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Torres Learns A Lesson; Indians Bullpen Gifts Another Game

The youngest member and oldest member of the White Sox shake hands after combining to drag the team back into the game.

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The youngest member and oldest member of the White Sox shake hands after combining to drag the team back into the game.


Carlos Torres learned that major leaguers aren't going to help him out. He did not have his good stuff, throwing only 33 of his 72 pitches for strikes, but avoiding the strike zone is something with which Torres is not unfamiliar. He often relies on hitters chasing balls and, tonight, the Indians weren't playing along.

The consequence is that Torres may have blown his chance to seize the interim 5th starter spot, with D.J. Carrasco apparently close to being named to that role after an effective 2.1 IP. Carrasco's effort was part of a 5.2 IP bullpen cleanup job that yielded only one run to the Indians and allowed the White Sox offense to take advantage of the poor Indians bullpen. Tomo Ohka, who spent last season at the White Sox' AAA affiliate, repaid his former employers by giving up 4 runs in 0.1 IP of work. Two of those runs came on a towering Jim Thome blast to center.

Bobby Jenks made his first appearance in a week. He faced the final two batters and struck out one.

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I don't want Carrasco to get a starting spot

the way Count, Buehrle and Danks have been pitching in the last few starts makes me appreciate Carrasco more as the long reliever role. Taking him out of that role leaves us with Randy Williams to mop up.

I know we are just wating on Peavy to get health, but losing a few weeks of Carrasco is not my ideal way of doing it.

I go home and get in her face - Pods

by airnjp on Aug 8, 2009 11:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Torres can take his spot.

"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT

by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 9, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just like Kenny said, we only have to use the 5th spot 2-3 more times due to off days

So i wouldn’t mind Torres staying up for those 2-3 more starts. I’d see him take a couple of MPH off his stuff to at least get ahead in counts.

by No Pressure on Aug 9, 2009 12:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not crazy about the 4 man rotation.

I’d rather see the bullpen used heavily every 5th game rather than throw in the middle innings of every game.

I really hope the Sox make a decision and stick with it, take the guesswork away from the starters and existing bullpen, and let them pitch as planned instead of changing routines every 5 days – even if it is only for another 3 weeks.

Yes! Hell Yes!

by steveinlouisville on Aug 9, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't really see your issue with skipping the 5th spot when there are off days.

Pitchers throw on normal rest. You want to use a sub par starter exactly why?

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Aug 9, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Less risk to the current 4 starters

Correct, there are 2 off-days scheduled between now and the estimated return of Peavy.

The current starting 4 might get 1 additional start between now and the end of the season if the 5th spot is skipped twice in the next two weeks.

Why not give them the extra day off. Save some arm strength for the end of the year (or the big 10 game road trip that ends August/starts September)?

Keeping a 5-man rotation now would have the 5th starter going up against Oakland, Kansas City, and Boston prior to the 28th of August (Peavy’s estimated return). Or the Sox can go with the 4 man rotation over the next 2 weeks taking advantage of the 2 off days so that the starting 4 can get extra work against Oakland, KC, and 1 game in Boston.

Only my opinion, but I thing Buehrle, Danks, and Contreras could use a little more rest than they have received this year based on recent outings following the skipping of the 5th spot.

Also, I would prefer to see Carrasco stay in the long reliever spot if the Sox do indeed go with a 5th starter, whoever that may be.

Yes! Hell Yes!

by steveinlouisville on Aug 9, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm too lazy to do my homework

but i thought we pulled off the 4-man reasonably well (towards the end of last season)?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you cuban?

Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!

by picktoclick on Aug 9, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you WTGTD?

i'll delete your SSS existence in a second. there is nothing that allows SSS posters, at any one moment, to keep posting, but the mere pleasure of larry.
-larry

by blackoutsox on Aug 9, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think the research supports you.

and if anyone knows how to keep starters healthy it’s KW and Herm. i wouldn’t worry about it.

THIS STORY ONLY ENDS ONE WAY

by colintj on Aug 9, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not worried.

Really just my opinion of what looks like a 6 of one/half-dozen of another situation (to me).

Thanks for letting me rant.

Yes! Hell Yes!

by steveinlouisville on Aug 9, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Torres likes to make it interesting

was giving me a heart attack in the 1st

by 815Sox on Aug 9, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow that was a good one furbs

probably should’ve put more pepsi in the bottle rather than mostly jack

that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma

by furby2056 on Aug 9, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah, seems like a solid ratio. that post was pure iwn

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Aug 9, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you'll never see ME acting this way

i get drunk on positivity and that’s good enough for me!

¡signature!

by billyok on Aug 9, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Devin Hester, is that you?

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 9, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Aug 9, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pretty much

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Aug 9, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His shenanigans are cheeky and fun

Your shenanigans are evil and sad.

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 9, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

next person that types shenanigans is getting pistol whipped

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Aug 9, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Chuck E Cheese?

"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT

by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 9, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ginos East?

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 15, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Game

THank you tom ohka

Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto

by The_Fan on Aug 9, 2009 3:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

NoMoColon

No more Colon?
The Sox apparently have given up on Bartolo Colon returning to the team. Colon went on the disabled list again July 25 and hasn’t been heard from. Williams indicated he doesn’t care.

’’We’re covered [without him],‘’ Williams said. ’’Let me know if you find him.’’

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1707503,CST-SPT-soxnt09.article

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 9, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks

you the man.

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by larry on Aug 9, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no respect these days

i tell ya

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart

by Jbasic89 on Aug 9, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

boy, that's one shitty looking lineup.

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by larry on Aug 9, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks a lot like our lineup against rookie pitchers earlier this season.

"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT

by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 9, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sox vs Cle:

pods8, beck5, jd9, pkdh, aj2, q7, kotsay3, ram6, getz4. Contreras pitching.

by PaulieK14 on Aug 9, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

:o

JD is BACK in the lineup?!

by PaulieK14 on Aug 9, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that MUST mean that TOR rejected the offer

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

kotsay is spelling paul instead of josh fields

josh fields requested a trade. dun dun DUNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Aug 9, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wha!? josh fields is our future masher on the hot corner

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Torres' Outing

Last night Torres was not off by much. Thanks to Direct TV I was able to watch the game on WGN. A different umpire with a little bigger strike zone would have made a big difference. I know, I know pitchers must adjust to the umpire, but just sayin.
The point is I don’t think the Sox should completely give up on Torres as the 5th starter because of last nights performance.

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on Aug 9, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that's right up there with not liking how BA walks to the plate.

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by larry on Aug 9, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you really don't think there's a reason torres pitches exclusively from the stretch?

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by larry on Aug 9, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what's the reason?

Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!

by picktoclick on Aug 9, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he says he has better control.

whether that’s true or not, i don’t know. may simply have turned into a comfort thing at this point. one would think that if this was a big issue, though, the organization would have told him to go back to pitching from the wind-up.

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by larry on Aug 9, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd hate to see him in the wind-up if this is true.

I figured he was so used to having runners on base, he was just getting more reps in the stretch.

Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!

by picktoclick on Aug 9, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How Are Miguel Socolovich and Willy Mota Doing These Days?
Aug 7 RHP David Aardsma talked his way back into active status after missing two games in a row while having a boil on his rump lanced. He pitched the 10th inning Friday, walking one and striking out three.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7307/news;_ylt=AtyXtIR16.MyuuPgBSmfPO6FCLcF

by PaulieK14 on Aug 9, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BP on the Record

MLB Rumors and Rumblings: The Blue Jays are considering allowing the White Sox to take outfielder Alex Rios and the $59 million left on his contract on a straight waiver claim if they are unable to work out a trade. …

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Aug 9, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

woo woo

get on the train! I can dig it

¡signature!

by billyok on Aug 9, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

too much $$$, rios on the decline, jordan danks, give up flowers, kdub is an idiot, yadayadayada

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taking on the whole contract makes Kenny a dull boy.

"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT

by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 9, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you gotta throw in a lance broadway at the very least

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

every organization has a lance broadway.

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by larry on Aug 9, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you still proofing the broadway theorem?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was referring to Broadway's value.

"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT

by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 9, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can't keep track of kdub's 'hustlin''

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fields, Lillibridge, and Buttermits - straight up.

"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT

by Black Sox Baseball on Aug 9, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kenny Williams is adamant he incur the wrath of every baseball blogger

Must have been disappointed at how the negative spin wasn’t harsh enough for the Peavy trade.

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 9, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

needs to get zito then. the cover is already there for this one.
Add all of that up and Rios, who is right in the middle of his prime, is projected to be worth 31.5 runs above replacement. A three-win player like Rios on the free agent market would command somewhere between $12-$15 million per year in the short-term. Did I mention that Rios is making an average of $11.7 million over the next 5 years, and the Blue Jays hold a 2015 option for $13.5 million? In other words, Alex Rios is a bargain. The Blue Jays shouldn’t be looking to dump his salary on the waiver wire. They should be looking to build around this guy for the duration of his valuable contract.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/why-should-i-care-about-alex-rios/

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by larry on Aug 9, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

120 million combined to Rios and Peavy

He’ll trade for Alomar 19 more times before the season ends too. Kenny is a joke.

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 9, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm joking

The Rios move is fine by me. I don’t have the same enthusiasm for prospects as others do.

The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 9, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by larry on Aug 9, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FREE JORDAN DANKS

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 9, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if the prospects are great what's it matter?

We can move them for something else. The main goal is to acquire as much talent as possible. If they play the same position you can always make a trade.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 9, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO, Sox will have to give up

something of decent value + take entire salary to make this happen.

Somebody will ante up in the off season.

But what about F-I-E-L-D-E-R-S?

by ballyb on Aug 9, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Conteras

It’s time for Kenny to realize this guy is done. You never know what your going to get. Erratic as heck, 2 starts great, 2 starts very poor, next start he might fizz out after 4. At best he is .500 pitcher, with a definite lean to a below .500 pitcher. I think the guy is a head case and with the language barrier he also doesn’t seem smart enough to overcome, it’s time to admit…..HE DONE, and this trial is OVA….R

by mikec40181984 on Aug 9, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

Sox win, cubs lose.....what a wonderful world!

by picktoclick on Aug 9, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

shocker

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Aug 9, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what we call making an impact

with the first comment

that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma

by furby2056 on Aug 9, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

was mike40181983 taken?

I really doubt Ozzie and Contreras have a language barrier.
Also, the count is our v.p. of Cuban player personnel. We dont have Alexei if Jose doesnt go talk to K-dub. We might not have Viciedo either, even though he was much more expensive and is unproven. Chapman has a different agent but if Contreras can get him on the Sox I say give Jose a 5 year extension.

The president was drinking Bud Light, Biden was drinking Buckler (a nonalcoholic beer), Gates was drinking Samuel Adams Light and Crowley was drinking Blue Moon.

by e-gus on Aug 9, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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