White Sox Minor League Update Doesn't Take A Day Off
by larry on Aug 8, 2009 2:12 PM CDT
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One of the reasons prospects don't pan out is injuries. Pitchers are particularly prone to them, of course, but it can strike any player. The White Sox have been fortunate of late that none of their top prospects have experienced catastrophic injury. However, as should be expected, a number of their lower ranked prospects have had injuries which have limited, or stalled, their development.
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morel 3-5, 2B
kuhn 1-5, SB
greene 1-4, BB
mollenhauer 1-4, S, SB
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gilmore 3-5, 2B, SB
mitchell 0-1, 3 BB
black 1-4
remenowsky 1 IP, 1 hit, 0 BB, 1 K.
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morgado in cape cod league playoffs
5.2 IP, 4 hits, 4 BB, 4 K, 2 WP.
http://www.capecodbaseball.org/Stats/BoxScoreDetail.asp?FileName=BOU8080.HTM
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Daniel Hudson's final line in his AAA debut: 4 IP, 8 hits, 1 BB, 2 K, 1 HBP. I'm thinking he's not a fifth starter option at this point.
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lillibridge 1-4, 2B, BB, SB
armstrong 2-5
fields 1-5
betemit 3-5, 2B
link continues to shit the bed: 1 IP, 2 hits, 1 BB, 0 K, 1 R.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=456899
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He probably didn't have the slider/change
Didn’t record a single groundout
by 3E8 on Aug 9, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought he had the fastbal/slider/change all in one pitch...
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only gave up a double and one walk
so here’s hoping it was a lot of BABIP bad luck and crap fielding.
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hm
low A to AAA is a big jump for one season…
but he did stuggle in high A for a while too
here’s hoping he makes another adjustment
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I was thinking
you’d probably have a tougher time finding a player who spent time at every full-season minor league level than one who started at low-A and made it to the majors in the same year. You just don’t see guys move through EVERY level of the minors in a year. If you’re making big jumps — and you acknowledged that it’s a big jump — you almost always see them just make the biggest jump as well.
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I was a little worried about Hudsons lightning quick ascension being unrealistic
(especially if you include rumors that he may be a spot 5th starter this year)
but that is an excellent point, thank you
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reading more into this
yes those who started in low A and make the majors in the same year are more common than those who spend a whole year at each level. If you need a full year at each level, chances are, you aren’t good enough for the bigs. However, those jumping to the majors in one year are often talents along the lines of Beckham and those players often skip levels. However, Hudson has been going through EVERY level like you said and hasn’t skipped any levels in one year which is quite unusual.
I don’t know if he’s just simply very good at making adjustments or what but its certainly more encouraging than a warning sign
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Egbert over Torres for a spot start next week?
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
egbert hasn't exactly been impressive lately either.
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fyi, it's probably garcia who is next in line.
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kuhn 0-5
greene 3-5, 2 SB
mollenhauer 0-5
morel 1-4
infante 2.2 IP, 1 hit, 6 BB, 3 K, 1 HBP
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_08_09_frdafa_wswafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
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Tyler Kuhn
Haven’t heard much about this guy. Played 2B in the game you listed, but on the team’s site he is an OF. Seems to have good numbers batting leadoff and is almost 23 years old. What is his game like and does he have a shot?
bristol game 2
shoemaker 1-3, HR
thompson 1-3
pangilinan 1-1
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that was actually a 0-3 with 2 K.
he sucks.
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oh great
now we have to go back and double check all of larrys work.
we could be here all night.
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
5%?
unacceptable lar
"Well, I dont know it might be a bad thing. I think in '07 after I threw the no-hitter we kind of fell on our faces after that, so, hopefully we get this out, celebrate tonight, go out and party and then off to Detroit for the double-header." -Mark Buehrle on 'momentum' from perfect game. Sox 7-10 since then.
J Mitchell has a .450 OBP and 18BB's/20K's
Looking forward to having some guys with plate discipline like Mitchell and Flowers along with Bacon. Flowers hasn’t shown that in AAA yet, but it’s probably because he’s been challenged more since he got off to a slow start. He’s hitting .300 now and I’ll bet he produces a much better OBP next year and will be ready in 2011.
Don’t know if there’s been any studies on it, but I would imagine that plate discipline is learned early on and can’t be taught after reaching the majors. That’s why I’m worried about the investment in Viciedo. I’ve heard comparison to Sandoval, but he’s hit .330 or more at everly level with a .900 OPS. Does Viciedo earn a promotion to AAA next year with a .700 OPS? I would hope not.
viciedo's cumulative numbers don't tell the whole story
as others have pointed out, he’s improved at the plate every month so far this season.
april: .221/.232/.286/.518
may: .293/.314/.397/.711
june: .276/.336/.410/.746
july: .303/.354/.472/.826
that’s a pretty encouraging trend. and keep in mind that he’s only 20 years old, one of the youngest players in AA, and adjusting to an entirely new country and culture. no reason to think he won’t continue to develop and improve.
that said, i still don’t think he starts next season in charlotte, but there’s no reason to be discouraged by his performance to date.
freddy going to try his hand at players closer to his age.
starting tuesday for charlotte.
http://twitter.com/KnightsBaseball/status/3231956059
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sickels reviewing his "preseason" grades
5) Tyler Flowers, C, Grade B: Traded to White Sox. Hitting .302/.426/.529 between Double-A and Triple-A. Defense remains a question but bat looks strong.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/8/10/984136/atlanta-braves-top-20-pre-season
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man, Fields seemingly wants to force KW into giving him away this offseason for nothing.
Does he have any value at this point??
I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.
no
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by blackoutsox on Aug 11, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
bristol
shoemaker 0-3, R, 2 K
gonzalez 2-4, 2B, 3B, 2 RBI
thompson 1-4, 1 RBI, 3 K
pagilinan 1-1
holmberg 3.2 IP, 3 H, 3 ER, 5 BB 3 K
rodriguez 1 IP, BB, 3 K
ouch, Holmberg, Ewww
Was he just facing a tough opponent in Johnson City? Did he all of a sudden forget where to find the strike zone?
I go home and get in her face - Pods
video of flowers and photos from yesterday's knights game from soxmachine
http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/08/11/first-impression-tyler-flowers/
http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/08/11/photo-gallery-charlotte-vs-pawtucket/
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works now
http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/08/11/first-impression-tyler-flowers/
I go home and get in her face - Pods
oddly
he runs like carlton fisk. kinda namby pamby like.
looks like a zombie too
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like a cat jumping from tree to tree?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Aug 11, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
there's a jon link video in there to!
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gregory infante put back on the DL
his first outing back was fine. the next couple were bad and putrid. doesn’t look good.
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Fields just continues to spiral out of control.
Does he even bring a bat to the plate?
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by winningugly on Aug 12, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
soxmachine recaps the game, including a jared mitchell video
http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/08/12/first-impression-jared-mitchell/
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bristol
shoemaker 1-3, BB, HR, R, 2 RBI
gonzalez 0-2, BB, R
pagilinan 0-3, R
wagner 2-4, 2 2B, 2 RBI
Man, larry is building an empire
over here . . . has an intern doing the dirty work and everything. Bet he has a secretary posting for him these days . . .
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
thanks for covering for me the last couple nights.
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dash game two
kuhn 1-3
greene 0-3
mollenhauer 0-3
morel 0-3
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the calm before the peavy
lilli 2-5, SB
fields 3-4, 2 2B
flowers 0-3, BB
nunez perfect IP, 1 K
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Fields read the post
that we should cut him and pick up Hall. He really likes pressure.
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by winningugly on Aug 13, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
marrero continues demand attention: 4-5, 2B, HR
danks 0-5, BB
cj 2-5, 2B
viciedo 3-5, 2B
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soxmachine's review of the game
including a glowing scouting report on that overrated fatass viciedo.
http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/08/13/first-impression-dayan-viciedo/#more-237
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fantastic stuff . . . again.
thanks Jim!
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
upchurch 5 IP, 9 hits, 3 BB, 2 K. ain't gonna see kanny this year, steve.
pangilinan 1-3, 2B, BB
thompson 0-3, BB
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BA's best tools in double-a leagues
tyler flowers has best strike zone judgment; best defensive catcher.
cj best defensive 2B
all were for southern league, of course.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/prospects/best-tools/2009/268703.html
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Best defensive catcher?
Wow. Kind of surprising – positively.
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by winningugly on Aug 13, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
managers voted on it.
they don’t know what they’re doing, blah blah blah, some guy in his step-mom’s basement should decide all awards, yada yada yada.
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Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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by winningugly on Aug 13, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
it means he's not horrible.
i.e., other managers don’t immediately think “i can run on tyler flowers at anytime” when they think of him. other than that, it probably means he hits the ball well.
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I for one am surprised of CJs defense being good.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 13, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
cj played all 12 positions in college, including leadoff
i don’t know why this would be a surprise.
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minorleaguesplits
has total zone reports on him. +8 at third last year in W-S and, iirc, +3 this year.
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The Cleveland Indians have traded infielder Andy Cannizaro to the Chicago White Sox for cash considerations.
The Indians announced Thursday that Cannizaro will be assigned to Charlotte, Chicago’s Triple-A affiliate. He was batting .269 with one homer and 19 RBI in 50 games at Triple-A Columbus.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/12061291/rss
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Relation to Chris?
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by winningugly on Aug 13, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
actually, it's andy gonzalez. he's just trying to reinvent himself.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Aug 14, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
gilmore 0-4
mitchell 2-4, 2B
black 0-3
serafin 6.1 IP, 8 hits, 0 BB, 5 K
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Ah, let him season.
We got Rios now.
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peavy 3 IP, 1 hit, 1 BB, 5 K
fields 1-3, HR, 2 BB
flowers 1-3, 2B, BB
torres 4 IP, 5 hits, 2 BB, 4 K, WP
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43 pitches is a pretty low count
5 K/1 BB is nice though.
Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."
video from soxmachine of peavy
http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/08/14/first-impression-jake-peavy/
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Not too surprising, but that
seems to all but rule out that Aug 23rd start some have mentioned.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
Heh -- just took a look at the schedule
if Peavy makes his first start at Yankee Stadium on the 29th — that’ll be the second game of the three game set there — he’d make his next start… yup… at Wrigley. Chicago sports writers would have a field day with Peavy’s “ironic” start for the Sox against the Cubs.
Maybe he will pitch this year after all
Jake Peavy, RHP, White Sox (Triple-A Charlotte)
Thursday’s stats: 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K
The biggest name to move, and the biggest surprise at the trade deadline, the big question about the White Sox acquisition of Jake Peavy revolved around whether or not he’d even pitch again this year. With seven weeks left to go in the season, things are looking more positive than ever after three dominant innings in his first rehab start while getting his fastball up to 93 mph and complementing it with a sharp breaking ball.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9390
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BA has draft picks morgado listed as "may get over-slot bonus" and justin jones as "expected to attend california"
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/2009/268711.html
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the curse of the metrodome
1 22 Twins Kyle Gibson, rhp Has medical issues (forearm)
even new Twin pitchers are mangled.
Castro ran into the dugout and told pitcher Jose Contreras, "He hasn't missed a spot all day. I think hes going to do it." Contreras replied, "Shut the fuck up."
If Morgado signs at all I'd consider it a success.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 14, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I still think it looks a weak class
Without two of the Morgado/Jones/Williams/Goodwin quartet.
And I’m a fan of the Black/Phegley/Buch/Mitchell/Bellamy picks.
by The Big Hurt on Aug 14, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Strange that you think it is a weak
class, but are a ‘big fan’ of several of the top picks . . . relying on some very long shots to make it a strong class? Goodwin was like a .0001 % chance of happening . . . seemed unlikely that Jones/Morgado would both sign from the beginning. If the sign Morgado, they pretty much signed everyone you could have expected. So, not sure you can like all the top picks and then call it a weak draft based on them signing multiple players they were unlikely to sign in the first place?
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
Actually Morgado looked like a very easy sign
He had fallen out of favour at Tennessee and he was drafted higher than expected, but then he went out and dominated at the Cape. Nobody had heard of Jones at first, BA didn’t have him amongst their top 50 (or however many it was) prospects in California, so I definitely thought he was signable at first. Goodwin there was never a chance at but I thought they had a shot at Williams if they really wanted him.
Maybe I’ll be proved wrong (it certainly wouldn’t be a first) but I just don’t think there’s a large enough pool of quality prospects as is.
by The Big Hurt on Aug 14, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
hudson 7 IP, 3 H, 2 BB, 6 K.
fields 1-4, HR
flowers 0-1, 2 BB
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I'm thinking Sept. callup
We’ll see what happens from there.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 15, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking we need to win now
I don’t think we have a better option than Hudson.
by The Big Hurt on Aug 15, 2009 4:19 AM CDT up reply actions
read sox machine's recap of his start in the front page post.
he isn’t ready.
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danks 0-4, BB
cj 1-4, BB
marrero 0-2, 3 BB, SB
viciedo 1-5, 2B
ely 5 IP, 5 H, 2 BB, 4 K, WP
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jordy = wtf?
hitting .249 now?
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by blackoutsox on Aug 14, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Daniel Hudson, the White Sox’s secret weapon, has moved into launch position. It may not be much longer until Ken Williams pushes the button to bring him to Chicago.
Assistant general manager Rick Hahn and director of baseball operations Dan Fabian seem certain to report that Hudson is an option worth considering if Jose Contreras continues to falter as Ozzie Guillen’s fourth starter.
Hudson’s fastball was 91-92 m.p.h. Friday night, a bit lower than it has been at times. His slider and changeup were sharp, and he showed poise after five of the first nine Norfolk hitters reached base against him. Hahn likened him to a cross between Gavin Floyd and the Angels’ Jered Weaver.
whats Weaver doing messing around with our BHB?
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by blackoutsox on Aug 15, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Can someone with a better handle on these things tell me
whether bringing up Hudson before Sept call-ups (insane that this question has any legitimacy at this point) would start his arbitration clock early? Or would just putting him on the 40 Man Roster cause his clock to start?
it would start his clock to bring him up. being on the 40 man does not start it.
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about.com lied to me
or I am misinterpreting this:
A player with six or more years of major-league service (on the team’s 40-man roster) who is not under contract for the following season is eligible to file for free agency.
http://baseball.about.com/od/majorleaguebasics/a/freeagentprimer.htm
Just to be clear, Sept call-ups do not start the clock, since they are not on the 25-man? What would be the rule for the playoffs? And yes I know this is all highly speculative. I trust you and Jim enough at this point to believe bringing him up is not the best idea.
that’s just poorly worded. obviously, you can’t can’t have six years or major league service if you were only on the 40 man roster during part of those six years; need to be on the 25 man.
september call-ups accrue major league service time. and the rules regarding playoff rosters are extrememly lax so it’s almost not worth going into what they are. essentially, if the white sox were to want him on the playoff roster, they could get him on by saying he’s replacing a hurt player or something.
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