Alex Rios Is A Gamble Worth Taking
I could probably write a few thousand words explaining why the White Sox waiver claim of Alex Rios was a great move -- and I just might by the time this post is finished -- but my best snap-judgement would just be a restating of what's been written plenty of places around the web, none more concisely than by NBC Sports' Matthew Pouiliot.
Score another one for Kenny Williams. It almost never happens that players as talented Alex Rios can be acquired without surrendering anything in return. The White Sox didn't even have to outbid 29 teams or surrender a draft pick. In Rios, they brought in a player who is about to start getting expensive, but one who figures to age well and live up to his contract.
The Jays can point to the fact that Rios' numbers have dipped in an effort to justify the move, and it is entirely possible that his OPS will end up declining for a third straight year this season. However, Rios is more than just his OPS. He's a legitimate center fielder who had no business being shoved to a corner for a declining Vernon Wells. He's a very durable player whose only DL stint in six years as a major leaguer came about because of an infected leg. He's an excellent basestealer, succeeding on 82 percent of his attempts over the last three years.
Rios will make $9.7 million next year and then $49 million over the following four years, so it's not a move without risk for the White Sox. Still, his durability and defensive value makes a collapse very unlikely. Even if he wanders aimlessly and never lives up to his potential, his athleticism should guarantee that he's something close to an average regular. It's more likely that he'll have a couple of All-Star campaigns in Chicago and prove to be a modest bargain.
Players of Rios' caliber don't exchange hands without something going in the other way in return. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is the largest waiver claim (in terms of salary left on a player's contract) in major league history. Rios was only available because of Toronto's current financial state, which was almost entirely their own doing.
J.P. Riccardi painted himself into a corner when he wasn't able to extract maximum value from the Roy Halladay trade discussions. He still had one completely unmovable contract on the roster (Vernon Wells), and not enough money to keep Halladay, Rios and Wells around going forward. Oh, and he still has to cover the rest of the B.J. R yan contract. Riccardi could probably use that contract-management resume to land himself a nice gig at [insert bailed out bank here].
There's no doubt that Kenny has taken a gamble here. But that gamble is not on Alex Rios, it's on the US economy and White Sox fans. He's built a team that can make a run at the division title this year, and then make a playoff run. He's built a team that figures to be the early AL Central favorite next year, and then keep reloading with some high-upside talent from the farm.
Williams has his eyes on the horizon. As with the Jake Peavy deal, the Rios acquisition isn't just about the next 8 weeks; it's about the next few years.
Williams has almost treated the last two weeks as a quasi-free agent period. Part of the rationale for the Peavy trade was that the White Sox would be unable to get a pitcher of his caliber on the free agent market, which can be applied to this deal as well. There weren't going to be any 3 WAR center fielders on the open market this year. And even if there were, those hypothetical center fielders were unlikely to land with the Sox and would most-likely be on the wrong side of 30.
I refer to Rios as a center fielder because that's what he is. Yes, he played right field in Toronto because of the presence of the gold-glove winning, though inferior for the last 3 seasons, Wells. But Rios is fully capable of playing a major league center field, where his career near-.800 OPS plays much more respectably.
An .800 OPS doesn't sound like much, but White Sox center fielders have combined for a .224/.282/.314 batting line this season, and have OPSed under .752 every year since '04. To put it another way, the last two times the Sox have gotten an average production from their CFers, '05 (Aaron Rowand) and '07 (when Nick Swisher got a majority of the reps and the 4th/5th guys slugged well) they've made the playoffs. More often than not in recent years, the White Sox have punted the CF position, which has led to a deification of Rowand and some to criticize Jim Thome for that which he can not control.
Of course those are probably the same people who reacted to news of the pickup with cries of "where will he play?" or "Who will leadoff?," which may as well be phrased "What are we supposed to do with all these good players?"
Rios should be the Sox starting CFer, and it's likely he'll get most of his starts there. But it's more likely that he'll be moved around much like Nick Swisher last year after the Ken Griffey Jr. trade. With the past and present leg issues of the Sox pre-Rios starting outfield, it's hard to argue with rotating playing time (though I think we all know which pixie-dealin'-with-the-devil should see the largest reduction).
For the first time this year, for the first time probably since '06, I'm relatively happy with the White Sox roster. Sure they've got some issues with the back end of the rotation right now. But they've gone through a staggering number of changes since the low point of the season which was arguably the day before the blogger appreciation suite nightback in May. I've consistently called the Sox mediocre this year, and perhaps my malaise over the last week or so has been because I no longer believed the talent-level was mediocre, only the performance.
Now there's no denying it. With Jake Peavy on the mound and Alex Rios filling the last glaring offensive weakness, the White Sox are a good team. Now it's time to play like one.
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See, I told you I'd get wrapped up writing about the non-trade. I've gotten this far and haven't even written the main point I wanted to make, the one you probably won't see written anywhere else.
When I wrote about the Peavy deal, I noted that although the Sox were picking up a hefty contract, they still had plenty of payroll flexibility going forward. Now that they add the nearly $10M salary of Rios next year, they have a little less. Take a look at the White Sox Payroll Spreadsheet and you'll see the Sox have nearly $70M in contracts committed to the '10 team. Add in the arbitration-eligible guys and you'll quickly be approaching $85M. That doesn't leave a whole lot of room to find a decent DH (Thome is a free agent) and 3rd OFer (Dye has a $12M option).
Not only that, but the Sox are well over $100M this year. I'm not sure of the exact figure -- there are lots of pro-rata deals where KW picked up salary -- but it doesn't really matter. Williams admitted that the Sox now lie "over-budget," an area I'm sure many teams occupy right now, but none of them got there by making the type of moves as Kenny.
Sometimes you have to zig while everyone else is zagging. Kenny Williams seems to be the only GM in baseball looking to take on big contracts during these uncertain economic times. He's taking a gamble that acquisitions of Peavy and Rios will pay for themselves, that the team will make a playoff run, and most of all that White Sox fans will come out to the park.
That's where you come in, or where we come in, I should say. If you want the Sox to keep their two big sluggers who may depart after this season, or if you want them to be able to be players on the free agent market, show up. If you weren't planning to go to a game for the rest of the season, make it out for one. If you were planning on making one more trip to USCF, why not make it two? You get the picture.
Let's support this team not just for their play on the field this season, but to keep giving the GM with the biggest balls in the game the opportunity to swing for the fences.
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excellent write, thank you
my guess is with arb players, we’ll be at 90-95 million for next year which means no Figgns :(
i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry
I applaud Cheat for posting this during 8th inning.....
helps illustrate the point that if we win the division that’s great, but that if we don’t it’s just really not that big of deal…….FUTURE.
cheat needs sleep
no recap tonight, I decided that in the 3rd. I told myself I was only recapping a no-hitter, perfect game or a walk-off, and since we’re on the road… I had decided by the 4th
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apparently this deal resulted in kenny losing $56
h/t to mouzone
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4390120
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
kdub was caught jaywalking, haha
at least he wasn’t thrown into jail, maybe redneck peavy can learn something from this
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Got to be the largest waiver claim ever.
In terms of the quality of player received and contract situation. Can’t think of another.
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by Shoeless In SC on Aug 10, 2009 11:59 PM CDT reply actions
we can obtain front line starters and CFers
but not going to win many ballgames with our current bullpen. that allen trade for pena still bothers me. i cringe every time linestink enters. not very confident in journeyman williams. tremendous reliance on carrasco to fill our back end rotation ineptitude. no telling yet if jenks will return to form. did i mention that the pena trade was upsettig?
hopefully rios shores up our horrible outfiled D, nix and his errors remain off the field and buehrle/contreras shakes out of it.
by The Scoper on Aug 11, 2009 12:06 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
You're all spelling it wrong!
FSF!
Everybody forgets Steve Fisher.
*beverage spills*
Ed Farmer: "Is it raining in here?"
Steve Stone: "I've made an egregious mistake."
hobby was an enigma, so i wouldn't say fuck him outright
but he had to go, ozzie had enough of him. we could have used him to eat up innings this year, and maybe the division would have been more a sure thing had he been here. but we wouldn’t have had the flexibility to get peavy and rios and compete the next couple years. and because the tallest midgest hasn’t sprouted yet, we can still compete with what we have.
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
With Swisher on the team this year
KW would not have signed Pods to be in center. It ended up working out more in our favor because of the need for Podsednik.
Now that Pods has had his soul collected, we no longer need him to keep pressing his athleticism. After batting well over .300 in May and June (.307 and .319), he has regressed for the last two months (something we have seen before) with a subpar performance both in the batters box and on the field (July .267 and August .282).
I go home and get in her face - Pods
was talking about hobby, not FNS
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I talked with someone about a month ago about Pods' higher contact rates without a drop in BABIP.
Is he still taking the slasher approach? Is he making contact any less? Is he being less successful with his contact? Is he still managing to walk as much?
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calculated his BABIP
May and June: .336
July and August: .316
Im gonna check out his xBABIP for those spans in a sec
He still attempts to run and swing at the same time taking the Ichiro approach every once in a while at the plate. His BBs are down from that period.
I go home and get in her face - Pods
hes striking out more.
except for June his ‘speed’ has netted as many outs as SB.
FSP!
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
FSP
But I still think he should be a member of the White Sox in 2010 as a 4th OF. Who knows, if Q! plays more like an unhealthy Q? in 2010 then we might be seeing more of FSP in the outfield.
I go home and get in her face - Pods
As long as he's cheap
He couldn’t be much worse than most 4th outfielders even if he does regress he’s probably a solid enough option. Left handed, can do some small things.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 11, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I am banking on the idea that he will be cheap
just like his wife
I go home and get in her face - Pods
But we would allready have two guys capable of playing center in Pods and Kotsay
They are also both lefty. I know the lore of DWise will never be erased from my memory because of The Catch, but he does not replace Pods or Kotsay on the bench.
I go home and get in her face - Pods
neither Pods nor Kotsay are capable CFers.
perhaps Wise isn’t, but I’d like to think Kenny knew what he was doing sticking him there.
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Kenny puts the pieces there
Ozzie makes the lineups. Pods has outplayed Wise this year with his bat moving him into contention for a spot in 2010. Wise might get a shot at returning because Kotsay could play anywhere on the field, but I still think he plays second fiddle to a Pods or a Kotsay.
I go home and get in her face - Pods
The other night
Hawk said Kotsay was a fabulous CFer.
But what about F-I-E-L-D-E-R-S?
He probably was.
*beverage spills*
Ed Farmer: "Is it raining in here?"
Steve Stone: "I've made an egregious mistake."
It most certainly was not. Boston won the World Series. Any time that happens, it's a bad year.
*beverage spills*
Ed Farmer: "Is it raining in here?"
Steve Stone: "I've made an egregious mistake."
you from new york?
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Shit no; south side. Just hate Red Sox fans.
*beverage spills*
Ed Farmer: "Is it raining in here?"
Steve Stone: "I've made an egregious mistake."
i really think the step and slash thing is/was mostly for show.
his swing looks better to me. in ‘05 he had barely any load at all and slapped at everything. now he’s holding the bat upright and appears to be loading and turning better. if he had that swing earlier in his career, he’d have been less of a footnote, imo. dare i say…a Greg Walker success story?
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New nickname: Slash! (And Lisa can be "Gash". It works.)
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by winningugly on Aug 11, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
ha
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
On going to more games at USCF
I’ll go for that.
I'm not practiced or skilled with this, but allow me to compare Rios to Granderson.
Rios is less than a month older. For his career, he has slugged about fifty points lower, and has an OBP about fifteen points lower. Granderson has a bit more pop and hits more triples, while Rios steals a bit more.
So, whatever all that means, I’m not smart enough to figure out. One thing I do know is that Rios is about 50 points lower than last year on BABIP, which suggests his “down year” may be as much bad luck as anything else.
*beverage spills*
Ed Farmer: "Is it raining in here?"
Steve Stone: "I've made an egregious mistake."
It was probably covered in the Rios thread, but Kenny said
He’s been watching Rios all year, and he’s been hitting a ton of line drives right at people. Didn’t use BABIP specifically, or “bad luck”, but his point was exactly yours.
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by Chiburb on Aug 11, 2009 4:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure he would have said the same about Swish last year
It’s just that with Swish we had other issues to deal with…
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I find it funny that he's talked about as much as he is...still
But I’m glad in a way b/c it allows you to chime in with a FNS!
This also seems like it could be an opportune time to do some line-up shifting. Q and JD switching places, for example.
*beverage spills*
Ed Farmer: "Is it raining in here?"
Steve Stone: "I've made an egregious mistake."
Think you're right on that one
JD’s production has been pretty weak the last 10 games while Q has started to turn the corner. Looks like he’s in pain every time he gets to 2nd but not really bothering his stroke. Return Q! to his rightful throne and reap the rewards
Can we officially declare that Chris Young, that can't-miss prospect, missed?
Chris Young, whom the Sox traded after the 2005 season because they thought Brian Anderson would be their center fielder of the future, was optioned to Triple-A Reno.
Young, who is in the midst of a five-year, $28 million contract he signed in April of 2008, was batting .194 with seven home runs and 28 RBIs in 103 games. He hit 32 home runs and stole 27 bases in 2007.
fucking dome
We won that trade...no doubt...
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I was mad when Young was traded, but...
…once again, Kenny’s evaluation of his prospects worked out for the Sox. Maybe Fautino de los Santos recovers someday to regret, but so far no departing prospect is someone to miss.
Now that Rios is here for the next half decade, I wonder what value KW will get for whatever combination of Jordan Danks, John Shelby, Jared Mitchell & Trayce Thompson he’ll put on the market over the next year and a half.
I wouldn't Rule Q out to DH long term, leaving us just Rios in the OF
And in that case you’d need at least two OF’s of that group to pan out (which is probably pretty optimistic). Shelby is really only projected to be a back up at best. I’m not saying we won’t get rid of all of them, it is Kenny Williams after all, but we could probably use at least Mitchell and Danks or Thompson.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 11, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Danks and Mitchell and Rios
sounds good to me for 2011. I could see Dye being back through some restructuring. Thome too on the cheap. Who else would sign him? We’ll have to wait and see I suppose.
I knew Young was a K machine so I didnt sweat that trade too much, but he did look good in ’07.
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
Counting on Danks and Mitchell
to both be quality starting OF is a bit risky . . . and both in 2011, even moreso. Unlikely.
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I was trying to be nice, but yes it is
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
its not always about the numbers!
mumbles mumbles real fan something mumbles, assholes!
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
THEE EYEZ!
When life gives you lemons, just say "Fuck the lemons," and bail.
by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Mitchell will be a league regular
not sold on Danks yet
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
I was going the opposite way on that.
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by winningugly on Aug 11, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
too easy
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
happen to agree with you there
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
what sold you on Mitchell?
they have similar skill sets, though Mitchell has the better pedigree as a 1st round pick and is younger than Danks was at the same stage.
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mostly my gut.
I did watch the CWS but thats a small sample size.
I dont know, I guess the same thing that told me Delmon Young sucked when he was pretty much the #1 prospect in baseball when I saw him man right field vs the Sand Gnats a few years ago.
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
We'd have one of the best defensive outfields in the league if nothing else.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 11, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
seems to be working for the mariners
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
Nuh-uh.
When life gives you lemons, just say "Fuck the lemons," and bail.
by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
i was supposed to ask you if you had the garlic fries.
the mrs. says they are to die for.
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
Yeah, I get them every time. It's like an entire jar of minced garlic thrown over french fries. Once the fries are gone, you still have a mound of garlic.
mmmmmmmmm
When life gives you lemons, just say "Fuck the lemons," and bail.
by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
No tonsil hockey for you last night,
but no vampires, either. So there’s that.
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by winningugly on Aug 11, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah just read your other post
no vampires for Nix penis either, wu.
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
he's had nearly three full seasons
so far he’s posted a .320 wOBA and a -4 UZR in CF. that’s a 1 WAR average for his age 23-25 seasons.
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Sox fans haven't seen an honest to God Center Fielder in four years.
Rios’ first game is going to blow some minds. I have a feeling some with start running around in a highly agitated state, like the chimps in 2001 when they saw the monolith.
by 67WMAQ on Aug 11, 2009 7:57 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
What will we complain about now that the sox have a bona fide CF?
Back end of the rotation? Once peavy gets here that’s really just a 5th starter?
2B? Getz is probably not going to be a star, but if he’s our weakest offensive guy, I gotta like that lineup.
Bullpen? What team doesn’t complain about their bullpen?
This is a good team now. Let’s hope they realize it and get out of this slump!
fucking dome
Nice.
Lots of learning and adjusting going on. Would not be surprised to see an assimilation period necessary. Next year is the thing. This year would be a bonus.
Feeling pressure, Sox fans? KW is betting on us.
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by winningugly on Aug 11, 2009 8:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
New guess
on # of wins this year?
But what about F-I-E-L-D-E-R-S?
86
they need a 0.600 clip to do that, but that might not be enough to win even at this point
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
84.
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by winningugly on Aug 11, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
rios and peavy illustrate why i did not believe the white sox' offseason moves had much of anything to do with money
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I did not know you thought that.
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by winningugly on Aug 11, 2009 8:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Whoosh.
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by winningugly on Aug 11, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
great post cheat
kdub is finally achieving the balance young core / veteran star presence in the line-up and a rotation stacked with #1’s and #2’s (for other teams perhaps) since he’s been gm. but he wouldn’t have gotten to this point without ’05 after which JR has given kdub more leverage to spend (wisely).
kdub has learned a lot since becoming gm in 2001, somebody needs to write a book about this guy.
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 8:13 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
then rec it muthafucka!
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
"Where the White Bitches At?"
When life gives you lemons, just say "Fuck the lemons," and bail.
by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
nah, nah, black is beautiful for kdub
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
"Blow Me, Billy Beane"
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 11, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I absolutely love this move by the White Sox.
Buh-bye CF problem, buh-bye needing to re-sign Jermaine Dye at too high of a cost, buh-bye needing overspending on any free agent.
Rios only need to be a touch above average overall to make the him worh the money and he’s got a better chance of beating that level than falling short of it.
[Side question: how did you format that pull quote so nicely, Cheat?]
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From what I'm reading he's a decent CF
It’s just the fact that Vernon Wells is there already has kept him out of position. He’s much more valuable as a CF with his offense than a RF.
"It was like everything was slow motion," Wise said. "I stuck my hand out so slowly and was able to make the catch."
Yeah, in limited time he's rated +12 runs per 150 in CF.
He’s been about the same in the corners, too, which implies he’s more like a +2 CF. That’s more than workable.
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yeah tell 'em about it
hit ’em where it hurts

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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
So estimating...
He’s +2.5 runs in CF, gets +2.5 runs for playing CF, and +5 runs at the plate (which seems conservative as it’s only a touch ahead of his down year this year.) That’s a 3.5 WAR player right there, meaning the Sox are paying him like $3.5M per marginal win. Not great, but definitely better than many free agents. And 3.5 WAR was conservative.
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i think that means my math checks out
from my fanpost:
If 1 WAR is worth 3.5M (and pre-economic crash it was 4.4M) that means a 3 WAR player is worth 10.5M per year on the open market. His contract valuation is about 11.5M on average over the whole of the contract (that doesn’t pro-rate ’09). As Matt pointed out, there should be some inflation over the life of that contract, so the difference in the numbers is basically negligible.
And in case you were wondering what kind of “down” year he’s having, let’s check the following math. The conversion from RF/LF to CF is 10 runs and he’s a career 14 UZR150, which suggests he’d be a +4 CF. To continue WARring:
0 BRAA+ 4 FRAA + 2.5 pos adj + 20 rep = 26.5 RAR or ~2.5 WAR over 150 games. The Sox will get him for 1/3 of that 150 games. In 2009, UZR has the Sox at 9.6 FRAA per 150 games. I am somewhat skeptical of that to say the least, but it almost doesn’t matter as White Sox CFs have managed a pathetic .269 wOBA, good for -23 BRAA, dead last in all of baseball. Through 100 games, that’s basically replacement level. So adding Rios should be worth nearly a full win (.833).
y/n?
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Cheat will happily reveal all his formatting tricks during the next AL Central Roundtable discussion.
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Rec'd.
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by winningugly on Aug 11, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Who the eff is this?
Who the eff is this?
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A ghost!
A ghost!
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Echo!
Echo!
i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry
Good God, look at the core that's been assembled
In 2007 this team was old, expensive and sucked.
Abracadabra, lookie what we got now:
Pitching:
MB 30yrs old
Peavy 28
Danks 24
Floyd 26
Jenks 28
IF:
Beckham 22
Ramirez 27
OF:
Rios 28
Q 25
That is a solid, solid core. And KW did all this without completely cannibalizing the minors or destroying the budget.

"It was like everything was slow motion," Wise said. "I stuck my hand out so slowly and was able to make the catch."
you forgot Count 67yrs old
When you average it out that puts our starters average at 35.
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primary players/prospects given up for above mentioned players (directly)
clayton richard
aaron poreda
brandon mccarthy
freddy garcia
aaron carter
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
dude, do you mistake me for a pedophile
who is dees keed, how old is he? haha
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
It's going to be a good time
Getz has been solid at 2B too, not spectacular, but plenty good enough for this team.
Flowers, Viciedo, Hudson, Jor. Danks, Mitchell, etc.. even if only a couple pan out, we’re good to go.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 11, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
oh yeah
That core is locked up contractually for at least 3 years, we have them all under control during their prime years.
"It was like everything was slow motion," Wise said. "I stuck my hand out so slowly and was able to make the catch."
by ChicagoPete on Aug 11, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
yep
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
i'm tired of trotting out high bust prospects out to CF/LF that drag down the team
see BA, Fields
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
larry's right rail posts
have increased the odds of prospects turning into successful major leaguers, you didn’t know that?
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
The O'Larry Factor
*beverage spills*
Ed Farmer: "Is it raining in here?"
Steve Stone: "I've made an egregious mistake."
True
But I figure Flowers is at the minimum a DH, so you really only need one other guy to “make it” out of an entire minor league system to get to a couple. I wouldn’t consider that out of the realm of possibility.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 11, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
at a minimum?
you realize that’s saying he’s guaranteed to be one of the best hitters in the AL at some point? Thome has a ~900 OPS and will only be worth about 2 wins b/c of the DH position adjustment. it’s really really hard to make it as a DH/1B in this league.
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I would like to see Thomer on the team next year so Flowers can learn something in spring training from JI
JIM THOME.
I go home and get in her face - Pods
rios' agent was just on the radio.
he said,“i didn’t think they (toronto) would just give him away. he’s got too much value. i was wrong.”
also, he says rios is a really good baseball player!
it is what it is......
what other teams are having cash problems?
The White Sox have now taken advantage of two strapped ownership groups. It’s as if the Kansas City A’s are back in business in San Diego and Toronto. Who else is looking to shed payroll badly? I’d guess the Mets’ Madoff woes wouldn’t be enough to pry David Wright loose, but that’s a fun scenario to consider.
but how many pitches per plate appearance does he see?
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
Interesting to see how Rios does away from T.O. (not the football player)
The Jays have been pretty blah the past couple of years, a good on the field team without enough pitching – much of due to constant injuries.
Never a realistic hope of catching the Yankees or BroSox right from the beginning of each season so although Cito Gaston is a great handler of people I think players on that team haven’t held out playoff hopes for quite a while.
So let’s see what Rios does with a team (or is it team in a division) that has a chance.
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Aug 11, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions
I think this is huge for Rios
I’ve heard a few times that he never really totally gave a shit at times (don’t know how true that is) but I think being here, in a pennant race, around Ozzie, around other veteran stars and budding young stars is really going to pump this guy up…not to mention, hitting in the Cell never hurt anyone.
except for FNS, haha
sorry, had to mention
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
from whom did you hear that he didn't give a shit at times?
who could it be……i don’t know…..could it be…..
COWLEY?!?!

it is what it is......
by BuehrleMan on Aug 11, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The pressure of helping a mediocre team earn the right to lose to the Yankees/Red Sox/Angels
I think he has all the experience in handling that.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 11, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
very nice post
and you mention this briefly but no one seems to be talking about it much anymore. i’m talking about Q’s foot problem. (and if i’m not mistaken i thought i heard kenny on the radio yesterday also say something about Q’s knee.)
i would not be surprised at all to see Q miss significant time or go down altogether. he really does not look good running to me. if that happens cowley will be able to stop worrying about where rios will play.
it is what it is......
I still see him only in 2/3 of the remaining games this year.
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by winningugly on Aug 11, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
fewer is likely to me.
hope not though. my eyes have seen him hit the ball hard multiple times.
it is what it is......
checked Q's wiki page
White Sox fans bestowed the nickname “TCQ,” standing for “The Carlos Quentin.” The name originated from a quote from GM Ken Williams after he acquired Quentin.
wtf?? white sox fans don’t read blogs??
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions
I held Q!perman proudly. Some other Sox fans took a pic with me and the sign.
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
peavy, and now rios, are classic contrarian plays.
‘buy when they’re crying, sell when they’re yelling." from a baseball standpoint, i like the deals as they provide the team tremendous flexibility at depressed market costs. in effect, it serves to pull the future into the right now without sacrificing the future from a young talent standpoint. i also wonder if these were not shots across the bow to the incoming ownership group of the sox true main competitor (for the chicagoarea entertainment dollar).
the peavy /rios acquisitions are a medium sized financial risk but offer tremendous upside should their contributions lead to the playoffs and beyond this season and in later seasons.
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Aug 11, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions
I think the Rios and Peavy deals are actually quite different.
Rios is buying in a down year, didn’t cost any players in return, and will probably earn less than he’s worth as a free agent. He’s also not a pitcher.
Peavy is also down this year, but is overrated because of the NL and PETCO, cost a decent amount in trade, and will be paid almost exactly what he’s worth on the free agent market. He’s a pitcher.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 11, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Peavy would almost certainly
get more on the FA market, it is ludicrous to suggest anything else. Probably similar $ on an annual basis, but the years would be probably 2x as long. Sort of a big deal to understand . . . its not as though if Peavy were a FA after this season they just could have given him 3/52 and call it a day.
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oh mlbtraderumors
stay classy
Let me clarify my Podsednik/Konerko comparison…
Podsednik does these things better than Konerko…
speed
versatility
defense
base running/stealing
hitting to contact
disrupting the pitchers focus (not the same thing as base running, it simply means he demands the attention of the pitcher away from what he wants to focus on more than facing Konerko in the batters box)Konerko does these things better than Podsednik…
hitting for power
driving in runsOn a team stacked with power hitting RBI machines and very few table setters, they need Podsednik leading off more than they need Konerko hitting 4th to 6th in the lineup.
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
that must be a reader's comment
but what value does this site pose???
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
tends to post stuff before it hits the radio or press releases
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
disrupting pitchers focus
until the first pick off move
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
That was my first reaction. Defense?????!
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
A day in the life of a Sox fan in Seattle.
Getting into the elevator to leave work yesterday afternoon, Sox jersey on, a guy in the elevator took a long look at me and says, “So, are you a real Sox fan?”
I gave him a look that more than appropriately answered his stupid question.
What was he looking for? “No, I just got this gear when Obama was sworn into office.”
Fucking douchenozzle.
Aaaannnnyyyyywayyyy.
Got 10th row seats down the 3rd base line, right in front of one fine Beckham.
He should have made that play on the high grounder…grrr.
And his throw to Nix was off, but what a double play Nix managed to turn on that!
Dude behind me at the game starts immediately talking about how shitty Pods is on defense, so I turned around and told him yeah, we knew that and added that we just got Rios.
Who’s Rios?
Then he went on to say that he likes most Sox players, but their downfall is Ozzie Guillen. He talks too much, he said. He’s a media whore.
At this point, I moved a row down so I didn’t have to hear him anymore. ESPN-fed imbecile.
Later, however, I came back with some garlic fries and his mom (I think) said, “Hey thanks for buying some rally fries!” I replied that if I had to live in this godforsaken city, I may as well eat the few tasty things they have to offer me.
She got pissed. “I like this city.”
golf claps for her.
Tough loss, but great seeing Q hit a couple doubles and Floyd was somewhat Big…lacked some Hairy. Probably should not have gone back out, but hindsight is such a splendid thing.
Did I actually witness an ok Linebrink appearance? Did mine eyes deceive me?
Was the ump at all inconsistent on calling the corners?
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I hide it well. That's my only former-Chicagoan buddy out here, who wasn't planning on going until our plans for Wednesday's game. But he stepped up when he found out I was ronery.
When life gives you lemons, just say "Fuck the lemons," and bail.
by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Just trying to fit in out here.
:P
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Like the hat
Had the same one for years . . . am a bit superstitious and that was my lucky hat. Wore it everyday during the 05’ run. Needless to say, it was a bit crusty and my wife accidently washed it and it fell apart.
Single tear
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
Oh nooooes! I've had it since before '05, wore it throughout as well...has become my lucky one over the years. It's not '83, but rather '85...I got it because that was the first full season I was alive for, regardless of how the team was. :)
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah well the luck run out.
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
my lucky 1959 shirt had gone 7-0 til sunday
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
i got an 1983 winning ugly pennant
shirt that I wear to every game, whether out by itself or under a jersey.
by soxshenanigans on Aug 11, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep. My very first Sox game in Seattle in which they lost. True story. Good things to come tonight and tomorrow....
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
you going to all three?
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
Yessm.
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
nice.
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
Wish I could mobile post...dangit!!!
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I did not know you are a fake Indian.
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by winningugly on Aug 11, 2009 1:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I feel someone should've informed the class before now that hsa is hot.
More specifically, someone should’ve informed me, as I was unaware.
*beverage spills*
Ed Farmer: "Is it raining in here?"
Steve Stone: "I've made an egregious mistake."
if you had been around for the meetup in may you would have known.
gotta say I was pretty surprised about the half price head, though.
PS.
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that picture conveniently omits the huge ghetto booty she's sporting. it's gigantic.
Cashing checks and having sex.
woke up this morning and my eyes won't focus
Is it a stroke? pink eye? epilepsy?
HELP ME KENNY!!!
member of a "solid community of fans" and "a meathead."
Bukkakke.
Go get a washcloth.
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by winningugly on Aug 11, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Got a shoutout on a chick friend yankee blogger's site re: Rios
“Alex Rios has been passed like a relay baton over to the ChiSox, igniting the rapt delight of my buddy (redacted), who has essentially been teetering on the brink of complete mania ever since Buelrhe’s perfecto.”
I liked this description of myself, but immediately thought of HSA in reference to Buehrle. If I’m teetering on the brink of complete mania…well yeah, then I just don’t know
and?
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
That belongs to Landis. He is not worthy.
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
by picktoclick on Aug 11, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought we retired that after Willie.
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Go East, young woman. Go East.
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by winningugly on Aug 11, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
No kidding. Killing my soul.
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
it's better than what he's got up north
heard the ontario provincial police have an APB out on him for grand theft
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by thatshortkid on Aug 11, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
same thing popped in my head.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 11, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I think she is mad because thew newspapers didnt write an article about her J-Walking ticket
I go home and get in her face - Pods
What maddens me:
Because of this great system Seattle has created for its pedestrians and drivers alike, it encourages people to blindly trust crosswalks.
So at least a couple times per month, I’ll be at my cruising speed and have to slam on my brakes because some idiot wanders out into the road without looking to see if a car is coming, let alone whether that car is going to stop.
I get yelled at by pedestrians regularly for not slamming on my brakes.
And I realize that as a driver, I’M the asshole because the poor pedestrian was in a crosswalk…yada yada.
And I’ll even abide by the crosswalk when I see the ped out there with enough notice. But SO many of these times, they just appear from behind a parked car or something and then throw a fit when I don’t stop on a dime.
Take some responsibility for your own life. LOOK before you step out into a road. That crosswalk is not a bubble that somehow stops my vehicle from removing you from this earth.
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 11, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Donte Stallworth agrees with you
by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 11, 2009 1:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep, I'm a big asshole.
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
You still have not said why you think the site is populated with a-holes.
(I thought we already knew that.) What’s changed?
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did you see last night's game thread? they are getting kinda brutal.
i don’t respond to anyone i don’t care for with the exception of an occasional “ssh?”.
it is what it is......
I didn't Zapruder film examine it.
As one who may cloak, please flag inappropriate comments so I (and Chi) can get an idea of who is deemed offensive. Besides me, or course.
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i only ever flag you.
you guys get emailed flaggings or what? i just assumed they went into some database to be read by an intern.
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I can see them.
And the post turns a wonderful shade of red/pink (think CHINA), so it’s easy to pick out. Since green is a color rarely seen any more.
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I can see the reason for flaggings. Does that mean that all this time I've had the keys to the mansion?
wow, the flag button brings up a whole tattle-tale box!
was wondering wtf the talk about reasons was about.
should have that for recs too.
BECAUSE IT MADE ME GIGGLE.
by Trooper on Aug 11, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
DK - can you see it turn red. too?
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Didn't say it was populated. Just said the gamethreads were once fun.
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
What is less fun now? That's what I'm trying to get at.
Quality control and all.
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Flag 'em so we can frag 'em.
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I agree
but i’ve just been waiting for one of them to tell larry to “fuck off”
and wait for the fireworks
i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry
It's fine, some new posters have to realize this site isn't like chicagotribune.com
Humor comes and goes on the game threads, what can you do?
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 11, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
there's been a sad lack of Carl Weathers and Rally Cars
which probably explains our underwhelming record.
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Yes. Those too. And the peds here stand at the lights at entirely empty intersections and wait for the signal. There is no sense of improvisation in street-crossing here.
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It's your fault
you should slow down approaching the ’ crosswalk ’ over here, you hit someone on a zebra Crossing you are lucky if you escape a jail sentence.
If I slowed down for every crosswalk painted on the streets here, I would never be able to drive above 10 mph.
I’m not a crazy driver, nor do I have it out for all pedestrians. As I said, I stop if I see there is a ped waiting.
There is a difference, tho, when someone meanders out into the road from behind a parked car, thinking they don’t have to take any responsibility.
They are the susceptible ones, and it makes sense to me that they would want to protect themselves as a priority, rather than trust a driver.
That’s all.
When life gives you lemons, just say "Fuck the lemons," and bail.
by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you should drink (more) before you drive
so GIT will agree with you.
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I didn't plan on getting into this one.
I do completely agree with her though.
And you’re correct, if you’re sober you really aren’t doing it right.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 11, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Do they ticket for crossing against the light?
I was ticketed in Santa Monica once for exactly that after wondering why the idiots were not walking against the light when no cars were visible. There was not one car within 3/4 of a mile of me and the cop pulled me over – in my suit and briefcase, walking 6 blocks to work.
So maybe your citizenry is being terrorized by the cops.
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They probably do... haven't experienced it yet, but this is a city that issues tickets for honking your horn. So I assume so, yes.
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
racist bastards
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
Actually the cop was a brother.
So, yes.
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Reverse-racist bastards.
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
(ftr, I LOATHE that term, "reverse-racism." Only white people could make that shit up.)
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by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
it fucking exists. black people HATE white people.
Took 3 years to find out about disco demolition night.
isn't that just, uh, racism?
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by thatshortkid on Aug 11, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
What tsk said.
When life gives you lemons, just say "Fuck the lemons," and bail.
by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
erm - I guess the term I meant was reverse discrimination. where the majority is discriminated against.
and i was overstepping by saying black people hate white people.
some black people hate some white people, just like the other way around.
Took 3 years to find out about disco demolition night.
there aren't directions in discrimination, either.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 11, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
matter of opinion, I guess, I'm not the only person that agrees that it exists.
Took 3 years to find out about disco demolition night.
Big difference for acknowledging it exists.... I mean, it's obvious plenty of other colors of people hate white people. Wouldn't you too? ;)
What we’re nitpicking, is the terminology.
Discrimination is discrimination. Racism is racism.
These terms aren’t reserved for white people, so to call it “reverse-” anything is unnecessary.
When life gives you lemons, just say "Fuck the lemons," and bail.
by homesickalien on Aug 12, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
there is scale though.
something i’m not entirely sure mr. ho is aware of.
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i'm of the opinion that encouraging jaywalking
gets lots of people always crossing streets and hence makes peds safer. i have no idea if that is actually true. whatever the laws, i’m walking.
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