Brushing Up On Dan Hudson
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 9:00 AM CDT
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Charts!
9/4:
Hooray brooksbaseball.net chart!
9/8:
The Fastball
Most impressive so far has been his fastball. The movement is nothing spectacular; the spectrum of rise over run for major league fastballs is from about 1/2 to 2. The smaller the ratio, the more groundballs expected. The higher, the more swing-misses expected. Hudson's is in the vicinity of 1, so it isn't doing anything special. The velocity is where it's at. Of the 40+ he's thrown in relief so far, just 2 appear to have been below 93 mph. I can't offhand find the article I'm looking for that addressed the velocity dip in moving from relief to a starting gig. Iirc, it was 1-2 mph. He's averaged 93-95, which still leaves him in the plus range when/if he moves into the rotation. The scouting reports larry's posted in the Sox minor league fanposts have been somewhat vague, though Baseball America and Jim mesh pretty well (paywall):
Hudson’s fastball ranged from 90-93 mph, mostly coming in at 91-92.
And:
Through the first three innings, Hudson’s fastball registered between 91-93 on the radar gun. Over the last four, he was around 89-90, with an occasional 91.
There was some speculation that he may have fatigued somewhat, so extrapolating what we know so far is still something of a guessing game. There's evidence that velocity increases up until age 29 for starting pitchers, so it's reasonable to project a plus fastball. Ideally, he'd sit 92-93 and be able to add a little in 2 strike counts. As Cheat noted last week his command of the pitch is good; true to form he's yet to walk a batter in his limited work. All told, he should be able to induce weak contact and ground balls early in the count against average or worse RHB. Finishing them off with the strikeout is another story.
The Offspeed
A typical right handed slider is somewhere between 5 and -5 inches in vertical movement and 0 to 5 horizontally. Hudson's slider is pretty weird. It's actually had some tail to it so far; I thought larry was joking about the screwball. Maybe not? I'm with Cheat on this one, though: it seems to be a marginal pitch and may help explain his flyball proclivities in the high minors and his MLB stint. Bad pitches are worth more runs. If they're worth more runs, they're being hit in the air (either as line drives or fly balls). Really, though, he's not capitalizing on the best pitch available to a righty facing an RHB. This sweet graph illustrates nicely (read the whole article):
Click to embiggen. Anyway, Hudson's pitch choice alone (far more changes than sliders), assuming he's being rational, is a serious indictment of his slider. Normally, fastball/slider combo alone is enough to get same-sided batters out. It just so happens that those two pitches have the largest splits, necessitating a third when at a platoon disadvantage. Hudson is atypical in this regard, though a plus change would certainly help offset the slider problem. Hudson is already very comfortable with his, obviously, and it passes the pfx sniff test. There is significantly more horizontal than vertical movement and the velocity disparity is sufficient. It's got fade and he doesn't seem to have problems disguising it.
Putting It All Together
Jim noted a lot of K's via the fastball when he saw him in AAA, something that's very unlikely to hold up in the majors. Something like 6% of fastballs end in whiffs, way less than half of all other pitches. So we should expect his K rate to decline at least somewhat. Additionally, he doesn't have a real out pitch to RHB -- he'll have smaller splits, but only because he's not dominating righties with a hard breaking ball. Still, he should have enough velocity to get by and he's better prepared for opposite handed hitters than most young right handed starters. Kevin Goldstein tagged him with a 3-starter ceiling. That looks about right to me.
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Most impressive, thanks.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Sep 11, 2009 9:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2+2
seems like his ability to improve the slider will define his career.
by Hatchetm on Sep 11, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the most boring September in recent memory, across the board
by Carbiner on Sep 11, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
Too much drivel. Let’s see an analysis of th UM-ND game instead Colin.
GO BLUE!
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by ChicagoPete on Sep 11, 2009 10:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
ND's been recruiting talent at least on par with M
and is a year older everywhere.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
Their O line has been together 3 yrs now
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by ChicagoPete on Sep 11, 2009 10:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
if M wins handily, it will be a serious indictment of their coaching staff
ND should win. i’d probably bet ND -3 (current line) if i had the money.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'll see oh ye of little faith
I’m coming to AA tonite meeting my homies at Old Town Tavern. If you’re there I’ll buy you a beer.
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by ChicagoPete on Sep 11, 2009 10:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
you get tix?
and i’m just trying to be rational. when you getting in?
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, ticket in hand is alwys nice
One of my college buddies has 4 season tix, I’ve got a standing offer to sit with him whenever I’m in for a game.
I’ll prolly get to town around 7 or so. Tradition dictates that we meet at the Old Town then play poker afterwards til the wee hours. Game days are painful, especially the late kickoffs.
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by ChicagoPete on Sep 11, 2009 10:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
NOW who's creepy? (He does have great hair.)
And of course you’d have to buy the beer. It’s colin.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sehst jetz?
Dauernt mit das selberer Scheisse am jeder Post. Langweilich und Frech.
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by ChicagoPete on Sep 11, 2009 11:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Danke.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wirklich?
Reden uber langweilig… Ich glaube es selbstverstandlich ist, dass beides am schlechtesten sein. Geh Gators!
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Sep 11, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right. the gators are pretty geh.
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by thatshortkid on Sep 11, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
real mature
I think I can tell when someone’s thuper jealous. Domer?
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Sep 11, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, just picking the low hanging fruit.
i’m a maroon. we ain’t D1. UAA’s our beeyatch.
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by thatshortkid on Sep 11, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how quaint!
white sox, white sox uber alles
by Moral Narcissist on Sep 11, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the kind of burn
that takes me back to HS
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
awww yeeeaahhh
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by thatshortkid on Sep 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
their = ND's
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So do something exciting.
Ask not what SSS can do for you…
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do you assume my comment was directed at you?
me me me
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by ChicagoPete on Sep 11, 2009 10:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't? At least not if it aligns appropriately...
by Carbiner on Sep 11, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mobile replies are tricky
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by ChicagoPete on Sep 11, 2009 10:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
got a little thing for WU, dontcha
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by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
er geht an meiner Nerven
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by ChicagoPete on Sep 11, 2009 10:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
gibt's kein Grund dafuer.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats debatable
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by ChicagoPete on Sep 11, 2009 10:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Nein.
Sie sind verrukt.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
er kann Deutsch so vielleicht die Beiden ein Verbindung daruber machen koenten?
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ja das tut mir aber Leid
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by ChicagoPete on Sep 11, 2009 11:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
personally, i think you two are actually one person.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pete is angrier and lashes out much faster.
But he is more travelled, for sure. And his Deutsch ist besser.
But, on the whole, I am a happier human being, I surmise.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's consult your 6 exes on that one
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by ChicagoPete on Sep 11, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New worth, pecker size, Michigan football season prospects.
Always numbers twice as much as reality with you. At least you are consistent.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
finkel, einhorn, etc.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
number 1 was also a runner
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by ChicagoPete on Sep 11, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay maggots, get out of the the passing lane - I'm hitting the road
You still have the hippie hair? Maybe I’ll see you in Valhalla. GO BLUE!
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by ChicagoPete on Sep 11, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a man, baby! Yeah!
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by tailgater on Sep 11, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
internal testicles...oh my
I cant imagine the operation
Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity
by OznCoop on Sep 11, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could "troll" but most people wouldn't get it
I’ll think of something… someday! Brain activity is rough. The real way to (tennis) success is through heart and compassion and visualizing what you’re doing the next day while sleeping.
by Carbiner on Sep 11, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought the way to tennis success
was being a hot russian chick
how much for the Tyler Flowers rookie card?
by Nordhagen on Sep 11, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well for most that's a different kind of success
Being absurdly muscular compared to your counterparts because you actually work out and consider that a part of being an athlete (as opposed to being “graceful”) is how you succeed, unless you’re actually good. (Just Henin)
by Carbiner on Sep 11, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
commie
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by thatshortkid on Sep 11, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Join us in denial land, it's fun here
6 games out!! we’re in this thing!
¡signature!
by billyok on Sep 11, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It ain't over til Thome leads us to victory in 163!!!
aw crap….
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by homesickalien on Sep 11, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dye's stats opened my eyes this a.m...
…just playing w/ my fantasy line-up but I didn’t realize that Dye has gone 29-for-166 (.175) since the All-Star break and his last multi-hit game came on Aug. 17. What don’t we know? Is he healthy? Whatever is going on is killing his free-agency-to-be.
Meanwhile, making the trek to the Big A to see our heroes this weekend.
by RoyEgan on Sep 11, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm in RF tonight, LF corner tomorrow, 400 level sunday
no lackey, no weaver, no whammies
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by thatshortkid on Sep 11, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're fucked.
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by Chiburb on Sep 11, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LA is our beeyatch.
We will tank against the Central, just like the rest of the year.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he wasn't healthy he wouldn't be out there
We have plenty of other options.
by Grinder in Training on Sep 11, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone See This B.S. Article?
Gordon Edes
1__Andrew Bailey__ Athletics__RP__Untouchable since back-to-back losses in July
2__Jeff Niemann__Rays__SP__The "other Rays rookie" steals Price’s thunder
3__Elvis Andrus__Rangers__SS__Young and restless, but handled pressure
Jeff Passan
1__Elvis Andrus__Rangers__SS__Spectacular glove, steady offense for full season
2__Andrew Bailey__Athletics__RP__Could just as well argue for stalwart closer
3__Nolan Reimold__Orioles__OF__Better power numbers than Beckham (IN HOW MANY MORE AB’S?! AND they have the same Slug %)
Tim Brown
1__Elvis Andrus__Rangers__SS__And most of it before he turned 21.
2__Jeff Niemann__Rays__SP__Along with Davis, made Kazmir expendable.
3__Gordon Beckham__White Sox__3B__Tailed off, but still batted .329 with RISP.
Steve Henson
1__Elvis Andrus__Rangers__SS__Solid at premium position on surprising team.
2__Jeff Niemann__Rays__SP__Better than Detroit’s more touted Porcello.
3__Andrew Bailey__Athletics__RP__Closer on nowhere team can’t be ROY.
by PaulieK14 on Sep 11, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
these guys should get out of their moms' crawl spaces and watch a baseball game.
by larry on Sep 11, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 out of 4 Neimanns?
huh.
Asked about his thoughts on the weekend, White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen said simply, "Well, we came to New York and visited the new Yankee Stadium. It is a very nice ballpark. We also stayed at a very nice hotel. That's all I can really say about these past three days."
by e-gus on Sep 11, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks awfully good.
Actually is the “ace” of the staff this year.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya see there, lar.
If they had him up when they should have……no later than early May…then he wins ROY. i don’t really give a shit….just sayin.’
by dantesox on Sep 11, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice work, colin. Thanks.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shift-C!
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by thatshortkid on Sep 11, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hudson and flowers on BA's MiLB season hot sheet
No. 13 DAN HUDSON, RHP
WHITE SOX
Dan HudsonTeam: low Class A Kannapolis (South Atlantic) / high Class A Winston-Salem (Carolina) / Double-A Birmingham (Southern) / Triple-A Charlotte (International)
Age: 22
Why He’s Here: 14-5, 2.32, 147 1/3 IP, 105 H, 5 HR, 34 BB, 166 SO
The Scoop: A fifth-round pick in ‘08 out of Old Dominion, Hudson made an impressive debut last year in the Rookie-level Pioneer League, going 5-4, 3.36 with 90 strikeouts over 70 innings. Still, nobody expected him to blaze his way through four minor league levels this season, finishing the year in Chicago’s bullpen.
Hudson met nearly every player in the White Sox organization this year. He started the season with Kannapolis, where he pitched 22 innings before being promoted to Winston-Salem, where he pitched 45 innings. Hudson spent the most time in Birmingham, getting nine starts and 56 innings. He pitched 24 more innings with Charlotte before being promoted to the big leagues. So far, Hudson has pitched in 16 different cities this season. But despite his gaudy strikeout total, Hudson’s total is not the most by a White Sox pitcher in recent memory. During his second tour of duty with Chicago, Gio Gonzalez fanned 185 batters in ’07.
No. 20 TYLER FLOWERS, C
WHITE SOX
Tyler FlowersTeam: Double-A Birmingham (Southern) / Triple-A Charlotte (International)
Age: 23
Why He’s Here: .297/.423/.516 (105-for-353), 15 HR, 28 2B, 2 3B, 56 RBIs, 67 R, 67 BB, 108 SO, 3-for-3 SB
The Scoop: As the centerpiece of the trade that sent Javier Vazquez to Atlanta last December, Flowers has done nothing but impress since joining the Good Guys. Flowers started the year with Birmingham and hit .302/.445/.548 over 248 at-bats before a promotion to Charlotte. With the Knights, Flowers hit .286/.364/.438 over 105 at-bats and the performance earned him a callup to the big leagues when rosters expanded.
Flowers’ production shouldn’t come as a surprise, as he’s put up a good line each year as a pro. His on-base percentage was .373 and .378 his first two seasons and then jumped to .427 last year and .423 this year, and his slugging percentage has steadily improved each year as a pro, from .465 in 2006 with Rookie-level Danville to .516 this year.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2009/268861.html
by larry on Sep 11, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
can we do a turn back the clock day
and give back quentin for carter?
by Hatchetm on Sep 11, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blasphemy!
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
by tailgater on Sep 11, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't have made the playoffs last year.
ssh would still be posting here. HSA would still be a lesbian. john mccain would be president. meteors would have destroyed most of the earth. the butterfly effect is powerful.
by larry on Sep 11, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh, the good ol' days.
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by homesickalien on Sep 11, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tigers swept by KC
Hah! Welcome to our nightmare, bitches!
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by tailgater on Sep 11, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I respect numbers and all
but when it comes down to it its heart,skill,and luck. there are so many things that happen in baseball that you cant predict or graph with fangraphs. is there a stat for how many times a pitcher comes back from a 3-2 count. a stat for how many games where lost because of linebrink and pena?
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by Czheck on Sep 11, 2009 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
wuh?
Asked about his thoughts on the weekend, White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen said simply, "Well, we came to New York and visited the new Yankee Stadium. It is a very nice ballpark. We also stayed at a very nice hotel. That's all I can really say about these past three days."
by e-gus on Sep 11, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is dumb.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first off, i think you mean 3-0 count
second, yes. for starters, there’s an L count for each pitcher.
and i didn’t even take stats!
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by thatshortkid on Sep 11, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha
scott cameron linebrink…….
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by thatshortkid on Sep 11, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you respect numbers so much, post your SSN
;)
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Will this do instead?
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by Chiburb on Sep 11, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that.
But, really, what things happen in baseball (or anywhere) that can’t be graphed?
how much for the Tyler Flowers rookie card?
by Nordhagen on Sep 11, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreeing with you the heart part especsully. a lot of luck and skills comes from the heart
not just the talented part makes you contribute good to the teams sucess. i ve have often said that too semsheads here but they don’t listen. good post recomendded.
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by Chiburb on Sep 11, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put down the thunderblunt...... :)
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by homesickalien on Sep 11, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
stats are for losers
"Oh well back to work"
by Tdogg on Sep 11, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loosers.
Speaking of which – PP???
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Im a little confused on what you are claiming victory on.
Statistically Contreras outpitched Penny and Smoltz with their respective “Sox”
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by Tdogg on Sep 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First, Colon was part of the deal.
Second, who limited it to what teams they started with?
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He really wasn't but even if was of course
it was what team they pitched for. That was the WHOLE point of the argument. I didn’t argue against Smoltz fattening up against NL teams buster.
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by Tdogg on Sep 11, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MILESTONE ALERT
tdogg passes 4,000 comments.
well put me firmly in the camp that 07 had a lot more to do with him being mentally f’d up. Jose was pretty damn valuable last year before his problems. I think the key is giving him time during the season and making sure he’s not pitching if there are questions about his health. He clearly isn’t one of those guys that can struggle thru it.
But I’d bet you a pot pie he out does your boy Penny and Smoltz.
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by Tdogg on Sep 11, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your honor
This is Exhibit A
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by Tdogg on Sep 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Your boy Penny and Smoltz".
Um, those are two boys. Keep reading. It was the white, $5MM guys against the Hispanic, $12MM and $1MM guys.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No dice chief
This is probably a funny thing to say, but I like the fact that Contreras has a rested arm. Granted, it’s rested because the guy was hurt, but nevertheless, he didn’t throw 200+ innings last year. Maybe that fastball will have a little more pop to start the season.
by palehose67 on Mar 12, 2009 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a rested arm, too. Doesn’t mean it’s worth a tinker’s damn. He’s been on the decline for awhile. The question is, was it because of injury or the natural graceful aging process?
the post wasn’t for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 12, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well put me firmly in the camp that 07 had a lot more to do with him being mentally f’d up. Jose was pretty damn valuable last year before his problems. I think the key is giving him time during the season and making sure he’s not pitching if there are questions about his health. He clearly isn’t one of those guys that can struggle thru it.
But I’d bet you a pot pie he out does your boy Penny and Smoltz.
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" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Mar 12, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take that bet re: Smoltz/Count Deathmatch Count was rounding into shape when he was injured. His performance for the first 2 months, IIRC, sucked. He started improving for a few starts and then disappointed us all. He was injured the previous year (back issues?) and just might be on the downside.
Smoltz (not so much Penny) I think is a good bet. Penny hasn’t been the same since Alyssa Milano dumped him.
the post wasn’t for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 12, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was lights-out in May. He had a bad June and start of July, then went on the DL with elbow tendonitis, and that seemed to be the issue because he returned with better velocity.
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by Sox Machine on Mar 12, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm 4/1-6/1
11 starts
5-3
74 IP 60 H
2.89 era
http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/ComparePitchers.py?StartDate=042F012F2008&EndDate=062F012F2008&GameType=all&PlayedFor=4&PlayedVs=0&Park=0&SortField=Balks&SortDir=desc&MinPA=0&MinDEC=0&MinG=0&MinGS=0&MinCG=0&MinGF=0&MinW=0&MinL=0&MinSV=0&MinSHO=0&MinH=0&MinR=0&MinER=0&MinHR=0&MinBB=0&MinK=0&MinHP=0&MinBK=0&MinWP=0
“It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division.”
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Mar 12, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Jim said. So, let’s see: Back issues in 2007, elbow and Achilles in 2008. Older now (about 50 in US years). We’ll see. Is the bet on?
the post wasn’t for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 12, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pot Pie bet 2009 Its on!
“It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division.”
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Mar 12, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Oh well back to work"
by Tdogg on Sep 11, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops that was rather large.
"Oh well back to work"
by Tdogg on Sep 11, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe this was the statement uttered by her.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Sep 11, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The signatures make that nearly impossible to decipher.
Today was a nice day to be out for a walk, look through the window of a restaurant at 2:30, and discover that the Sox started at noon.
by homesickalien on Sep 11, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know.
But Colon is no where in that exchange. Maybe we enjoy mutual pot pies.
"Oh well back to work"
by Tdogg on Sep 11, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please provide links to quoted comments.
by larry on Sep 11, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C+C is an implied "pair". From Tdogg's own hand:
C * C factory- Pot Pie odds? 50/50. Maybe wishful thinking. Colon has settled back to look like the 4 or 5 expected, but the end maybe near (still a good deal though). There is a reason KW is looking for pitching. Contreras pitched his way to triple A where he is trying to get it together. He pitches in the double header this week. At some point Contreras may give the White Sox 1 good run before taking his 10 million contract away for ever.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/6/1/894599/just-when-i-thought-i-was-out-they
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my goodness
Talk about stretches. I approved of the Colon deal. What has that got to do with anything?
Clearly I implied he would get Jake Peavy because I said he was looking for pitching
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by Tdogg on Sep 11, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weak.
I’ll defer to our (biased/prejudiced) arb guy.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
You said Count and Colon (and don’t give me any 2:1 crap – Colon was always part of it) would be more valuable to have on a team than Smoltz and Penny. Use your WAR as a measuring stick if you like – but their salaries are paid for the whole season.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I object!
“You said Count and Colon (and don’t give me any 2:1 crap – Colon was always part of it) would be more valuable to have on a team than Smoltz and Penny”
Please reference………
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by Tdogg on Sep 11, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might also add that since you forced Colon into the bet
I did accept unofficially. I think you wanted me to have a 2nd person. But it was never a cumulative thing. It was
always about whether the White Sox should spend 10 million+ extra on pitchers with question marks. I was fine
with throwing the pudgy one a mill. The bet came after I said Contreras would outpitch either Penny or Smoltz.
Somewhere along the lines it evolved.
"Oh well back to work"
by Tdogg on Sep 11, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interim decision.
the bet is contreras and colon versus smoltz and penny. i see nothing in this exchange regarding carve-outs for trades or anything else. the “risk” of a player moving to the NL, injury, ineffectiveness etc. is assumed. i will render the final decision upon the completion of the regular season. at that point i will take evidence and argument on the method for calculating the winner.
by larry on Sep 12, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm willing to arbitrate this dispute
for a piece of the pie.
by larry on Sep 11, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm agreeable,
since I was going to suggest a neutral party.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not certain you're qualified.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm certain your opinion is irrelevant.
by larry on Sep 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
unlikely
i am the internets
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pot pie for everyone!
except you, internets.
Asked about his thoughts on the weekend, White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen said simply, "Well, we came to New York and visited the new Yankee Stadium. It is a very nice ballpark. We also stayed at a very nice hotel. That's all I can really say about these past three days."
by e-gus on Sep 11, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I respect 4, 24, 67 and 4,146.
All other numbers are worthy only of scorn.
by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 11, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe there is a FanPost in this.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
e, i, π or nothin'
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by thatshortkid on Sep 11, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i isn't a number
Not real-ly anyway.
by Carbiner on Sep 11, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my numerical system is complex
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by thatshortkid on Sep 11, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite number is William Shatner.
by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 11, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite shatner number is best enjoyed with a hot girl and a cool martini
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by thatshortkid on Sep 11, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, and rec'd.
Bad Shatner = Classic Shatner.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh...the dreaded 9:05 start tonight
Good thing it’s Friday so I can stay up past my OPOS bedtime.
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
by tailgater on Sep 11, 2009 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
PDT FTW
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by thatshortkid on Sep 11, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
woot.
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by homesickalien on Sep 11, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hate the "woot", love the 9:05 start times
Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity
by OznCoop on Sep 11, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that you continue to tell us how much you hate "woot" only further inspires its use.
At least outta me….
wootwoot! (woot train, coming through!)
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by homesickalien on Sep 11, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you wearing depends like wu?
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 11, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely...less trips to the john.
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by tailgater on Sep 11, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, nice..
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 11, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any?
I’m usually good like the lunatic NASA astronaut – about 2 days straight.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes I'll swap out a fresh one during the 7th inning stretch
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by tailgater on Sep 11, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thought is his ceiling
is higher than that of a #3 starter . . . I think that is selling him short.
Would you please put some pants on? I feel weird having to ask you twice.
by jc2313 on Sep 11, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
based on?
i’m willing to listen and it’s not like 4 1/3 IP is a whole lot.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nfl baby!
excited? I know I know.
"Oh well back to work"
by Tdogg on Sep 11, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
reply fail?
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought his ceiling was a 3/4
at the beginning of this season . . . and then we all know what he did in the minors this year. I believe his slider/knuckle gyro is better than we have seen in his short ML stint.
If he puts it all together, he will have 3 plus pitches which would make him a 1/2 in my book . . . I think he likely becomes a 3/4, but ceiling wise, I think he is higher than a 3.
Would you please put some pants on? I feel weird having to ask you twice.
by jc2313 on Sep 11, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
alrigh, who's old enough to remember
HUdson3-2700?
by Hatchetm on Sep 11, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WU and BallyB
They’ve told me it was for a rug company back in their day.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Sep 11, 2009 3:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Another one they said is Mohawk 4-4100
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Sep 11, 2009 3:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Mohawk 4-4100, CET for television!
My favorite commercials were Moo & Oink.
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by tailgater on Sep 11, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Quarter Meter Plan": original pay per view.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
by Chiburb on Sep 11, 2009 3:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wake up, you're going to sleep through the early bird special you OPOS
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 11, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lovely, isn't it, but is it real?
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by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wont be around for tonights game and probably not for tomorrows game
im going on a drunken binge starting at 6pm tonight and ending sometime tomorrow when my liver decides to punch me in the dick. Iowa State vs Iowa. Cyclones are at home, and are going to pound the fuck out of the hawks.
sooo heres hoping for 2 wins while im belligerent.
But if you self-loathing- sad-bastard-fuckhammers see that as "appropriate", well, then… I suggest you go fuck yourself while nick swisher looks on, completely unfucked. - SkanchoDanza
by BoeJouma on Sep 11, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sounds like one heck of a great time, I second that notion on the Hawks.
Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity
by OznCoop on Sep 11, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you really think state is gonna win?
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
by U-God on Sep 11, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one wins in Iowa
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 11, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pods7, beckham 5, aj2, pk3, ram6, jd9, q dh, rios8, nix4. Floyd pitching.
by larry on Sep 11, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with Getz?
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
by tailgater on Sep 11, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where the hell is Getz???
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He... I don't know... and I wish KW would get rid of Nix
Ozzie has too many toys and needs quit playing with them
One catch (and 1 hit) does not make you a major league player... or does it?
by Brush Back on Sep 11, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's hoping Alex Rivers starts to play his way out of his malaise
how much for the Tyler Flowers rookie card?
by Nordhagen on Sep 11, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about 1 for 4 as a start?
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
by tailgater on Sep 11, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just murdered the freecreditreport.com guy
there is blood everywhere
Praise Him!!
by Hawk is God on Sep 11, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's not as annoying as the "Kars for Kids" radio ads
(In an annoying kid voice):
1 877 Kars for Kids
1 877 Kars for Kids
1 877 Kars for Kids
Donate yer car today!
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
by tailgater on Sep 11, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you haven't lived until you've found out that your mattress is FREEEEEEEE
or how some dude is constantly being killed by some other dude named larry
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by thatshortkid on Sep 11, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That movie is fantastic.
But I am still digging Philip Seymour Hoffman in “Charlie Wilson’s War”. I was laughing hysterically at 3 this morning.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the most you ever lost on a coin toss?
by Carbiner on Sep 11, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
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by winningugly on Sep 11, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, it's some pretty damn good kool-aid.
Come on, no Coen brothers? We know you don’t like Tarrantino — who do you like who is working right now? PT Anderson? Wes Anderson? Brian Anderson?
I should mention, if your answer includes the words “Ridley Scott”, I will be forced to pretend to strangle this imaginary kitten.
(pretends to hold up imaginary kitten).
by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 11, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tarantino's hit and miss, Coen's are pretty solid throughout
Though No Country is quite a bit better than the others.
by Carbiner on Sep 11, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know about that.
The Big Lebowski is the clear cut #1.
Fargo
O Brother Where Art Thou
Raising Arizona
Barton Fink
all arguably as good or better than ‘No Country’
Asked about his thoughts on the weekend, White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen said simply, "Well, we came to New York and visited the new Yankee Stadium. It is a very nice ballpark. We also stayed at a very nice hotel. That's all I can really say about these past three days."
by e-gus on Sep 11, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lebowski is good but its sort of a dichotomous argument
Others aren’t all that close other than Fargo. Anton Chigurh is a perfect character. The worst thing you can say about No Country is it’s too similar to the book, so technically most of the praise could be diverted to Cormack, but the camera work and atmosphere are magnificent. I have never seen so simple a thing as a quiet night on a city block actually portrayed in an immersive way without some stupid music clouding it up.
by Carbiner on Sep 11, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
burn after reading, however,
sucked.
hey rios, you need to cinch it up, hunker down, bow your neck, bristle up, and be any kind of hitter. you're making me look like an idiot.
by BuehrleMan on Sep 11, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot. Inherent in the title.
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by winningugly on Sep 13, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Bay, fa sho fa sho.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 11, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes more of a Michael Bay guy.
Asked about his thoughts on the weekend, White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen said simply, "Well, we came to New York and visited the new Yankee Stadium. It is a very nice ballpark. We also stayed at a very nice hotel. That's all I can really say about these past three days."
by e-gus on Sep 11, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder why he wouldn't respond to this.....
Today was a nice day to be out for a walk, look through the window of a restaurant at 2:30, and discover that the Sox started at noon.
by homesickalien on Sep 14, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
explain the coen hate?
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 11, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Embiggen?
Is that a perfectly cromulent word?
Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.
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