The Day The White Sox Lost The Central: Part 2
by The Cheat on Jul 29, 2009 11:26 PM CDT
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Last season when the White Sox dropped their July 31st game in the Metrodome in painful fashion and picked up Ken Griffey Jr. to play CF on the same day, I wrote a tongue-in-cheek headline that read "The Day The White Sox Lost The Central." Nearly a year later with the Sox getting swept out of the dome (again), the Sox chances seem even more bleak.
Perpetual Mediocrity
Although the roster sure feels a whole lot better with no more Lillibridge, Betemit, Anderson and crew, there hasn't been much progress in the way of results. The Sox have closed each month of the season within a game of .500, where they now sit (51-51) with two days left in the month. They might have made progress in July, but their 1-6 record this week against their two chief division rivals has erased any gains... and the schedule doesn't get any easier as they head to August.
Injuries Mounting
Bartolo Colon informed Ozzie Guillen of his sore right elbow late last night, which didn't exactly make Guillen swell with pride. We all knew Colon would get injured. We practically counted on it. But it's not like he was really doing anything but snacking on innings when he was healthy. His ERA looks nice and all, but there's BetemiTon of unearned runs in there that still count against the Sox bottom line. There's really no reason why the Sox should bother to count on him for anything other than headaches the rest of the season.
Carlos Quentin hit his first homerun since April to pull the Sox even at 2, but he pulled up lame and hobbled around the bases. Replays showed that he actually seemed to reaggravate his PF in the previous half-inning during one of the rare occasions that Alexi Casilla made an out. It doesn't appear that the injury will take Quentin out for any period of time in the near future, but the two plays illustrated just how close he is to being forced to shut it down for the rest of the season. He's either going to be hobbled for the rest of the year, or finish it just like he did last year.
Alexei Ramirez caught a spike attempting to make a take-out slide at second and appeared in great pain as he rolled around on the Dome's unforgiving carpet. The official word is that he has a sprained ankle, as he left the building on crutches with X-rays scheduled for tomorrow.
What passes for optimism around here
Yeah, things aren't exactly all puppy dogs and roses right now. But I'm reminded of the way I closed that entry I referenced in the opening, here's the last paragraph:
[T]here was a game last night. And it sucked. And there will be a lot written about momentum, and ejections, and stuff being thrown on the field. And not a lick of it will have any staying power as a narrative if the Sox rebound and start kicking ass over the final two months.
The last series sucked. Nearly everything has sucked since Buehrle's perfect game. But this division is terribly mediocre, just like the Sox. I'm not really in favor of any more future-changing trades in exchange for relievers -- the Sox are rumored to be after George Sherrill, and, just for good measure, have scouted Felix Pie "for over 6 weeks" -- as the Sox can win the division with their current roster. But they can also lose it (and a lot more) if they drain their farm system looking to grab the bronze ring.
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at least we get those pushovers from the AL east next...
I love this team again. I know they’re bad for me.
They’ll probably get drunk again and beat me… but I just can’t help myself.
by ReservoirDog on Jul 3, 2009 10:18 PM CDT
by e-gus on Jul 29, 2009 11:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
in which swish makes his return to the cell
that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma
by furby2056 on Jul 29, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ill take the AL east
at least they play you know? outside? well except the blue jays
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
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by Czheck on Jul 29, 2009 11:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
gray flag trade!
do it!!
member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."
by thecip on Jul 29, 2009 11:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Fact: If you stare at Felix Pie long enough, you eventually become Felix Pie.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 29, 2009 11:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that happened to a cousin of mine.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jul 30, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from the trib recap
Manager Ozzie Guillen didn’t believe Ramirez’s injury was serious but said Ramirez wouldn’t start Thursday night.
fucking dome
by vince_ on Jul 29, 2009 11:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been thinking for a while
that the best thing to do would be stay pat. It doesn’t look like the Twins or Tigers will make a big move, and there isn’t a guy out there who would put you over the top and take you any furthur than the ALDS. Including Halladay IMO.
You have some expiring contracts at the end of the season and therefore some extra cash to go shopping in the off-season. If they win the division, great! But this team isn’t going deep into the playoffs.
Oh, right. I see. I get it. You were lampooning me. It was a simple lampoon.
by brianhello? on Jul 29, 2009 11:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If all Pie cost were Fields
I’d make that trade any day of the week and twice on sunday.
fucking dome
by vince_ on Jul 29, 2009 11:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
very much a thornton for borchard. we just don't know who is thornton yet.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jul 30, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think they are both borchard
fucking dome
by vince_ on Jul 30, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
That’s the kind of deal I would make. He is only 24 with just 376 major league at-bats. I’d get him if Fields did the trick.
by dantesox on Jul 30, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a lot of pie.
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by larry on Jul 30, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like pie
Pie, not so much, but I hate Fields. Pie looks like Dewayne Wise but 7 years younger, and a little more outfield depth in our system would not hurt.
fucking dome
by vince_ on Jul 30, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie "That's my Pie! "
never a cub failure!
by I Miss Ivan Calderon on Jul 30, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i also miss Ivan Calderon.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 30, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's trade Fields for Pie and then flip Pie for a pie
then eat that pie, crap it out and trade that crap for Gio Gonzalez
¡signature!
by billyok on Jul 30, 2009 12:00 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
uribe likes pie.
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by thecip on Jul 30, 2009 12:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i miss him
that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma
by furby2056 on Jul 30, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's still with us in spirit, sabotaging other pitchers' perfect games
¡signature!
by billyok on Jul 30, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like this was a good game to miss, other than Q!
by Trooper on Jul 30, 2009 12:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
glad i went out instead of watching this.
after the count had almost 60 pitches thru 2 innings i decided to drink. around 10 i stumbled into a bar with a TV nearby. sox lost. shocking. fuck the metrodome.
checked the boxscore when i got home. was excited to see q! jacked one and alexei and gordon had good games. (those 3 being my favorites to see success) then i came to SSS and read the story. fuck this. this team is a fucking enigma. dear lord, please don’t let 2009 gordon beckham be the only positive about the 2007 AND 2009 sox.
this team is like the market. sell success and buy failure. whatever they’re doing consistently should be faded because they won’t do it for long.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Jul 30, 2009 1:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
man, gordon beckham was great in 2007
chalk that one up the the drunks you had earlier big guy!
knocked his fucking dick in the dirt! - BuehrleMan
by BoeJouma on Jul 30, 2009 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He means without '07 there is no Beckham
He’s right.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Jul 30, 2009 4:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
have you already forgotten perfection?
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jul 30, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you forgotten what happened to the sox after the 2007 No Hitter?
by airnjp on Jul 30, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Jul 30, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont feel it in this team yet
In 2007, the sox finished out April ok that season, they just got smoked the rest of the months.
It is sad to see potential wins get washed away several games in a row due to defensive miscues. Thank God the tigers lost some games this week. I would be happy if the Sox won the last game they ever play in the dome. That way we wont look for excuses to blame a loss (or losses) on some building.
by airnjp on Jul 30, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not so much that they've lost
but the way they’ve lost. They didn’t get outplayed in any of these games except the Verlander start. Playing shit defense and lame bullpen work has been the killer. I can stomach offensive slumps, this crap is nonsense.
"It was like everything was slow motion," Wise said. "I stuck my hand out so slowly and was able to make the catch."
by ChicagoPete on Jul 30, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed with that
the bullpen has been fine when the sox are throwing up 5+ runs for them…. give them the 3-2 or 4-3 lead and they cough it up. bullpen will make or break the sox the rest of the year- which is why williams and pena’s outing gave me a little bit of hope.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 30, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well put, Pete.
Well put.
Pitching (check), Hitting (check), Defense (uh, no).
by ballyb on Jul 30, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The offense has been in a slump, too
Bad defense, no offense, and shaky bullpen isn’t going to win you many games.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this year's Sox aren't this past season's Bulls
The only thing worth watching was/is whether or not the new stud won/wins Rookie of the Year.
by ThisIsJustBanter on Jul 30, 2009 1:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
worst.
they’re last yr’s Sox.
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 30, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take that
with this roster.
We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet they could take the Celtics in baseball
Might need six games but still
¡signature!
by billyok on Jul 30, 2009 12:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
id be willing to serve up a few prospects for a haren/upton deal.
also, im pretty sure im sleeping/dreaming right now.
knocked his fucking dick in the dirt! - BuehrleMan
by BoeJouma on Jul 30, 2009 2:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
something to take note of
hayden has been removed from the desktop. emma watson, has resumed her throne
knocked his fucking dick in the dirt! - BuehrleMan
by BoeJouma on Jul 30, 2009 3:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
outstanding!
that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma
by furby2056 on Jul 30, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So much for the chance to bury the Twins
I feel like we came to the Metrodome and asked
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
by Tdogg on Jul 30, 2009 8:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You'd think by now they'd have made some inroads
in terms of dealing with their psychological ineptitude up there. When you’re playing 9 or 10 games a year there, it’s worth examining further and taking some measure to help themselves.
by dantesox on Jul 30, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter too much now.
Sox only have three more games left in there.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2009 8:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That measure would be
Pulling down the pants and examining the section where nuts are supposed to be. Sigh. JRE is right though only 3 games left.
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
by Tdogg on Jul 30, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not statistically significant.
Pitching (check), Hitting (check), Defense (uh, no).
by ballyb on Jul 30, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Tigers have only won 2 more games than the Sox in the Metrodome in the past 2 seasons
How come no one talks about their mental ineptitude?
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're Detroit.
No mental eptitude on which to comment.
We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Part Deux, Cheat...
I especially like the closing paragraph…
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 30, 2009 8:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie
‘’I hate this [bleeping] place,’’ Guillen said, when the subject of the Metrodome came up on Wednesday. ‘’Whoever built this place is bull[bleep].’’
…
‘I want to see the piranhas in a different lake next year,’’ Guillen said. ’’Let’s see those mother [bleepers] hit when it’s 20 degrees outside. They’ll have a little different record at home.’’
I’m not stressing too much, yeah the losses sucked but you never know what will happen.
If there is one thing the KW/Ozzie era has given the Sox fan base, it is a feeling that anything is possible. We may never be the Yankees who expect that no matter what goes wrong, we will be in the playoffs. But personally, after 2005 and 2008, I can’t feel like I did in those years before where you just knew the Sox would go into the long, slow slide and not make it. It felt like this last year and the team surprised us and did something amazing in its own right, culminating in game 163.
Will that happen again? Probably not, but it might. It is not your Cub-fan’s blind hope in a just god, it is a thinking person’s hope, knowing that if it has happened before, it can happen again.
fucking dome
by vince_ on Jul 30, 2009 8:44 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
my brother basically said the same thing as guillen
back in 2006 when they announced a new park in minnesota. Why don’t i remember the sox sucking in the metrodome much when i was a kid? maybe they did and there just wasnt a big deal about it? i dont know. have we ever had a winning record there? i may do research.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 30, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't looked at the records
But the Twins were simply awful from ‘94 until ’01. I’m guessing that the Sox did pretty well at the dome in that time period.
Optimist
by Peder on Jul 30, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Vince
somebody has to stay positive. Its a bad road trip, just be happy your not a pirates season ticket holder. bring on the YAnks
by G-E-T-Z GetzGetzGetz on Jul 30, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, well, well....look what the cat dragged in.
by homesickalien on Jul 30, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who dis?
We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you not LOVE Ozzie Guillen
Chicago, hell baseball will really miss him when he retires…….
"I'm just here to provide street cred and a rosy outlook"- translation - unemployed life coach
by Tdogg on Jul 30, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling more than half of baseball fans will be ecstatic when he is no longer a manager
Just like when AJ retires, it will be a holiday in some parts of the country.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
88-112 since 1982 when the metrodome opened.
it really wasn’t too much of a problem until the 2001 season (the first time i went up there! it is my fault!) we rebounded a little in 2004-2006… but the last couple of years have been god awful.
by the way the first game we played there Dennis Lamp got the W in an 8-7 win with one of my first weird favorites nailing down the save…. Salome Barojas!
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 30, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe he was talking about dennis?
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 30, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the bears have had their woes up in that dome, too, right?
That dome is anti-Chicago and un-american.
fucking dome
by vince_ on Jul 30, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a bears fan.. don't know
If you are truly a hardcore white sox fan you should be anti-Bears since they used to play in Wrigley field….. I cheered for the Cardinals in the superbowl last year because of their White Sox ties.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 30, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my grandfather played for the chicago cardinals back in the day. fucking hated halas.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Jul 30, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most dome teams in the NFL have a nice advantage, not really unique to the Vikings
The Twins have only had one losing season since 2001, so I think the failure has only been a relatively new phenomenon. It made sense with some of the Jerry Manuel teams, but the past 2 seasons the ways they find to lose are mind-boggling.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this will be a good day
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
only problem with that is it will still be the home of the Vikings.
no plans for D-Day yet
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 30, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrigley Field needs this done
coming up for air and about to attack
by left shark on Aug 2, 2009 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a more interesting note
Good story/article on the man who Made the Boxscore
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106891539
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 30, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dead-on with your analysis, The Cheat...
This is essentially a rebuilding year. The fact that the Sox are in contention is gravy. I’m actually pleased with the way things are going this year.
One minor quibble – it’s a brass ring, not a bronze ring. Unless this is some reference I don’t get.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2009 9:56 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
The bronze ring is for third place
Actually, I don’t really know….but I think they can hold on to third with some good deadline acquisitions.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 30, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are some slender men.
Like they should be action figures for toddlers. Very non-threatening.
We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
but the one in third place isnt totally anatomically correct
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 30, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was sort of saying that we'd be trading away prospects for a 3rd place finish.
Took 3 years to find out about disco demolition night.
by Jackkoho on Jul 30, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm.
I don’t quite get that. I don’t think the Tribe or Royals are passing the Sox if the Six stand pat.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2009 10:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No, but I think the team is so flawed that trading the Sox top 5 prospects still won't assure a title
Even were they to keep Beckham and somehow acquire Halladay, it wouldn’t make them the division favorite for what’s left of 2009.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 30, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a decent to good bat out there? I think Q! is unreliable and should be shut down.
It’s foolish to depend on Quentin the rest of the way. Which is why a decent to good bat could provide enough of a push without having to empty out the farm system.
by 67WMAQ on Jul 30, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felix Pie
You know, I would think that the Sox should be able to get him straight-up for Fields. Which would be cool because then they will have turned Fields into another Brian Anderson.
It would enable a host of interesting sociological experiments: did Ozzie not play Brian because he was white? Did Sox fans only complain about Anderson not getting a fair shot because he was white?
But that’s about all I see that deal bringing to the table.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 30, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i do believe that Anderson was loved by sox fans
because he was white. if he was black or latin he would have been called lazy for his bad work ethic led to him not improving at all over the 4 years he’s been here. i have brought this up many times. He was getting more love sitting on the bench than JD gets hitting 35 homers a year.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 30, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I could not have said it any better, rec'd
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
by picktoclick on Jul 30, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he was loved
because he could field better than anyone on the team.
Some people like defense.
Pitching (check), Hitting (check), Defense (uh, no).
by ballyb on Jul 30, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was loved
cuz he put in extra time with the honeys
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Jul 30, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about getting more credit than Dye...
But, the sports radio goons definitely gave Anderson way more slack than they have ever given Alexei.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 30, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely.
Alexei has been a good player on the sox. sure he has made a few fuck ups in the field but his hitting, even this year, has been pretty solid. Anderson was given a pass by most for 4 years…… Alexei is thrown under the bus after a great rookie year and a mediocre first half. If alexei was white he wouldn’t be ridiculed as much as he is.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 30, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is utter horse$h!t, KW.
It’s called a “language barrier”. The guy doesn’t speak English, he’s in a new country for his first full year. However, he’s so “unpopular” that he had a T-Shirt made (that I just mailed out to my ex-roomie’s kid, as we looked up the shirt on Zazzle on Saturday) in his honor. What crap did he get from anyone here (well, other than the regular “his OBP will always suck” from certain seamheads)?
Enough with the “men of color don’t get a break” garbage. If you can communicate to the media, show up at some watering holes with the most popular guys you work with, and appear reasonably attractive, in ANY job you tend to get a pass. Alexei has a wife and 3 kids, hangs out with Count (who ain’t exactly in the public eye very much), and is in his first MLB season at a key position.
Give it up, already.
We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ricky Henderson had a language barrier and made the HOF as a black man.
Yogi and Casy had language barriers and made it as white men.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Jul 30, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They spoke, and it was funny.
No language barrier there. Better to be open to media and sound like an idiot than stay silent.
Plus, these are HOF’s. Not quite comparable.
We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i am not just talking about this site specifically.
listen to some of the post game shows with Rongey…. Anderson got a pass for 4 years because he was white….. if chris young had played the way anderson did he would be accused of being a lazy _ (insert racial slur of your choosing here). look at jerry owens… he got BRUTALIZED (yes some was deserved) but if you take a look at the stats he was a better player than anderson was. Wise had a rough opening day and got HAMMERED by sox fans…. Anderson is not much better and is given a free pass. I am sticking to my argument.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 30, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This might just be me
but why I would always rail against Owens and not Anderson is not race based. It was more around the fact that Owens was given the keys to CF for no real reason while Anderson was just shit on by Ozzie over and over. Hell, remember when he was going to keep Quentin out of the line up to start ’08? It was more on favoritism shown by the organization than anything racial
by Qucifer on Jul 30, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does anyone call any player lazy for bad offense?
alexei gets his from defense. hard to call anderson lazy if you think he’s the best defender on the damn team. nobody really gave him a pass for his offense, just understood that they’d rather have bad offense than mack turning singles and outs into doubles and triples.
by Trooper on Jul 30, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
id say owens was a little more than deserving of his critics than BA.
but either way. were getting a little out of hand for a player that will hit above 275 once in his career. and thats in the national league
by G-E-T-Z GetzGetzGetz on Jul 30, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His hitting has not been 'pretty solid' this year
even after the recovery from his horrific start . . . only in the context of the position he plays can it be considered solid.
And ANY starter that posts this triple slash line (.214/.273/.286) over the first month of the season will get ‘ridiculed’ in some way, just the nature of the business.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jul 30, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anderson puts up numbers like that for his whole career
and everyone loves him
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 30, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true on both accounts
and it was the ‘competition’ in CF that drove most of that . . . there hasn’t been anyone there worth a shit since you know who. Owens was AWFUL in his minor league career . . . old for all levels and unproductive every year except a decent 2005. Wise is a journeyman minor leaguer who turned 200 good BABIP driven ABs in Charlotte last year into a starting gig down the stretch, a MLB contract and a starting gig this year. And all of them received as much if not more of an opportunity than Anderson. You can go right on down the line with everyone for the past 4 years and pretty much make the case that BA was the better player at the time (for whatever little that is worth) than all of them, yet has almost consistently been in a platoon situation at best.
And if you dont think Anderson has been given a hard time this year, you weren’t paying attention because there isn’t anyone left on that bandwagon.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jul 30, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jimmy rollins did that
was very critiqued
Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto
by The_Fan on Jul 30, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who loved him (other than some knuckleheads on this site)?
Ozzie was bitching at him since ’06. He got some pre-season love in ’06 because of the WS trophy the year before juxtaposed with his being given the OD CF spot. Then he proceeded to play his way out of it.
He was not universally “loved” by Sox fans. Plenty of us called for a trade/demotion for the last 3 years.
We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Bally. If this team was constructed right, his no-bat wouldn't have been an issue.
And his defense would have been all that mattered.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Jul 30, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't responding to his non-bat or "fit",
just the contention that he was “loved” by the Sox fan base. I don’t agree he was ’loved" by the majority of Sox fans.
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by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you were disagreeing with KenWo?
Oh.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Jul 30, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you aren't up here to hear the radio discussions....
from 2006 all the way to this year there was a ton of discussion how ozzie hated him for no reason and that Anderson is a good player and wasn’t given his proper chance… it was ridiculous.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 30, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KW, see my post below
of course there was discussion about Anderson ‘not getting’ a real opportunity . . . look at the crap they threw out there instead. I know Mackowiak is one of your favs! When you have a homegrown prospect being ‘blocked’ by crap, discussion and debate happen . . . and then you get conspiracy theories about Ozzie not liking Anderson and the racial stuff. Personally, I dont think Ozzie ever really cared for Anderson at all . . . but race has nothing to do with that either.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jul 30, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with all of that.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Jul 30, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never understood it
Every Sox fan I knew hated him. My dad would be straight up venemous when he would strike out (the only thing he hates worse is DJ and Farmio).
But he would get alot of love on the internet and I would see Anderson jersey’s at the ballpark.
by 815Sox on Jul 30, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He never got
‘more love’ than Dye, that is ridiculous. But he was a homegrown top prospect that seemingly had a lot of potential . . . it is not surprising that you see people wearing his jerseys, etc. All the clamor was always about who was playing in his place . . . i.e. Mackowiak, Erstad, etc. That never made sense to a lot of people. If you are going to throw suck out into CF, might as well be young suck . . . with the hope they maybe they get better and unsuck. Dye has been a mainstay in RF with little/no competition over that same time, so there is no debate there. He has ‘quietly’ done his job, but there is nothing to debate there so its boring. Had the Sox traded Anderson and kept Chris Young, you would have seen much of the same thing with Chris Young.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Jul 30, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How awesome is Beckham?
He worked over Nathan last night. Worked the count, got what he wanted, and laced it for a solid single.
I am so excited for the next 10 years with him somewhere on the infield.
by madvillian on Jul 30, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's under team control for I think the next 5 years
assuming he isn’t involved in any big trades, I’d have to think by the time he’s a FA he’s the face of franchise — would be hard to not sign him from a PR standpoint.
by madvillian on Jul 30, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Sox trade Beckham they really are morons. He’ll be a star whereever he goes.
Phil Burns
by The Mighty Philster on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought this was The Mighty Fister.
Sorry – since I am Catholic, I have already sinned just for that mistake.
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by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats ok wu
all you have to do is have some unprotected sex, drink a few beers and go to confession…all will be forgiven my son
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 30, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Father McDonald?
We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How ???
How can a team play so damned poorly in one ball park (humper dome) for so long? It’s like the Cubs curse attacks the White Sox in Minnesota. Hopefully the new Twins park will be better to the White Sox.
Phil Burns
by The Mighty Philster on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Update on 1983 comparison.
After 92 games tied @ 48 – 44.
Next 8
’83 — 6 – 4.
’09 — 3 – 7.
“Winning Ugly” was a lot more fun than the alternative we’re experiencing.
Pitching (check), Hitting (check), Defense (uh, no).
by ballyb on Jul 30, 2009 11:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
*next 10.
Pitching (check), Hitting (check), Defense (uh, no).
by ballyb on Jul 30, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.600 twice as fun as .300.
I agree ’83 was at least twice as fun as this sawtoothing, sloshing group.
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by winningugly on Jul 30, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the final result with a 3 loss difference?
Trying to stay optimistic!
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Jul 30, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does it seem to anyone else that if teams pitched Alexei low and away on every pitch
he will just get himself out. To be honest ive never seen him hit a ball hard cuz i close my eyes in fear of that long extended home run or die swing.
by G-E-T-Z GetzGetzGetz on Jul 30, 2009 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Taking fly balls...
Was listening to the Twinkies radio broadcast last night and they were marvelling how little fungo practice the Sox take in the dome (given the lights, background, carpet etc.). Pointed out that Harold only hit 8 fly balls to the outfielders and that Pods did not even take the field.
I think the quote was “any team that comes into the Metrodome and doesn’t take fly balls gets what they deserve”.
I’m so glad we don’t need to practice on the carpet.
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Jul 30, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this is dissapointing
Sox have to go and win. I bet Colon hurt himself at the local old country buffet
Carlos Guillen, the Latino Punto
by The_Fan on Jul 30, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he probably got a mosquito bite on his arm and ozzie and KW jumped the chance to dump him
i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry
by blackoutsox on Jul 30, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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