Jake Peavy's weekend start in New York now in doubt
About 10 throws into the Wednesday long-toss session, bullpen coach Juan Nieves whistled to the White Sox dugout and gave the throat slash sign.
Just like that, Jake Peavy's day was done, and the pitcher's chances of making his debut for the White Sox this weekend in New York in doubt.
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I changed my mind.
DOOMED!
dancing on the sand.
by thecip on Aug 26, 2009 10:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Meh
I didn’t really think he’d be ready for it, anyway.
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
by HappyHuman on Aug 26, 2009 10:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you mean his first start, I agree.
I wasn’t counting on him this year, anyway. Hello, 2010!
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, that's what I meant
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
by HappyHuman on Aug 27, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
save peavy for thunderdome
i think we should save him for the final thunderdome series. the white sox will sweep the twins. then the tigers will destory themselfs. thunderdome. real baseball is played outside.
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
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by Czheck on Aug 27, 2009 1:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
even with our dumb fuckery play of late
i still am 100% hopefull we make the playoffs. moreso, im 85% positive we will.
im just a delusional fuck, in a delusional country.
we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip
by BoeJouma on Aug 27, 2009 1:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok maybe I am a sick bastard and a glutton for punishment.....
but if you aren’t going to bring anyone up to face the yankees…. why would you just not let Contreras give it another shot? He is the one that is the most capable of having a decent game. Will he get knocked out early? Probably. There is always a small chance of him giving you 6 strong innings though. Its not like the Red Sox were crushing him. If they start DJ, he’s going to give up 3 or 4 homers in that park.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 27, 2009 3:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
kind of moot at this point isn't it
Until Peavy is healthy we’re throwing out replacement level pitchers at the 4 & 5 spots anyway, might as well throw Contreras out there again.
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 27, 2009 6:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the argument that Contreras is above replacement level for
a SP is a pretty easy argument to make, so no I don’t think it is.
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by jc2313 on Aug 27, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 words: Cannon. Fodder.
Machts nichts. I say we use him and wring out every dime of that $12MM. He should be sweeping out the dugouts and washing the unis.
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good idea, let him clean up his mess
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 27, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction - he's below replacement
His current VORP is -0.8
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 27, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the replacement player is Carlos Torres then JC is above replacement
JC is actually the best option they have, but it seems unlikely they’ll revisit that decision.
by hitlesswonder on Aug 27, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction - he's above replacement
His current WAR is 2.2
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by jc2313 on Aug 27, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What we at, wu? 2-5 since I declared them toast?
I’ve lost track.
fucking dome
by vince_ on Aug 27, 2009 7:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who is this?
I have no idea. We were 2-1 and I believe have now lost 4 straight. So there you go.
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure it was covered in the gamethread, but was there any reason given
why Jenks wasn’t used in the 9th? By the radio or tv guys or Tweetz? Like an injury?
kthxbai
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by Chiburb on Aug 27, 2009 8:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Ozzie should've used Adriano Rosario
Younger version of Pena:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1803614
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by Chiburb on Aug 27, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you use him in the 9th
and by chance he keeps them scoreless… who do you then use in the 10th? I doubt it would be Bobby… only maybe, and a very small maybe, if there was some chance the Sox took the lead in the top – but even then I’d doubt it.
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So? Worry about it when you GET to the 10th.
Maybe it’s a quick inning and he can come back out for the 10th….
Maybe he gets through 10 and we gots to go to 11….
THEN bring in Pena or whomever.
You don’t sit on the closer when you want to hold the tie.
It might be an ever-so-slightly different philosophy if we’re playing at home. But the fact remains that we should probably exhaust our “good” arms before we turn to the “bad.”
by homesickalien on Aug 27, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just saying - normal coaching does what Ozzie did
At home you would have seen Jenks in the 9th with the hope that the Sox score in the bottom. On the road you will see almost every manager do what Ozzie did.
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And therein lies the rub.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
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by Chiburb on Aug 27, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are certainly some
managers. almost every is a bit overstated, that will prescribe to the theory HSA poses . . . that being said, the difference between Pena and Jenks is probably not as great as most seem to think.
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by jc2313 on Aug 27, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thought - when was the last clean inning Bobby had?
And given that, how many in the last 2 months have been un-eventful. The reality is, outside Thornton, when not overused, who is in the BP that Ozzie can truly count on anymore?
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDYYYYYYYYYY
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we've got the best bullpen in the division
that’s what’s going to make us win it
by hoodlight on Aug 27, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox should shut Peavy down and wait till 2010
There’s no point in pitching him this season. Even if he came out starting this weekend and tossed 4 straight no hitters, the Sox are still toast.
Add in the fact that he’s hurt and likely won’t pitch very well, and it seems pretty clear it would be colossally stupid to make him throw more this season.
by hitlesswonder on Aug 27, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There's a ton of baseball left
And 6 games against the Tigers. So let’s have a little bit of hope. Just a shred.
The Sox are not dumb enough to throw Peavy unless they think he is 100%. 2010 and beyond is at stake and KW knows that Peavy has to be a top tier starter to justify the rest of his contract.
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by BoKnows on Aug 27, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
35 games.
No one can give me a magic number yet.
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did the Bataan Death March have a magic number?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the trail of tears did
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by U-God on Aug 27, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's magic!
I believe our magic number is 41…
by kujoth on Aug 27, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're 32 away from the chopping block
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Aug 27, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just gotta keep hammering away at that stone
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 27, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Gruden: Pound the Rock.
He had a physical rock in Tampa Bay’s locker room in 2002.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Gruden
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much better than Kornheiser
Amirite?
by Carbiner on Aug 27, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
si.
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he should pitch
but he’s not pitching for the Sox ’09 playoff chances… only to keep his conditioning up and not have a 9 month layoff between starts.
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by The Cheat on Aug 27, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should pitch for the sake of fan interest, keep him on a low pitch count.
They’re going to have to do something to put fans in the seats if the Sox are completely lifeless after this road trip.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 27, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So who do you want starting out of these two... and Cooper seems to agree with hitless wonder
Bruce Levine story
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by ElDiablo on Aug 27, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Torres/Carrasco combo start please
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by jc2313 on Aug 27, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pls. do not bring Hudson to the Hudson.
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am pretty sure Kate will be in the stands cheering on her boy A-Rod.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 27, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’m not a big believer that bringing a guy up “too soon” somehow ruins him, but I don’t think Hudson is particularly better than Torres right now. So there’s no need to to chance it — I don’t think I’d like to see Hudson’s first start be a pummeling in New York.
by hitlesswonder on Aug 27, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It did wonders
for Neal Cotts.
by Off the bus running on Aug 27, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Cotts career was derailed by how/where his start occurred
by hitlesswonder on Aug 27, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not the place
that young pitchers should begin their pro careers. Not saying it would ruin a pitcher’s career, but it’s not something I’d recommend doing.
by Off the bus running on Aug 27, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can make it there,
(line, pls?)…
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
Would you rather him get shelled by KC or Baltimore in his first start?
If he loses, at least he can say he lost to one of the best lineups in the league on the road. If he wins it’s great, if he loses, no one is going to think twice about it, it was the Yankees in NY. It seems like this is the best kind of situation for a young guy to break in.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 27, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it ruins him - it just shows his balls aren't hairy enough!
Come on – these guys have played ball since they were 5… if he can’t handle a loss in his first call up, then I doubt he’ll ever be able to. Besides, He’ll probably have plenty of defensive mis-queues to blame it on anyways.
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best kind of situation
for a young guy to break in is when he is ready . . . and it is highly questionable that he is. I would subscribe to the handling of a similar pitcher who made a meteoric rise last year . . . Tommy Hanson.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 27, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you measure ready though?
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
alertness
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox are a lot closer to that then we
are, so I will trust whatever decision they make. However, it is rare for a starting pitcher who has just 13 starts and 77 IP above A ball, to be ‘ready’ to start in the bigs. It obviously does happen, just not very often. Given the opponent and circumstance are probably not ideal . . . I would just err on the side of caution.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
by jc2313 on Aug 27, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that I agree with!
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heart.
'09 White Sox - Too many brain cramps.
by ballyb on Aug 27, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grindiness
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you sumbitch.
if heart won baseball games, we'd all be in the show.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 27, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm.
As long as Q!’s heart beats there is hope (for him to strand the bases loaded and such)
dancing on the sand.
by thecip on Aug 27, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
U hear U, correct?
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can hit a homerun at every at bat but then people would be on to him.
he has his reasons for what he does, like why there is evil in the world.
dancing on the sand.
by thecip on Aug 27, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't want Smoltz but you want Penny?
Why?
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you?
I didn’t see anyone else even responding to my querie about picking him up when BOS released him. So, did you want Smoltz?
And why do you think Penny will be the answer? BOS has pitching issues as pressing as ours and they see fit to cut him.
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't really give Smoltz much consideration one way or another at the time
In hindsight, I would have endorsed going after him.
I think Penny is the answer because Fangraph told me so: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/penny-released/
by joewho112 on Aug 28, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read some of the comments,
especially Nick’s. Just for the opposing view (which I happen to share, having watched his slide all year).
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by winningugly on Aug 28, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wish list: Frank Thomas, Jeff Kent, Esteban Loaiza, and Brad Penny
by Carbiner on Aug 27, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and sandy alomar. aj is old and tired.
if heart won baseball games, we'd all be in the show.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 27, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Varitek looks like Johnny Bench when compared with AJ
by Carbiner on Aug 27, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a generation older?
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by Toonderstrook on Aug 27, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're probably going to get your wish regarding thomas.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the seasong slowly circling the drain like a turd full of corn
the return of Frank would be genius on the Sox part
by Shakey on Aug 27, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pennant races fill the seats.
but, failing that, so do farewell ceremonies to great players.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so says the person who chose a circus over a baseball game.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's right. I knew the game was going to resemble a turd full of corn.
by homesickalien on Aug 27, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, i'm sure you did.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that was going to happen no matter what
The trip to the broadcasting booth was the first step.
Even though the season looks lost – Beckham is still very much in the running for ROY.
by 67WMAQ on Aug 27, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno.
if you’re in a pennant race, you’re probably not going to distract with what is really a sideshow (albeit a deserving one). we can all talk about thomas the great player. but there’s still at least one fellow in the clubhouse who probably doesn’t want to be answering questions about frank thomas the teammate, if the games are meaningful. not actually being in the race would, at a minimum, change how such a return would occur.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
Does Frank have anything left in the tank?
"My problem is, I've been lazy." - Carlos Zambrano
by tailgater on Aug 27, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course i'm serious.
sign him to a contract. have a frank thomas day. or three. let him retire as a white sox player. shoot, let him bat if he wants. sports teams do such things all the time.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
id pay to see it.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 27, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching Frank strike out a bunch of times doesn't sound like fun.
Although, if they fall out of contention – a possibility in the next 2 weeks – I’d be in favor of shutting down Q! and Peavy completely.
Let’s create a total fiasco – bring back Frank and sign Barry Bonds. Now THAT I’d pay to see.
"My problem is, I've been lazy." - Carlos Zambrano
by tailgater on Aug 27, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you seem to be missing what occurs.
you sign the player. you have some fun ceremonies pre-game where everyone talks about how great thomas was. show some video highlights. let him ride in on a motorcycle. retire his number. maybe he would bat. once.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
motorcycle? can't we get HSA to get us an elephant
from the circus she attended?
by Shakey on Aug 27, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were horses; no elephants.
I may be able to get us an Asian acrobat.
But I’d rather just sign him and stick him in RF, if we’re gonna do that.
by homesickalien on Aug 27, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boo!!
Fuck Circuses… They are abusive to the animals they keep. No animal should spend the majority of its existance in a small cage, especially massive ones like Elephants
by 815Sox on Aug 27, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I used to keep HSA in a small cage and she turned out ok.
Right?
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by Chiburb on Aug 27, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
skinner, that you?
if heart won baseball games, we'd all be in the show.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 27, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice!
Psychology POS.
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
f that. i want to keep the dream alive of a first-ballot ceremony with thomas and maddux.
if heart won baseball games, we'd all be in the show.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 27, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
there’s something about which i certainly could not care less..
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
that means i done good.
if heart won baseball games, we'd all be in the show.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 27, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least the first pissing contest between Toonder and larry
after Toonder’s hiatus is about an important issue.
My Kingdom for a win tonight. So we can speak of good times. Not pick nits.
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no pissing contest.
you sign the player. you have some fun ceremonies pre-game where everyone talks about how great thomas was. show some video highlights. let him ride in on a motorcycle. retire his number. maybe he would bat. once.
that does nothing for me out here. i’d much rather have a chance to see my favorite player ever inducted with my favorite non-white sox player ever.
if heart won baseball games, we'd all be in the show.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 27, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Greatest hitter and greatest pitcher together would be sweet.
(Greatest RH’s to me, so don’t try to prove otherwise seamheads!)
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Aug 27, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, i've never watched a HOF induction before. and that certainly won't be changing.
i’d rather see a tribute here with actual white sox fans and personnel in attendance and participating. whatever floats your boats.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched Reggie cuz I was a fan, but haven't seen one since.
But I would definitely watch Frank, and expect the daughters to also.
GM at the same time would be a bonus.
And you call yourself a baseball fan!
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Aug 27, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a baseball fan might actually prefer to watch the actual baseball game being played that day instead.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Btw, do they go together if Frank hasn't officially retired?
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
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by Chiburb on Aug 27, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't they have to be retired for 5 to qualify? Something like that...
someone GTFM!
:)
by homesickalien on Aug 27, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
has nothing to do with official retirement. it's when you stopped playing.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the bigger question is probably whether frank gets in first ballot in any event.
either way, can’t wait for a cooperstown trip when it does go down.
if heart won baseball games, we'd all be in the show.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 27, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya think?
one of the primary reasons i could not care less about your idea. frank ain’t making it in on the first ballot.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's just ridiculously better than Molitor is all I'd say
by Carbiner on Aug 27, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's just about the same as Molitor is all I'd say
fixed
http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/top500.htm
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feh.
Ron Santo above Thome? And Dick Allen #100?
Someone needs to open an investigation.
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thome isn't behind santo anymore.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is on that link.
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and what does that link say about timeframe?
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by larry on Aug 27, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't say if Thome's performance
in 2009 has put him further behind or ahead.
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right. i forgot. thome sucks. clearly his WAR declines based upon his atrocious performance this season.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be a DB.
You know I like Thome and hope he signs at a discount with us next year. You may know if this season has brought down his career WAR or not. I don’t. The link does not show that. It shows Santo ahead of him.
Fer Chrissakes.
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he would have to have played below replacement level for that to occur.
i realize you do not closely follow these statistics but surely you don’t think a guy who has been hitting like thome has been below replacement level.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he would have to significantly
improve his WAR this year to raise his career WAR, and I doubt he has done that. I imagine there has not been much of a shift at all, except perhaps a slight decline this year.
Or is the career number calculated differently? If my assumption is incorrect, tell me.
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by winningugly on Aug 28, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the war numbers are accumulated, not averaged
by mick10 on Aug 28, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. TY.
BTW, nice avatar.
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by winningugly on Aug 28, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NYOA, OPOS.
IWHMMCIWTTPTTOTL.
if heart won baseball games, we'd all be in the show.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoodie? WTF?
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by winningugly on Aug 28, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's far ahead in 2 of the 4 HoF tests
And I doubt WAR is going to outbalance those for another 20 years if some other statistic doesn’t displace it by then. At least all the old people will be dead though!
by Carbiner on Aug 27, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he doesn't go 1st ballot
I’d be really surprised, especially given the ‘roid users he’ll likely be going up against.
by Shakey on Aug 27, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There should be an investigation
If Big Hurt isn’t a first ballot HOFer
by mick10 on Aug 27, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a guy who wanders around the country
like Moses in the desert I would think a trip to the Cell would not be out of the realm of possibility in order to see that retirement. They do have airplanes in SF…And I might effing meet you there.
;)
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just ask Toonder on a date?
SF? Effing? ;)?
by Shakey on Aug 27, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't wander on short notice.
if heart won baseball games, we'd all be in the show.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 27, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to bring back Jr and Sammy too
All those HR hitters on 1 team – Now there’s a side show
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just look at what KGJr's return has done for this listless baseball city.
by homesickalien on Aug 27, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they also have a winning team so i wouldn't say that its his presence
of course, his presence turned the team, but that’s not the point.
by Shakey on Aug 27, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he did hit a walk-off dinger vs. the Sox
Not that it’s a huge accomplishment or anything.
"My problem is, I've been lazy." - Carlos Zambrano
by tailgater on Aug 27, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank's probably come to realize it'd be 1 year for 500,000
Maybe with incentives. Of course he did win comeback player of the year and get 4th in the MVP voting quite recently out of the blue so him doing it again isn’t impossible, just close to impossible.
by Carbiner on Aug 27, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does Chevy Chase have to do with it?
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Aug 27, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a perfect world
It would have been a “Playoff spot clinched/last home game of the season” move.
Fans get the show – and the three people in the clubhouse who played with Frank (for more than a month) don’t have to worry about the old days distracting from their current performance.
by 67WMAQ on Aug 27, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what I would pay to see?
A foot race between Frank, Paulie and the Thomer.
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 27, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know who was a good draw to see in a footrace?
Joe Foy, Rico Petrocelli, and Yaz. I bet you know who won every time.
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no, Thomer has a Greek chariot!
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 27, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think frank gets em both.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 27, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind Penny instead of Torres, Count or Hudson.
Coop can fix.
by mick10 on Aug 27, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy bullpen session
and will make another rehab start this weekend:
by Off the bus running on Aug 27, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
levine wrong again.
it’s saturday for the knights.
http://twitter.com/MDGonzales/status/3586303937
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone here interested in a SSS fantasy football league?
I thought it might be a fun idea
Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity
by OznCoop on Aug 27, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Go away.
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
bwaha!
I just spit coffee all over my keyboard.
by homesickalien on Aug 27, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the input
Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity
by OznCoop on Aug 27, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FanPost it so angryandy, nick, and grinder#42 can join you!
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by Chiburb on Aug 27, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Podsednik cf, Beckham 3b, A.J. c, Konerko 1b, Thome dh, Quentin, Kotsay, Ramirez ss, NIx 2b, Danks p.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rios is tired again.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Aug 27, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuckholy, Kenny is probably angrier than us.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 27, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm quite sure he is.
One of the few reassuring things about this hideous situation is at least we know the GM is as big as miserable wreck about it as we are.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 27, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that gives me comfort
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear it.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 27, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's likely miserable all the time.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 27, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
must be really, really tired - JD sits and Kotsay gets a start instead
Did Rios grab Ozzie’s wife’s ass and stick his tongue down her throat the minute he got off the plane or what?
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 27, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ozzie should know thats how they say hi in canada.
by Trooper on Aug 27, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
smoov playa - probably came to town all dressed up in his Canadian tuxedo
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 27, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not tired - he's the only one who can make the Cafe Yaucono that Ozzie and Joey like
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What, exactly, is the point of starting Peavy for Charlotte instead of in New York?
At this point, in my view, Peavy has as good a shot as any of the other options to give us a chance to win Saturday. Even assuming the rehab start will be an abbreviated outing, it’s a pretty safe bet that whoever toes the rubber for the big club that day will not make it to 100 pitches. If the choice is Peavy at 90 percent for between four and six innings or Carlos Torres (or whoever) for anywhere from three to MAYBE six innings, I think Peavy is the right choice.
Essentially, let’s let Peavy have his rehab start with the big club. We aren’t going to win that game (or have any shot at the playoffs) without his ass anyway, what’s the difference?
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 27, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More likely to cause an injury in an actually stressful situation?
Peavy should start sometime this season, doesn’t have to be asap though.
by Carbiner on Aug 27, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By Sat there may be no more reason for stress - provided Det and Minn win their games
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you feel a twinge in your elbow, ankle, etc., don't have quite as many ego issues walking off the mound in norfolk than walking off the mound in yankee stadium
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by larry on Aug 27, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the stats don't count in Charlotte either
follow the money
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by ChicagoPete on Aug 27, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has his money.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 27, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you were to guess, who is it that makes the absolute final decision on this matter? Peavy, Kenny or somebody else?
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 27, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on when peavy pitches in the majors?
KW. obviously he gets input from his coaches and peavy.
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by larry on Aug 27, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the ego issue you mention above does hold water - and I think it may - I'm disappointed in this decision, based on the very limited facts we have.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 27, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it has anything to do with Peavy's ego.
There is a question of his elbow not being 100% and it’s much more desireable to risk a loss for a minor league team than a major league team in a pennant race.
by mick10 on Aug 27, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps we should just switch the Little League semifinals tonight
Instead of commenting on the impending game tonight
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thurs. night football
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by OznCoop on Aug 27, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 guy won't make a difference
5 games back on the loss side with 36 to play means if the Tigers play .500 the Sox need to go 23 and 13 to tie. So really, the entire team needs to catch fire and whether or not Peavy starts one or two additional games this season in itself means absolutely nothing.
So why risk further injury, if in fact that’s a risk.
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Aug 27, 2009 3:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if further injury is a sizable risk, he shouldn't be pitching for charlotte either.
if heart won baseball games, we'd all be in the show.
by Toonderstrook on Aug 27, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say put him in a jewel encrusted box so nothing happens to him, ever.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 27, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely. If pitching can get a pitcher hurt, then pitchers absolutely should not pitch.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 27, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then we should throw a pitching machine next game
cause there’s a chance any pitcher will take a liner off the face next time out, or blow his Achilles running to first, or any of the other inherit risks a pitcher takes when climbing on the bump.
by Shakey on Aug 27, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, I think both of you are going overboard
If Peavy’s current injury is not completely healed to the satisfaction of the doctors and Kenny, then let him heal. There is a difference between the inherent risk every player has of getting hurt, and stupidly forcing a guy back when there is already something wrong with him.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 27, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't there also a difference between an injury that could cause long term damage if meddled with, and one that cannot?
His elbow is obviously fine, with the possible exception of swelling and soreness. His ankle is obviously at or near 100 percent. There is, based on what we know (which is less than what they know, of course), I see no reason to pitch him somewhere other than New York on a day we could REALLY use him.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 27, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when a guy isn't close to 100% sharp, they're far more likely to over-exert themselves and fuck themselves up.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he wasn't close to 100%, would they start him in Charlotte, or would they do bullpens until he finally was close to 100%?
I think the latter.
If there is a real risk, then he should not be pitching ANYWHERE, not just on the big club. That’s all.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 27, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eyes skipped "sharp"
Totally different argument. Apologies.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 27, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously no one should - and no one expect idiots do - send players, particularly pitchers, on rehab assignments if they aren't medically cleared to play.
peavy of course is basically healthy, other than the soreness one would expect from ramping up (and obviously he took that line drive last time out). rehab, especially after three months out, is basically ST.
I think there's sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. - Ichiro
by larry on Aug 27, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like that either.
What if the pitching machine takes a liner to the chute which distorts the trajectory of the pitch and makes it impossible to throw strikes? What if the barrel of a broken bat switches off the power lever?
So many things could go wrong. We should just forfeit all games for lack of ability to pitch.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 27, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could paint it pink, put a nice skirt on it, give it big metal tits…
…but we better wait until we’re done with the Red Sox and out of BA’s line of concentration.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 27, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the Sawks should use a machine
The Sox would have never seen the machine, thus resulting in a 1-hitter for the machine.
Tonight’s starter for Boston:
"My problem is, I've been lazy." - Carlos Zambrano
by tailgater on Aug 27, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could put an adjustable leg on it to tilt it and have it pitch from different arm angles.
Or suspend it upside down and call it the Wunschmeister 4000.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 27, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it can drop down and be ineffective
We can call it the “Jose 2000”
"My problem is, I've been lazy." - Carlos Zambrano
by tailgater on Aug 27, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Jose 2009"
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 27, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or if a runner trips over the power cord and pulls it from its socket
What are the rules of plugging it back in – will we have to switch to a different machine. I hear those Japanese machines are very good fundamentally. Though the ones made in Mexico are much cheaper.
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If unable to fix in one visit, the machine must be replaced.
by mick10 on Aug 27, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fix the Machine? Fix the Machine?
Fix the Machine!
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by winningugly on Aug 28, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the runner is out for being out of the basepath
by mick10 on Aug 27, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the machine breaks down, Jim McMahon must punt it into the video board at Cowboys stadium.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 27, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just saw that thing in person the other day
jesus tapdancing christ is that thing obscene. the video boards that cap it for the endzones are huge in and of themselves, but the main one dwarfs them.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 28, 2009 3:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
every pitcher is one pitch away from his last pitch.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 27, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
richard vs vasquez tonight
we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip
by BoeJouma on Aug 27, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
huh. i always wondered what happened to carlos.
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by larry on Aug 27, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
chuck garfein points out that mike macdougals ERA in 11.1 innings this month is 0.00
fucker
Took 3 years to find out about disco demolition night.
by Jackkoho on Aug 27, 2009 4:50 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
That proves it - Cooper sucks
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Aug 27, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It proves when you go to Washington,
you can buy anything.
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by winningugly on Aug 27, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
washington has a shitty defense
On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.
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