Disappointing White Sox Prospects of 2009
The progression of a minor league player is rarely an uninterrupted straight line to the majors. Instead, players plateau at some level along the way. Even those few who make the majors usually experience a plateau or even a regression along their way. This week, I'm looking at some players who were either on some top ten lists prior to this season or hyped as possible risers but, instead, had seasons in which they plateaued or regressed. Note that while some of these guys probably have maxed out their talent, it's likely that at least one of those mentioned will recover in 2010 and continue onwards and upwards.
John Shelby: Treybone made just about all the top ten lists before this season. A usual criticism was that he needed to develop more patience. He did that, bringing his BB rate up to 10.3% while also cutting the strikeouts a bit. However, he stopped getting hits and saw his power drop. It's possible that this was simply a matter of bad luck - his BABIP was .276, well below his career average (and league average). Of course, it may also be that AA pitching is too much for him. The speed is still impressive (30 for 39 in SBs) and the potential positional versatility is a plus - however, you have to hit some to make the majors. And more flyballs in Birmingham is not the way to do it.
Jon Link: The lack of a September call-up for this member of the 40-man roster is telling. I previewed Link before the season and pointed out that while he strikes out a good amount, he also walks a good amount. Literally, nothing changed this season at Charlotte from last season at Birmingham as he had identical 2.44 K/BB ratios. While the 10.5 K/9 is sexy, you just can't walk that many guys and expect to be successful in the majors. The scouting reports remain encouraging but, at some point, you have to match with performance.
Jon Gilmore: This Jon has been a whole lot of projection without a whole lot of substance. A piece in the Vazquez trade, scouts gush about his athleticism. The evolution to a baseball player, however, hasn't happened. He did have a very encouraging finish to the season in August and September and a recent scouting report still raves about the potential. But .274/.322/.361 overall in Kannapolis isn't much about which to write home. At 21 - and probably returning to low A for part of a third season - he'll need to produce next season to avoid the bust label.
Steven Upchurch: An overslot signing out of the 12th round in 2008, Upchurch had a solid pro debut at Bristol last season: 30.1 IP, 23 H, 10 BB, 28 K. After being assigned a return engagement there, he seemed to expect a promotion to Kannapolis in short order. That never came because the 19 year old had a terrible season: 66 IP, 94 H, 17 BB, 42 K. There's nothing to suggest injury but he certainly became very hittable. As he turns 20 today, he's got plenty of time to correct whatever the problems may be.
Brian Omogrosso: He had the talent, he could just never stay healthy. He put together a pretty good season for Birmingham and earned a promotion to Charlotte. After four ineffective relief outings, he hit the disabled list and we later learned he had a torn labrum. It's probably a career-ender, especially considering his injury history and age.
Gregory Infante: This is for you, rdf8585, who chided me in my season preview for not including Infante. He started well enough for Kannapolis. However, after a midseason promotion to the Dash, he started walking people and stopped striking them out. Then he hit the DL twice, reportedly with some blister issues - though one suspects there may be something else going on. He'll be 23 next season so I guess I can consider him for my 2010 preview.
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Just curious
Would Brandon Allen have made the list if he was still with the Sox?
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"give the guy more than six days to get up to speed."
by larry on Sep 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT
by Scotty Ballgame on Sep 14, 2009 7:49 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I thought his power numbers were down during his second go around
with the Barons. I guess I am disappointed with what we got in return for our supposed firstbasemen of the future.
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"give the guy more than six days to get up to speed."
by larry on Sep 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT
by Scotty Ballgame on Sep 14, 2009 10:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
there was little to quibble with regarding his minor league numbers this year, either with the white sox or diamondbacks.
he would be the #3 prospect in our system.
by larry on Sep 14, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even with the awfully slow start?
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
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by Sox Machine on Sep 14, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Christ....Carter has the potential to bite us in the ass too.
Kenny is overdue for some of these deals to not look so overwhelmingly in our favor. “Law of averages.”
by dantesox on Sep 14, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eventually, sure.
you pay a premium for players who can contribute now. that said, Carter is really going to have to hit, as he’s a 1B/DH for sure. Just to be league average, he’s going to have to OPS in the .870+ range.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 14, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Find me a GM who doesn't eventually even out in the "good and bad" deals
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 14, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
steve phillips.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 14, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I meant good GMs
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 14, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
presumably the good ones don't even out.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
by colintj on Sep 14, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, the correct answer is
“Ken ‘The Hawk’ Harrelson”. “Ken ‘The Hawk’ Harrelson.”
We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.
by winningugly on Sep 14, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is true
I suppose if I could it would have been 3/4 rec to Colin, 1/4 to OM, the combo made me laugh
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by jeeves on Sep 15, 2009 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could be on the list now.
As we’re disappointed he isn’t still here.
by Grinder in Training on Sep 14, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Alex Rios should be on this list.
We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.
by winningugly on Sep 14, 2009 8:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this isn't the appropriate thread...
but they have to fire Walker….just have to. Whether it’s his fault or not. Too many under-performing key people. Dye and Rios are especially sickening. It’s time for a change. Maybe Walker can be successful somewhere else. It’s a shame, ‘cause when I’ve had an opportunity to listen to him at Soxfest’s, he is knowledgeable, sincere, hard-working. Great guy. But he has to go.
by dantesox on Sep 14, 2009 9:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If it's not his fault, why would he go?
If he’s a knowledgable, sincere hardworking great guy maybe he isn’t the problem. Making a change to just make a change is stupid.
Just a guess, but all these guys working with Walker played the game, Ozzie, Cora, Kenny, etc.. I think they would have a good idea if Walker know’s what he is doing.
by Grinder in Training on Sep 14, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the players have tuned him out
Maybe Walk has identified and tried to fix Rios but for whatever reason Rios isn’t listening. Easier to fire the hitting coach than all these players. Might not be right but it is the way it is
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"give the guy more than six days to get up to speed."
by larry on Sep 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT
by Scotty Ballgame on Sep 14, 2009 10:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously it's not the way it is.
And if it isn’t right then I see no reason to do it. Like I said, Ozzie and the rest of these guys played at the major league level. I imagine it’d be pretty obvious to former players if the guys were tuning Walker out.
by Grinder in Training on Sep 14, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a different set of eyes on our hitters.
Every year, we go through periods when the whole team is in a slump. Konerko, Dye, Quentin, Ramirez have all struggled for months at a time. No more excuses, it’s time for him to coach 3rd base or wash Jerry’s car if they want to keep him. I’m tired of hearing how hard and how long these coaches work. They must be getting paid by the hour, not by results. We don’t run the bases well, we don’t bunt well, we don’t advance runners, we don’t hit cut-off men, we don’t even know how many fucking outs there are.
Getz came up and couldn’t hit a lick. He was standing on top of the plate and was getting hammered inside for 2 months. Then he worked with Hriniak for a few hours and has hit much better since he made an adjustment. Where was Walker? Why is Rios so fucked up? Why can’t Ramirez bunt? Quentin has changed his stance and now he sucks too.
Keeping a knowledgable, sincere, hardworking great guy who isn’t getting the job done is ‘more stupider.’
by mick10 on Sep 14, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good concept for post larry
way to get every last drop out of your minor league pet project.
next I’d like to see best white sox minor league baseball names.
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by e-gus on Sep 14, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gilmore's been disappointing, yes
but he won’t see Kanny next year. He’ll start at W-S…
The average line in the Sally was .254/.324/.368, essentially exactly what Gilmore posted. And yes, he turned 21 late last month — his age 20 season — take a look at Brandon Allen’s age 20 season in Kanny (otherwise know as the year I wrote him off, woops)
Gilmore’s still raw and not particularly exciting. But he’s still top 10 in the Sox system, though admittedly I haven’t even thought about piecing together a list. I’d still place him ahead of everyone else listed here.
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by The Cheat on Sep 14, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
saying someone is top ten in the sox system means little.
the depth is absolutely atrocious. after the rather obvious top five, you could name any of about 15 guys (maybe more) to fill out the top ten and i probably wouldn’t argue much over them.
by larry on Sep 14, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to list him as disappointing when he still retains real prospect status however
a 20 year old holding his own at low-A is hardly what I consider disappointing. Do I wish he had shown more? Sure, but now we’ve got a baseline for performance; areas where we can see him improve.
It’s so hard to put any stock into the rookie league numbers, so I guess anything better than falling completely on his face wasn’t a disappointment for me… Next year, however, that’s a different story
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by The Cheat on Sep 14, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no. it's not hard. i just did it.
simply because someone retains real prospect status does not mean they can’t disappoint, particularly based upon the criteria i set out. at least half the guys i mention retain it.
by larry on Sep 14, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much.
There seemed to have been a general overreaction that our system was miraculously better overnight because of a handful of sexy players. The fact remains there is a long way to go.
by dantesox on Sep 14, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And when I say that, I'm thinking of guys like Hawk and Phil Rogers....
Phil was on Chicago Tribune Live the other night talking about the great White Sox minor league system.
by dantesox on Sep 14, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget, we landed one of the best pitchers in baseball with prospects this year.
Plus we have 2 starters this year in our lineup from our farm system that have been producing quite well for their rookie year. Our system may only be middle of the road right now but it’s a helluva lot better than it’s been in a long time.
by mick10 on Sep 14, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not middle of the road.
for a brief period earlier this year, it was a helluva lot better than it had been in a long time. i don’t think that’s the case anymore.
by larry on Sep 14, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not, but we now have Peavy and a good 3rd baseman.
Plus we have a better emphasis on scouting as well as player development. Our farm system is headed in the right direction.
by mick10 on Sep 14, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, then it's probably easier to just say it's not middle of the road in the first instance.
by larry on Sep 14, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we should not promote anyone to the majors.
Or use any players as chips to improve the big league club. Then we would have a great minor league system.
I would say our system is middle of the road. Much better than just a few years ago.
by mick10 on Sep 14, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as i stated above, the depth is absolutely atrocious. and the top prospects are not elite level.
i don’t know how much you follow other minor league systems, but it’s not really a close argument that the white sox are not middle of the road.
by larry on Sep 14, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how long you've been following our own,
but it’s not a close argument that the White Sox system is much improved. I’m not going to get into a pissing contest over the definition of ‘middle of the road.’
by mick10 on Sep 14, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
middle of the road implies average
the system got a little better, but is nowhere close to being average when compared to the rest of baseball
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by U-God on Sep 14, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless "middle of the road" includes the bottom five teams or so, this isn't a pissing contest. you're just wrong.
and, yes, it has improved. no one is debating that.
by larry on Sep 14, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does improved have to do with it?
You suggested they are middle of the road. They aren’t. They are just better than they were. When you start out terrible, improving doesn’t automatically make you average or close to it.
by Grinder in Training on Sep 14, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omogrosso
Hey Larry, where did the confirmation on Omogrosso’s injury come from?
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by The Big Hurt on Sep 14, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
rick hahn said they were pretty sure it was his labrum.
not sure if he’s had surgery yet, so i suppose i don’t have confirmation that it was indeed torn.
by larry on Sep 14, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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