Jose Contreras Removes All Doubt
When I left town on Friday, I was among the group who thought that the weekend series with the Orioles had the potential to be a major turning point on the season. Jim laid out the reasons why the White Sox should have taken 2-out-of-3 while holding out hope for a sweep. Well we all know how that turned out...
And the importance of that series is only amplified by the first two games of this Boston series when the Sox send Jose Contreras and Freddy Garcia to the mound. Victories are unlikely when either takes the mound, even rarer when they're faced with a patient and powerful lineup, and nearly impossible when you give away as many runs as the Sox did on Monday. With adequate defense, not even spectacular defense -- just good enough to keep images of the Little League World Series buried safely in the recesses of your brain -- the Red Sox first 7 runs would not have crossed home.
It takes a special kind of ineptitude to allow 7 consecutive runs that shouldn't have scored, but Jose Contreras and these White Sox make a special team. In the second, Jayson Nix fell asleep to allow the Sawks to cut the Sox lead in half on a steal of second, turned rundown, turned steal of home. Then in the 3rd Contreras completely lost his shit, loading the bases with 2 out and appearing to induce Big Papi into an inning ending nubber. But Count first stared at then booted the routine play up the line to give the Sawks their second gift run of the game before he started feeling really generous.
A walk and a wild pitch completely erased the White Sox lead, giving the Red Sox 4 runs in less than 3 innings, none of them driven in with a hit. Contreras further showed his versatility when he gave up the death blow, a 3-run homer to Mike Lowell, or as Toonderstruck put it, the Contreras Cycle; 4 hits, 3 walks, 2 wild pitches, an error and a hit batter.
It's hard to understand why Contreras is still in the rotation, but then you remember that Freddy Garcia pitches tomorrow and realize it doesn't matter.
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noose tightned
time to jump off the stool
Praise Him!!
by Hawk is God on Aug 24, 2009 11:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Time to add to the board.

Flowers – who is apparently the motherfucking boogeyman of the southern league
by omnipotent grab on Aug 25, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I hope Andy is down there.
I hope I can make it across the border.
I hope to see my friend and shake his hand.
I hope the Pacific is as blue as it has been in my dreams.
I hope."
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
by HappyHuman on Aug 25, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
2nd favorite movie of all time
we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip
by BoeJouma on Aug 25, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rather curious to see what movie you think could possibly top it.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Natural
we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip
by BoeJouma on Aug 25, 2009 3:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
About 50 of them.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silent era films don't count.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I would go back to Citizen Kane.
Chinatown, Godfather I and II, Taxi Driver, Patton, GoodFellas, Bull Durham (fer Chrissakes), Blazing Saddles/Young Frankenstein, Annie Hall, 12 Angry Men, In The Valley of Elah (yeah, I’m down with new movies), Duck Soup, The Magnificent Seven.
I mean. we could do this all day. And I’m not even listing The Prince of Tides yet. Shawshank is maybe top 50.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I couldn't disagree more.
Of the films you listed, only 12 Angry Men and Citizen Kane would make a list of mine. The Godfather films and GoodFellas are vastly overrated films – good, but not great… there are a handful of gangster movies I’d put before those.
But to each their own.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find 12 angry men to be a bit overrated
It’s a good film but not amazing. Perhaps if I was overly fond of the American judicial system I’d like it more.
by Carbiner on Aug 25, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"overly fond"
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do we determine what is overly fond?
and easy with the defensiveness.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, too, think this was slightly overly defensive… but the phrase itself is funny enough for me to disregard the emotion entirely.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Godfather films are classic.
Films classes in the late ’70’s were all about Coppola. Godfather I and II are in my top 5. So I disagree vehemently, too. So there.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sticking my tongue out at you.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sticking the broken end of a broomhandle in you.
;)
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we flirting? Because - and don't be offended - if I'm making the jump to peen, I'm doing it with Beckham.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I have a broomhandle.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Godfather I and II and Goodfellas are classics. Sorry
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They sure are. Extremely well-liked films.
I simply didn’t enjoy them nearly as much as the rest of the world seemed to.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WU got game
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good list
Others I liked—Field of Dreams, The Sting, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, The Graduate, One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, The Longest Yard, CaddyShack, Top Gun, Dog Day Afternoon, Analyze This, My Cousin Vinny, The Hustler, Raging Bull…………….
by mick10 on Aug 25, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't argue with many of those.
Analyze This, however…fer Chrissakes. And The Longest yard better be Reynolds and not Sandler.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when did ryan reynolds remake that old sandler movie?
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicholson was brilliant in that, imo.
And yes, Reynolds. Didn’t see the new one.
by mick10 on Aug 25, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I shall add on
Wall Street, Back to the Future, Rocky, and of course the greatest documentary of all-time Hoop Dreams.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 25, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back to the Future? You're kidding....
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the few 80s movies that remains entertaining, a huge accomplishment.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 25, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I would rank some John Hughes movie's over this
and that isn’t saying much. Also Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Ferris Bueller’s Day off, Princess Bride….all over Back to the Future.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh shit I forgot about Bueller
I’ll switch those two around. But, still, I love Back to the Future. That and the Lion King are 2 movies you could never feel lame watching.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 25, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% with you on Back to the Future. Few movies are as fun to watch; it's one of my very favorites.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd also list some Indian movies, but I'm guessing no one has sat through a 4 hour musical in Hindi
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 25, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'd probably enjoy those more than, say, any of the repulsive trash Baz Luhrmann has vomited upon the world.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not that hokey
Bombay, Sholay, Baazigar, Darr……they are really entertaining, well-acted, and incredible music. If you have time to waste, get them on Netflix.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 25, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yes to Hoop Dreams...one of my favorites for sure
I remember going to see it at Piper’s Alley as a kid
by Q!'s Qrew on Aug 25, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw it in high school for a project, absolutely amazing, definitely in my top 10
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 25, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd go 100 w/ a good 25 from France, Italy and Hong Kong
by RoyEgan on Aug 25, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what movies from Hong Kong?
I particularly like the French film “Delicatessen”, but I’m interested to know your Cantonese recommendations.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Aug 25, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The French make great films
Americans make films for Children, Brits make films for adolescents and the French make films for adults
by hoodlight on Aug 25, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a friggin French lover...
must be a Catherine Deneuve crush from adolescence.
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by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anouk Aimee
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Aug 25, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Water for Chocolate
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i watched that in high school spanish
con senora selano
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Aug 25, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you ever seen a pic of Roger Vadim?
managed to get Catherine Deneuve, Jane Fonda, and Brigitte Bardot when they were all in their prime. Good fucking work that is.
by hoodlight on Aug 25, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just looked the chap up and he must have used some sort of mind-f*ck
Because he doesn’t look like anything special.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Italians?
Come ON! Film noir and all.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw the Gomorrah last year
and thought it was outstanding. and yes I agree with you Bicycle Thieves is one of the greatest movies ever made, although that is neorealist rather than film noir
by hoodlight on Aug 25, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've been waiting on gomorrah from netflix. pumped for that one. heard/read good things.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the new 2 part john woo movie Red Cliff is a masterpiece
I’d go w/ Infernal Affairs (remade as Departed)
Election
The Killer or Hard Boiled
Crouching Tiger
Lust/Caution
In the Mood for Love
Chungking Express
old skool — 7 Chambers of Shaolin or Hero
by RoyEgan on Aug 25, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the early John Woo stuff
The Killer and Hard Boiled, that shit just blew me away when i first saw it
by hoodlight on Aug 25, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
umberto lenzi- greatest of the Italian pulp crime directors
Almost Human
Nightmare City
by RoyEgan on Aug 25, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember Nightmare City in my films class in college.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old Boy is very good
Korean, not Hong Kong, well worth a watch.
by hoodlight on Aug 25, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fav Koreans
Memories of Murder — Bong Joon-ho
A Bittersweet Life — Kim Ji-woon
by RoyEgan on Aug 25, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen a few Korean and Japanese movies that were excellent
don’t know the name, but a Korean film I loved is about a female assassin that is out to kill another assassin and they fall in love (iirc) and he figures her out.
Blue Spring from Japan was nuts, as was some film involving some sort of yellow banana costume. Good stuff.
also, thanks for the tips.
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by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Aug 25, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're thinking of 'Shiri' -- nice film
…if u like Blue Spring you’ll love anything by
Takashi Miiki — he’s the one everyone imitates…
Audition (if u got the stomach)
or Ichi the Killer — the most vile and exciting Japanese film of the last 25 years
by RoyEgan on Aug 25, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
old boy is effed up
but awesome nonetheless
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Aug 25, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Godfather, Taxi Driver
Lots of movies are close to equal (not to say it’s not great): No Country for Old men, The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly, The Usual Suspects, Memento, Das Boot, Godfather 2 several others.
Notable Movies that aren’t better than Shawshank: There Will Be Blood (still a good movie obviously, just an awful score though), Goodfellas, Pulp Fiction, Fight Club, The Matrix, Se7en, Apocalypse Now, Aliens, Saving Private Ryan, and a good deal more that don’t presently come to mind.
by Carbiner on Aug 25, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dark Knight is pretty high on my list
by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 25, 2009 8:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Dark Knight quite a bit
And Christopher Nolan even more, but it’s too controversial to say anything more than “best superhero movie by far,” as of yet, makes people accuse you of being an amateur film-watcher essentially.
by Carbiner on Aug 25, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dark Knight is one of the worst films I've ever seen
what a load of rubbish
by hoodlight on Aug 25, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was so damn amped up for TDK, and so incredibly disappointed when I saw it.
I’ve watched it again a few times -at least once all the way through – and am still mystified as to how anybody could find it superior to Batman Begins, which was a genuinely great film.
I’m not an instance of someone who actively WANTS to hate popular films in an effort to be hip (cough hoodlight), but TDK was not very good.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that doesn't mean anything.
it is what it is......
by BuehrleMan on Aug 25, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
always with the hyperbole about how much you dislike things.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is British.
Look how much the Commonwealth has lost in 200 years. You’d be honked off, too.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...people who deal in absolutes...
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A number of those you listed are indeed great, and perhaps even close.
But none match or top Shawshank. Because that’s impossible.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosebud!?
I still haven’t seen Citizen Kane, about to watch Seven Samurai for the first time.
by Carbiner on Aug 25, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
both in my top 5 --and i been in h'wood 25 years.
and how anybody can single out the mawkish sentimentality of shawshank over great art like The Wild Bunch is totally batshit
by RoyEgan on Aug 25, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Wild Bunch is a great film
I love that movie
by hoodlight on Aug 25, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fav brit films
…if
o lucky man
long good friday
Lawrence of ar.
3rd Man
by RoyEgan on Aug 25, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snatch was excellent.
;)
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never could decide which I hated more, Snatch or Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Madonna Fouls Everything.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm trying to recall if I bothered to attempt to sit through Swept Away.
My friends were such huge fans of Ritchie that it’s possible I had it forced upon me.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that movie is in my bottom 3.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i refuse to ever watch that movie
I loathe madonna
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Aug 25, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't put either in a category of hatred...
They each had their moments.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hitler had his moments.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could learn something from his focus and determination.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WU's love for JAPs just keeps getting in the way.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love snatch
gets funnier every single time I watch it
Tyrone: I didn’t see it there.
Vincent: It’s a four ton truck Tyrone. It’s not as though it was a bag of fuckin peanuts, now is it?
Tyrone: It was a funny an-gle
Vincent: It’s behind you. When you reverse things come from behind you!
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Aug 25, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Orson Welles is rolling over in his grave
because he did not write that.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not saying it's an all-time great movie
it’s a fun caper. and pretty funny
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Aug 25, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Guy Ritchie films are a crime against humanity
by hoodlight on Aug 25, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's your opinion of Simon Pegg?
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 25, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Simon Cowell
(AKA luckiest SOB on the planet)
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by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about this guy?

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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like comedians from the last 20 years
they are all shit
by hoodlight on Aug 25, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock
Louis CK……the list goes on.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 25, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Chappelle (pre breakdown) and Chris Rock
would be the only two I could think of that worth a shit.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evidently George Carlin died in the 80s
along with Cosby, Seinfeld, and a whole host of other guys who you’re overlooking.
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"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seinfeld isn't funny
his whole act is a watered down rip off of Bill Hicks
by hoodlight on Aug 25, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody is apparently a rip-off of Bill Hicks.
I’ve never liked him, mainly because of his fans.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 25, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meaner, coked-up/drunk version
of Dennis Miller.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a fan
Hicks is rubbish, Seinfeld is worse
by hoodlight on Aug 25, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would state that Carlin and Cosby
had been around longer than the previous 20-years. Actually Cosby hasn’t done much in the past 20-years.
I don’t care for Seinfeld that much.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Adam Sandler.
Both douche’s
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No love for Raw or Delirious?
They’ve all just been trying to perfect Richard Pryor anyways.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 25, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, the character is called Simon.
I was trying to stick with the theme.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Lewis Black. And Dennis Miller… even if he's gone strange in his old age.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah baby, yeah!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shawshank Redemption is sentimental horse muck.
by hoodlight on Aug 25, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Godfather's just a bloody massacrefest!
by Carbiner on Aug 25, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at how Coppola builds tension with lighting,
editing, camera movement. The older I get, the more amazing the movie is. Oh, and it was the first movie in which I ever saw a woman’s naked peaks. Didn’t look like Mom at all. Was glad of that. Appolonia!!!
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought your mother had nice titties.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She did.
At least that’s what my Dad said. Would not have married her otherwise.
You know Italian women, Spaghetti Bender.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm onto romanian women now. still dark skinned, still sexy, still fucking crazy. it's a blast.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they are hot for the freedom!
And yet still feeling oppressed! Nice get. I have a buddy of mine trying to talk me into going there (or Russia). If I were single I’d be all over it.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1. she wears heels like 99% of the time.
so hot. i love it. and the accent…damn. i’m gonna look back fondly on this when it’s over.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
can't agree with you on the heels
because it makes me think of the heels with jeans look (a white trash staple until “sex and the city” made it the yuppie flavor du jour),…
but the rest of the comment makes it good enough to rec.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Aug 25, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heels with everything, my friend. heels with everything.
and what would you replace heels with anyways? flats? i don’t have to walk around in them, for chrissakes.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What can I say, heels don't do it for me
Not to say I don’t appreciate a woman that looks good in heels, but I’m just now a “heels with everything” kind of guy.
Now show me a girl that looks good in Chuck Taylors, and I’ll show you a girl that I’d love to…
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Aug 25, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eeeb. That should be "I'm just not a heels with everything guy"
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Aug 25, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...get matching high gauge earrings with?
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know what you're trying to say
Girl who looks great in a hat is big in my book
by Q!'s Qrew on Aug 25, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell me you're fucking with him now.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the heels can NOT have straps or ties around the ankle.
They look trashy regardless of the wearer.
I’m with you on basic heels though.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Aug 25, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is getting weird.
Like a Sex in the City episode.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically it's an episode of Entourage
Since it’s just a discussion between a bunch of lame dudes.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 25, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we can blow right past that
and turn this into a scene from failure to launch.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or would he's just not that into you have been better.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
appolonia! hell yeah!
dancing on the sand.
by thecip on Aug 25, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your mise en sucks
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
favorite movies:
hmm it seems im still 15.
Saving Private Ryan
Blues Brothers
Sin City
Rocky III
Braveheart
Tombstone
Seven Samurai – (Ive been watching the lone wolf and cub series from netflix – great seventies samurai series)
I thought the Hangover was great, but i said the same thing re: Theres something about mary and I dont consider that timeless anymore.
widening the spectrum:
Amelie
Princess Bride
Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."
by e-gus on Aug 25, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 just for amelie
i adore that character
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Aug 25, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with putting memento up there
also agree with There Will Be Blood. Fabulous acting, not the best movie though, IMO
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Aug 25, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
spaceballs, goddamnit!
dancing on the sand.
by thecip on Aug 25, 2009 8:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
spaceballs was the last movie my mom ever took my brother and me to see
we lost our shit throughout the movie and embarassed her to pieces when they said ‘and I see your schwartz is as big as mine.’
it is great. so is Im gonna git you sucka. love that movie too.
Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."
by e-gus on Aug 25, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's that one with Laurel and Hardy pushing the piano up the hill?
that’s better
by hoodlight on Aug 25, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Full Monty induced weeping.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like shawshank redemption.
I wouldn’t try to rank movies, but it’s up there.
all you fuckers are doing is reciting IMDB’s top 250. congratulations.
by Trooper on Aug 25, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate imdb. they printed my birthdate.
by RoyEgan on Aug 25, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your expiration date, too.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing you can say
is that Kenny is relatively blameless in this debacle. He knew there was a high probability that the Class of ‘05 reunion would go to shit, which is why he got Peavy, and saw a need he could fill in the as-yet unproductive-but-not-fatally-so Rios. Our needs are going to be very clear-cut for next year so I think there’s reason for optimism.
by sainteny on Aug 24, 2009 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i feel as though rios hasnt been able to make his own fate
i mean, fuck, if ozzie would fuckin play him, we might see him DO something
we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip
by BoeJouma on Aug 24, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching Dye last night - one has to wonder
has he hit the wall? He looked awful at the plate. He needs some time off…his at bats in the 3-hole are killing the team. As much as I want Pods benched – I think I would rather have Rios in RF with Pods, ugh, sticking in CF for the next few games.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't that long ago that
picking up his option was at least a possibility . . . that no longer exists at all. He has been just awful . . . since the ASB, .180/.286.287 . . . ouch.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 25, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you thought that was a possibility? i didn't. i always thought it was a renegotiate at best.
that would be paying well over market, no?
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, who knows what the market
would be . . . but probably by a little. Though sometimes, it might be worthwhile for a team to pay a 1/12 rather than a 2/18 or something like that. From a value perspective, he is so poor with the glove that he actually is worth more as a DH. His first half line was 302 .375 .567 . . . if he continued near that level, imo, Reinsdorf would have thought about picking it up because it would not be terrible from a value perspective and he is loyal to certain players and I think Dye would be one of those. Now, it will likely be way off from a value perspective.
I never thought it was a guarantee at any point, but at least a decision that needed to be made . . . he is making the decision for them now.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 25, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he's capable of some great numbers if he were to DH full time.
that being said, it would also add to his shelf life. if the sox decide to part ways with thome, then i wouldn’t mind seeing something like a 2 yr/ $13MM deal with dye. even that might be generous. i just think given the deals of abreu and burrell last offseason, which are probably comparable, dye’s option was worthless.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is the guy blameless? Everyone knew that trading away Richard(s) and Poreda
Weakened the rotation/pen big time. I don’t mind because I think it’s better in the long run, but KW is the architect of this team and his moves have directly caused Contreras and Freddy and all the other shitty 5th starters we’ve had to endure.
by madvillian on Aug 25, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't see how this is Kenny's fault
I certainly don’t think trading Poreda and Richard weakened our rotation or our pen either. Poreda was in Charlotte and Richard was in the same heap of shit with Jose, Garcia and Colon for the 5th spot. Williams saw a chance to sell high and buy low with Peavy and he jumped. I applaud the move both for the future as well as this season.
I agree, we can question the trade of Vasquez which put us in the mess of the 4th and 5th spots to start the season but we hung around the division lead long enough for him to make the move for Peavy. This has been one of the most frustrating teams in sox history to watch and I’m thankful we are taking steps now to make us better in the future.
by mick10 on Aug 25, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We came into the season with a lower payroll than in '06.
That’s the choice that Kenny made. I’m not sure we’re in a position to criticize him for that decision.
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Just pointing out an area that might be open to second guessing. I liked the trade and was all for it. Kenny is handed a payroll number each year and I think he did as well as can be expected with that number, given some of the contracts he has to work with.
by mick10 on Aug 25, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The budgeting is more fluid than that
and of course how the teams do influences what can be spent, so I certainly agree that you can second guess Kenny on those terms. it’s just that we have far fewer details about that stuff. we assume that Kenny had to get that number down…but did he need to cut $25MM? and without knowledge of the trade market, we really don’t know what Kenny may have passed on.
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 weeks ago he's a genius for getting Peavy.
2 weeks ago he’s a genius for getting Rios. Now he’s an idiot.
And I get pissed because someone complains about their one month return on investment. I would not do what KW does.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, what movie is this?
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Aug 25, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame orlando hernandez and those stupid socks
hyman roth would roll over in his grave if he saw what cuba has become
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Aug 24, 2009 11:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wheels falling off in the southland
ouch
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 24, 2009 11:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
10-0 Detroit in the 6th
and Im go to bed grumpy.
Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."
by e-gus on Aug 24, 2009 11:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i blame this on you cheat
another witty game thread headline
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 24, 2009 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have been having visions lately
think it’s time for another dead on prediction. stay tuned.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 24, 2009 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have sat through and finished a lot of soul-crushing White Sox defeats over the years, but rarely have I simply given up, shut off the TV, and walked away.
I did so tonight. I cannot quite explain what it was about this game that was more emotionally devastating than most, but this one felt like more than “a loss in Boston”. Especially since I went into tonight EXPECTING “a loss in Boston”. It isn’t as though they lost a game I thought they’d win, it’s just… the way they lost this one… this was gut-wrenching in the way game 3 of Thunderdome was last year.
Somehow they recovered from that one, so who the fuck knows, maybe they recover from this. God damn, it sure doesn’t feel likely though.
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by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 12:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Two things are particularly frustrating
- We’re still not going to bat with our best nine on the field, and that’s on Ozzie. I can understand Dye and Quentin needing to rest every few games, but Rios ought to be out in CF “ay day” (hat tip to Charles Rogers), if only for his defense.
- This team seems to make more dumbass mistakes than any Sox team Ozzie has managed. The pickoffs, the dropped flyballs, the fuck-ups on hitting the cut-off man, the errors… Contreras had plenty of time to get to that ball — he probably could’ve did a little waltz over there with time to spare. Instead he awkwardly sprints like Ellsbury is going down the line… fucking ridiculous.
Sigh… can it be opening day 2010 yet? Okay, so I don’t really mean that — I’ll try to spare y’all the hyperbole. But when do we find out when Peavy descends upon his golden chariot? Tomorrow?
by CWSKeith on Aug 25, 2009 12:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
id bet sep 4th
we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip
by BoeJouma on Aug 25, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although coop says this Saturday if peavy feels up for it.
Thats was cowley and gonzales were sayin.
we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip
by BoeJouma on Aug 25, 2009 3:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
we've got almost nothing to loose now so why not keep him down there and slow him into this
Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity
by OznCoop on Aug 25, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The truly excruciating thing is
we still are over .500 and not out of it. Even if we won the division I’d be tempted to have the Sox throw it back – like a fish that is just too small to be kept. I’m all for a catch-and-release season. Just playing for the sport of it. No pressure at all. No gut-wrenching pain.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what this road trip will cement
everyone will finally stop caring about each and every result.
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was editing the commercials out of buehrle's perfect game that I pulled off my tivo
right before the beginning of the 9th they snuck in 3 frames (1/10 of a second) of this:

subliminal marketing? foreshadowing? incompetent video guy? the world may never know.
anyway, thats all I have to say about this game.
by Trooper on Aug 25, 2009 4:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
3 frames. thats hilarious.
so now that you have the perfecto burned to dvd how much do you want for a copy?
Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."
by e-gus on Aug 25, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've gotta try a better encoder.
The one built-in to the editor just sets a flat bitrate to make it fit, so it’s shitty on fast panning shots of which baseball has many. If it wasn’t illegal, clearly, I would certainly arrange extra copies or possibly a download of the iso.
by Trooper on Aug 25, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if I tell ya I know how you can get express written consent?
Just know that this guys writing looks exactly like mine
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Aug 25, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how big was the total video file?
still in HD?
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 25, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Took over an hour to download to my iPhone from iTunes.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Aug 25, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
15 gig
about one hour 1:55 minutes total. game is about 97 minutes from first pitch to last out, then about 5 minutes in the pregame and the rest is the postgame interviews on the field and and then the press conference at the end.
I don’t have a bluray player or burner, but I’ll be saving the full video for when I do for sure.
by Trooper on Aug 25, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure as hell beats a frame of a penis (depending on your persuasion of course, nttawt)
a la fight club
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Aug 25, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+by-
Jose will no longer start which means we can at least have a chance to win some of these games. the tigers are going to be mad that Jose wont pitch anymore because there lead is going to start to dwindle.
Real Baseball Will Prevail ask the twins
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
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by Czheck on Aug 25, 2009 5:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Frustrating. But I hope people don't get pissed at Jose.
He worked very hard to come back after his injury last year. But it is obvious that he doesn’t have any gas left in the tank. Who the hell knows how old he really is?
I hope yesterday was his last start. His spot in the rotation is an automatic loss. Plus, I would rather Contreras be remembered for 2005 and 2006 rather than being unable to field a dribbler with the bases loaded in 2009.
Jose’s lasting legacy? He was the Sox’ ambassador to Cuba. I don’t think the Sox get Alexei or Viciedo without Jose and his agent.
by 67WMAQ on Aug 25, 2009 6:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you forgot to tell Jose not to let the door hit him in the ass on the way out.
j/k….I agree with what you are saying. It isn’t all on Jose – we knew what he was and so did the Sox. The wheels finally came off the track and it’s time to go in another direction. That dribbler was maddening though.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a strange one
Even after the injury he was still consistently throwing in the low 90’s this year. Incredibly gifted, when he’s throwing that forkball for strikes he’s practically unhittable. We’d probably be leading the division if he could pull his head out of his ass.
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 25, 2009 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love everything about jose contreras
except his pitching, i hope that he stays in the organization as the guy is a class act and could be a big asset for us in getting latin american players
Brian Anderson strikes out swinging. Three out.
by JOSEPANIAGUA on Aug 25, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like so see him in the pen, I think he may thrive there
Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity
by OznCoop on Aug 25, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What drives me crazy
is there never seems to be anything wrong with him physically. He’ll start missing the strike zone and becomes an emotional basket case. We were very lucky to get the performance we got from him in 2005, thank you El Duque & Coop.
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 25, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine what the Yankees felt when they saw his 2005
and first half of 2006. I think, in retrospect, they are glad to be rid of the high-wire walking nut job that he seems to be, no matter what sporadic success he’s had with us.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where's tdogg to tell me that contreras has been worth two wins above replacement this season?
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SO HAS PODS.
OUR WHOLE TEAM IS ONE WIN ABOVE REPLACEMENT.
(Except Liney.)
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sox are 7-14 in his starts
Turn that around a little to a mediocre 11-10 and they’re in first place. Maybe it’s just me being overly demanding, but that’s not too much to ask of someone earning $12mm/yr is it?
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 25, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not particularly jose's fault that someone decided to pay him that.
i would say it’s not overly demanding to ask the white sox not to sign players to such contracts.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't really blame them
He looked like a Hall of Famer when they gave him that contract. And he hasn’t had any arm problems so they properly predicted his health.
I’m pointing fingers at him and JD for us falling short this year – look at this, JD has had ONE extra base hit the entire month of August. – that’s unbelievable. He must have a bad leg again or something, even when he sucked in 2007 he never had a month like this.
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 25, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
old pitchers probably shouldn't get long-term contracts like that.
don’t have to have arm problems to simply not be able to pitch effectively anymore. i don’t point fingers at players who simply can’t play at an acceptable level anymore. it would be like blaming WU for being unable to refrain from pissing the bed at night. what do you expect?
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had a lot of leverage when they gave him that extension
Would’ve been a PR disaster if he walked away as a FA.
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 25, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so then you're pointing fingers at a guy who used his leverage to get a good deal for himself
and after his second half in 06, may not have been so much of a PR disaster. there’s a reason you don’t sign “34” year old pitchers to what are effectively four year deals. i don’t think you need me to tell you that most of those work out exactly how this one has.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pointing fingers at a guy,
and saying stop crying,get your thumb out of your mouth and pitch like a man.
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 25, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you really think he can pitch better?
i mean, really? what evidence is there of that at this point? he’s been pretty shit for three seasons now.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
am i allowed to invoke your avatar here?
i assume he doesn’t make his next start, right? a good possibility he’s done? if so, someone else will give us contreras-level innings.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The evidence is the 6 game stretch of dominance
Doesn’t mean he will do it but he still has the ability to randomly, if we did make the playoffs and he hit a similar stretch for that period wouldn’t he be the hero all over again?
by Carbiner on Aug 25, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure, he tantalizes.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but that's the problem, right?
people think a shitty pitcher’s starts are consistent. there are a million ways to get contreras’ numbers. just because he doesn’t give up 4 runs in 6 or 7 innings every time doesn’t mean that he’s not of equivalent competency. this start is the downside to a +5 era guy who has had a couple good outings.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His stuff is not the problem
Seems like every start he comes out and pitches fine for a few innings. Then he starts missing the strike zone a little and he falls apart. It’s not like he’s Sweaty Freddy and can barely push the ball up there faster than 85mph.
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 25, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
That’s why the bullpen might be worth a shot. He’s done as a starter though. You have to applaud the effort he put in to even make it back this year.
by mick10 on Aug 25, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really don't follow the contreras to the bullpen idea that's being suggested by a few people.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's either that or release him
I’d say it’s worth a shot to try him.
by mick10 on Aug 25, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the idea is that he may still be effective over an inning or so.
i’ve subscribed to this notion for awhile now. it’s at least worth a try.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it may be worth a try because he is otherwise worthless.
i meant it more in terms of next season, in which case i’m not considering a nearly 40 year old pitcher with a history of back problems and command issues to be able to loosen up in time to be effective when he’s needed coming out of the pen. wasn’t that the issue when the bullpen was first suggested? that contreras couldn’t get loose in time?
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't recall that.
i see no reason to bring him back next year. someone will sign him to be a starter (i.e., more money). he should do that. i could be persuaded otherwise if he’s effective out of the bullpen for the next month and embraces the role (and he doesn’t cost much, of course). but methinks he’ll go for the money, as well he should.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't disagree, but the inability to consistently execute is the issue.
whether you think it’s mental or physical, it’s still a problem. it’s more frustrating when a guy is good, bad, good, bad, then just mediocre all the time.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm.
performs well for a short period and then can’t anymore. boy, what might that be attributable to.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Raises hand slowly in the back of the class.)
May I go to the bathroom now? Oh, and I can answer that.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're the kid that shouts out the right answer after the kid who actually knew the answer says it.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naw, that wasn't me.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flomax might be able to correct that problem
by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 25, 2009 1:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Here I am.
Actually working today. Hey I got no defense for the man. He’s a head case. Shame too because it looks like the physical skills are still there, but yeah he has to come out of the rotation. Maybe he can give 2-3 quality innings at a time.
"Oh well back to work"
by Tdogg on Aug 25, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you aren't a true believer.
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tdogg gets work
and he ain’t got TIME for head cases any more.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sox 2-3 since i declared them toast
Maybe Rios could help, maybe not, but we won’t know as long as Ozzie inexplicably refuses to play him.
Dye has done a lot for this franchise, but fuck him and his .500-ish OPS post-ASB. Podsednik is a better option than him right now.
fucking dome
by vince_ on Aug 25, 2009 7:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rios has done almost nothing since he arived
Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity
by OznCoop on Aug 25, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to do anything when you hardly play
Dye has done less than nothing since the ASB, and has shown no signs of getting out of it. PK slumped but looks to be coming back to form.
It pains me to even write it, but Quentin-Pods-Rios is our least worst outfield right now. Dye needs to sit.
fucking dome
by vince_ on Aug 25, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re. Dye.
He is a notoriously streaky hitter.
He will hit well in the very near future. MMW.
But what about F-I-E-L-D-E-R-S?
by ballyb on Aug 25, 2009 8:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
did you sign that comment "my morning wood?"
Think of it like bongwater but to a not even close extent.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 25, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"mount my woman"
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark My Word.
But what about F-I-E-L-D-E-R-S?
by ballyb on Aug 25, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this can't be a good sign.
driving to work at 6:45 this morning. as i pull up to a stoplight, i notice my vehicle is vibrating because some douchenozzle has his stereo turned up to 11. i glance over to try to get a view of said douchenozzle in the lane on my right but i can’t see very well because there is dew on my window because IT IS 6:45 IN THE FUCKING MORNING. (here i should point out that i do not live in chicago, and so while a mind numbingly loud car stereo may be no big deal to some of you, it is a relatively infrequent occurrence for me.) so of course he floors it as soon as the light turns green, and this is when i get a good look. the dude is driving a maroon 3rd generation mustang (80’s/early 90’s, not their greatest effort for you kids out there) and he appears appropriately dastardly. the most troubling aspect of all this, however, is his license plate, which is of the vanity variety, and which reads……. wait for it……………………………………………… SWISHER.
no joke.
it is what it is......
by BuehrleMan on Aug 25, 2009 8:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Get a garage
and a louder car stereo. And enjoy your day at work. You have a job.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
quite a problem solver you are.
so what should we do about douchenozzles driving around with SWISHER license plates smart guy?
it is what it is......
by BuehrleMan on Aug 25, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Follow the guy and put a banana in his tailpipe.
Do I have to do everything?
And I am a problem-solver. Focus on the positive. You have a job. 16% of able-bodied motivated Americans are underemployed. Enjoy that you are not them.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but i hate nick swisher so much.
it is what it is......
by BuehrleMan on Aug 25, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he is Steve.
Or Sweet. Nick can’t be that much of a DB to drive an ’80’s ’Stang. Could he?
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's time for someone to put their foot down, and that foot is...wait, I think I did that wrong
It’s time for some of that 16% of Americans to get a job, and that 16% is me!
Wait, did you say “able-bodied”? Nevermind.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Aug 25, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sugar in gas tank
or freeze a can of shaving creme and place frozen creme in back seat at night
by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 25, 2009 9:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Remember to key FNS
into hood of said cars after completing above steps
by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 25, 2009 9:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think we're also understating the fact that this is a 3rd generation MUSTANG
the car is a piece of shit. the driver is a piece of shit. the license plate is a piece of shit.
Close to the Contreras cycle, but I’d have to see his house before I can be sure.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Aug 25, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
Two Rockford cops shoot a guy in a daycare center this morning
by 815Sox on Aug 25, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wtf?
Marissa Brown, 17, the daughter of day-care operator Sheila Brown, said she witnessed the shooting.
"The officer shined his flashlight into the boiler room and told him to come out. He came out real slow with his hands up and his head down, and they shot him.
"He fell over into the sink. He tried to get back up, and they shot him again. A heavy-set officer was the one who was shooting him while he was on the ground."
Sheila Brown said she witnessed the shootings after Barmore was on the ground. She said the officers fired as many as eight rounds into Barmore including at least one shot into his head.
http://www.rrstar.com/multimedia/x772315499/Police-on-scene-of-downtown-shooting
by Craig Grebeck on Aug 25, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or
Chief Chet Epperson, who was on the scene, said Barmore had a physical confrontation with one of the officers in a storage area within one of the school’s classrooms. He said Barmore put his hands on the officer’s handgun and a fight ensued, resulting in gunfire from both officers.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Appreciate the other side of the
story that many seem to ignore pretty much all the time here and elsewhere.
And it isnt like the guy was an employee . . . he ran into the daycare. Reading the two posts above could not have been more misleading.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 25, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds about right
hate this city sooo much
Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity
by OznCoop on Aug 25, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stoney is the man
My bride is still sleeping and i am on my 4th cup of coffee which has sent me into a tweeting frenzy. Switching to decaf-bye for awhile.
http://twitter.com/BaseballStone/status/3534638883
four cups? must have been a vigorous night, eh, steve.
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by larry on Aug 25, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can tell you've had your share already this AM.
LOL.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no. i haven't yet.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then I pity your secretary.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how he considers four posts a "tweeting frenzy."
He’s an animal.
by 67WMAQ on Aug 25, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eight by my count.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected.
That is a tweeting frenzy. What can I say? Inspiration tends to strike after four cups of coffee.
by 67WMAQ on Aug 25, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then why does he deny us the fruits of this inspiration?
i don’t envy mrs. stone right now.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be worse....just ask Aris Harrelson after one of Hawk's coffee benders.
by 67WMAQ on Aug 25, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God damn it. Now I'm imagining Stone throwing one into the wife in one hotel room, Hawk in the next room with his wife, and a "Forgetting Sarah Marshall"-style competition.
You sick bastards.
Okay, I’m enjoying it.
Damn it.
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"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't tell me who you hit, tell me how much coffee you drank beforehand.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the bunt.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that was on his off day!
dancing on the sand.
by thecip on Aug 25, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that coffee was leaded
I tell you what stone pony – I luv some greenies in my coffee
by Scotty Ballgame on Aug 25, 2009 1:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
If a pitcher makes the error...
then shouldn’t the runs that ensue be earned?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 25, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
THERE you are.
Someone was asking about you last night. Toonder, I believe.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose the reason they aren't is because, technically speaking, the offense didn't "earn" the runs, they were caused by error. A matter of not rewarding the offense for runs they didn't deserve, I suspect.
I guess that’s the problem with it being called Earned Run Average rather than, say, Runs Charged. I imagine there may be some sort of Runs Charged-like stat that I’m unaware of. Theoretically, runs could be charged to any defensive player on the field based on errors committed, etc., not just the pitcher.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So on the season
Count has average K/BB numbers, good HR/9, average H/9, reasonable BABIP, a good FIP and a well below replacement ERA. The one thing that sticks out is the very low LOB%. Aside from suggesting that Castro should definitely be his caddy and some critical instances shitty defense, I don’t see anything that doesn’t make Contreras worthy of future starts as long as this team needs a 4th (currently) and 5th (post Peavy) starter. So why should we disregard all the numbers? Aren’t these the kind of performances fans would tend to overreact to? Which options are obviously better than throwing Contreras? DJ is the only potential answer to that question and the team hasn’t seemed very inclined to use him as a starter. Presumably, for good reason. Torres and Garcia are blah replacement level options.
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You know, youngster,
I actually agree with this. Especially the “overreact” part. It was tough to watch him fall apart after the error. until then (and including the Papi nubber) he was doing fine. He is fragile mentally, it appears IMHO, and that is what is intolerable. His health looks fine.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so wu, i'm still holding this AIG long (sorry pete), and it's sitting at a real coin flip price.
care to speculate where it will be at the close? how about at the end of the month?
i think this chart formation is very intriguing. the volume is slowing down considerably this week and it’s consolidating in a big way.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Week - bet it goes down because folks are wanting to get flat
before the weekend (though momentum looks decent through Labor Day). I weould short the bejeezus out of it in Sept./Oct. But I ain’t a trader.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps he deserves the best defensive lineup the sox can put out there?
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would make sense
though it wouldn’t change last night. Clearly, the worse the pitcher, the less room for error he has. Give a team 4 or sometimes 5 outs with him on the mound and bad things are likely to happen . . . see Boston and Oakland.
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by jc2313 on Aug 25, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a little off topic, but-
i’d love to see ozzie use his best lineup against middling teams more in an effort to ensure a win, while switching that off-day to some of the nights like tonight where the sox are heavy underdogs. also, use mark kotsay very frugally.
not that there aren’t flaws either way, but this team hasn’t been able to take anyone for granted.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
needs more speed.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont pay attention to metrics
i just watch them play
we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip
by BoeJouma on Aug 25, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Aug 25, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what you're saying is
Contreras has turned into a much worse version of Vazquez?
fucking dome
by vince_ on Aug 25, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
much worse?
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took it more as an extreme exaggeration and joke
"Oh well back to work"
by Tdogg on Aug 25, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well what of my opinion then?
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dig ME, pay attention to ME, talk about ME.
Chrissakes, colin, the 50 posts above aren’t enough?
;)
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
says the worldwide leader in posts.
Think of it like bongwater but to a not even close extent.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 25, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't ask for feedback on them, DB.
(So how many rec’s should I have?)
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well played, blind squirrel.
(many, many more.)
Think of it like bongwater but to a not even close extent.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 25, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i only asked tdogg
i was telling the rest of youz what to think.
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup, he's a dandy. he's a real fancy boy!
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"All right, I carry a purse!"
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I pretty much agree with you
If you look at his overall numbers, he really should be in the rotation. But there is obviously something missing. These blowups, no matter how explainable, just can’t happen right now. I still think he can give the team some value. His arm is lively. But the Sox don’t have a lot of time. He gave them 2 good outings from the bullpen in 07. Try it again.
"Oh well back to work"
by Tdogg on Aug 25, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was fast.
2.5 WAR! That was YESTERDAY.
I should get a PP just for that.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it's not like he did anything really different, either.
maybe you should get that PP
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the gamble is that they think they have a better chance of getting more frequent decent-to-good outing from Torres and Garcia
even though Contreras has shown that he is fully capable of putting up a good/very good start once every three, four times out.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
it isn’t a mirage. Per UZR, the Sox have the 3rd worst runs prevented to due error. It’s cost them -11.5 runs, more than a full win. And the Sox are at -19.7 runs total, so by far the biggest issue is their errors. The actual cost is probably greater than the computed cost too, since a .500ish team will tend to play in more close games. Small margin for errors, so to speak.
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 12:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so if this fangraphs exists, do we feel there's anywhere near enough sample to judge alexei defensively at SS?
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
needs 3 seasons to have a really robust sample
he’s nearly to 2. when you make your decision which position to regress to, that’s the one it says he’s somewhat below average at. i.e. not enough to have an objective measure.
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
was looking at rf. dye and abreu are no surprise defensively, but i'm shocked at andre ethier.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's got 3 full seasons as a corner OF
he’s probably not that bad, though he’s apparently somewhat bad.
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't watch the game, but after reading Cheat's recap, all I can think is...
Wow, this really sucks!
Also, I like the “Contreras Cycle”. Good work, Toonder.
I sincerely hope this team stops shitting the bed. I’d love to see the Sox make the playoffs two seasons in a row. At this point, however, I’m not going to hold my breath.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Aug 25, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You want to really slit your wrists, read SoxMachine's take today.
I was more depressed reading Jim’s take than being on the thread last night. And I was willing to set myself on fire at one point.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was unaware that contreras had been officially demoted.
so i’ll show myself out, thank you very much.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"They had enough of Jose. They had enough. I mean, how much more were they gonna take? So, they made an example of him and his brother: they buried them while they were still breathing."
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i found it unnecessary to kill jose's brother, but i suppose a point was made.
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jose "Contreras" Spilotro
He made the wrong friends growing up in Cuba in the 50’s.
by 67WMAQ on Aug 25, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It had to be done, ya know.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when there's nothing left to burn, you have to set yourself on fire!

Think of it like bongwater but to a not even close extent.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 25, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great pic.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
solid album
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
winningugly
u need to get the annotated g’father script (in book form) w/ coppola’s notes. quite excellent
by RoyEgan on Aug 25, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw your post above.
Will look into it – thanks.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
monday tuesday thursday wednesday friday sunday saturday.
dancing on the sand.
by thecip on Aug 25, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know the salary dump was needed, but I miss Javier Vasquez.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 25, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least he was good for a solid 4 innings before he'd collapse.
"My problem is, I've been lazy." - Carlos Zambrano
by tailgater on Aug 25, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5. 5 and dive.
Be accurate, OPOS.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side, how about Beckham's dinger?
And by “dinger,” I mean home run.
No worries fellas (and HSA), we’ve got “Big Game Freddy” going tonight, so all is well.
Anyone else (after throwing your remote at the TV) laugh out loud at Jose crawling around clueless after the ball? Too bad Paulie is such a team player…he should have been yelling, “Pick up the ball douchebag!”
"My problem is, I've been lazy." - Carlos Zambrano
by tailgater on Aug 25, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Paulie would have had to known how to say "douchebag" in spanish....which is a posibility since he has had to scoop so many throws from Alexei.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paulie earns a pass for a few days with that HR
I wonder how they tell Jermaine Dye “Start hitting the ball you stupid fuck” in Black.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 25, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harold just gives him the "stare"
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
same way you say it to indian people, but without the smell!
hi-yo!
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by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, Oh, Toonder taught me that one!
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Aug 25, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paulie doesn't get a free pass
with me . . . he should have been calling Contreras off as it was really a play he should have made. Contreras’ stepping in and fucking it up is part of a lack of communucation that you are taught when you are like 5.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 25, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just like taking out the SS or 2B in a DP, running over the catcher, and pitching in someone's ear.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 25, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man, Nix being duped by the guy coming home was classic!
The Sawks probably couldn’t believe it actually worked.
"My problem is, I've been lazy." - Carlos Zambrano
by tailgater on Aug 25, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BWAHAHAHA!
John McGraw would’ve been proud.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was insulting to the white sox that they even attempted that double steal.
of course, it worked, like they thought it would, and the only people ending up insulted were white sox fans.
it is what it is......
by BuehrleMan on Aug 25, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the Red Sox, yet I applaud them
I hope the White Sox use that lame high school play as a wake up call for their piss poor defense.
"My problem is, I've been lazy." - Carlos Zambrano
by tailgater on Aug 25, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
konerko sucks.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's the captain! Keeping the ship afloat......while it gradually sinks.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 25, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but what about the scoops!?!?!
it’s crazy. we need so much more offense from 1B.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 25, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't had time to read this thread, so forgive me if I repeat a lot, but it's therapy for me to get my two cents in every now and then.
This team will be fortunate to finish above third place and at .500, given where they are what’s left…etc. Here’s my bigger point, though. I think the breason we’re so disappointed right now is MAINLY due to our collective lack of OFFENSE. Yes, the defense is subpar, but we kinda knew that and EXPECTED as much. It hasn’t helped matters. Even a game like last night, if we were having the kind of year offensively this team would appear to be capable of, I wouldn’t be surprised if we get that extra clutch hit and win that game. We just don’t get enough games where our offense justs goes out and wins it for us despite our deficiencies. I am really disappointed in our offense. I know it’s weird to be railing about our offense after a debacle like last night, but, as I look back, that’s been the area that has underachieved most.
by dantesox on Aug 25, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Catbird seat.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 25, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we doin' pooty goo!
Jeff (Pton): Who complains more to you, Phils or Red Sox fans?
Joe Sheehan: White Sox and Phillies.
Think of it like bongwater but to a not even close extent.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 25, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, we are not, at least to Joe:
Joe Sheehan: I can understand why, but that really was one heck of a finish. You can have the top of the ninth of Buehrle’s perfect game—I’ll take the bottom of the 14th for half-inning of the year.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night's Giants game.
But to be fair, Joe’s on board with Saviour:
Lincoln (Dallas): Elvis Andrus, Gordon Beckham, Nolan Reimold, maybe Rickey Romero, or Andrew Bailey…who you got as AL RoY?
Joe Sheehan: Beckham, who just recently passed Andrus. It’s very close.
I really like Gordon Beckham. He could win an MVP as a shortstop.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but not kw and ozzie
jlebeck66 (WI): Is Gordon Beckham now a thirdbaseman, or does he ever become a regular up the middle?
Joe Sheehan: The White Sox absolutely need to get him to SS, preferably, next year. I’d settle for 2B, but simply put, allowing Alexei Ramirez to stand in the way of a clearly superior player is baseball malpractice.
Think of it like bongwater but to a not even close extent.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 25, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no skills.
however, i agree with his point.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just re-sign Crede and be done with it.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 25, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who plays there the half of the season he's on the shizzelf?
Think of it like bongwater but to a not even close extent.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 25, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so he gets tired easy like rios.
he’ll fit right in!
by Trooper on Aug 25, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think he should move to short?
Is there a difference between 2nd and 3rd?
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 3:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i've said all along in this context that the inferior player (ramirez) should give way to the superior player (beckham).
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't realize you thought beckham was the definitely better fielder
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by colintj on Aug 25, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
beckham is going to be in a white sox uniform longer than alexei.
and his shelf life at SS, no matter if you think they’re the same fielder now, is also longer.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 25, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've seen from Alexei, his best MLB position might eventually be 3b
He has good quickness and reflex along with good hands. He just doesn’t seem to have good instincts in the middle infield and especially at ss. Could be a Chone Figgins there. I wouldn’t know about Beckham at ss until we see him there if ever but unless Ramirez shows improvement there, I don’t think he lasts much longer.
Seems a waste of Beckham’s ability to not move him to a middle infield position.
by mick10 on Aug 25, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Good point about Che moving to 3rd. Maybe the less time he has to think, the better.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just keep telling myself as long as we stay 2-3 games out we have a chance
But when you have 1 starting pitcher actually playing well and 3 starting pitchers that are almost guaranteed losses, i don’t see us staying 2-3 games behind Detroit for very long at all.
by No Pressure on Aug 25, 2009 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gave away
our margin for error yesterday.
But what about F-I-E-L-D-E-R-S?
by ballyb on Aug 25, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you learned nothing?
Lackey will save our asses tonight and we’ll somehow wint he game.
Garcia vs. Lester – looks awful doesn’t it?
So did Jose-Greinke. Somehow, we win this one.
And this is coming from someone who was really irate last night
by Q!'s Qrew on Aug 25, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God gets quite irate.
You get pissed.
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by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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