Torres Learns A Lesson; Indians Bullpen Gifts Another Game
by larry on Aug 8, 2009 11:12 PM CDT
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Carlos Torres learned that major leaguers aren't going to help him out. He did not have his good stuff, throwing only 33 of his 72 pitches for strikes, but avoiding the strike zone is something with which Torres is not unfamiliar. He often relies on hitters chasing balls and, tonight, the Indians weren't playing along.
The consequence is that Torres may have blown his chance to seize the interim 5th starter spot, with D.J. Carrasco apparently close to being named to that role after an effective 2.1 IP. Carrasco's effort was part of a 5.2 IP bullpen cleanup job that yielded only one run to the Indians and allowed the White Sox offense to take advantage of the poor Indians bullpen. Tomo Ohka, who spent last season at the White Sox' AAA affiliate, repaid his former employers by giving up 4 runs in 0.1 IP of work. Two of those runs came on a towering Jim Thome blast to center.
Bobby Jenks made his first appearance in a week. He faced the final two batters and struck out one.
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I don't want Carrasco to get a starting spot
the way Count, Buehrle and Danks have been pitching in the last few starts makes me appreciate Carrasco more as the long reliever role. Taking him out of that role leaves us with Randy Williams to mop up.
I know we are just wating on Peavy to get health, but losing a few weeks of Carrasco is not my ideal way of doing it.
I go home and get in her face - Pods
Torres can take his spot.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 9, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Just like Kenny said, we only have to use the 5th spot 2-3 more times due to off days
So i wouldn’t mind Torres staying up for those 2-3 more starts. I’d see him take a couple of MPH off his stuff to at least get ahead in counts.
Not crazy about the 4 man rotation.
I’d rather see the bullpen used heavily every 5th game rather than throw in the middle innings of every game.
I really hope the Sox make a decision and stick with it, take the guesswork away from the starters and existing bullpen, and let them pitch as planned instead of changing routines every 5 days – even if it is only for another 3 weeks.
Yes! Hell Yes!
by steveinlouisville on Aug 9, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't really see your issue with skipping the 5th spot when there are off days.
Pitchers throw on normal rest. You want to use a sub par starter exactly why?
"Oh well back to work"
Less risk to the current 4 starters
Correct, there are 2 off-days scheduled between now and the estimated return of Peavy.
The current starting 4 might get 1 additional start between now and the end of the season if the 5th spot is skipped twice in the next two weeks.
Why not give them the extra day off. Save some arm strength for the end of the year (or the big 10 game road trip that ends August/starts September)?
Keeping a 5-man rotation now would have the 5th starter going up against Oakland, Kansas City, and Boston prior to the 28th of August (Peavy’s estimated return). Or the Sox can go with the 4 man rotation over the next 2 weeks taking advantage of the 2 off days so that the starting 4 can get extra work against Oakland, KC, and 1 game in Boston.
Only my opinion, but I thing Buehrle, Danks, and Contreras could use a little more rest than they have received this year based on recent outings following the skipping of the 5th spot.
Also, I would prefer to see Carrasco stay in the long reliever spot if the Sox do indeed go with a 5th starter, whoever that may be.
Yes! Hell Yes!
by steveinlouisville on Aug 9, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm too lazy to do my homework
but i thought we pulled off the 4-man reasonably well (towards the end of last season)?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
are you WTGTD?
i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry
i don't think the research supports you.
and if anyone knows how to keep starters healthy it’s KW and Herm. i wouldn’t worry about it.
THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY
Not worried.
Really just my opinion of what looks like a 6 of one/half-dozen of another situation (to me).
Thanks for letting me rant.
Yes! Hell Yes!
by steveinlouisville on Aug 9, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
ji joim hit a hoem run into the dfnak dekc
i rink lots 2niet
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that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma
by furby2056 on Aug 9, 2009 2:33 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
wow that was a good one furbs
probably should’ve put more pepsi in the bottle rather than mostly jack
that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma
nah, seems like a solid ratio. that post was pure iwn
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 9, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
you'll never see ME acting this way
i get drunk on positivity and that’s good enough for me!
¡signature!
Devin Hester, is that you?
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 9, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
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brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Aug 9, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
pretty much
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 9, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
His shenanigans are cheeky and fun
Your shenanigans are evil and sad.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 9, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
next person that types shenanigans is getting pistol whipped
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Aug 9, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey WTGTD, what's the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the wall and the mozzarella sticks?
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 9, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Chuck E Cheese?
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 9, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Ginos East?
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 15, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Chris Perez's last 9 outings.
IP 9.2
H 2
R 0
BB 4
SO 12
But what about F-I-E-L-D-E-R-S?
NoMoColon
No more Colon?
The Sox apparently have given up on Bartolo Colon returning to the team. Colon went on the disabled list again July 25 and hasn’t been heard from. Williams indicated he doesn’t care.
’’We’re covered [without him],‘’ Williams said. ’’Let me know if you find him.’’
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1707503,CST-SPT-soxnt09.article
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
boy, that's one shitty looking lineup.
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Looks a lot like our lineup against rookie pitchers earlier this season.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 9, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
that MUST mean that TOR rejected the offer
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
kotsay is spelling paul instead of josh fields
josh fields requested a trade. dun dun DUNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 9, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
wha!? josh fields is our future masher on the hot corner
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Torres' Outing
Last night Torres was not off by much. Thanks to Direct TV I was able to watch the game on WGN. A different umpire with a little bigger strike zone would have made a big difference. I know, I know pitchers must adjust to the umpire, but just sayin.
The point is I don’t think the Sox should completely give up on Torres as the 5th starter because of last nights performance.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
that's right up there with not liking how BA walks to the plate.
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you really don't think there's a reason torres pitches exclusively from the stretch?
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he says he has better control.
whether that’s true or not, i don’t know. may simply have turned into a comfort thing at this point. one would think that if this was a big issue, though, the organization would have told him to go back to pitching from the wind-up.
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I'd hate to see him in the wind-up if this is true.
I figured he was so used to having runners on base, he was just getting more reps in the stretch.
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
How Are Miguel Socolovich and Willy Mota Doing These Days?
Aug 7 RHP David Aardsma talked his way back into active status after missing two games in a row while having a boil on his rump lanced. He pitched the 10th inning Friday, walking one and striking out three.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7307/news;_ylt=AtyXtIR16.MyuuPgBSmfPO6FCLcF
BP on the Record
MLB Rumors and Rumblings: The Blue Jays are considering allowing the White Sox to take outfielder Alex Rios and the $59 million left on his contract on a straight waiver claim if they are unable to work out a trade. …
"Oh well back to work"
too much $$$, rios on the decline, jordan danks, give up flowers, kdub is an idiot, yadayadayada
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Taking on the whole contract makes Kenny a dull boy.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 9, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
you gotta throw in a lance broadway at the very least
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
every organization has a lance broadway.
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are you still proofing the broadway theorem?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he was referring to Broadway's value.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 9, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
i can't keep track of kdub's 'hustlin''
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Fields, Lillibridge, and Buttermits - straight up.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 9, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Kenny Williams is adamant he incur the wrath of every baseball blogger
Must have been disappointed at how the negative spin wasn’t harsh enough for the Peavy trade.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 9, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
needs to get zito then. the cover is already there for this one.
Add all of that up and Rios, who is right in the middle of his prime, is projected to be worth 31.5 runs above replacement. A three-win player like Rios on the free agent market would command somewhere between $12-$15 million per year in the short-term. Did I mention that Rios is making an average of $11.7 million over the next 5 years, and the Blue Jays hold a 2015 option for $13.5 million? In other words, Alex Rios is a bargain. The Blue Jays shouldn’t be looking to dump his salary on the waiver wire. They should be looking to build around this guy for the duration of his valuable contract.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/why-should-i-care-about-alex-rios/
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120 million combined to Rios and Peavy
He’ll trade for Alomar 19 more times before the season ends too. Kenny is a joke.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 9, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
how do you feel about the Buehrle and Konerko contracts?
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
I'm joking
The Rios move is fine by me. I don’t have the same enthusiasm for prospects as others do.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 9, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
FREE JORDAN DANKS
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Even if the prospects are great what's it matter?
We can move them for something else. The main goal is to acquire as much talent as possible. If they play the same position you can always make a trade.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 9, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
IMO, Sox will have to give up
something of decent value + take entire salary to make this happen.
Somebody will ante up in the off season.
But what about F-I-E-L-D-E-R-S?
I think you're right but if so, I think we'll be involved then too.
Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!
i hate it when you can't fall back asleep on weekends after the designated "up for work if it were a weekday" time
reduced to watching MIN-DET in order to get a fix before gametime
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
meteor's not doing much yet, but it's still early
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Aug 9, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Conteras
It’s time for Kenny to realize this guy is done. You never know what your going to get. Erratic as heck, 2 starts great, 2 starts very poor, next start he might fizz out after 4. At best he is .500 pitcher, with a definite lean to a below .500 pitcher. I think the guy is a head case and with the language barrier he also doesn’t seem smart enough to overcome, it’s time to admit…..HE DONE, and this trial is OVA….R
by mikec40181984 on Aug 9, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
that's what we call making an impact
with the first comment
that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma
a .500 pitcher would be fine by me for a 5th starter, considering we are a barely .500 + team.
Took 3 years to find out about disco demolition night.
was mike40181983 taken?
I really doubt Ozzie and Contreras have a language barrier.
Also, the count is our v.p. of Cuban player personnel. We dont have Alexei if Jose doesnt go talk to K-dub. We might not have Viciedo either, even though he was much more expensive and is unproven. Chapman has a different agent but if Contreras can get him on the Sox I say give Jose a 5 year extension.
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