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Things Are Getting Ugly

I made a comment at the beginning of yesterday's abortion of a comments section, that it felt a lot like the '04 season. While the focus of that particular comment was about the mid-season trades (for Freddy Garcia and Jose Contreras) that seemed as much for the future as the present, the parallel continues as the two take the mound this week against the Royals.

Garcia became the 9th different pitcher to start for the White Sox this season, which is the most since that '04 campaign that featured such luminaries as Arnie Munoz, Felix Diaz, Jason Grilli and Danny Wright. With Jake Peavy and possibly Dan Hudson waiting in the wings, the Sox are virtually assured of reaching double digit starting pitchers on the season.

The stat is noteworthy because the Ozzie Guillen-led Sox have become known for their starter durability. Since '05 the White Sox have used the least number of starters in baseball, and continually ranked 1st or 2nd in innings pitched by their starters. It's arguably the biggest reason they've been competitive (with the exception of '07) in the Guillen era. 

Anyway, Garcia made his return to the big leagues Tuesday nearly 11 months after helping the Sox extend their season as a member of the Tigers, and the results were as to be expected. Garcia simply doesn't have major league stuff. The truth is that he could have been hit around a lot harder. He was leaving his fastball up (where it was surprisingly effective) and kept hanging his breaking balls, eventually handing over a 3-run lead to the hapless Royals. But he left the Sox in a position to win, which is all that I could have asked for (though I obviously have low expectations).

  • This was the second time in a week that the Sox had a baserunner thrown out at home on a would-be sac-fly in the middle innings of what turned out to be a 1-run loss. Both games featured tons of baserunners in the early innings for Sox against the opposing starter only to be completely shut down by the bullpen.
  • Billy Butler's 3 doubles gave him 41 on the year, which is more than any two White Sox who started the season on the major league roster have COMBINED. It also puts him with an outside shot to join that exclusive club I noted Beckham had a shot at next year. Kid's pretty good.
  • The Royals got away with a couple things you can only do as a last place team on Tuesday
    • They sent Alex Gordon to the minors, where he has always raked, to, I don't know, avoid accruing service time, maybe. They might be able to squeeze out another year of club-control with the move.
    • Trey Hillman stuck with Robinson Tejada for 3 innings of set-up work, which is the type of thing you can only do when you're playing for only today. Ozzie can't run Matt Thornton out there for 3 innings if he's mowing people down. Ozzie wants to have him available for the next day, should he be needed. Not that I'm complaining, I probably would have done the same thing if I was Hillman, which is the first time you've been able to read those words on this blog. 
  • The Sox are not without their own roster shenanigans, moving Dewayne Wise to the DL instead of the unemployment office to make room for Garcia. With their being less than 15 days until rosters expand, all the Sox needed to do to keep him on the roster was invent an injury, which was simple enough considering his poor play and shoulder separation earlier this year.

This is NOT /b/

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With the comments section to our last recap devolving into a level of discourse not seen outside of a town hall meeting on health care reform, serving as further evidence of the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory,  and resulting in not one, but two separate emails from the Powers That Be, who have NEVER emailed me concerning site content before, I think it's time to address the tone of the site. I don't exactly run the tightest ship here, so if anyone is to be blamed for things getting out of hand, it's me.

That being said, this is not /b/, or as it's otherwise known, the asshole of the internet. I'm not easily shocked or offended, and am extremely lenient with the ban hammer, which has led some to take advantage. I've never been interested in reading every comment to monitor for good taste, and don't intend to do so in the future. It was always my hope that the community would be able to police itself.

Unfortunately, things got out of hand yesterday. Rather than trot out a bunch of ad hoc rules to make this place conform to the ideals of your typically over-moderated site, I'm only introducing one along with asking you all to tone it down a bit. And I know you know what I'm talking about because of how many comments there were about the content of the last thread. If you think you're over the line, you probably are.

New Rule: All pictures must contain a subject line, which serves as a handy self-moderation tool for all users. You can simply click the subject to make a borderline image disappear. There were plenty of pleas for this today, and I don't think it's too much to ask to keep the site both SFW, readable, and just plain tolerable. 

I realize that it's easy to forget the subject line after a year plus without it being a requirement. As such, I won't be handing out any bans for isolated acts of forgetfulness, though there will probably be plenty of warnings.

I'm sure the Powers That Be want me to come up with more hard and fast posting guidelines, and I'm absolutely positive they'll be reading this post and your comments. Let's prove to them we can have nice things. I don't want to be called into the principal's office again because my classroom has gotten out of hand.

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Full-time college student could mean "Colin."

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Aug 19, 2009 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Grow. Op.

fuck you and the dick you rode in on. ~Trooper

by homesickalien on Aug 19, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wish I could rec.

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 10:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

And you can't because?

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 19, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

via mobile.

fuck you and the dick you rode in on. ~Trooper

by homesickalien on Aug 19, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh. So THAT'S what those words mean.

Thx.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 19, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

three words

supple young ass.

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

/tobias

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does that mean ...

We can call you Mr. Crabapple?

Screw you, monkeyboy, Imma goin Home!

by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 19, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

everyone is just jealous of my flowing locks

and they’re acting out as a result. it’s okay guys. there is a solution.

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 12:46 AM CDT reply actions  

do it!

then, when they win, you’ll be LEGENDARY.

by Trooper on Aug 19, 2009 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

baninated

Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."

by e-gus on Aug 19, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

i am laughing my ass off

that’s just outstanding

that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma

by furby2056 on Aug 19, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

The pressure got to him.

Flowers – who is apparently the motherfucking boogeyman of the southern league

by omnipotent grab on Aug 19, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

so great

that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma

by furby2056 on Aug 19, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

too much good stuff

Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."

by e-gus on Aug 19, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then rec it.

He’s right.

fuck you and the dick you rode in on. ~Trooper

by homesickalien on Aug 19, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just spent several moments of my life

trying to figure out what this has to do with saved by the bell. Then I figured it out. Feels like the joke is on me.

White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man

by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

this needs to be rec'd

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Aug 19, 2009 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

speaking of fanny

did hoodie actually alert the man about the pics of disabled childrens? I thought he was just taking the piss.

by Trooper on Aug 19, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

That seems the likeliest scenario to lead to the tisk-tisk emails Cheat was sent.

Damn shame. Shouldn’t come to that.

*beverage spills*
Ed Farmer: "Is it raining in here?"
Steve Stone: "I've made an egregious mistake."

by RWShow on Aug 19, 2009 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt it. Pretty sure he and Larry were just funnin'...

Glad I bailed from there around 380 or so. Saw the kids, but not the feces chart.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 19, 2009 4:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

definitely

Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."

by e-gus on Aug 19, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

WTF There has to be a slogan in that post

Come for the kids, stay for the feces? I think I picked a good time to take a hiatus.

by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 19, 2009 6:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

What can I say?

We are sheep. It wasn’t a voluntary hiatus. West Coast start times + getting up at 5am = tired crappy Scotty

by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 19, 2009 6:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

oh

I had not bothered reading the offending previous thread. I prefer to stay ignorant like the masses

by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 19, 2009 7:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

wait

your name is actually Scotty?

you arent just a Pods/Liney fan?

Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."

by e-gus on Aug 19, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pippen

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 19, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Scotty… doesn't know?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vyj1C8ogtE

"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."

by RWShow on Aug 19, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong. Scottie Too Hottie

Actually I picked the name after hearing on sports radio someone joking about Pods channeling Ted Williams. I am indifferent towards Pods but strongly dislike Linebrink. I dont want to give my real name out-I know WU is watching

by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 19, 2009 10:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 19, 2009 6:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cheat, quick question:

If we run across a pic with no subject line, should we just cloak it? Not to be one of the hall monitors, but to help out?

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 19, 2009 6:00 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Chi moves to consolidate his power.

Just like the Fed. Wish I was able to see everything re: what all the shouting was about.

I blame Barney Frank. But as an aside, good luck with the teaching thing, Cheat.

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 6:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I blame the Wire and soccer.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 19, 2009 6:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

the wire was the catalyst

fo sho

Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."

by e-gus on Aug 19, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

scotty pods is the catalyst yo

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 19, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actual post discussion

Robinson Tejeda’s a pretty good pitcher when he doesn’t walk people. And the White Sox are still leading in Starters IP, which doesn’t seem like it would be the case given the less-steroids era of more successful pitching (and Nolan Ryan Texas)

by Carbiner on Aug 19, 2009 7:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Next year is going to be fun w/ a full year of Peavy, MB, BHB, Danks

and especially if Hudson steps up as a 5 or if Kenny goes and grabs a serviceable vet stopgap

by Q!'s Qrew on Aug 19, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

The 5 spot can suck and still not be as bad as it was this year

Though Contreras did sort of look like he might bring back the Second half 05/First half 06 form (and he’s still getting K’s in that same manner). A platoon 5 isn’t so bad provided one of them doesn’t disappear randomly.

by Carbiner on Aug 19, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm Tired of Freddy Colontreras

that vazquez for brent lillibridge trade looks better and better every day..

NOT

yes i am aware of tyler flowers…sorry i’ll take a pitcher who strikes out 200 guys every year and never gets hurt over a guy who can dh for us in 2011..that’s just me..

Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.

by JOSEPANIAGUA on Aug 19, 2009 7:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Payroll friend, Payroll

Rather have Javy this year or Peavy the rest of the year and the next 3-4?
This is coming from someone who was against the Javy trade originally.

by Q!'s Qrew on Aug 19, 2009 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Vazquez was getting crucified by the fans

And, if we did manage to get to game 5 of that Tampa Bay Series he’d have just lost it. Super cold streak at the end of the year = probable trade, though we might have gotten better value somewhere else /shrug. Only thing guaranteed about Vazquez was the 200 K’s and IP, he might have decent peripherals but obviously those worked out much better in the NL in a pitcher’s park.

by Carbiner on Aug 19, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Somehow I imagine if we'd kept Vazquez

You’d be complaining about how he’s useless down the stretch.

I liked the move, because Javy is a punk.

fucking dome

by vince_ on Aug 19, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you know what it takes to win the AL Central?

I know it has been said a thousand times before – but the prize is within reach. All it takes is a good week or two and the Sox are in first place. One decent run. That’s all it takes.

Or to put it in Glengarry Glen Ross terms “these people are waiting to give you their money!”

Maybe they need a good visit from Alec Baldwin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-AXTx4PcKI

by 67WMAQ on Aug 19, 2009 7:45 AM CDT reply actions  

We just went 3-6 against Cleveland, KC (assuming Greinke beats Contreras) and Seattle

The only good runs this team has had so far is when they are just about far enough out of it that we’re ready to give up on the season. But then they put together a bunch of stinkers against teams that we should beat which put them right back in that hole.

I’m with the others that think the White Sox just lost the AL central last night. I mentioned this to a friend who is a mariner’s fan, and he said “well at least they gave you false hope.” I had to explain to him that they really didn’t — TDogg kool-aid aside, I’ve never really had much hope at any time this season. The only thing the sox have accomplished is every time I’m about to give up on the season for good, they went on a tear and kept me back in. I believe this season is classified as torture under the Geneva Conventions.

fucking dome

by vince_ on Aug 19, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

3-6?... I count 3-5, homez. Stranger things have happened then us winning to today

And this isn’t an attack on you, but I think the ledge jumpers from last night need to realize we are only 3 out and still have 6 head to head with Detroit. I understand we haven’t done it yet, but as others have said, all it takes is one hot week… that’s it.

by Q!'s Qrew on Aug 19, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

They may or may not win the division

But it will have nothing to do with last night. People its not kool-aid. Chill the F*ck out. I will say this again. I don’t expect this team to go on any extended run until Sept. Shit I think I had them going 9-9 over the next 18 games after my original schedule post.

Stop living and dying on every game.

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Aug 19, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep..

It would be OMG we beat Zach Greinke!!! We’re going all the way. JOSE IS BACK!!!

This is not football, we will lose a lot of games before it’s all said and done and could still win the division.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 19, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

"stop being a baseball fan"

C’mon what’s the point of watching the games if you can’t overreact to the significance of every game. That’s the fun. Much more fun than “oh well they are going to suck for the next 2-3 weeks but watch out in september!”

fucking dome

by vince_ on Aug 19, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

we're struggling mightily to win 1 out of 3 at home against the royals

sorry i dont see any extended run..

Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.

by JOSEPANIAGUA on Aug 19, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh yeah!

Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."

by e-gus on Aug 19, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you have it reversed

White Sox have played well against the good teams-Dodgers, Angels, Yankees, Rays, Cubs…er, scratch that last one. But they have struggled against the crappy teams. Thats why everyone is so frustrated. We see the potential of this team and then they fall on their collective face

by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 19, 2009 8:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

So they will go 5-3 at BOS and NYY

and take 3 of 4 when the red sox come to town and then implode the rest of month of September

by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 19, 2009 8:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I do understand the frustration with their performance against the Central

It certainly has been the difference and a sup par record is not something we are used to in recent years.

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Aug 19, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think 6-7 vs the Royals tells us more than the 2-1(so far) vs NYY

I also think its why this place was batshit crazy yesterday.

Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."

by e-gus on Aug 19, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

youre right

still have to go to their place though

Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."

by e-gus on Aug 19, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

But the Sox hitters just need to hit the ball into the jet stream in right field

by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 19, 2009 11:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

don't worry, I've got that handled

I’ll be providing intimidation on our behalf

by Q!'s Qrew on Aug 19, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

HSA has set the bar high

Got to take it to the next level. I suggest bringing in a real unicorn or a really big FNS sign

by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 19, 2009 11:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think I'd get past security with the real unicorn

but ooooh…I like the FNS sign. I mentioned this once before, but some girl that frequents a bar I go to (friend of friend type deal) is supposedly seeing Swisher, so that only adds in the fun.
I wish I was in RF instead of LF.

by Q!'s Qrew on Aug 19, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

whatchu mean?

What makes you think they can flip a switch in September? A healthy and rested DWise going to push them over the hump?

They had to bang on these weaker teams, and they haven’t gotten it done. I think it demonstrates a failing of character, they just don’t have what it takes. Throw the stats out the window, this team sucks.

Like a sausage, but with cracks on its surface.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 19, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Harsh but true.

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 9:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

this reminds me of 2006

Where you sat there for all of August and September waiting for them to get hot – and waited, and waited, and waited…

The bad thing with this team now is that not only is the 5th starter spot a black hole, but Contreras is sucking his thumb again too. And now it looks like Peavy is some ways away from helping. Hard to see this team going on an extended Type 3 run with 2 spots in the rotation a glaring weakness.

Like a sausage, but with cracks on its surface.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 19, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its not a flip

Its Rios and Peavy added to the team and an extended homestand. I know you guys don’t want to acknowledge it but they have played better at home lately.

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Aug 19, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its called lower expectations

Then you look like the hero.

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Aug 19, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

semantics

lowered expectations, shriveled gonads – whatever

Like a sausage, but with cracks on its surface.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 19, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't think that's pretty much what he said.

pretty much what he said was i’m not pitching on the 28th for the sox.

by larry on Aug 19, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, their home record is now only

7 games behind the Tiggers. Careful of hanging lots of hopes on new guys not exactly “hot” preceding their acquisition.

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 9:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Neither is going 5-5 in last ten

acting like it was 1-9. What if they won last night to go 6-4 in last time their on the way to .600 ball? Give me a break.

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Aug 19, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Break.

What is our record the last month? I really am asking. It seems as if our last rolling 10’s has been 5-5 for the last month.

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 10:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

14-13 in July, 8-7 in August

The Sox have been fine considering they gave away their 5th starter for a Peavy start to be named later. Still, the division might have been given away during that awful stretch right after the perfect game.

There’s nothing wrong with optimism, but this team isn’t that good where I can have confidence that they’ll catch the Tigers.

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 19, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with you and

thanks for the stat. Our 5th starter results since the trade are fine.

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 10:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Like you - I'm high on hopium

This team is worth your time – and money. It’s not like we’re watching Alex Gonzalez, Ryan Bukvitch, and Danny Richar.

This team is good. Frustrating – but good.

Nice to turn on the TV and see a full house the last two days. This coming month and a half ain’t for the weak.

by 67WMAQ on Aug 19, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

To paraphrase Papa Joe Stalin...

Peavy is the Hopiate of the class-less…

Screw you, monkeyboy, Imma goin Home!

by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 19, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marx.

Karl Marx.

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 12:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

never heard of him

Chi?

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do believe they have already pissed away the division.

There’s never an easy answer to exactly how, but I believe going 5-6 over the last 11 vs. the teams we’ve played is not nearly good enough. Our chances of winning the division have diminished MORE during that stretch than in any other 10 or more game stretch for various reasons…..most importantly, obviously , because of strength of schedule remaining and limited number of games to play overall. This season is turning out to be very disappointing.

by dantesox on Aug 19, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

This roster should do better.

The last couple of weeks have exposed some deficiencies in management, experience, and mental/emotional competence.

by dantesox on Aug 19, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't wait to see if someone else would reply to you?

Impatient kidz.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 19, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not really.

I always get more thoughts which I want to include later.

by dantesox on Aug 19, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why...

should a roster with deficiencies in management, experience, and mental/emotional competence be expected to do better, as you surmise? And is there any basis for assuming a correction of any of those deficiencies in the next 6 weeks?

Don't call it a comeback.

by Toonderstrook on Aug 19, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I'll ease up a little and allow for some of the last couple of weeks

attributable to being unlucky. The correction could be in the form of upgrading talent level (see Peavy, Rios…etc). I cannot possibly think or type fast enough to tell you what all I’m thinking about in making the statement I did, but, short answer to your question…..no, I don’t think we can reasonably expect a correction so quickly.

by dantesox on Aug 19, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

we're sox fans it's how we do

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 19, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are they men enough to take it?

They are the posture child for a .500 team.They can not put any streak together, Tdogg is a lunatic thinking they can play .600 for the rest of the year. And if anyone else believes that, you are loonyn also.

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 9:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

posture child?

i love that the image source is dr larry

Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."

by e-gus on Aug 19, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

bad posture or not

i wish i was ripped like him…look at that physique

Hell Yesss

by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 19, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Glad I stopped watching the game

Came to post something and then saw the Westboro Baptist photo, so I left.

This thread feels like a hungover morning after a weird party or something

by 815Sox on Aug 19, 2009 8:00 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

CHINA!

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 11:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Watch the group showers

And “L” rides.

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 9:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm sure you'd be first in line

to throw the switch.

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 9:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd be witness for the prosecution

“Yes, that’s him – the OPOS sitting right there!”

Like a sausage, but with cracks on its surface.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 19, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Each and every one of you are scum

Didn’t your mothers teach you anything about posting on open forums? For shame!

Don't quote me

by Moral Narcissist on Aug 19, 2009 8:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Holy shit

That lady in the town hall link is idiotic… gotta love people that think the Obama administration wants to set up death camps

by 815Sox on Aug 19, 2009 8:47 AM CDT reply actions  

I ran into a couple of the crazies "protesting" outside the post office on my way to work

One asked me “did you know Obama grew a moustache?” After I didn’t respond (being in wtf? mode), he said “He’s growing one just like Hitler.”

I just shook my head and walked on.

fucking dome

by vince_ on Aug 19, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

They are fuckin lunatics

I am most likely going to a town hall event tonight… keep in mind I live in Rockford where about 25 percent of the city is failing because of the “blacks n mexicans”… losing our entire manufacturing base has nothing to do with it of course

by 815Sox on Aug 19, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

bring a bulletproof vest

a lot of right wing lunatics out there

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 19, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously

I hate when people get confused. The admin wants to set up death panels and re-education camps. But death camps? That’s just ridiculous.

White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man

by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

They can redistribute our wealth

but they can never take our freedom!

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 9:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Aside from Joe the Plumbgeniusofgreatness

None of the protesters are all that likely to be “wealthy”

by Carbiner on Aug 19, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

if $250K is the new threshhold

I beg to differ.

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 9:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

On the one hand there's 150 million

On the other hand there’s 400

This system is sustainable, for sure.

by Carbiner on Aug 19, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's also the catalyst for change

I’m aware the change won’t be fully functional, but it can always improve and not just in a hopeful magical way. Of course it probably won’t change in my lifetime so sort of an irrelevant discussion of masterful conjecture.

by Carbiner on Aug 19, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you suggesting

That it isn’t worse here than in every other first-world nation? Our Gini looks like Brazil’s for Christ’s sake. (slight hyperbole)

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 5:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

worse presupposes that this level of income inequality is a problem.

while i will certainly agree that income inequality at a certain point is a problem, i rather doubt the US is anywhere near that point.

and, yes, my general point was prove that what you’re asserting as a problem actually is one.

by larry on Aug 19, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

Probably too complicated to do here, eh? But I would say that for one, wealth and political power are extremely closely related, so this is disheartening for a democracy. Plus I don’t think it’s unfair to call that an aristocracy (you may disagree).

But if it is, it’s hard to imagine how having such a small class controlling so much wealth that literally has no bearing on their daily quality of life can be anything other than grossly inefficient.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 5:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I chose it to be provocative

To bring up the possibility that allowing small groups to build up massive amounts of wealth prevents us from using resources to increase quality of life for society as a whole.

Perhaps a different view of efficiency, but it was intentional. You probably would disagree.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's what job creation does.

i’d love people to increase quality of life….by working.

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by MarketMaker on Aug 19, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or

How about by getting increasing access to good education so they can have more meaningful jobs? Obviously not mutually exclusive, but I think that we can do more to achieve that.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm

i’d like to see tuition funding paid by The Man, if only to remove loan repayment as part of the career choice equation.

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by thatshortkid on Aug 19, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Service economy has limited jobs

Which are ostensibly “meaningful” at any rate. The system is designed to have a sub-working class of various jobs that different people don’t want to do. Unless you replace those jobs with automatons or something it’d be rather difficult. But that doesn’t justify the economic disparity.

by Carbiner on Aug 19, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

and then some might argue that having that much wealth controlled by a small group is the exact opposite of grossly inefficient.

perhaps depending upon how one values outputs.

i personally think it’s grossly inefficient to reward people who are dumb, lazy and otherwise useless to society as a whole. on the other hand, i also think a society has a duty to not let people starve and die in the streets. how one balances such things is perhaps one of the greatest questions mankind faces and, no, there probably isn’t an answer.

by larry on Aug 19, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mostly agree

But I think that we are way too far off in one end of the spectrum…. That’s why I brought up the Gini coefficient. Every other society in the first world is distributing wealth far more equally, and they seem to be doing fine.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

and there's the rub again.

some would argue that one should strive to do more than “fine.” it’s all about what the goals are. we all have differing views on that. welcome to democracy.

by larry on Aug 19, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kewl

Yeah, obviously I disagree, but I don’t think I’ve been uncivil about it. So I don’t understand the ‘welcome to democracy’ crack. You have disagreed with me in the same way I’ve disagreed with you.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shouldn't we separate discussion

Of economic systems and Political systems? At least when we’re talking about efficiency

by Carbiner on Aug 19, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

Don’t think you can really separate them

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

you ought to read

Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett, The Spirit Level: Why More Equal Societies Almost Always Do Better. Its findings about the failings of the most fiercely capitalist countries, such as Britain and the US, in everything from obesity to violent crime to mental health we score lowest, and you have to ask the question ‘why is that?’

it’s a good read very academic, but spells out something that is obvious to me ( when I travel to mainland europe ) it’s a better life, happier and more relaxed.

by hoodlight on Aug 19, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo

I might also suggest ‘No One Makes You Shop at Wal Mart’ by Tom Slee, which is actually very dry, reserved, and theoretical, despite its title. Different focus, but recommended.

I’ll be sure to check that out.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

i funded a European welfare state

and all i got was this shite economy.

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by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

can't get credit for intended irony?

i mean c’mon, i compared myself to tobias and got no love then either.

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by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im confused.

Is the red side of the pie chart the eloi or the morlocks?

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by e-gus on Aug 20, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

That’s $250k income, not wealth, right? If you make that much money, I would imagine that you wouldn’t have the time nor inclination to be a protester at one of these events. You could (a) pay someone else to do it, or (b) just donate money to candidates/PACs that are fighting for your interest.

Either option is more efficient, and both are being used.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

People making $250k/yr

are in the 98th %tile in terms of income. Many are wealthy; all are rich.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh, god. spare me. people making $250K/yr are rich? you can't be that foolish.

though it may seem like a lot to you, it does not afford someone with a family much more luxury than people making half that. and that 98% shit is fucking stupid. why don’t you show the income level chart with that? it’s a completely arbitrary number that does not divide the rich from everyone else. the income level is just beginning to get parabolic at that point. the income number needs to be considerably higher. the tax revenues are minute compared to the effect that said taxes have on the payer. there aren’t that many americans making between $250K and $1M/year, but the difference in their lifestyles are vast.

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by MarketMaker on Aug 19, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I cannot respond to that.

You don’t know many people in that income level, do you?

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by winningugly on Aug 20, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

People who don't understand

the level of inequality in the distribution of income in this country are a bigger problem than people who don’t have your ridiculous standards for what constitutes wealthy.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

although i mostly find distribution of income arguments to be foolish, i'll tell you the problem with the way you're using it.

understandably, people take issue with those making multi-millions and living lavish lifestyles. you seem to mistakenly think that people making $250K/year are in that group. they are not. they are simply comfortable. they cannot have whatever they’d like, but they aren’t lacking either. taking from these people is ludicrous. it’s removing the very thin layer of protection that they have. these people aren’t impervious to everyone else’s financial issues. that income level is way higher. like multiples of $250K. i mean, jesus, think about the cost of a house in the burbs, a college education, a family sedan…this shit costs a lot of money. that $250K goes quick, motherfucker. you think people making that much are living on the same block as CEOs and pro athletes? shiiiiiiit. think again.

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by MarketMaker on Aug 19, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that they're not particularly wealthy

In comparison, but its ludicrous to think that a mobilized sort of protest could have any impact whatsoever from that specific group of people unless it was expanded over their very small numbers.

by Carbiner on Aug 19, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree. who will fight on behalf of that segment of taxpayers? they surely won't be represented by the rich and powerful.

and it’s clear that their neighbors and coworkers making some amount less give a shit. they’re caught in the middle. and fucked, honestly. and it’s terrible because they don’t deserve this treatment, but they don’t have strength in numbers or deep pockets. so they’ll get bent over.

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by MarketMaker on Aug 19, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Upper Middle does not sustain itself over generations

A few go way up and the majority go back down to Middle, not too much can be done about it unless the economy never slumped for 30-40 years.

by Carbiner on Aug 19, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

i blame the census. it stops income data at "$250K+"

but honestly, where do you start to define “wealthy”? your position on using population percentile is clear, so what’s the alternative?

or are you more of a flat-tax kind of guy?

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by thatshortkid on Aug 19, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'd start with

one should never discuss wealth in terms of income.

by larry on Aug 19, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

But I don’t think we are ever going to be able to tax wealth, so income is what is relevant to these debates, unfortunately.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 5:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

capital gains?

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by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I consider that income

I thought that the federal government did as well (but I certainly may be incorrect on that). What I meant before was that we aren’t going to ever tax anyone’s total worth (which I would suggest would be a good idea, even though I know almost nobody would agree with me.)

Shit, if we did that, we might not have to take any income tax at all. Obviously, there could be very detrimental effects.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

so then be careful about using the term "wealthy" to describe such people

words have meanings. one should be precise. calling someone who makes $250K/year wealthy is not a way to win an argument with them because instead of debating merits you’re going to end up doing what was just done here which was debating the semantics of a term that you admit you’re probably using imprecisely.

by larry on Aug 19, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok, so then rephrasing the question to what was originally meant in spirit

where’s the line for “high-income”?

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by thatshortkid on Aug 19, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

probably.

by the way, that amount is not particularly tongue in cheek. my personal view is essentially around that point.

by larry on Aug 19, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

link?

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by MarketMaker on Aug 19, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm not sure i'm qualified to answer that question.

i’d surmise that it’s probably near the seven-figure mark, but that could be off substantially. i just know what a few hundred thousand a year buys and it’s not that much.

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by MarketMaker on Aug 19, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Beating a dead horse

For me the issue isn’t really how much it buys in absolute terms, but how it positions you relative to the rest of society.

And if you’re making a few hundred grand, you’re doing much, much better than almost everyone else. That’s how we should measure if someone is rich or not.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

if there are two guys, one with 50 cents

and the other a penny, neither can buy a dollar ticket.

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by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

kenny?

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by thatshortkid on Aug 19, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

One can get half of a burger at wendy's

And the other can’t eat (trying to be funny, not petulant)

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I accidentally said it once

Otherwise, I’ve been very specific about recognizing the difference between ‘wealthy’ and ‘rich’

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, i'm more of a flat-tax kind of guy, but that doesn't mean i'm not open for discussion.

i take umbrage at the tax rate divisions more than the rates themselves. the income revenue generated by a tax increase between those making $250K and $1M is not the answer to the government’s programs’ books. and more precisely, the low end of that group is a relative pittance to the government while it would be detrimental to the payers.

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by MarketMaker on Aug 19, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

iirc, Nate Silver wanted to start a new bracket at $1MM

for basically that reason.

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by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, i haven't read his opinions on the matter, but i like the sound of it.

i think the divide is much more clear at that level than it is at $250K.

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by MarketMaker on Aug 19, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was probably a little too enthralled/undereducated at the time

to realize how negatively that reflects on Obama’s perception of income distribution. it’s not a particularly good political play either unless he has every intention of being bid up by the legislative process. 1 million is a bigger rounder number for people to ooh and ahh at anyway.

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by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

as stated before, he was talking about a bracket 98% of the people aren't in

so i don’t think it’s that particularly bad as a number to start off at. and seeing as everything else has been bid up in the legislative process, i wouldn’t doubt it being a lowball amount.

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by thatshortkid on Aug 19, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

ugh. scracth "to start off at", replace with "to stump with."

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by thatshortkid on Aug 19, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

i have a hard time ascribing that kind of acute shrewdness

to Obama, perhaps b/c all the blogs i read do exactly that. it strains credulity at least somewhat. especially after all the Bush Iz Teh Dum, which strains similarly.

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by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, with all the "common ground" and "pragmatism" talk

one would think the thought process going in is that of “things are going to get negotiated and compromised on”. i don’t think it strains that much.

then again, i am not an agent/lawyer/negotiator-of-any-stripe.

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by thatshortkid on Aug 19, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, true.

in the very least, he’s shown he’s willing to bargain and play mediator. if he expected this kind of fight, it kind of gives the lie to the whole “there are no blue states, there are no red states” stuff. guy is slippery.

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by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll agree with that

It won’t solve the problems. I think the disagreement is whether or not it’s a healthy starting point.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Presumably the 250K-1M group is large enough

To limit the tax rate severely and there are preventive measures in place to prevent the tax rate of the extremely rich from rising past a certain point.

by Carbiner on Aug 19, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

So

Average earners don’t have similar needs/wants? If earning five times as much as the median earner (approx $50k) doesn’t make you rich in the richest society in history, I’d suggest we have a problem in definitions here.

We need to pay for this country somehow. If that doesn’t pay for a good life, we are all fucked.

So yes, $250k absolutely does make one rich relative to a vast majority (hence the ‘98%’ previously) of Americans. They might not be impervious, but they sure as shit are better off than most everyone else. And if we are going to start paying for shit like healthcare, they are going to need to start pulling their weight.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 5:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

it's still an arbitrary dividing line

that doesn’t have anything necessarily to do with the math involved in “paying for this country”

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by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

ah, and there's the rub

“if” we are going to start paying for shit like healthcare.

by larry on Aug 19, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo

There are so many assumptions in that post (“we need to pay for this country somehow”… “if we are going to start paying for shit like healthcare”) that make it rather difficult to respond to without completely derailing the thread into political oblivion (if it hasn’t gone there already).

by CWSKeith on Aug 19, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, keith. i was trying to address a very narrow point- the cutoff line on the tax rates.

i think in large part that has been kept in focus, but discussing these issues would very much change that.

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by MarketMaker on Aug 19, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

You’re right about healthcare. So I’m wrong about that. But I don’t think ‘we need to pay for shit’ is an assumption that can be disagreed with. We have a shitton of debt and a massive budget, so we do need to pay for shit we’ve already done.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

so cut the budget.

i like those rare occasions when someone who wants to increase taxes also wants to cut expenses. i like it even better on those rare occassions when they actually mean it.

by larry on Aug 19, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like those rare occasions

Where people at least recognize that revenues need to come close to expenditures. And it’s sadly very unlikely that we are ever going to really significantly cut the budget, at least under our current arrangement.

Congressmen can say that they want it cut, but they aren’t going to give up jobs and infrastructure in their district. So let’s at least recognize that we need to take more money in, and figure out where to get it.

I think $250k is a good starting point. Of course, it shouldn’t by any means by the highest bracket.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again -- I don't agree with that at all

why do we “need to take more money in”? Why is the answer never cutting expenses as opposed to generating more revenue (which taxing can only help so much)?

You’re also (again) using some loaded terminology, like “give up jobs”. That is the same kind of thinking that led to failing car and financial companies being bailed out.

by CWSKeith on Aug 19, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

From the perspective of Congress, that's exactly what it is

So maybe that is a loaded term, but that is how it is viewed by representatives and their constituents. I’m not saying that I agree with the system or like it (note ‘sadly’).

Sure it’s a quagmire, and it sucks. But do you guys have an answer to get away from it? It’s much more possible to raise taxes than to have massive budget cuts.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

To clarify

That’s what the system responds to, which is why I feel that that wasn’t an unfair use of a loaded term.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

again, Congress is the problem in this case.

i’d much rather pursue that avenue, which really hasn’t been discussed (i.e. revamping representatives’ incentives), than rehashing what we already know.

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by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree in principle

…but how?

I’d suggest getting rid of districts and switching to some sort of proportional representation. But it isn’t ever going to happen, of course.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

one thing i've seen suggested

is jungle primaries. the current system elects those willing to be fighters and use extreme positions. bringing everyone closer to the median would help.

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by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

wish i was around for this 'live'

I think youre right about Congress being part of the problem and a proportional representation. Completely a pipe dream so here goes: Id like to see a complete overhaul, unicameral legislation instead of the house and the senate, legalize weed and tax the shit out of it, end the war and bang, the budget looks great. Theres my quick fix to go with the jungle primaries idea.

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by e-gus on Aug 20, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'd say "pulling their weight" is exactly my point.

if you think that people making $250K/year haven’t been pulling their weight, then you must not think anyone has been.

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by MarketMaker on Aug 19, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

No doubt MM

this along with all the preceding comments

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Aug 20, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will probably get flamed for this

but i find most of the political talk on this board annoying. I come here for baseball, hot pics of players wives and neutral talk about the Wire. Just sayin.

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Aug 19, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

replace "this board" with "Internet" and I fully agree with you

Also: I’m Proposition Billy. You fuck with me, I’ll kill your whole family!

¡signature!

by billyok on Aug 19, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget the medical charts

Like a sausage, but with cracks on its surface.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 19, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

people who talk politics

are probably the ones who complain about pictures of feces and stuff like that.

by Hatchetm on Aug 19, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I didn’t see the feces, so I didn’t complain, but I probably would have. Not that poo isn’t funny, but it isn’t cool when I’m at work.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Flagged for not including soccer, feces, and special kids.

OT: I also find the hand-wringers amusing. Last night’s loss cost the division? I may be on your Kool-Ade, but those posters should be drinking mother’s milk.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 19, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I draw the line at Pods bashing

I mean, just stop it – ok?

Like a sausage, but with cracks on its surface.

by ChicagoPete on Aug 19, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

flagged

Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."

by e-gus on Aug 19, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

pete's right

that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma

by furby2056 on Aug 19, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed.

Playing .500 will cost us the division.

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 9:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

agreed.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 19, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

not beating the Royals will cost us the division

Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."

by e-gus on Aug 19, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

They are standing between us and 1st place not the Tigers who are actually in 1st place

by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 19, 2009 11:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Royals

vs Detroit 4-8
White Sox 7-7

how far behind Detroit are we again?

Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."

by e-gus on Aug 19, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Physician, heal thyself

and chill the “f” out. Just sayin’.

;)

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 9:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don't know about 'neutral' Wire talk

If you try to make (an admittedly unclear) joke about the Wire people will jump all over you so fast you’ll never get a chance to clarify.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

To your credit, your comment spawned a very good Wire thread

So, kudos to your ironic comment.

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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 19, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Learned my lesson

Coming soon: a fanpost about how Kenard is actually the best character on my show.

I’m predicting that I’ll be banned from SSS within 45 minutes.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

fial

*that show

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

well, i'm gonna respond if something quite relevant to me is being talked about.

my comment was that i’d like to see it avoided altogether. or perhaps in it’s own separate thread. but i’m not going to sit idly by while a select boisterous few continue to perpetuate misinformation to many who may not otherwise educate themselves. plus, i like to play counterpoint to the uninformed hyper-liberal fiscal policy advocates on this board. it’s funny how many people without a fucking dime have so many ideas about what to do with other people’s money.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Aug 19, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

MM, i got a paper cut this morning

could you send over some of that money you get from cashing checks to pay for my bandage? a few bucks for some neosporin would be great, too.

by larry on Aug 19, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Far and away the most boring game ever attended last night.

Garcia, though he got the job done in the early innings looked absolutely aweful throughout the entire game. We couldn’t hit the royals 3rd best reliever in either of his two innings pitched. Our bulpen looked nice but that was WAY overshadowed by Lexei’s game losing baserunning blunder, cost us 2 runs, the game, and possibly the season. How many games has he lost us this year do to his IQ? To top it all off the wave, not just in the lower bowl but the upper deck too! UGH!

Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity

by OznCoop on Aug 19, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

He's drowning in a pillow of sweat and drool in Ozzie's penthouse

lying next to Ozzie’s daughter

Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity

by OznCoop on Aug 19, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Niece.

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 10:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

In-law.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 19, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cowley's wife.

fuck you and the dick you rode in on. ~Trooper

by homesickalien on Aug 19, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

little surprised AJ is in there...but it works for me.

No whammies Pods, no whammies.

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by BobbySouthSide on Aug 19, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

For some inexplicable reason, they seem to think that Pods in center is less defensively damaging than Quentin in right.

Other than the “he hasn’t played there” argument (which doesn’t fly – see Beckham, Gordon), I have no idea why Q wouldn’t be able to handle the task, or why they think RF is more important than CF.

"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."

by RWShow on Aug 19, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe you missed it, but given his not-quite-healed foot...

It is a major injury risk to play him out of position. Maybe less so if done over the off season, but certainly not worth the risk now.
Freal.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 19, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

So, put the worst defensive player in your organization in the 2nd most important defensive position?

That’s ridiculous. If Q is healthy enough to play left, he’s healthy enough to play right.

"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."

by RWShow on Aug 19, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Q can't be a downgrade from JD. Sorry. I love JD, and he works hard and all that,

but god damn, he’s one SLOPOS with no range. Gimpy Q is no worse.

"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."

by RWShow on Aug 19, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

there is evidence that position changes increase the risk of injury. it has little to nothing to do with quentin’s current health.

by larry on Aug 19, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

So it's more of a "he is injury prone" thing?

Because obviously they were willing to move around Alexei, Beckham, Pods (between LF and CF), etc.

"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."

by RWShow on Aug 19, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which part was I unclear on - CF being 2nd most important, or Pods being the wrost?

Or if you got those, which one do you disagree with?

"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."

by RWShow on Aug 19, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

wrost?

fail

"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."

by RWShow on Aug 19, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

that line up lists both rios and dye in right

so this whole thread is garbage.

im telling sb nation.

Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."

by e-gus on Aug 19, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

And rightfully so.

I find errant batting orders offensive, and think nobody should post them without subject lines.

"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."

by RWShow on Aug 19, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

As I understand, top 3 goes SS, CF, 2B.

Catcher is such a different animal. I guess if you want to get technical, pitcher is the most important “defensive” position, if you define “defense” by run prevention and ability to achieve outs.

I was purely talking positional fielding.

"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."

by RWShow on Aug 19, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I specifically omitted pitchers and catchers from my argument.

"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."

by RWShow on Aug 19, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm...

You changed your “argument” after the fact. If you’re going to add qualifiers, such as the omission of catchers from a discussion of the importance of defensive positions, you ought to say so first—especially when omitting catchers from the discussion isn’t the status quo. We aren’t mind readers. Well, at least I’m not.

Don't call it a comeback.

by Toonderstrook on Aug 19, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

My apologies.

"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."

by RWShow on Aug 19, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're still wrong in that case.

2B and 3B are as important as CF. i take it you didn’t follow the link?

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Aug 19, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

1. Kenny does not think CF is as difficult as L/RF (see: KGJr)
2. The chance for injury increases substantially (I’m not looking for the numbers right now) when a player changes positions. Q’s health is not a risk worth taking just to keep Pods out of CF.

fuck you and the dick you rode in on. ~Trooper

by homesickalien on Aug 19, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know if it's a Kenny thing or an Ozzie thing

with regards to not thinking CF is as important as the corners, but you’re right, it’s clear the organization isn’t as concerned as I am. Either way, I will continue to dislike the policy.

"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."

by RWShow on Aug 19, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kenny:
“Center field is actually the easiest of the outfield positions to play from a health perspective. I know that doesn’t sound right because you’ve got to go a lot of left and right, but trust me, it’s a little easier to play center field.

“[Instinctively], we feel he’s going to give us at least what we were getting out there,” Williams added. “Remember, we didn’t have the prototypical guy out there in the first place. Swish did a heck of a job, and he’ll continue to get some time out there. But he isn’t the most prototypical guy that you can put out there, and you don’t have to be if you have good baseball instincts.”

fuck you and the dick you rode in on. ~Trooper

by homesickalien on Aug 19, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

That quote is in response to the Griffey acquisition, so I'm not necessarily saying the same thought is guiding Pods into CF this year.

Especially since, KW claimed it was easiest from a health perspective.

So maybe Q should be in CF.
:P

fuck you and the dick you rode in on. ~Trooper

by homesickalien on Aug 19, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

One appendage, at least.

Left arm.

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by winningugly on Aug 20, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you. I recall that from last year as well, and scratching my head about it then.

"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."

by RWShow on Aug 19, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

screw pods

Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity

by OznCoop on Aug 19, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

OPOS!!!!!!

Am I cool yet?

NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE

by mjthor on Aug 19, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Well that's not very nice.

But true, I suppose.

NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE

by mjthor on Aug 19, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

for the most part

that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma

by furby2056 on Aug 19, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm a follower, not a leader

i just agree with people on here, and laugh at the most opportune times…unless what they say is complete bullshit, then i say knock off the tomfoolery…or that might be larry, i don’t know anymore!

that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma

by furby2056 on Aug 19, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

and you introduced the site to a great drink

1 pt mcdonald’s sweet tea, 7 parts georgi vodka

by Q!'s Qrew on Aug 19, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

that drink is pure win

that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma

by furby2056 on Aug 19, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know what's the easiest way to read this site?

Check the box that collapses all the comments. That’s instant censorship.

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 19, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Looking at Quentin get tagged at home

Would have been much more enjoyable if he just destroyed the Catcher

by Carbiner on Aug 19, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I was thinking that during the game

but the catcher was set up on such an angle that to do so would’ve required a torii hunter/jamie burke going-way-outside-the-basepath situation. And with our luck, Q! would’ve been lost for the season as a result.

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man

by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh loook at him!

that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma

by furby2056 on Aug 19, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cowley twitters:
According to Coop, Peavy needs at least two more rehab starts.

"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."

by RWShow on Aug 19, 2009 10:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Yep. Then when he's ready to come up after this "spring training" it'll be with

Dead-arm Syndrome.

We’re effed.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 19, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

To be the best you bhave to beat the best.

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 10:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Durham Bulls?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 19, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Flip Mode!

fuck you and the dick you rode in on. ~Trooper

by homesickalien on Aug 19, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

OT: Mike Vick interview kills Don Hewitt.

Jeff Lurie ought to watch his ass.

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 10:47 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

That reminds me...

glad to see you’re posting this morning. I was worried when I saw “Disney performer dies after suffering head injury” as a news link last night.

Don't call it a comeback.

by Toonderstrook on Aug 19, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

ha!

Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."

by e-gus on Aug 19, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for your concern.

3 in the last 7 weeks. OSHA should have a field day.

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by winningugly on Aug 19, 2009 10:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

for those who debate the merits of a lefty-heavy starting rotation
Now, the interesting thing is that these teams were collectively better than average. They played to an aggregate winning percentage of .519 (1592-1478). Six of the 19 teams won their division, eight won 90 games, and just seven finished below .500. I’ve spent a lot of time arguing that the industry’s obsession with left-handed pitching is misguided, but it does seem that teams getting a lot of starts from left-handers are better than ones that don’t. If you expand the dataset to all teams getting at least 60 percent of their starts from lefties, you actually improve the overall winning percentage (to .520) and add in some postseason teams. Teams getting at least 60 percent of their starts from left-handers, well under five percent of all teams in the years under discussion, have made the postseason 30 percent of the time.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9411

by larry on Aug 19, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Interesting analysis

I guess we should have kept Richard. ;)

Those are some pretty good hitting teams as well. The analysis doesn’t show pitching stats of these teams compared to other teams with RHP dominate staffs at the time, just winning percentages.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 19, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Any general lefty vs righty starter numbers?

Overall I mean, like over the past decade every regular starter (Say minimum 50 starts or something). Out of curiosity

by Carbiner on Aug 19, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think we will win the league this year

I’ve watched Detoit a few of times the last week or so, they are an ok team, but seem to make a lot less fuck ups than we do. They have a bit more polish about them.

by hoodlight on Aug 19, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions  

And it's getting late early...

If the Tiggers go 22 and 22 the rest of the way (with an easier schedule than the Sox), that means the Sox have to go 24 and 18 to force a playoff.

Or as a % , if Tiggers play .500 the Sox have play .600 and then win a one game playoff

by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Aug 19, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

what kind of changes should we expect if we don't win the division this year?

dump pods (not much to dump contractually), and either dye or thome…but i would do that even if the sox won the division…

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 19, 2009 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm intrigued as to who they pick between Dye and Thome if the front office refused to bring both of them back

You think the front office is going to be active in the FA market aside from their own guys (Dotel, Thome, Dye)?

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 19, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Thome getting dinged up this year and his age will make it hard for the team to bring him

back unless it is for a real bargain. I could see JD being back as PT RF’er/DH.

I thought it was a no brainer that we would sign Chone???? ;)

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 19, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus - Minus

Assuming Sox mgmt does not want JD to play the outfield next year then.

JD + = More productive hitter and better base runner than Thome, can play the outfield or 1st base in a pinch.

JD – = Will probably want twice the salary of Thome and is a righthanded hitter.

Thome + = less expensive, comfortable as a DH, and left handed hitter,

Thome – = all the pluses for JD.

Myself, I think the Sox sign Chone Figgins (unless the bidding gets too high) and they trade Alexei (has good trade value, Sox have alternatives at short, and they must know that they have to upgrade the defense).

by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Aug 19, 2009 12:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm off to a commune to live what I preach and fight capitalism!

Actually also on my way out to eat

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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Aug 19, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

get a job, hippie.

Took 3 years to find out about disco demolition night.

by Jackkoho on Aug 20, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

clearly.

Took 3 years to find out about disco demolition night.

by Jackkoho on Aug 20, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

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