
pods7, alexei6, jd9, thome dh, pk3, aj2, cq7, getz4, beckham5. Richard.
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reinforce left field? I like it
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Jul 26, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
in 24 plate appearances since returning from the disabled list
Q has swung at 11 first pitches, the results of which are 1 swing and miss, 4 foul balls, 6 immediate outs (2 ground outs, 4 pop ups), no hits.
of the 13 first pitches he didn’t swing at, 7 were balls (1 hit him), 6 were strikes.
ultimate results as follows:
when swinging at 1st pitch, 2-11 (1 single, 1 double)
when taking first pitch, 3-10 (all singles), 2 BB, 1 HBP, 3 K.
conclusion: he swings at the 1st pitch a lot and since coming off the DL, when he has put the 1st pitch in play he has made outs each of those times.(and actually, none of the balls were hit well either). he is swinging at the 1st pitch 46% of the time since his return from the DL. he swung at the 1st pitch 46% of the time before he went on the DL. last year he swung at the first pitch 36% of the time. that is all.
it is what it is......
gonzo: Colon vs. Minn. on Wednesday, Contreras vs. NYY on Thursday.
knocked his fucking dick in the dirt! - BuehrleMan
Keep Tores and Richards in there - 7 man rotation... complete games all required
No need for the BP – pitching problem solved
Remember when "Cuban Pride" meant something...
As soo as Freddy ready - 8 man rotation
Remember when "Cuban Pride" meant something...
those crazy royals!
converting tony pena jr. to a pitcher.
Pena showed the Royals something when he pitched the ninth inning of the Royals’ 19-4 loss to Detroit last July. Pena, who throws three pitches, sat the Tigers down 1-2-3 and punctuated the inning by striking out Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez.
"I saw touch and feel and I saw a lack of fear (from him), even though the situation didn’t promote a lot of fear," Hillman said.
http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/1346950.html
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Welcome back, Cheat. What a clusterfuck while you were gone!
As you’ve probably heard, Mark Buehrle (y’know…my favorite player) pitched a perfect game on my 25th birthday.
[Hazy noticed that] Dewayne Wise (y’know…whom I sponsor) saved the game with the catch of his career for the 25th out, and I just noticed something new while watching the game again last night….Sox scored in the 2nd and 5th innings. :D
So when MarketMaker says I had nothing to do with this one, I have to tell him to lick bag….because life’s been unrelentingly rough on me for a couple months now, and I think last Thursday was supposed to happen to renew my soul (I woke up that morning not excited to be having a birthday at all, aside from knowing Buehrle was pitching that day). I’ve been on top of the world since! Not even dead bodies can get in the way of this stoke!
I deserve a big fucking man-made sandwich.
;P
Glad you’re back, Chief.
If Cowley tweets a fucking word, I am on the next flight to rip his balls off with my bare hands.
Regards!
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jul 23, 2009 12:20 PM PDT
we'll have one of the new guys make it
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
only things men make are bridges and houses
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jul 27, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
i disagree
my sandwiches are fucking awesome.
I love this team again. I know they’re bad for me.
They’ll probably get drunk again and beat me… but I just can’t help myself.
by ReservoirDog on Jul 3, 2009 10:18 PM CDT
Eat this, maybe then you'll be too fat to ramble on all the time

And, yes, that is Mancow in the photo, you deserve only the worst.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 27, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
True lack of class here, OM. Mancow hurts. Don't be mad that I got a perfect game on my bday and you got NOT ONE, but TWO losses on yours! ;)
If Cowley tweets a fucking word, I am on the next flight to rip his balls off with my bare hands.
Regards!
Just [expletive] Fuck It.
by homesickalien on Jul 23, 2009 12:20 PM PDT
by homesickalien on Jul 27, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions

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