Least Coast
by The Cheat on Aug 30, 2009 11:35 AM CDT
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I have a headache
going back to bed.
dancing on the sand.
by thecip on Aug 30, 2009 11:55 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
New plan for 2010
Go get Tony LaRussa and get him to convince Pujols to come over a few years later. Granted they’ll probably have won the World Series again by then…
We need to win 2 of 3 for the remaining 32 games
Haven’t had such a stretch so far this year, but hopefully we can avoid the sweep today and win the series in Min (I like the pitching matchups, maybe the offense will show up)
They've matched their hit total.
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So Pods, of all people
Takes Joba’s otherworldly fastball and chops it by Mark Teixeira’s otherworldly defense.
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A ferocious 91-92 from Joba
Much slower than when he’s in the Pen until he randomly cues it up later in the game
He got it 93 there
He’s untouchable.
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by Sox Machine on Aug 30, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
So the guy with endurance issues has retired four batters on 10 pitches.
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He's on pace for a three-pitch third.
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by Sox Machine on Aug 30, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
YES keeps hanging up for me
I’ve missed three of seven outs so far.
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The spoils of a left-handed first baseman.
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Might've been waiting for a target.
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by Sox Machine on Aug 30, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
He probably won't get to third on a grounder, though
Who cares if Nix can’t hit it to the right side.
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by Sox Machine on Aug 30, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like the joke's on me!
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by Sox Machine on Aug 30, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Just needs to be coached!
0 Caught stealing yarr. Our coaching is amazing anyway, in time he’ll be as amazing as Thome the wheels machine.
Good job by Nix to pick up the key outs we failed to pick up on that hit
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They just needed enough baserunners for some stupid baserunning
It was with us all along.
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Just because it would've scored a run.
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by Sox Machine on Aug 30, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
i am wrestling with that still and remain undecided
i do think that factored into the ump’s reasoning though.
Time for Bulls and Bears..
This season is toast…
if people are going to keep posting this,
they should at least come up with a unique variation. like:
“This season is ova. Time for Ferris State Cross Country.”
I think some umps should, depending on the zone they've established.
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by Sox Machine on Aug 30, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh sure, *now* you introduce punctuation and allow only one possible interpretation of your sentence.
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Maybe Sox pitchers give up two-out runs to show the offense what's possible.
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C'mon... its FNS
Gotta be anallingus on each other.
Screw you, monkeyboy, Imma goin Home!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 30, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
recxcccc
Flowers – who is apparently the motherfucking boogeyman of the southern league
by omnipotent grab on Aug 30, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
yum
Quizno’s turkey bacon guacamole sub
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
But hey, Freddy pitched around two errors.
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I felt like I was in the middle of an ESPN commercial for a few minutes
I bet he really does get sick of hearing that.
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
Seems like it's been a while since Beckham hit a line drive.
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He's gotten a little bit of that loop he had in his swing in college/scouting video
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thats scary
scary bad
On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.
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by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply recommended Unrec 3
Ah, there's Jeter's lack of range.
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Ron Darling and Chip Caray raving about how great the hop play is
“Should be called the Jeter.” 3 time gold glove winning defensive shortstop mastermind that he is
i would like to contribute a positive anti-jinx
by asking if any team has played a whole series at the new bronx without a homer yet??
damn, you know it's shit when hawk sounds like he's lost all interest
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
Turn on TBS...
These jackasses are slightly more tolerable than Hawk, and the picture/sound quality is better.
NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE
but hawk and stone are so quiet and peaceful
if a sox game was played and nobody announced, did it really happen?
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by thatshortkid on Aug 30, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
hey, i know that guy warming up
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
In the future, everbody is going to look like A-Rod
goddamn goo-backs
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Aug 30, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions
And I imagine "whiteness" will be a determinant in success a la Brasil
Moreso than it is now at any rate
Day took our jobs!
Flowers – who is apparently the motherfucking boogeyman of the southern league
by omnipotent grab on Aug 30, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Two consecutive quality starts for Freddy.
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sounds like a pattern!
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Aug 30, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
i believe that's the Awesome Sample Size
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by thatshortkid on Aug 30, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure YES' biography of Steinbrenner isn't going to be "definitive."
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and doggone it..
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by thatshortkid on Aug 30, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
my completely uninformed opinion says maybe, no
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by thatshortkid on Aug 30, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if the guy you can hear over the broadcast is with the Sox. Probably not.
“Pick your pitch, c’mon now.”
“Attaboy.”
“C’mon Nix.”
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
well, the sox were able to keep this season interesting all the way to
the International Salmon Fishing Festival in Suldalslagen, Norway, which is really all you can ask of any baseball team.
Cashing checks and having sex.
i'm not the kind of guy who demands that my team stay competitive through
the Albuquerque International Balloon Fiesta like some kind of ultra-demanding yankees fan.
Cashing checks and having sex.
not so fast, texas losing
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by thatshortkid on Aug 30, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Why is Randy pitching to righties again?
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
because anything terrible is on the players, you see
(bleep)ing little league games and whatnot
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by thatshortkid on Aug 30, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
A success as brilliant as the economy
As conducted by those brilliant men advancing solely on merit in our perfect society
yeah, fuck you old hickory!!
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Aug 30, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm a Tippecanoe guy myself
His inauguration speech was to die for! GET IT!!!
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Aug 30, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
arrived like strangers in the night
FAB! Long time ago when he was FAB
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Aug 30, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
my goodness, that mets lineup is terrible.
big z really struggling with some bums today.
Cashing checks and having sex.
some venezuelan headcase
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by thatshortkid on Aug 30, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
oZZie?
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
jinx!
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by thatshortkid on Aug 30, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Z out already.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
Oh this ought to be good
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
I think that's what we're all waiting for
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
today is the day his ERA tops 4
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Aug 30, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
does it count if he spreads it out?
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by thatshortkid on Aug 30, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't stop laughing
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
Frankly, he doesn't know
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Aug 30, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
THAT WAS AWESOME!!!!
Flowers – who is apparently the motherfucking boogeyman of the southern league
by omnipotent grab on Aug 30, 2009 2:33 PM CDT reply actions
what you are witnessing is a statistical aberration, you guys
it’s SO HARD to sweep a team.
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well verlander is on line for win number 63
and should we condemn ozzie for poor pitcher choices here? i ask that seriously, i am so befuddled.
Nah, what's the point?
It doesn’t make a difference whether he puts Crappy Pitcher A or Crappy Pitcher B on the mound, the result will be the same.
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
well put. it isn't as if there's a way to use this bullpen for multiple innings without using some knob-gobblers.
Cashing checks and having sex.
I'm so happy the Yanks respect us enough to use middle relief for 3.2 innings
And pull out the starter after the 3rd.
Pena and Linebrink = Bad
Thornton = Good, Dotel, Jenks = Decent, Williams = Crappy last two outings, pretty good before that
Which is again better than most ML bullpens
I suppose the "choice" is to leave Garcia out there to go as long as possible.
But it seems like a similar result was likely no matter what.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
You can put 'em in the morrrrrrrrrgue
yes
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
by RWShow on Aug 30, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
dont forget...
we are saving easyheat for the playoff push.
well, now i can comfortably go to my daughters picnic in audubon park
I think Ozzie doesn't have a clue how to use a bullpen
Williams pitching to righties?
Linebrink in high-leverage situations?
WTF?
Was he always this bad? He used to not let Thonrton pitch to righties, why Williams?
How long ago did you start watching this team?
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
so are we gonna agree that game 1 vs. boston (contreras' nightmare) was the day the sox season died?
Cashing checks and having sex.
ive always been partial to the blown game vs. the pirates in the 9th...
tho that was, granted, a bit early for such dramatic assessments
They still have to be 6.5 out
“This is the game that ended it all” 40 games away from the end is just a really stupid thing to say, but its pretty common amongst sports reporters. That being said it’s probably over, alas.
I like the no-no as nachdem we had just 2 starters
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Aug 30, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Last year, the season died in Minnesota, before they pulled it out of their ass.
Obviously they look hideous lately, but they are nowhere near this bad.
That said, go Bears.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
I want to believe...
in santa claus, bigfoot and WMD too, but I cant. I have eyes and a brain, and know we are this bad- I see it every game.
Screw you, monkeyboy, Imma goin Home!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 30, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Every game of late, yes.
The season is more than a week old. Not even a month ago we all thought it was completely reasonable to have a shot at the playoffs. Here we are, a disastrous month later, 6 out. Not close enough for real optimism, but not double digits either.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
I think they sold their soul for that perfect game
after that it has been down the tubes
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if we're going to assess some generic labels for this season...
i’d say the buehrle game was the pinnacle, or the turning-point.
and that contreras’ boston start was the floodgate. and perhaps the microcosm of the whole season.
Cashing checks and having sex.
It was the first game I posted on this site
Is there any way I can get that game thread back? I think i said something about this season going to hell just like the last time he did it
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Aug 30, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That's fairly disgusting.
"I would literally vote for a horse if one were put on the ballot against Stroger."
"I would literally have sex with a horse before voting for Stroger."
freddy has done a fine job against 2 very tough teams that battered every other pitcher on the staff.
good job fred
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"battered every other pitcher on the staff"
excepting
Danks
Floyd
MB
Contreras’ starts were the only problem starts.
Relief pitching was a debacle and hitting was not good.
'09 White Sox - Too many brain cramps.
Really, hard to believe,
5 quality starts, 1 victory.
'09 White Sox - Too many brain cramps.
Wasted quality starts a pattern all year
If not through abysmal offense, crummy defense or and/or baserunning gaffes
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year.
by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 31, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Its so nice for mlb.com to allow a live-look-in to the game now that it's 8-2
sort of “Triumphes des willes” -esque isn’t it?
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Aug 30, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions
JD is my vote for face of the season
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Aug 30, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions
Glad nobody did anything to tire themselves out today
I’d hate to see the players wearing themselves down, although Linebrink is doing so much of that twisting around looking up watching the ball go out thing that he’s bound to have fatigued neck muscles soon…
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Aug 30, 2009 3:03 PM CDT reply actions
mumblemumbleperfectomumblemumble
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by thatshortkid on Aug 30, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
LOOGY
yank manager knows how to use left men. gobble was better than william s but both have been criminal misused. im not happy with managers pitch chandelier this reason
by hoodlight on Aug 30, 2009 4:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Season ended for me when Dewayne Wise was sent down to the minors
Such disrespect to a man with so much heart completely killed it, a grim specter of the losses to follow. A crucial loss.
It's just like when they let Ozuna go
Killed the spirit of team — no heart and no desire left.
by hitlesswonder on Aug 30, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
The sox are the team to beat
everyday. bring on the thunderdome we are going to sweep it iowa hawkeye style 56-0
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
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I'm ready for more of the youth movement.
We were floundering in April and May when Beckham came up and gave us a boost. Getz has had a very good rookie year at 2nd. (by the way, we are 6-11 without him, since going on DL) Nix has been a good utility option and Danks and Floyd have been pretty steady. I guess we’ll find out next year what we have in Rios. Our vets have let us down since the ASB as has our bullben and defense. Time for more change.
I love JD but he is too expensive and a defensive liability, he needs to go. Thome, same situation. Too slow, too old and too expensive. We’re stuck with Paulie for another year but he might have one more good year left in him. Count, Dotel and possibly Jenks will be gone too.
Take the money shaved from payroll next year and get a 5th starter and a Chone figgins or Randy Winn. In 2011, hopefully we’ll have Viciedo, Flowers, Danks, Hudson, Mitchell, etc.
If only I had any faith in the "so-called" talent we have down there - be scared, very very scared
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
No - no more lumbering slow guys with their upside behind them
I thought that earlier in the year, but the last month has me no longer wanting to see Thome, Dye.
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
sure.
let’s just throw the baby out with the bathwater. here’s another way to build the team: get rid of the players with less value and keep the ones with more value. i know, i know. maybe i’m one of those crazy fans who wants to win games and doesn’t give a shit how it’s done.
If only it were so easy
The one player everyone wants gone is Linebrink and he is impossible to move and probably highly unlikely they pull a MacDougal and eat that contract.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 30, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
no. actually it is that easy.
and i wasn’t referring to sunk costs. i was referring to thome and dye. one is not like the other in terms of value. this is a no fucking brainer.
and, at any rate, linebrink can easily be made irrelevant. just don’t pitch him in high leverage situations. done.
I agree
for some reason they can’t get it through their heads on Linebrink.
The only thing that gives me hesitation on offering a new contract to Thome is health and the length/cost of the contract. But, a one-year incentive laden deal would be fine with me.
I don’t want to see Dye in RF anymore.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 30, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
when you look at the statistical difference between this year's team and last year's team, the most glaring difference is in slugging.
this isn’t the deadball era. this is 2010, this is the american league, and this is us cellular field. deciding to further punt on power is a stupid idea. if you want better defense, more speed, whatever, have it at. that has nothing to do with the DH spot. the rules give you a position to put someone who can hit the ever-loving shit out of the ball. use it appropriately. thome has been the best hitter on this team. and it isn’t close.
he's got a year left with the nats, right?
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Brandon Allen!!!
oh wait
On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.
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by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply recommended Unrec 3
the 2010 free agent market certainly makes Thome no-brainer signing
2009: Not with a bang but a whimper.
yeah, right. he's batting .252.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
This isn't the deadball era but it is the post-steroid era.
Defense, pitching and speed is once again the way to build a winning club. If we can get Thome for, say 5 mil next year, I’m all for it. We need a left handed power bat. If the price is higher than that, I would look at other options. Thome used to hit the ever loving shit out of the ball but he has drawbacks too. He can’t play the field, can’t run and has had health issues the past few years.
US cellular field is more a product of the teams we fielded than park factor.
yeah
fuck the guy who has been worth the most runs with his bat
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
which of these lefty mashers you going to go after?
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
a guy who'll be 35 next june whose ops+ over the last four years is 94? sweet.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
good speed, good defense and cheap.
I’d rather spend the money on pitching. If I was concerned with ops+, I’d keep Dye.
you're not concerned about a guy who's age 35 season
saw his bat completely fall off the table? he’s a decent buy low candidate, but i’d want some kind of insurance.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
and if he's that cheap, there's no issue keeping thome.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Thome at 5 or 6m, I keep. I'm saying Dye at 12m is not a good idea.
There are better options available, whether Winn, Abreu or whoever.
i wasn't advocating keeping dye at any point here.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
my reply was to a post strictly about thome, after all.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the only issue we may have is the price of Thome.
If we could sign for 5 or 6m I’d love to see him back. On the free market, he might get more and I don’t think he’s worth more than that.
lots of things at play.
only al in play, thome will probably not leave the sox to go to a team with absolutely no shot at getting out of the shitter (i.e., baltimore), maybe give a marginal discount to stay in chicago, etc.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
He was injured this year but that goes with the age.
I think he will demand about half the salary Dye will in the off-season and he is a pretty damn good ballplayer. Won’t hit for power like Dye but will hit for the same average, add team speed and much improved defense.
I just threw his name out there, maybe there is a better alternative but given the choice between Dye at 12m and Winn at 6m, I’ll take Winn and go after Lackey.
i'm not sure why that's relevant.
the Sox are obviously free to buy out the option at 1MM, at which point any team may negotiate a fee for his services.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
then why suggest that as the expected salary?
Dye-type players were not getting anywhere near 12 per this past off-season.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
that's his contract option.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
delgados
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry, 36 next june.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Thome is too much of an injury risk for full time DH
but I’d keep him with a cheap enough incentive-based contract to platoon with a RH similarly inexpensive slugger.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year.
by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 31, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
his health has been pretty good since he's been here.
on pace for 530+ pa this season, 602 in ’08, 536 in ’07, 610 in ’06.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 31, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Back, ankle
not getting any younger.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year.
by NorthSidePaulie on Aug 31, 2009 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
the best Thome, Dye and Pauli can give us now is 500 ball
they were all amazing back in the day, but they need to go
On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.
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by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply recommended Unrec 3
thome's .881 ops as the only lefty with pop will be easy to replace.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
the offense is below average...
yet nobody can get replaced. there’s always some excuse….he’s cheap, he’s a rookie, he’s a grinder, he’s not the problem, blah blah blah.
everyone forgets how anemic the overall offense was in 2005. the best pitching staff wins the central every year.
2009: Not with a bang but a whimper.
+1
sox have outscored and outslugged and have a higher batting average and on-base percentage than the tigers.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Buehrls, Count, and the pen
have been atrocious down the stretch, such as it is. Not everyone has forgotten how we did it in 2005. What’s our record in one-run games this year vs. 2005? What is our average runs/ga,e this year vs. ’05? How does our defense look this year vs. ’05? The wan “tirade” yesterday by Ozzie resembles the one he made in ’05 around this time, minus the passion and fear.
Bring on 2010. Peavy and Mitchell injuries are just further confirmation that this ain’t our year, karmically speaking.
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A karmical defeat
We’re like the Mets! So plagued by injuries, if only we had our best guys out there we’d be fantastic!
i agree.
i’m just letting my frustration with the “this team has foundered, so get rid of everybody over 30” nonsense get the best of me. this isn’t r.b.i. baseball for the old nes. there are contract considerations and the ability to fill roster spots at play.
2009 thome =/= 2009 dye, not to mention that finding lefties with thome’s pop ain’t easy or cheap and dye will probably be able to find a team who’ll let him play the outfield next year. and for better or worse, paulie is at his career numbers and ain’t going anywhere.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not that simple.
Thome and Dye are good ballplayers. They used to be great ballplayers and they make a lot of money, deservedly. I would rather underpay a young up-coming talent as overpay for past performance if the results were similar and the money could be used to improve our farm system or our pitching.
but with thome, you're still getting good performance.
and there aren’t that many cheap lefty options to insert into the lineup next year. if you’re advocating blowing it all up for next year, it makes sense to forego thome. if you’re not, it doesn’t make sense to do so just because he’s old.
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by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
We will see
Dye has much more value, imo. Younger, can play a position (not well) and healthier, has been more productive than Thome over the past 4 years.
Dye has been atrocious in the field.
He is effectively a DH and his second half is alarming.
Moreover, Thome gets on base. That should be a premium consideration. I’d pay more for Thome.
by hitlesswonder on Aug 30, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
his fielding is such that he's basically a DH.
the position adjustment plus his shite D is equal to or worse than the DH position adjustment. which means that the bat is all that matters and obviously Thome has the better bat. adjust somewhat for age and baserunning and they’re about equal i’d guess.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
doubtful. the market for abreu/dunn was soft in part bc their defensive ineptness was so blatant and deleterious to their overall value
dye is no exception
2009: Not with a bang but a whimper.
No. Four starters doesn't make anyone a favorite the August before the next year
by hitlesswonder on Aug 30, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
it's a bit early to be making predictions on who wins next fall
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
oh i do
i also understand that there is an off-season where teams pick up new players and that trying to predict who will win next october in this year’s august is a stupid fucking idea
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
oh, fuck. i just put all my dough on whoever has randy winn next year.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a stupid fucking idea if you're betting money on it.
For conversation sake on an internet forum, it’s not that fucking stupid, you stupid fucker.
it is pretty stupid
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Especialfuckingly since he might be cheap to sign
He clearly is picky about where he plays, and he’s restricted to the AL. Who else in the Midwest is going to sign him? It might not be true, but I think it’s possible Thome just wants to play a couple more years in a place he’s comfortable. If he’s happy with the organization and is content to take relatively modest money, it would be stupid to let Thome go.
by hitlesswonder on Aug 30, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Where do you acquire young up-coming talent that's ready to produce at the ML level?
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acquire =/= from your farm system
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
really.
the comment was in response to “Thome and Dye are good ballplayers. They used to be great ballplayers and they make a lot of money, deservedly. I would rather underpay a young up-coming talent as overpay for past performance if the results were similar and the money could be used to improve our farm system or our pitching.” you know, where you were talking about going out and getting players, either free agents or prospects. you weren’t talking about calling guys up already in the system. so yes, in this discussion, “acquire” does not mean calling up your own guys.
are you having trouble following strings? like when you starting talking about dye in a string about thome?
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I'm following strings correctly.
I assumed most folks here knew a ‘prospect’ could be a minor leaguer from you own organization or from another. If you pay closer attention to the strings, I believe cheat asked where we would ‘acquire’ such a talent.
you were talking about underpaying someone new or improving your own.
you would improve your own with guys who are already there?
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
not to mention you wouldn't need to spend any money
to improve your system with prospects you’ve already got.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
yikes.
this all started with you talking about whether to re-sign dye and thome. you said you’d rather underpay an up and comer (if similar results) or use that money to improve the farm system or pitching. so that’s all about spending money. when someone asks a question about acquiring talent in response to your comment about spending money, you think the question was about the prospects already in the system?
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
good.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
that i believe.
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
ok, i'll bite.
you commented about spending money saved from not re-signing thome and picking up dye’s option on a cheap, up and coming talent ready to produce now in the majors. subsequently, somebody asked a question about where to “acquire” such talent. (you know, because it doesn’t really happen.)
this had nothing to do with players currently in the system because (a) if there were major league ready guys in the system, we wouldn’t have to use any of the thome/dye money on them because they’re already signed, and (b) nobody would ask the question, “where do we find this kind of guy” if they were talking about players already signed by the sox.
my questions are why did you respond to the question with “from your own farm system” and disagree with my comment that in the context of the string, “acquire” was not referring to calling up guys from your own system?
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 30, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Acquire =/= from your farm system
Is your brilliant equation, not mine. As far as where to find such talent (you know, because it doesn’t really happen), I would offer the following names. Beckham, Ramirez, Quentin, Thornton, Getz, Danks & Floyd. Imagine the possibilities!
"Acquire" in baseball speak means
Either a Free Agent signing, a successful waiver claim, or a trade. Universally.
but what about
the players the sox will acquire when the rosters expand tomorrow?
somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and i want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Aug 31, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
well in that case, what you said amounts to
pitching and defense wins division titles. there’s nothing i’ve seen to suggest that it matters where you get your wins from in the regular season.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
My vote is that the Sox spend money or talent to upgrade the offense next season
by hitlesswonder on Aug 30, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
my vote is that the Sox spend money or talent to upgrade the win total next season.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Aug 30, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I won't argue with that...
Specifically I was thinking:
I’m assuming anything more than a scrapheap starter will be too pricey for Sox. I don’t need to see more money spent on relievers, I’m hoping the Sox can find decent arms in the minors and off the heap. The have a good defensive CF now. I think they need a bat.
by hitlesswonder on Aug 30, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
they need a DH and a RF
i think they should keep Thome, sign some scrapheap 5th starter candidate(s) and then figure out the RF situation. i think a trade is somewhat likely, as Danks, Viciedo, Mitchell, and, say, Marrero, would probably be enough to lock up a RF of some kind. i’m protecting Hudson and Flowers, since their services may well be required in ‘10. That’s something like 100-110MM, right back around ‘06-’08 levels.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
i say bring sweaty freddy back
at least his ego is immune to ozzie’s wrath. he’s only 33 and can give you a 4.5 FIP
2009: Not with a bang but a whimper.
i'm pretty sure Freddy's near replacement level.
though his last two starts have been somewhat encouraging. in any case, if you’re willing to take him on this year, why not next? freddy, hudson and somebody else can man the 5 spot. works for me. smoltz? penny? whatevs.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
My guess is that Rios is in RF
With Pods in CF and Q in LF
But that’s just what I think they’ll. I’d like them to think bigger and, as you suggest, acquire a significant offensive talent for RF and keep Rios in CF.
Of course, then who will leadoff?!?
by hitlesswonder on Aug 30, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't think anyone has the stomach to take the bait right now
2009: Not with a bang but a whimper.
if Pods is in CF, that's just ridiculous.
have you seen what he got on the 2009 FSR? J.D. and Q! are rated better.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
I agree, but the Sox have demonstrated
1) They don’t care about CF defense
2) They do care about having a “classic” leadoff hitter
Add in that Pods will be cheap and I think the chances of him in CF next season are much more than negligible.
by hitlesswonder on Aug 30, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
i disagree.
they’ve shown they will disregard CF under certain circumstances. Rios and Rowand are significant counterexamples.
as to the latter, i don’t really remember what kind of leadoff men the Sox have featured in Kenny’s term. i do know that the media has made it a talking point and to that extent, i figured it was all that mattered.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
I think Alexei might end up in the outfield if we fail to make a trade...
2009: Not with a bang but a whimper.
could be.
i wouldn’t mind. we’re still in need of 1 position player.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
Figgins.
I’ve learned not to underestimate KW’s crushes. He’ll appease Ozzie’s call for MLB-level defense and solve the “who bats first” riddle.
2009: Not with a bang but a whimper.
he's been awfully good this year
Figgins/Beckham/Nix-Getz/Konerko would be fun.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
trotting out Jr. at CF in key games last year does make me wonder...
2009: Not with a bang but a whimper.
pods in left, Rios center, Q right???
On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.
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by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply recommended Unrec 3
by blackoutsox on Aug 30, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Not what I said at all.
Baseball is a marathon, unlike any other sport. It’s a crapshoot every year, regular season as well as playoffs. The best formula for both regular season and playoffs is pitching and defense. Hitting helps.
by crapshoot, i mean "there is no predicting who will win"
which is what the data shows. if there’s no predicting who will win in the regular season, then how could there be a formula for doing well?
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
Go back through baseball history and look at the data.
Of course you have to factor in the injuries but it’s obvious that good pitching prevails.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH CHAOS!
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by thecip on Aug 30, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Go green, cip.
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well this thread is ridiculous.
make a new one. still a month left. lets see what happens before we start talking about the 2011 season for the love of fucking god.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Discussing who to resign isn't so bad.
The season itself is mostly just a wait and see but don’t expect too much. Dome dome dome dome dome
The trend is not your friend here, Ken.
And it has not been. No miracle curess here. 2010 is reasonable. If you want to stay positive focus on the future, not on what has a 5% shot to succeed (the remainder of this year). Play the lottery if you want long odds – at least there is some personal benefit, and the answer comes within a week.
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