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Brushing Up On Jon Lester

Jon Lester in his current form is kind of a SuperDanks.  He's got more or less the same repertoire, except everything's harder.  He's got a real four-seamer with good vertical movement that he throws between 94-96 mph, a two-seamer with nice horizontal movement that sits 91-92 mph, a cutter that tops out at 90 mph, as well as a change and a curve.  See chart:

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Hooray  www.brooksbaseball.net chart!

 

Vs. RHB

Career: .263/.336/.381

2009: .245/.304/.354

Unlike Danks, the change is more of a show-me that he lacks real confidence in.  He much prefers to go hard, and can set up the curve with the cutter.  He's very confident in his curve, which he loves to backdoor against RHB.  When thrown off the cutter and spotted just off the plate, it functions similarly to Danks' change.  Of all his pitches, he demonstrated the best command with the curve in the two starts I watched.  He stays low and away with the two seamer and works up in the zone with the four seamer, but showed a tendency to miss rather than get ahead.  This was true of the cutter as well, though he missed on the plate with the cutter more than any other pitch.  The end result still wasn't pretty for opposing righties.  Lester threw enough good strikes despite the deep counts and eventually found something the batter couldn't catch up with.  Typically, a whiff came on the cutter in, four-seamer up or the aforementioned backdoor curve.  Groundballs came on the cutter in and two-seamer away.  It adds up to legitimate ace.

 

Vs. LHB

Career: .247/.305/.390 

2009: .244/.301/.406

His four-seamer's only a notch below Easy Heat's, so he can rely on just his fastball to consistently get outs.  Getting much beyond the occasional hit is asking for a lot.  He has allowed a somewhat higher ISO against LHB for his career, but more than compensated with fewer walks.  In '09, he's cut his walks to RHB such that there's almost no platoon split.  It's still likely a better call to protect vulnerable lefties.  RHB at least have a chance to take a walk.  I'd certainly much prefer a Quentin-Rios-Dye outfield, in any case.

Lester's an ace and Freddy is replacement level.  That's worth about 2 runs per nine innings between the teams.  In order to win this one, Ozzie is going to have to go to his bullpen early.  And we're going to have to make sacrifices to our idols.  All hail Beckham and Q!, masters of our fate.

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Damn! Picture, chart, and not overly wordy!

Amazing what you can do with half a season’s rest.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 25, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

mid season form

we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip

by BoeJouma on Aug 25, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

huh

Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."

by e-gus on Aug 25, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

so

she can make a sacrifice in the name of lester or the redsox.

it pained me to post that cause football isnt relevant to me until october but i thought the correlation was funny that i read that just before colin mentioned sacrificing

Hell Yesss

by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 25, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

posted it in the last FP fanshot, but in case you missed it

quentin to bat 3rd, Dye drops to 5th.

we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip

by BoeJouma on Aug 25, 2009 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

well, that fuckin changes everything

I say we win the next 3!!

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

by jc2313 on Aug 25, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just as I asked about Rios... Thanks

One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?

by Brush Back on Aug 25, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh.

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any Rios sightings yet - has he made it to Boston?

One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?

by Brush Back on Aug 25, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

See above. 2 comments above.

You lunatic.

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

whooshed

we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip

by BoeJouma on Aug 25, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

per ozzie

we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip

by BoeJouma on Aug 25, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

per ozzie per cowley
“It’s something you keep pushing and hoping for him but nothing works,‘’ manager Ozzie Guillen said after the 12-8 loss to the Red Sox. "Jose is going to be in the bullpen and I don’t know who is starting in his spot [Saturday]. We are in the position right now where we can’t continue to handle guys and hope they get it done. I think enough is enough.
“I feel for him, but our job is to win games and not to do people favors. We cannot handle this anymore.’’

link

we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip

by BoeJouma on Aug 25, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks for pickin' me up, soldier.

Think of it like bongwater but to a not even close extent.

by Toonderstrook on Aug 25, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

As I just said in the other dying thread...Have you learned nothing?

Lackey will save our asses tonight and we’ll somehow win the game.
Garcia vs. Lester – looks awful doesn’t it?
So did Jose-Greinke. Somehow, we win this one.

And this is coming from someone who was really irate last night

by Q!'s Qrew on Aug 25, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions  

This site is infinitely more entertaining than

any other SBN blog. I’m a Cubs fan, but follow the Sox just as much. To me, the Sox are just a more likable team. They play for their manager and certainly for each other. They’re nowhere near as self-centered as the Cubs. The discrepancy in the quality of players is inarguable (with the only exception being 1B – sorry, PK). And your GM kicks the shit outta Hendry.

As for your members/posters, you all seem to have a really good grasp on your team’s situation, and have realistic expectations of the Sox.. I gotta be honest – a lot of the members of BCB must have rose-colored monitors. And those of us who dare say word one in criticism get shot down as bandwagon jumpers or trolls. BCBers even get scolded for swearing or calling someone else a name! Like fucking kindergarten!

I didn’t come here to blow sunshine up your asses; I’m just envious of the attitude and level of educated discussion and lightheartedness you all seem to share.

That is all.

by stuartscottslefteye on Aug 25, 2009 4:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Just not always well.

" They play for their manager and certainly for each other".

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 25, 2009 5:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

its always great to hear cubs nation consists of one less bro

rec’d your post stuart, was a good read and we all appreciate your words!!

we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip

by BoeJouma on Aug 25, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

"you all seem to have a really good grasp on your team’s situation"

S-E-L-L!!!!!!!!!!!

S-E-L-L!!!!!!!!!!!

S-E-L-L!!!!!!!!!!!

S-E-L-L!!!!!!!!!!!

But what about F-I-E-L-D-E-R-S?

by ballyb on Aug 25, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

not you, too.

Think of it like bongwater but to a not even close extent.

by Toonderstrook on Aug 25, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, shout it from the rooftops.

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Aug 25, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's one of his personalites... Ala Sybil

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Aug 25, 2009 5:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Cubs are all set on DHs (Sorino,Fox & Hoffpauir),

but they do need a lead-off man. You wouldn’t have a spare outfielder, would ya? One that won’t clog the bases (Dusty-style)?

by stuartscottslefteye on Aug 25, 2009 5:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

can i interest you in a dewayne wise?

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Aug 25, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

As there should be.

It’d be criminal to take him out of the lineup (as long as he tones down the aggressiveness – it’s working against him), and he really doesn’t have a position anymore. Assuming Thome leaves, what are your thoughts on the roster/lineup moves? Will Dye stay? If so, it’s gotta be Q – Rios – Dye, left-to-right, correct? Or will Dye be too expensive? If dye splits, Kotsay takes CF or RF (and Rios gets whatever’s left)?

by stuartscottslefteye on Aug 25, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most of the DH discussion has been Thome vs. Dye

I think the majority of us want to see JD brought back as a DH (He’s been a butcher in RF most of the season). That said, the $12 mill mutual option isn’t looking to hot with his 2nd half thus far. Personally, I’d like to bring JD back on a cheaper 2 year deal as the DH and let Thome walk. The Lefty pop is nice, but I think JD will be more productive and healthier going forward.

As far as the outfield, a lot of posters want to move Q to RF, leaving Rios in CF. LF would be up in the air at that point.

by Q!'s Qrew on Aug 25, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I watch a lot of Sox games, and see Dye make a lot of good plays

that you might not think a big guy his age would make. I never got the impression he’s as bad in the field as a lot of people make him out to be. But I’m an idiot.

He’s wants to retire a White Sox (Sock?). Would he give a hometown discount? I’d think not, since the option is already in writing.

by stuartscottslefteye on Aug 25, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right...he does make some good plays

Just over the course of a full season, he’s definitely regressed the last few years.

I think he would give a discount. The option is mutual, so I think if the team declines it (They almost certainly will), he’d be willing to take a somewhat cheaper deal, especially if multiple years are involved (Personally, I’d rather not go past 2 with him).

PS – Welcome aboard. In honor of your moniker…BOO YA!

by Q!'s Qrew on Aug 25, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dam - I just typed all that and was about to post when I saw yours.

I personally think I am ready to say goodbye to him and Thome – even though I like them both, I’d like to see a new direction.

One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?

by Brush Back on Aug 25, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

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