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Per usual, Kenny Williams was wheeling and dealing prior to the trading deadline. First he sent Brandon Allen for Tony Pena and then packaged Aaron Poreda, Clayton Richard, Adam Russell and Dexter Carter for Jake Peavy. So which of these players will the White Sox regret trading the most?

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Which of these players will the White Sox regret trading the most?
Brandon Allen
108 votes
Aaron Poreda
70 votes
Clayton Richard
86 votes
Adam Russell
2 votes
Dexter Carter
21 votes

287 votes | Poll has closed

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went with Allen

though I think Richard, Poreda, and Allen are more or less the same when it comes to risk/upside/etc, Pena is hit or miss himself.

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by colintj on Aug 1, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

allen allen allen

ALLEN!!!

i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry

by blackoutsox on Aug 1, 2009 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

see? player development is easy.
Our area scout Chuck Fox had liked Carter since high school. In 2008 at Old Dominion University, Carter scuffled, going 3-4 with an 8.76 ERA in 12 games. But Fox still liked the kid and liked his arm. He recommended we draft Carter, and we took him in the 13th round despite the poor college season.

Newly signed, Carter reports to Great Falls.

During his very first bullpen session, the kid’s pitches are all over the place.

Curt Hasler, our pitching coach at Great Falls, sees a mechanical problem immediately and makes a suggestion.

He draws a line on the mound and says, “Make sure your foot lands on or past this line.”

Carter, to his credit, makes the adjustment on the very first pitch.

Everyone’s eyes lighted up. We were on to something.

http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/08/a_story_of_dexter_carter.html

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 1, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I went with Richard

Best chance to be a middling starter. Allen has upside but how much? A good first basemen is still a first basemen. I don’t think he’ll ever put up Ryan Howard numbers. I still like Pena seemingly more than everyone else, but not for Allen.

by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 1, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions  

You can see why they like Pena

he appears to have some really good stuff. I know his splits versus lefties are pretty ugly but I think he’s got the stuff to be just fine against them — that fastball appears to have some plus plus movement and so far he’s sitting from 92-94. Definitely agree, though, that giving up Allen for him is a bit of an overpay.

by CWSKeith on Aug 1, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

bristol

freddy 5 IP, 1 H, 2 K, 0 ER
rodriguez 2 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 4 K

shoemaker 0-3
gonzalez 1-3
pangilinan 0-2

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_01_dnvrok_brirok_1&t=g_box&did=milb

by Ryno on Aug 1, 2009 10:20 PM CDT reply actions  

great falls

johnson 5 IP, 4 H, 1 BB, 5 K, 2 ER

ciolli 1-4, RBI
colligan 0-3, BB

by Ryno on Aug 1, 2009 11:11 PM CDT reply actions  

bristol game two

upchurch 5 IP, 9 hits, 0 BB, 1 K.

shoemaker 2-3, 2B

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_01_dnvrok_brirok_2&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 1, 2009 11:31 PM CDT reply actions  

i voted allen

because the larry anderson for jeff bagwell trade frightens me.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 2, 2009 12:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Where you been?

Mostly MIA this week…?

We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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by winningugly on Aug 2, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

transcations

joe serafin (from bristol) and enrique lechuga (from great falls) join kanny.

charlis burdie and dan albritton go to the dash from the intimidators.

johnnie lowe and miguel socolovich join the barons from the dash.

fernando hernandez and matt zaleski were promoted from the barons to the knights.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 2, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

aaaaaaaand

carter goes nowhere

oh wait

i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry

by blackoutsox on Aug 2, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

fields 0-4
armstrong 2-4, 2B, HR

hernandez 1 IP, 1 hit, 0 BB, 1 K.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_02_chraaa_louaaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 2, 2009 8:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Hernandez

looking like a sleeper mid-reliever candidate.

by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 2, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't that an oxymoron?

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Aug 3, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess, if middle reliever

candidates can be considered ‘sleepers’ . . . maybe just labeling them ‘massets’ would be sufficient. Throw Rodriguez in there with Nunez and Santeliz as well.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Aug 3, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

danks 1-4, 2B
cj 2-4
viciedo 2-4
marrero 2-3, 2 HR, SF
shelby 0-3, BB, 2 SB

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_02_mobaax_biraax_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 2, 2009 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

shoemaker 1-4
gonzalez 1-2, 2 BB

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_02_dnvrok_brirok_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 2, 2009 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

gilmore 0-3, BB, SF
black 0-3, 2 BB
phegley 0-5

serafin 4 IP, 2 hits, 4 BB, 7 K, WP

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_02_kanafx_lcoafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 2, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions  

sometimes one should scout the tools, not the stats.

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by larry on Aug 2, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

underperforming

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Aug 3, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

lack of tools.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Aug 3, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hairless and small.

Like marbles.

We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 3, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

**Jared Mitchell Watch: .286/.400/.429 in 13 games for Kannapolis, but with some interesting splits. He’s hitting .323/.432/.516 against right-handers, but just .182/.308/.182 against lefties. Yes, the sample sizes are way too small to mean much at this point, but the platoon differential is worth tracking considering the rawness scouts detected in his game at LSU. He’s drawn eight walks in 50 plate appearances, a strong ratio in line with his college numbers, but has also struck out 14 times, also in line with his college numbers.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/8/3/974097/hit-and-run-august-3-2009

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 3, 2009 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting splits?

Weak against lefties, strong against righties, isn’t that more or less what you would have expected from a still somewhat raw lefty hitter.

by The Big Hurt on Aug 3, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

so then it's something that should be watched to discern when the rawness turns to refinement?

not everything interesting has to be surprising.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 3, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

more troubling is he's hitting .000 in day games.

I say call him up in September and play him in night games against right handers.

Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!

by picktoclick on Aug 3, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I gave this a thumbs down

i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry

by blackoutsox on Aug 3, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish I had more hands

so I could give those titties 4 thumbs down!

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Aug 3, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flowers – who is apparently the motherfucking boogeyman of the southern league

by omnipotent grab on Aug 3, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, saw that on late

the other night and could not resist. One of my absolute favorite TV skits of all time.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Aug 4, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

danks 0-3
cj 1-3, 2B
viciedo 0-3
marrero 0-2

ely 7 IP, 4 hits, 1 BB, 4 K

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_03_mobaax_biraax_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 3, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions  

mollenhauer 1-4
morel 0-2, 2 BB
greene 1-4
kuhn 0-4

infante 3.1 IP, 8 hits, 1 BB, 0 K, HBP, WP

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_03_wilafa_wswafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 3, 2009 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

A Ray Liotta sighting!

I would have thought he was out of baseball by now . . . god knows his acting career is gone as well.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Aug 4, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

egbert 6 IP, 7 hits, 2 BB, 4 K

lillibridge 0-4
fields 1-4
armstrong 0-4

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_03_chraaa_louaaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 3, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions  

barons game two

danks 1-2, HBP
marrero 1-3, HR
viciedo 0-3
shelby 0-2

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_03_mobaax_biraax_2&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 3, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

3 HR in 3 games

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by colintj on Aug 3, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

gilmore 1-3, S
mitchell 1-2, 2 BB
phegley 1-4

http://kannapolis.intimidators.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=t487&t=g_box&gid=2009_08_03_kanafx_lcoafx_1

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 3, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Bring up Mitchell!

;)

We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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by winningugly on Aug 4, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now these are some interesting numbers

Danks -7 runs (that’s a negative 7, not a dash)
Viciedo +3 runs (plus 6 per 150 games)
Shelby (when in centre) +10 runs (an insane +28 per 150 games)
Eduardo Escobar scored highly (it’s a shame he can’t hit)
Jon Gilmore scored very poorly (it’s double a shame he can’t hit)
Beckham was a +6 at SS in very limited action
Brent Morel was basically the same as Dayan

When racking the brain for names to lookup it dawned on me just how few notable hitting prospects we actually have.

by The Big Hurt on Aug 3, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you sure with Danks?

This is what I am looking at (Defense link in the upper righthand corner)… and it seems the -7 is just from his time at W-S… if you take all the data together and average it out based on chances he is only -1.85… or am I doing it wrong?

by CatBrains on Aug 4, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

@ Birmingham +1

Very average — surprising?

But what about F-I-E-L-D-E-R-S?

by ballyb on Aug 4, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Danks.

But what about F-I-E-L-D-E-R-S?

by ballyb on Aug 4, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

so it looks like there's some evidence that he could be a plus defender at 2B or 3B

i assume an above average college/minors SS is an avg-ish major league SS. some time shortly, it looks like he’s going to be the Sox best position player.

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by colintj on Aug 3, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

derek jeter is an awesome defender so far this season, too.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 4, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

it's about a season's worth of data with college and this year's minors

that plus somewhat ambiguous scouting reports, iirc, are all we have. jeter, otoh…

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by colintj on Aug 4, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

which is what 100 games at most?

If we discount half an MLB season, or 80 games, is 100 really that different? Scouting reports are one thing, but actual +/- data (especially above) needs to be taken with a serious grain of salt.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Aug 4, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think i do

i certainly bitch enough about people using UZR for more than it’s capable of. i don’t think i’m really violating the rule, just summing up the (little) evidence to date. it’s not really that hyperbolic to say that beckham should be our best position player shortly. there aren’t any 3+ WAR types outside of possibly Q! and Alexei on the team.

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by colintj on Aug 4, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

anyone who is waiting for a chart to tell him Beckhan is our best position player....

should take up another hobby.

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by picktoclick on Aug 4, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

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by colintj on Aug 4, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

you and larry are right though

i was thinking that was a much larger sample.

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by colintj on Aug 4, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

DB.

Stop thinking. You are hurting the team.

We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site...
continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 4, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha

nice. i’m not breathing out my eyelids right now, y’know?

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by colintj on Aug 4, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

apparently they don't do catchers

couldn’t find flowers

i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry

by blackoutsox on Aug 4, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or any other catchers...

We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site...
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by winningugly on Aug 4, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chicago White Sox
Signed: RHP James Albury (Midwest (Frontier)), RHP Alvaro Garcia
Draft pick signed: OF Trayce Thompson (2)
Released: LHP Mike Johnston, OF Angel Ferreiras
Traded: RHP Dexter Carter, RHP Adam Russell, LHP Aaron Poreda and LHP Clayton Richard to Padres for RHP Jake Peavy
Traded: RHP Murilo Gouvea to Astros for future considerations
Recalled: RHP Jhonny Nunez, RHP Adam Russell, LHP Aaron Poreda, SS Brent Lillibridge, OF Brian Anderson
Added to 40-man roster: LHP Randy Williams
Optioned to Triple-A: 3B Josh Fields, SS Brent Lillibridge
Placed on 7-day DL: RHP Freddy Garcia, C Adam Ricks
Reinstated from DL: RHP Freddy Garcia, RHP Gregory Infante

A native of Brisbane, Australia, Albury signed his first pro contract with the Red Sox in January 2003. The club released him in June 2006 and he had pitched in the Frontier League until signing with Chicago.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=5931#more-5931

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 4, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

lillibridge 0-3, BB, SB
fields 0-3
flowers 0-3

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_04_chraaa_louaaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 4, 2009 10:12 PM CDT reply actions  

hudson 6 IP, 3 hits, 1 BB, 7 K

danks 0-3, BB, SB
cj 1-4
marrero 1-3, BB
shelby 1-3, BB, SB

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_04_mobaax_biraax_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 4, 2009 10:14 PM CDT reply actions  

hudson

wtf?

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Aug 4, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

can't bring him up.....

might damage his id. plus colon’ll be comin off the DL soon enough.

by Hatchetm on Aug 5, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know, thinking the same thing . . . he gave up 3 hits this time

regressing . . . wtf!

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Aug 5, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok... Hudson is starting to take my expectations to scary places

But there is no way he breaks ST 2010 with the team right? But if he doesn’t have any major hiccups in the next month he’s gotta be starting next year in Charlotte, maybe waiting in the wings as a potential 5th starter if/when one of Contreras/Garcia/Colon/Torres flames out?

The way he is getting people out from both sides of the plate… is he using his change-up much on the lefties or is he still just dominating with fastball/slider? I mean if the change-up is effective in AA, can he have that much to prove in AAA?

by CatBrains on Aug 5, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

You haven't heard?

It’s his gyro-knuckle-slurve that he is dominating with.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Aug 5, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rick Hahn mentioned

On The Score the other day that they are going to legitimately look at Hudson as a possible option this year, but I assume that would only be if Count/Colon/Torres fail. I think Torres is the frontrunner for the 5th starters role next year but Hudson’s definitely the wildcard.

by The Big Hurt on Aug 5, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would be nice if Torres steps up a bit

and Hudson could finish this year in AA and get a couple months in AAA to start next year . . . similar to the Tommy Hanson road. A lot of levels to jump in one year . . .

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Aug 5, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

mollenhauer 1-4
greene 0-4
morel 0-4

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_04_wilafa_wswafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 4, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions  

gilmore 1-4
mitchell 2-4, CS
black 2-4, 2B

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_04_kanafx_wvaafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 4, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Bring him up!

Especially the CS. He’ll fit right in.

We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site...
continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 5, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

shoemaker 1-3, 2 BB
gonzalez 2-3, 2B, HR, 2 BB

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_04_kptrok_brirok_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 4, 2009 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

colligan 3-4, 2B

ballinger 5 IP, 5 hits, 2 BB, 3 K, WP

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=g_box&gid=2009_08_04_grfrok_bilrok_1&did=t581&sid=t581

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 4, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Ballinger remind anyone else

of a poor man’s McCulloch?

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Aug 5, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

isn't every organizational filler pitcher an even shittier mcculloch?

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 5, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is there a pitching version of the Josh Vitters rule?

Daniel Hudson, RHP, White Sox (Double-A Birmingham)
Tuesday’s stats: 6 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K
Basically, as long as Hudson keeps putting goose eggs up on the scoreboard, he’s going to keep earning a mention. Now 7-0 in nine starts since his promotion to Double-A, Hudson has fired 26 scoreless innings in his last four outings, while giving up just 12 hits, walking four and striking out 30. With above-average command of above-average stuff, he’s now the best pitching prospect in the system after the Sox sent four arms to the Padres for Jake Peavy.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9340

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 5, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

At this point

Would he have been the best pitching prospect in the system if Poreda was still here?

by Grinder in Training on Aug 5, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

best potential starter

i thought poreda had a chance behind thornton, but that was it

i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry

by blackoutsox on Aug 5, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think you could at least make the argument

when Poreda was drafted, the book on him was big heater and no offspeed stuff. not sure how much has changed at this point. but it’s definitely a point against Hudson that he was drafted relatively late.

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by colintj on Aug 5, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two rounds ahead of Jordan Danks

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by picktoclick on Aug 5, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

relevance?

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by colintj on Aug 5, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

any chance you have any idea what each signed for

and how that would affect their draft round?

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by colintj on Aug 5, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

in my (literally) back of the envelope ranking that i did early last week prior to the trade.

i had put hudson above him. it would have required more thought from me but i was definitely considering it.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 5, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

not sure if you're referring to the poll from last week

but the majority on here seemed to think he was a starter. probably about in line with what scouts and so on thought.

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 5, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

50/50 seems right at this point.

may actually have a bit better of a chance now that he’s with a team that will probably be willing to run him out there longer than the white sox would.

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by larry on Aug 5, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

What'd you vote

I went with Set Up, but I really don’t know how to predict if a pitcher can develop offspeed stuff.

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by colintj on Aug 5, 2009 5:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

i recall writing a front page post on this.

closer.

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by larry on Aug 5, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

link?

cursory search fail.

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by colintj on Aug 5, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

i make about 1.1 front page posts a week, shouldnt be that hard. the peavy trade post.

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by larry on Aug 5, 2009 6:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

What I think is that

when a pitcher has a good fastball, he’s more likely to develop a good breaking pitch at some point. The same things that let them throw a baseball hard velocity-wise should allow them to throw a hard breaking ball. Even if you can’t, a breaking pitch will be made a lot better by the fastball. Thornton’s slider isn’t exactly great, but the fact that he throws his fastball so hard and so often makes hitters take awful swings at it.

by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 5, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poreda needs a change up more than anything

which in theory should be easier to throw than a slider. But he just looked rough in those few outings.

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by colintj on Aug 5, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think for pitchers who throw hard

it’s pretty difficult to develop a good changeup. It might have something to do with leaving it up because of asserting yourself on most pitches. Richard never really could locate his.

by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 5, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

that should be testable, no?

just offhand, Hamels and Danks should count, right? they’ve got plus lefty velo. Poreda wasn’t lighting up the gun any more so than Danks when he was up.

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by colintj on Aug 6, 2009 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

They don't have Richard's velo

Poreda has at least a couple of MPH on them both. It just seems like it’s harder for pitchers that throw hard to have a consistent change, and it’s usually behind a young pitcher’s breaking pitch in development. A good change technique is more difficult, I would guess. There are so many grips, and getting the deception and motion down probably takes a lot of practice. For guys who throw hard, it seems like the same thing that allows them to throw a fastball hard allows them to get good rotation and speed on their breaking pitch.

by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 6, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

gilmore 1-4, HR
mitchell 0-3, BB, SB
phegley 1-3, HBP
black 1-4

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_05_kanafx_wvaafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Aug 5, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Wheels.

We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 5, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

shelby 3-4, 2 2B, BB
cj 2-3, 2 2B, BB, HBP
viciedo 1-5
marrero 2-5, 2B

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_05_mobaax_biraax_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Aug 5, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Sucks for Omogrosso, but he never really projected as a good ML pitcher.

fixed

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by jc2313 on Aug 6, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gartrell too

FutureSox now hearing that Stefan Gartrell has also received a well deserved promotion to Triple-A Charlotte.
http://twitter.com/FutureSox/status/3161649440

by The Big Hurt on Aug 6, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

hooray!

CJ i guess will get there next year.

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by colintj on Aug 6, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

sweet.

not like AA has bothered him in the least.

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by colintj on Aug 6, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am starting to have dreams of a Peavy, Buehrle, Floyd, Danks, Hudson rotation in 2010

I almost want him to hit some road bumps in AAA just to burst my (probably unrealistic) expectations

by CatBrains on Aug 6, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

ciolli 2-5, 2B
colligan 0-4

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=t581&t=g_box&gid=2009_08_05_grfrok_bilrok_1

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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions  

The Nationals acquired first baseman Daryle Ward and outfielder Norris Hopper from the White Sox Triple-A affiliate Charlotte, for cash considerations with both players going to Triple-A Syracuse.

http://masnsports.com/2009/08/nats-acquire-ward-hopper-for-c.html

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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 1:48 PM CDT reply actions  

You're the man.

We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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by winningugly on Aug 6, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

no. i win.

http://www.southsidesox.com/search?order=date&q=ward&type=Comment

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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a tie.

2:48 EDT. I’ll give it to the other guy. Just because no one usually ties you.

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by winningugly on Aug 6, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

ties are nigh impossible when we're dealing with nanoseconds. i'm ahead. i win.

and burying news in a gamethread is bad form, as well.

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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flash trading is soon illegal. You have unfair advantage. YIELD!

And I chided him for burying the lead.

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by winningugly on Aug 6, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Aug 6, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

According to Kevin Towers on MLB homeplate today

The Peavy deal was the same offered to San Diego in may, almost. In May it was Richard, Poreda and a list of 3 other minor league pitchers from which they would pick 2 as PTBNL. Williams withdrew one pitcher from the list in the deadline deal……

Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!

by picktoclick on Aug 6, 2009 6:34 PM CDT reply actions  

that bolsters the suspicion that the padres could have had hudson.

obviously, that makes the deal significantly less valuable if you’re (potentially) swapping russell for hudson.

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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

or Carter......

But you’re right they probably would have taken Hudson and Carter. If Hudson is what we think he may be and can possibly fill the 5th spot next year, we did good!

Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!

by picktoclick on Aug 6, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

thompson 1-3, BB

freddy garcia 6 IP, 5 hits, 0 BB, 6 K

holmberg 2 IP, 0 hits, 1 BB, 4 K

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_08_06_kptrok_brirok_1

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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Freddy getting close to being measured for his old uni.

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by winningugly on Aug 7, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope not

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Aug 7, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Up to Torres.

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by winningugly on Aug 7, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

lillibrdige 0-3, BB
fields 1-4
flowers 2-4, 2B

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_06_chraaa_indaaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 8:39 PM CDT reply actions  

danks 0-4
cj 1-4, 2B
marrero 1-4
viciedo 1-2, IBB
shelby 0-3

looks like with gallagher’s promotion, the marrero at 1B experiment may be winding down.

santeliz perfect IP, 1 K.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_06_tenaax_biraax_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 9:41 PM CDT reply actions  

kuhn 3-5
greene 0-5, PO
mollenhauer 2-5
morel 1-3, 2B, BB

not a pretty night for the pitchers.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_06_frdafa_wswafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 9:43 PM CDT reply actions  

gilmore 3-4, 2B, HBP
mitchell 0-3, 2 BB
black 0-2, 2 BB, HBP
phegley 2-5, HR

bellamy strikes out the side in his only inning.

griffith 6 IP, 8 hits, 1 BB, 2 K, 2 HBP

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_06_kanafx_wvaafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

danks 0-4
cj 1-4
viciedo 1-4
marrero 1-3, 2B, BB
shelby 1-3, BB, SB

shirek 6 IP, 6 hits, 1 BB, 5 K, 1 HBP

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_07_tenaax_biraax_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 7, 2009 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

kuhn 1-3, BB
greene 1-4
mollenhauer 1-3, BB
morel 2-4

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_07_frdafa_wswafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 7, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

gilmore 2-4, HBP
mitchell 1-4, BB
phegley 3-4, BB

serafin 6.1 IP, 6 hits, 0 BB, 6 K

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_07_kanafx_wvaafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 7, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

game 1 for bristol (completes game from 7/28)

holmber 4 IP, 2 hits, 2 BB, 3 K

rodriguez 1 IP, 0 hits, 1 BB, 2 K, WP.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_07_28_gvlrok_brirok_1&t=g_box&did=milb

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 7, 2009 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

game 2 for bristol

thompson 1-3, 2B
shoemaker 1-3

upchurch 5 IP, 4 hits, 2 BB, 5 K, 2 WP

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_07_brirok_gvlrok_1&t=g_box&did=milb

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by larry on Aug 7, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

ciolli 1-3, HBP

wickswat 6 IP, 2 hits, 2 BB, 9 K, WP

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=t581&t=g_box&gid=2009_08_07_misrok_grfrok_1

White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry

by larry on Aug 8, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Love the updates.

Flowers has really raised his average the last week or so.

Any word on if Daniel Hudson was promoted to AAA? I heard a rumor he was, but I don’t see that in any transactions. Cooper was on 670 the other day (either Thurs or Fri) and said that they were considering a AA pitcher for one of the 5th starter spots coming up. I’m sure he was referring to Hudson. If Torres fails and DH continues to pitch well I think they may give him a shot.

by Mattchoo on Aug 8, 2009 12:29 PM CDT reply actions  

he'll be officially called up today or tomorrow.

i imagine it’s likely he’ll pitch tomorrow in indianapolis, if anyone is interested in a road trip to see the white sox’ two top prospects.

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by larry on Aug 8, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

Tonight and tomorrow’s games are available on MILB.TV

Link

by DirtySox on Aug 8, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

get Pete on that.

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by colintj on Aug 8, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

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