White Sox Minor League Update Pours One For Its Homies
by larry on Aug 1, 2009 12:02 PM CDT
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Per usual, Kenny Williams was wheeling and dealing prior to the trading deadline. First he sent Brandon Allen for Tony Pena and then packaged Aaron Poreda, Clayton Richard, Adam Russell and Dexter Carter for Jake Peavy. So which of these players will the White Sox regret trading the most?
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went with Allen
though I think Richard, Poreda, and Allen are more or less the same when it comes to risk/upside/etc, Pena is hit or miss himself.
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by colintj on Aug 1, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
allen allen allen
ALLEN!!!
i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry
by blackoutsox on Aug 1, 2009 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
see? player development is easy.
Our area scout Chuck Fox had liked Carter since high school. In 2008 at Old Dominion University, Carter scuffled, going 3-4 with an 8.76 ERA in 12 games. But Fox still liked the kid and liked his arm. He recommended we draft Carter, and we took him in the 13th round despite the poor college season.
Newly signed, Carter reports to Great Falls.
During his very first bullpen session, the kid’s pitches are all over the place.
Curt Hasler, our pitching coach at Great Falls, sees a mechanical problem immediately and makes a suggestion.
He draws a line on the mound and says, “Make sure your foot lands on or past this line.”
Carter, to his credit, makes the adjustment on the very first pitch.
Everyone’s eyes lighted up. We were on to something.
http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/08/a_story_of_dexter_carter.html
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by larry on Aug 1, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I went with Richard
Best chance to be a middling starter. Allen has upside but how much? A good first basemen is still a first basemen. I don’t think he’ll ever put up Ryan Howard numbers. I still like Pena seemingly more than everyone else, but not for Allen.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 1, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can see why they like Pena
he appears to have some really good stuff. I know his splits versus lefties are pretty ugly but I think he’s got the stuff to be just fine against them — that fastball appears to have some plus plus movement and so far he’s sitting from 92-94. Definitely agree, though, that giving up Allen for him is a bit of an overpay.
by CWSKeith on Aug 1, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
charlotte
torres 6 IP, 5 H, 2 BB, 7 K, 2 ER
flowers 2-4, 2B, R
fields 2-3, HR, R, RBI
by Ryno on Aug 1, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
winston-salem
edwards 7 IP, 3 H, 2 BB, 5 K, 0 ER
mollenhauer 2-4, 2B, R
morel 1-4, 2B, R
kuhn 2-3, RBI
by Ryno on Aug 1, 2009 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
kannapolis
griffith 4.1 IP, 6 H, 2 BB, 1 K, 3 ER
mitchell 0-3, BB
phegley 1-4, 2B, R
by Ryno on Aug 1, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bristol
freddy 5 IP, 1 H, 2 K, 0 ER
rodriguez 2 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 4 K
shoemaker 0-3
gonzalez 1-3
pangilinan 0-2
by Ryno on Aug 1, 2009 10:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i would rather have pena
but i voted 4 allen
Go Huskies!
by Huskies1997 on Aug 1, 2009 10:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
great falls
johnson 5 IP, 4 H, 1 BB, 5 K, 2 ER
ciolli 1-4, RBI
colligan 0-3, BB
by Ryno on Aug 1, 2009 11:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bristol game two
upchurch 5 IP, 9 hits, 0 BB, 1 K.
shoemaker 2-3, 2B
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by larry on Aug 1, 2009 11:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i voted allen
because the larry anderson for jeff bagwell trade frightens me.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 2, 2009 12:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where you been?
Mostly MIA this week…?
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by winningugly on Aug 2, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
transcations
joe serafin (from bristol) and enrique lechuga (from great falls) join kanny.
charlis burdie and dan albritton go to the dash from the intimidators.
johnnie lowe and miguel socolovich join the barons from the dash.
fernando hernandez and matt zaleski were promoted from the barons to the knights.
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by larry on Aug 2, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
aaaaaaaand
carter goes nowhere
oh wait
i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry
by blackoutsox on Aug 2, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fields 0-4
armstrong 2-4, 2B, HR
hernandez 1 IP, 1 hit, 0 BB, 1 K.
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by larry on Aug 2, 2009 8:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hernandez
looking like a sleeper mid-reliever candidate.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 2, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that an oxymoron?
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 3, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess, if middle reliever
candidates can be considered ‘sleepers’ . . . maybe just labeling them ‘massets’ would be sufficient. Throw Rodriguez in there with Nunez and Santeliz as well.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 3, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
danks 1-4, 2B
cj 2-4
viciedo 2-4
marrero 2-3, 2 HR, SF
shelby 0-3, BB, 2 SB
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by larry on Aug 2, 2009 8:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
shoemaker 1-4
gonzalez 1-2, 2 BB
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by larry on Aug 2, 2009 8:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
great falls clinch first half championship
ciolli 0-4
colligan 1-3, BB
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by larry on Aug 2, 2009 8:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
gilmore 0-3, BB, SF
black 0-3, 2 BB
phegley 0-5
serafin 4 IP, 2 hits, 4 BB, 7 K, WP
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by larry on Aug 2, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sometimes one should scout the tools, not the stats.
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by larry on Aug 2, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
underperforming
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Aug 3, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lack of tools.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 3, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hairless and small.
Like marbles.
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by winningugly on Aug 3, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
**Jared Mitchell Watch: .286/.400/.429 in 13 games for Kannapolis, but with some interesting splits. He’s hitting .323/.432/.516 against right-handers, but just .182/.308/.182 against lefties. Yes, the sample sizes are way too small to mean much at this point, but the platoon differential is worth tracking considering the rawness scouts detected in his game at LSU. He’s drawn eight walks in 50 plate appearances, a strong ratio in line with his college numbers, but has also struck out 14 times, also in line with his college numbers.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/8/3/974097/hit-and-run-august-3-2009
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by larry on Aug 3, 2009 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting splits?
Weak against lefties, strong against righties, isn’t that more or less what you would have expected from a still somewhat raw lefty hitter.
by The Big Hurt on Aug 3, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so then it's something that should be watched to discern when the rawness turns to refinement?
not everything interesting has to be surprising.
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by larry on Aug 3, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
more troubling is he's hitting .000 in day games.
I say call him up in September and play him in night games against right handers.
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by picktoclick on Aug 3, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gave this a thumbs down
i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry
by blackoutsox on Aug 3, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I had more hands
so I could give those titties 4 thumbs down!
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 3, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flowers – who is apparently the motherfucking boogeyman of the southern league
by omnipotent grab on Aug 3, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, saw that on late
the other night and could not resist. One of my absolute favorite TV skits of all time.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 4, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
danks 0-3
cj 1-3, 2B
viciedo 0-3
marrero 0-2
ely 7 IP, 4 hits, 1 BB, 4 K
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by larry on Aug 3, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
mollenhauer 1-4
morel 0-2, 2 BB
greene 1-4
kuhn 0-4
infante 3.1 IP, 8 hits, 1 BB, 0 K, HBP, WP
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by larry on Aug 3, 2009 8:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A Ray Liotta sighting!
I would have thought he was out of baseball by now . . . god knows his acting career is gone as well.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 4, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
egbert 6 IP, 7 hits, 2 BB, 4 K
lillibridge 0-4
fields 1-4
armstrong 0-4
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by larry on Aug 3, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
barons game two
danks 1-2, HBP
marrero 1-3, HR
viciedo 0-3
shelby 0-2
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by larry on Aug 3, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
3 HR in 3 games
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by colintj on Aug 3, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gilmore 1-3, S
mitchell 1-2, 2 BB
phegley 1-4
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by larry on Aug 3, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring up Mitchell!
;)
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by winningugly on Aug 4, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mid-season minor league defensive ratings
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/midseason-totalzone-minors/
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by larry on Aug 3, 2009 10:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now these are some interesting numbers
Danks -7 runs (that’s a negative 7, not a dash)
Viciedo +3 runs (plus 6 per 150 games)
Shelby (when in centre) +10 runs (an insane +28 per 150 games)
Eduardo Escobar scored highly (it’s a shame he can’t hit)
Jon Gilmore scored very poorly (it’s double a shame he can’t hit)
Beckham was a +6 at SS in very limited action
Brent Morel was basically the same as Dayan
When racking the brain for names to lookup it dawned on me just how few notable hitting prospects we actually have.
by The Big Hurt on Aug 3, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure with Danks?
This is what I am looking at (Defense link in the upper righthand corner)… and it seems the -7 is just from his time at W-S… if you take all the data together and average it out based on chances he is only -1.85… or am I doing it wrong?
by CatBrains on Aug 4, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
@ Birmingham +1
Very average — surprising?
But what about F-I-E-L-D-E-R-S?
by ballyb on Aug 4, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so it looks like there's some evidence that he could be a plus defender at 2B or 3B
i assume an above average college/minors SS is an avg-ish major league SS. some time shortly, it looks like he’s going to be the Sox best position player.
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by colintj on Aug 3, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
derek jeter is an awesome defender so far this season, too.
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by larry on Aug 4, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's about a season's worth of data with college and this year's minors
that plus somewhat ambiguous scouting reports, iirc, are all we have. jeter, otoh…
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by colintj on Aug 4, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is what 100 games at most?
If we discount half an MLB season, or 80 games, is 100 really that different? Scouting reports are one thing, but actual +/- data (especially above) needs to be taken with a serious grain of salt.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 4, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think i do
i certainly bitch enough about people using UZR for more than it’s capable of. i don’t think i’m really violating the rule, just summing up the (little) evidence to date. it’s not really that hyperbolic to say that beckham should be our best position player shortly. there aren’t any 3+ WAR types outside of possibly Q! and Alexei on the team.
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by colintj on Aug 4, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone who is waiting for a chart to tell him Beckhan is our best position player....
should take up another hobby.
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by picktoclick on Aug 4, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you and larry are right though
i was thinking that was a much larger sample.
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by colintj on Aug 4, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DB.
Stop thinking. You are hurting the team.
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by winningugly on Aug 4, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or maybe: when's the other shoe going to drop?
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by colintj on Aug 3, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently they don't do catchers
couldn’t find flowers
i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
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by blackoutsox on Aug 4, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or any other catchers...
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by winningugly on Aug 4, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago White Sox
Signed: RHP James Albury (Midwest (Frontier)), RHP Alvaro Garcia
Draft pick signed: OF Trayce Thompson (2)
Released: LHP Mike Johnston, OF Angel Ferreiras
Traded: RHP Dexter Carter, RHP Adam Russell, LHP Aaron Poreda and LHP Clayton Richard to Padres for RHP Jake Peavy
Traded: RHP Murilo Gouvea to Astros for future considerations
Recalled: RHP Jhonny Nunez, RHP Adam Russell, LHP Aaron Poreda, SS Brent Lillibridge, OF Brian Anderson
Added to 40-man roster: LHP Randy Williams
Optioned to Triple-A: 3B Josh Fields, SS Brent Lillibridge
Placed on 7-day DL: RHP Freddy Garcia, C Adam Ricks
Reinstated from DL: RHP Freddy Garcia, RHP Gregory Infante
A native of Brisbane, Australia, Albury signed his first pro contract with the Red Sox in January 2003. The club released him in June 2006 and he had pitched in the Frontier League until signing with Chicago.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=5931#more-5931
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by larry on Aug 4, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lillibridge 0-3, BB, SB
fields 0-3
flowers 0-3
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by larry on Aug 4, 2009 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hudson 6 IP, 3 hits, 1 BB, 7 K
danks 0-3, BB, SB
cj 1-4
marrero 1-3, BB
shelby 1-3, BB, SB
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by larry on Aug 4, 2009 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
can't bring him up.....
might damage his id. plus colon’ll be comin off the DL soon enough.
by Hatchetm on Aug 5, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, thinking the same thing . . . he gave up 3 hits this time
regressing . . . wtf!
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 5, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok... Hudson is starting to take my expectations to scary places
But there is no way he breaks ST 2010 with the team right? But if he doesn’t have any major hiccups in the next month he’s gotta be starting next year in Charlotte, maybe waiting in the wings as a potential 5th starter if/when one of Contreras/Garcia/Colon/Torres flames out?
The way he is getting people out from both sides of the plate… is he using his change-up much on the lefties or is he still just dominating with fastball/slider? I mean if the change-up is effective in AA, can he have that much to prove in AAA?
by CatBrains on Aug 5, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You haven't heard?
It’s his gyro-knuckle-slurve that he is dominating with.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 5, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rick Hahn mentioned
On The Score the other day that they are going to legitimately look at Hudson as a possible option this year, but I assume that would only be if Count/Colon/Torres fail. I think Torres is the frontrunner for the 5th starters role next year but Hudson’s definitely the wildcard.
by The Big Hurt on Aug 5, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be nice if Torres steps up a bit
and Hudson could finish this year in AA and get a couple months in AAA to start next year . . . similar to the Tommy Hanson road. A lot of levels to jump in one year . . .
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 5, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mollenhauer 1-4
greene 0-4
morel 0-4
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by larry on Aug 4, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
gilmore 1-4
mitchell 2-4, CS
black 2-4, 2B
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by larry on Aug 4, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring him up!
Especially the CS. He’ll fit right in.
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by winningugly on Aug 5, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shoemaker 1-3, 2 BB
gonzalez 2-3, 2B, HR, 2 BB
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by larry on Aug 4, 2009 10:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
colligan 3-4, 2B
ballinger 5 IP, 5 hits, 2 BB, 3 K, WP
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by larry on Aug 4, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ballinger remind anyone else
of a poor man’s McCulloch?
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 5, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't every organizational filler pitcher an even shittier mcculloch?
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by larry on Aug 5, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carter and Poreda made their first starts as Pads
Carter:
3.1 IP, 9 H, 6 ER, 3 BB, 5 K.
Poreda:
4 IP, 6 H, 5 ER, 3 BB, 5 K
by The Big Hurt on Aug 4, 2009 11:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A or A+ for Carter?
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by colintj on Aug 4, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a pitching version of the Josh Vitters rule?
Daniel Hudson, RHP, White Sox (Double-A Birmingham)
Tuesday’s stats: 6 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K
Basically, as long as Hudson keeps putting goose eggs up on the scoreboard, he’s going to keep earning a mention. Now 7-0 in nine starts since his promotion to Double-A, Hudson has fired 26 scoreless innings in his last four outings, while giving up just 12 hits, walking four and striking out 30. With above-average command of above-average stuff, he’s now the best pitching prospect in the system after the Sox sent four arms to the Padres for Jake Peavy.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9340
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by larry on Aug 5, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At this point
Would he have been the best pitching prospect in the system if Poreda was still here?
by Grinder in Training on Aug 5, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
best potential starter
i thought poreda had a chance behind thornton, but that was it
i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry
by blackoutsox on Aug 5, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you could at least make the argument
when Poreda was drafted, the book on him was big heater and no offspeed stuff. not sure how much has changed at this point. but it’s definitely a point against Hudson that he was drafted relatively late.
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by colintj on Aug 5, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two rounds ahead of Jordan Danks
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by picktoclick on Aug 5, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
relevance?
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by colintj on Aug 5, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
any chance you have any idea what each signed for
and how that would affect their draft round?
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by colintj on Aug 5, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i reallly enjoy the fact that you respond to almost every single comment from the uninformed posters.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 5, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i respond to pretty much everything
regardless of the poster. closing in on 20k, yo.
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by colintj on Aug 5, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in my (literally) back of the envelope ranking that i did early last week prior to the trade.
i had put hudson above him. it would have required more thought from me but i was definitely considering it.
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by larry on Aug 5, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
considering that poreda wasn't even getting a majority opinion on if he could be a starter, i'd say the argument for hudson has validity.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 5, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure if you're referring to the poll from last week
but the majority on here seemed to think he was a starter. probably about in line with what scouts and so on thought.
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by larry on Aug 5, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, majority was a bad word choice. i just meant to say that poreda as a starter hasn't been a given.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 5, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
50/50 seems right at this point.
may actually have a bit better of a chance now that he’s with a team that will probably be willing to run him out there longer than the white sox would.
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by larry on Aug 5, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What'd you vote
I went with Set Up, but I really don’t know how to predict if a pitcher can develop offspeed stuff.
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by colintj on Aug 5, 2009 5:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i recall writing a front page post on this.
closer.
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by larry on Aug 5, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
link?
cursory search fail.
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by colintj on Aug 5, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i make about 1.1 front page posts a week, shouldnt be that hard. the peavy trade post.
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by larry on Aug 5, 2009 6:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
What I think is that
when a pitcher has a good fastball, he’s more likely to develop a good breaking pitch at some point. The same things that let them throw a baseball hard velocity-wise should allow them to throw a hard breaking ball. Even if you can’t, a breaking pitch will be made a lot better by the fastball. Thornton’s slider isn’t exactly great, but the fact that he throws his fastball so hard and so often makes hitters take awful swings at it.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 5, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poreda needs a change up more than anything
which in theory should be easier to throw than a slider. But he just looked rough in those few outings.
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by colintj on Aug 5, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think for pitchers who throw hard
it’s pretty difficult to develop a good changeup. It might have something to do with leaving it up because of asserting yourself on most pitches. Richard never really could locate his.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 5, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that should be testable, no?
just offhand, Hamels and Danks should count, right? they’ve got plus lefty velo. Poreda wasn’t lighting up the gun any more so than Danks when he was up.
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by colintj on Aug 6, 2009 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't have Richard's velo
Poreda has at least a couple of MPH on them both. It just seems like it’s harder for pitchers that throw hard to have a consistent change, and it’s usually behind a young pitcher’s breaking pitch in development. A good change technique is more difficult, I would guess. There are so many grips, and getting the deception and motion down probably takes a lot of practice. For guys who throw hard, it seems like the same thing that allows them to throw a fastball hard allows them to get good rotation and speed on their breaking pitch.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 6, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't chart development?
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by picktoclick on Aug 5, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf/scholars/czerny/articles/calculatingMLEs.htm
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by colintj on Aug 5, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gilmore 1-4, HR
mitchell 0-3, BB, SB
phegley 1-3, HBP
black 1-4
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by larry on Aug 5, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wheels.
We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site...
continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 5, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shelby 3-4, 2 2B, BB
cj 2-3, 2 2B, BB, HBP
viciedo 1-5
marrero 2-5, 2B
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by larry on Aug 5, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sucks for Omogrosso, but he never really projected as a good ML pitcher.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 6, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sucks for Omogrosso, but he never really projected as a good ML pitcher.
fixed
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 6, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gartrell too
FutureSox now hearing that Stefan Gartrell has also received a well deserved promotion to Triple-A Charlotte.
http://twitter.com/FutureSox/status/3161649440
by The Big Hurt on Aug 6, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am starting to have dreams of a Peavy, Buehrle, Floyd, Danks, Hudson rotation in 2010
I almost want him to hit some road bumps in AAA just to burst my (probably unrealistic) expectations
by CatBrains on Aug 6, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ciolli 2-5, 2B
colligan 0-4
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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Nationals acquired first baseman Daryle Ward and outfielder Norris Hopper from the White Sox Triple-A affiliate Charlotte, for cash considerations with both players going to Triple-A Syracuse.
http://masnsports.com/2009/08/nats-acquire-ward-hopper-for-c.html
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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 1:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're the man.
We’re a pack of a-holes. by rhythm on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site...
continues.by ReservoirDog on Jul 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 6, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no. i win.
http://www.southsidesox.com/search?order=date&q=ward&type=Comment
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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a tie.
2:48 EDT. I’ll give it to the other guy. Just because no one usually ties you.
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by winningugly on Aug 6, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ties are nigh impossible when we're dealing with nanoseconds. i'm ahead. i win.
and burying news in a gamethread is bad form, as well.
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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flash trading is soon illegal. You have unfair advantage. YIELD!
And I chided him for burying the lead.
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by winningugly on Aug 6, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and ban the short sales, god damn it!
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 6, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you fucking speculators ruin everything!
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by colintj on Aug 6, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.
by Marlafar on Aug 6, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trayce thompson will debut tonight for bristol.
in CF, batting sixth.
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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 6:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
According to Kevin Towers on MLB homeplate today
The Peavy deal was the same offered to San Diego in may, almost. In May it was Richard, Poreda and a list of 3 other minor league pitchers from which they would pick 2 as PTBNL. Williams withdrew one pitcher from the list in the deadline deal……
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by picktoclick on Aug 6, 2009 6:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that bolsters the suspicion that the padres could have had hudson.
obviously, that makes the deal significantly less valuable if you’re (potentially) swapping russell for hudson.
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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Carter......
But you’re right they probably would have taken Hudson and Carter. If Hudson is what we think he may be and can possibly fill the 5th spot next year, we did good!
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
by picktoclick on Aug 6, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thompson 1-3, BB
freddy garcia 6 IP, 5 hits, 0 BB, 6 K
holmberg 2 IP, 0 hits, 1 BB, 4 K
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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 8:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Freddy getting close to being measured for his old uni.
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by winningugly on Aug 7, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope not
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 7, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Up to Torres.
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by winningugly on Aug 7, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lillibrdige 0-3, BB
fields 1-4
flowers 2-4, 2B
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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
danks 0-4
cj 1-4, 2B
marrero 1-4
viciedo 1-2, IBB
shelby 0-3
looks like with gallagher’s promotion, the marrero at 1B experiment may be winding down.
santeliz perfect IP, 1 K.
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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
kuhn 3-5
greene 0-5, PO
mollenhauer 2-5
morel 1-3, 2B, BB
not a pretty night for the pitchers.
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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 9:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
gilmore 3-4, 2B, HBP
mitchell 0-3, 2 BB
black 0-2, 2 BB, HBP
phegley 2-5, HR
bellamy strikes out the side in his only inning.
griffith 6 IP, 8 hits, 1 BB, 2 K, 2 HBP
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by larry on Aug 6, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
poreda ranked second best overall prospect traded at deadline
according to fangraphs.
also, he throws 100 mph! who knew?
by Ryno on Aug 7, 2009 4:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's not like there's data available that tracks fastball velocity, alright?
leave him alone!
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by colintj on Aug 7, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flowers 3-3, BB
armstrong 2-4
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by larry on Aug 7, 2009 10:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
danks 0-4
cj 1-4
viciedo 1-4
marrero 1-3, 2B, BB
shelby 1-3, BB, SB
shirek 6 IP, 6 hits, 1 BB, 5 K, 1 HBP
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by larry on Aug 7, 2009 10:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
kuhn 1-3, BB
greene 1-4
mollenhauer 1-3, BB
morel 2-4
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by larry on Aug 7, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
gilmore 2-4, HBP
mitchell 1-4, BB
phegley 3-4, BB
serafin 6.1 IP, 6 hits, 0 BB, 6 K
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by larry on Aug 7, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
game 1 for bristol (completes game from 7/28)
holmber 4 IP, 2 hits, 2 BB, 3 K
rodriguez 1 IP, 0 hits, 1 BB, 2 K, WP.
White Sox Minor League Updates: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry
by larry on Aug 7, 2009 10:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
game 2 for bristol
thompson 1-3, 2B
shoemaker 1-3
upchurch 5 IP, 4 hits, 2 BB, 5 K, 2 WP
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by larry on Aug 7, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Any word on Peavy's first rehab start? I thought I saw something on ESPN's scroll but wasn't completely certain...
by CWSKeith on Aug 7, 2009 10:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
supposedly thursday
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090807&content_id=6301318&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
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by larry on Aug 7, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ciolli 1-3, HBP
wickswat 6 IP, 2 hits, 2 BB, 9 K, WP
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by larry on Aug 8, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Love the updates.
Flowers has really raised his average the last week or so.
Any word on if Daniel Hudson was promoted to AAA? I heard a rumor he was, but I don’t see that in any transactions. Cooper was on 670 the other day (either Thurs or Fri) and said that they were considering a AA pitcher for one of the 5th starter spots coming up. I’m sure he was referring to Hudson. If Torres fails and DH continues to pitch well I think they may give him a shot.
by Mattchoo on Aug 8, 2009 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he'll be officially called up today or tomorrow.
i imagine it’s likely he’ll pitch tomorrow in indianapolis, if anyone is interested in a road trip to see the white sox’ two top prospects.
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by larry on Aug 8, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
get Pete on that.
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by colintj on Aug 8, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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