South Side Sox: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: Guest Blogger: Juco All-American Answers Five Questions

Brushing Up On Jeff Manship

Jeff Manship went to Notre Dame.  Blegh.

by Paul Battaglia - AP

Jeff Manship went to Notre Dame. Blegh.

From Manship to Masset

Prior to the '08 season, Kevin Goldstein ranked Jeff Manship 3rd in the Twins solid-at-the-time system and had this to say:

Manship’s control surpasses anyone's in the system, and that’s saying quite a bit. His fastball has good enough (90-91 mph) velocity because of its sink and location, and his curveball is a true plus pitch, with both offerings generating plenty of ground balls when contact is made at all. He works very efficiently and quickly, and pitches with a fearlessness that borders on arrogance.

An 14th round pick out of college, he was getting all that he could out of his limited upside.  Fast forward to the '09 Twins list, and it turns out it wasn't enough.  He struggled in the upper levels and dropped to 11th in the system.  And instead of a potential mid-rotation starter, KG spoke of him as a back-end type:

Manship is a strike-thrower who uses his 89-91 mph sinker to generate ground balls and set up his plus curveball, which he'll throw at any point in the count. He's aggressive within the strike zone, and brings an intensity to the mound that scouts love.

A right handed pitcher who merely touches 91 mph needs either pinpoint control or a variety of offerings.  Manship appears to have neither and he projects poorly as a result.  He's had success in the minors by limiting walks and home runs, but the latter will likely be the problem in his transition to the majors.  Nick Blackburn comes to mind as a similar arm and he stopped the anemic White Sox offense anyway.  But Manship is limited further still with a lesser fastball and, likely, lesser control.  A curve will normally work to either handed batter, but his minor league K-rate doesn't back up KG's suggestion that it's a plus pitch.  His change is less relevant against a Thome-less White Sox team, but Goldstein still listed it as needing development.  Good command of a below average fastball and an average curve likely means future reliever.  His upside is Nick Blackburn.

Blackburn, of course, and a myriad of other fairly untalented right handed pitchers have had their way with the White Sox this year.  On the year, the Sox have managed a .250/.319/.404 (~.321 wOBA) mark against all righties faced and now they must soldier on without a Hall of Fame lefty.  I'd like for this to go well and maybe even finish strong in September.  Then again: draft pick!  That is to say, what's good for the team may not be good for our eyeballs.

0 recs  |  Comment 38 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

anyone know how to fix the blockquotes?

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 1, 2009 4:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sure...


Just use the right HTML. C’mon, it’s so easy!

"What do you mean?" he answered. "I love the Outfield!"

by madopal on Sep 1, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

its not any more complicated than that!

YA TURKEY!

we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip

by BoeJouma on Sep 1, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares

When does the Dodgers game start???

¡signature!

by billyok on Sep 1, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's been delayed

Thomer had to fly back to Chicago in search of his fielding glove

Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity

by OznCoop on Sep 1, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thought it said jeff manshit

that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma

by furby2056 on Sep 1, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cry me a Rios.

And why is Q in the game if he’s insane and may need an offseason brain transplant from playing on the turf for a manager who only makes the team feel bad about themselves with his profanitized pressers?

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 1, 2009 5:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

TAEG's return has inspired you

to do an effective, if truncated, daily recap.

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Sep 1, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TAEG's return has inspired me

to start small fires using a lighter and my ass.

Today was a nice day to be out for a walk, look through the window of a restaurant at 2:30, and discover that the Sox started at noon.

by homesickalien on Sep 1, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

.gif or it didn't happen.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 1, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd have asked him to do it but I feel I don't know him anymore.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 1, 2009 5:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Ah! Having held my nose and visited the RR,

I now get your reference. I understand.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 1, 2009 5:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

At least you can feel.

I can’t.

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Sep 1, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can feel ... my pants.

I have no idea what I mean by that.

by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 1, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thx.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 1, 2009 5:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

All aboard the Manship!

I’d do a Google image search, but it’s probably not safe for work.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Sep 1, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

this is the manship apparently. SFW

Please don't torture me the rest of the season for a better draft pick. Let it be a painless death.

by Jackkoho on Sep 1, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

surprisingly tame. disappointing.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 1, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defeat MANBEARPIG

"ALL THESE WORLDS/ ARE YOURS EXCEPT/ EUROPA/ ATTEMPT NO
LANDING THERE/ USE THEM TOGETHER/ USE THEM IN PEACE"

by thecip on Sep 1, 2009 5:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Now warming up in the pen,Manship.

Yes. Hell yes. Mercy. Grab bench. - O.M.

by oahu420 on Sep 1, 2009 5:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He was always good at sports,Manship.

Yes. Hell yes. Mercy. Grab bench. - O.M.

by oahu420 on Sep 1, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

Yes. Hell yes. Mercy. Grab bench. - O.M.

by oahu420 on Sep 1, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i enjoyed this whole exchange.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Sep 1, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ham Nips is Manship spelled...

Well, not backwards. Or inside out.
But all the letters are there!

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 1, 2009 5:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

visit the RR for more in that vein

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Sep 1, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

only 1-4

in games where theres a “brushing up on (insert white sox worst dream here)” thread

YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
www.reverbnation.com/czheckproductions

by Czheck on Sep 1, 2009 6:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

nailed it

we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip

by BoeJouma on Sep 1, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about Chicago White Sox.
Start posting about the White Sox »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Frank_thomas_small
Do The Right Thing
Georgia1_small
Beckham is not only good, but classy
Deadhorse_small
White Sox Minor League Update: I just want to say one word to you - just one word.... 'prospects'.
Stash1_small
Buerhle might wanna take a drive down Lake Shore Drive next slump

Recent FanPosts

Img_0161_small
This is probably old but whatevs, Twins get new uniforms
Small
Three way deal for Gonzalez?
Belle-thomas_small
Will we all be disappointed this offseason
Aroldis_chapman_small
A letter from a Cuban fan inside Cuba
Dead_horse_4_small
Why the nickname bacon sucks and why you should all stop using it.
Bear_down_small
Ozzie Joining FOX For World Series

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recent FanShots

Tim Lincecum Hearts WHIP, Tells Greinke To Pound FIP
ESPN - OTL: Field of Schemes?
Top Ten BR sponsorships
Zack Greinke hearts FIP
Beginning Wednesday, street light banners commemorating a series of special events in Chicago are going on the auction block for charity.

Some of the banners were shown off Tuesday, including those featuring Pres. Barack Obama both before and after his election.

A White Sox World Series Championship banner, signed by pitcher Mark Buehrle, is also being sold, as is a Blackhawks playoff banner signed by Denis Savard and Stan Mikita.

The bidding starts at 12 p.m. Wednesday at Daley Center. Money raised goes to help the Chicago Anti-hunger Federation and the Greater Chicago Food Depository.
John Danks is a MLB scout
Yankees' key to financial success
Buehrle wins Gold Glove
Dotel & Dye are Type A Free Agents
Jim's Off-Season Sox Schedule...

+ New FanShot All FanShots >

SPONSORS

South Side Sox on Facebook

Managing Editor

Thecheatsmoking_small The Cheat

Editors

Deadhorse_small larry

Sealab_murphy_small colintj

Scenemissingsss_small thecip

Dog_small homesickalien

Omar_small U-God

Authors

Headerrock_bigger_small shaftr

17258_0003_small The Actual El Guapo