Brushing Up On Jeff Manship
From Manship to Masset
Prior to the '08 season, Kevin Goldstein ranked Jeff Manship 3rd in the Twins solid-at-the-time system and had this to say:
Manship’s control surpasses anyone's in the system, and that’s saying quite a bit. His fastball has good enough (90-91 mph) velocity because of its sink and location, and his curveball is a true plus pitch, with both offerings generating plenty of ground balls when contact is made at all. He works very efficiently and quickly, and pitches with a fearlessness that borders on arrogance.
An 14th round pick out of college, he was getting all that he could out of his limited upside. Fast forward to the '09 Twins list, and it turns out it wasn't enough. He struggled in the upper levels and dropped to 11th in the system. And instead of a potential mid-rotation starter, KG spoke of him as a back-end type:
Manship is a strike-thrower who uses his 89-91 mph sinker to generate ground balls and set up his plus curveball, which he'll throw at any point in the count. He's aggressive within the strike zone, and brings an intensity to the mound that scouts love.
A right handed pitcher who merely touches 91 mph needs either pinpoint control or a variety of offerings. Manship appears to have neither and he projects poorly as a result. He's had success in the minors by limiting walks and home runs, but the latter will likely be the problem in his transition to the majors. Nick Blackburn comes to mind as a similar arm and he stopped the anemic White Sox offense anyway. But Manship is limited further still with a lesser fastball and, likely, lesser control. A curve will normally work to either handed batter, but his minor league K-rate doesn't back up KG's suggestion that it's a plus pitch. His change is less relevant against a Thome-less White Sox team, but Goldstein still listed it as needing development. Good command of a below average fastball and an average curve likely means future reliever. His upside is Nick Blackburn.
Blackburn, of course, and a myriad of other fairly untalented right handed pitchers have had their way with the White Sox this year. On the year, the Sox have managed a .250/.319/.404 (~.321 wOBA) mark against all righties faced and now they must soldier on without a Hall of Fame lefty. I'd like for this to go well and maybe even finish strong in September. Then again: draft pick! That is to say, what's good for the team may not be good for our eyeballs.
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anyone know how to fix the blockquotes?
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 1, 2009 4:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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Just use the right HTML. C’mon, it’s so easy!
"What do you mean?" he answered. "I love the Outfield!"
by madopal on Sep 1, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not any more complicated than that!
YA TURKEY!
we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip
by BoeJouma on Sep 1, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this guy is going to kill us.
sorry Chiburb I'm not 18.
by Jackkoho on Sep 1, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Our advance scouts are all over this guy, I predict 3 hits.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 1, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll take the under, with 1 infield hit by Getz
Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity
by OznCoop on Sep 1, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares
When does the Dodgers game start???
¡signature!
by billyok on Sep 1, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's been delayed
Thomer had to fly back to Chicago in search of his fielding glove
Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity
by OznCoop on Sep 1, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thought it said jeff manshit
that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma
by furby2056 on Sep 1, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Manship is neither a ship nor a man. Discuss.
Wait … it is a man. Forget it.
by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 1, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cry me a Rios.
And why is Q in the game if he’s insane and may need an offseason brain transplant from playing on the turf for a manager who only makes the team feel bad about themselves with his profanitized pressers?
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Sep 1, 2009 5:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
TAEG's return has inspired you
to do an effective, if truncated, daily recap.
We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.
by winningugly on Sep 1, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TAEG's return has inspired me
to start small fires using a lighter and my ass.
Today was a nice day to be out for a walk, look through the window of a restaurant at 2:30, and discover that the Sox started at noon.
by homesickalien on Sep 1, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.gif or it didn't happen.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 1, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have asked him to do it but I feel I don't know him anymore.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Sep 1, 2009 5:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I have not been the same since the Sox swept the Yankees.
by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 1, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah! Having held my nose and visited the RR,
I now get your reference. I understand.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Sep 1, 2009 5:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
At least you can feel.
I can’t.
We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.
by winningugly on Sep 1, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can feel ... my pants.
I have no idea what I mean by that.
by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 1, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All aboard the Manship!
I’d do a Google image search, but it’s probably not safe for work.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Sep 1, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this is the manship apparently. SFW

Please don't torture me the rest of the season for a better draft pick. Let it be a painless death.
by Jackkoho on Sep 1, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
surprisingly tame. disappointing.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 1, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defeat MANBEARPIG

"ALL THESE WORLDS/ ARE YOURS EXCEPT/ EUROPA/ ATTEMPT NO
LANDING THERE/ USE THEM TOGETHER/ USE THEM IN PEACE"
by thecip on Sep 1, 2009 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now warming up in the pen,Manship.
Yes. Hell yes. Mercy. Grab bench. - O.M.
by oahu420 on Sep 1, 2009 5:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He was always good at sports,Manship.
Yes. Hell yes. Mercy. Grab bench. - O.M.
by oahu420 on Sep 1, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
Yes. Hell yes. Mercy. Grab bench. - O.M.
by oahu420 on Sep 1, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i enjoyed this whole exchange.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Sep 1, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ham Nips is Manship spelled...
Well, not backwards. Or inside out.
But all the letters are there!
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Sep 1, 2009 5:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
visit the RR for more in that vein
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Sep 1, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only 1-4
in games where theres a “brushing up on (insert white sox worst dream here)” thread
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
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by Czheck on Sep 1, 2009 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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