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Josh Fields WAR150 By Age

This is Josh Fields' minor league translated WAR150.  His performance from his '04-'08 minor league seasons have been extrapolated out to 150 games, with defense eyeballed using his MLB UZR and minor league Total Zone ratings (which can be found on minor league splits).   His age 26 season is what he actually did in the MLB this year, more or less.

This is really just an excuse to point out Dan Szymborski's recently released minor league translations that go back 30 years.  They are very cool.  As larry noted, some prospects simply reach their ceiling early and fall by the wayside.  Knowing what we know now, Fields' probably ought to have been traded following '07.  It was far less clear at the time, obviously.  Just for kicks, here's Mike Cameron.

 

Again, the final season is actual major league performance.  I actually just plugged in +5 fielding runs above average, but really there's a good chance he was much better.  UZR only goes back to '02, his age 29 season.  Fielding skill peaks from 24-28 or so, and it may be younger in the OF where it's almost all about how fast your legs can carry you.  From '02 to '09, he's averaged 4 WAR per season, the level of play he established in his age 23 and 24 seasons.  Nothing against Paulie, but I'm pretty sure the Sox lost that trade.  I was all of 12 when it was made, so maybe there's something I'm missing.

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Nothing against Paulie, but I'm pretty sure the Sox lost that trade.

Well, maybe in hindsight. But if I’m not mistaken, Konerko was Sickel’s # 4 or #5 minor league prospect in ‘98 and hat a "can’t miss" tag on him. After a very small sample size with LAD and CIN (425 AB over 3 years?) and a disappointing ’98 by Cameron, Konerko seemed a huge uptick. Especially for a power position in this ballpark.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 14, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Konerko was quite a prospect.. I can’t blame anyone for making that trade.

by Grinder in Training on Sep 14, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rios brutal?

just sayin’.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 14, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Walker will transform Rios this offseason

it will be the greatest reclamation project since Oprah went from the slums of Mississippi to the most powerful human being on the face of the earth.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Sep 14, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

i recall it being worse.

obviously cameron was younger and less experienced but it goes to show that decisions shouldn’t necessarily be made upon one season.

by larry on Sep 14, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if accurate future performace could be extrapolated from that season

you’d have to be Kreskin. Just shows how much of a crapshoot young prospects are.

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Sep 14, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was going to be my point.

Stats have come a long way in the past 11 years.

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by winningugly on Sep 14, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

isn't it more that they've come that far

as far as the public is concerned? baseball’s been big money for a while now.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 14, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Public, or GM's?

Theo Epstein was, like, 20 years old back then. Name a GM who was big into Bill James in 1998. Steroids were big in 1998.

And you are still 12, emotionally.

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by winningugly on Sep 14, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Billy Beane

"And when I called him, and asked him to stand up for me, I know I shocked the shit out of him" - Michael Jordan, on choosing David Thompson as his Hall of Fame sponsor.

by e-gus on Sep 14, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i suppose it's possible since it's only 30 teams

that there was Billy Beane and no one else. but i doubt it, at least somewhat. we already know the media by and large sucks and they’re the ones responsible for the reporting. that gave michael lewis a scoop, but he was also obviously playing a heroes vs. villains game rather than really getting the full details.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 14, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't ever get near my dog larry...

…some of these horse photos are starting to look like they are from your personal collection.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Sep 14, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look, you think larry likes Haitian-manfactured baseballs?

He likes making them in the good ol’ USA.

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by winningugly on Sep 14, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tiny but deadly

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Sep 14, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BA brutal.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 14, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tonto?

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by winningugly on Sep 14, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Needs more Tate Forcier.

Because everything needs more Tate Forcier.

by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 14, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

w00t!

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 14, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OSU?

obviously a good team, albeit undercoached. you read this?

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 14, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not bad.

OSU doesn’t seem to be as “overwhelmingly” good it is usually when compared to the rest of the Big 10. Fortunately the Pac 10 is atrocious so I don’t have to feel so bad about USC being better than our conference.

by Carbiner on Sep 14, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they've got a veritable shit ton of great athletes

and athletes matter more than x’s and o’s. it’s PSU, OSU and everyone else.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 14, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have some faith in Michigan!

I won’t root for MSU to beat them if it ruins their season, that’s typically how the Big 10 functions though, murders itself in the rankings and beats the vast majority of out of conference games (excluding OSU vs USC).

by Carbiner on Sep 14, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

athletes matter more than x's and o's

ron zook would like a word with you

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Sep 15, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

welcome back!

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Sep 15, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

was out in europe after the bar and have been busy with life related things since… still checked in once in a while to see how the team was doing.

is this your last year down in C-U? I miss it already.

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Sep 15, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if all goes right

i have another 4 after this one. it’s been real nice down here temp wise

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Sep 15, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

[Name Redacted] ftw!

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 15, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good read

saw that linked on orson’s site… his numbered observations from the osu sc game was outstanding

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Sep 15, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

also: i love a good

SPARTY NO! moment

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 14, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Loser Smith

I think we got to 9th in the rankings under that cunt once, then didn’t even make a bowl game.

by Carbiner on Sep 14, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're a State fan?

that’s no good.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 14, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard not to be when you're born/grow up in Lansing, then attend the University.

Only reason I’m a Packers fan is because my mother is from the Western Upper Peninsula, which is 100 miles from Green Bay and 500+ miles from Detroit. Otherwise I’d have to root for the Lions and the Spartans. At least we have a good basketball team.

by Carbiner on Sep 14, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you should exchange "type" for "2"

so it’s like his age. still funny though.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 14, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have any idea how hard that would be for me? Do I look like thecip?

:)

Today was a nice day to be out for a walk, look through the window of a restaurant at 2:30, and discover that the Sox started at noon.

by homesickalien on Sep 14, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

VG

"ALL THESE WORLDS/ ARE YOURS EXCEPT/ EUROPA/ ATTEMPT NO
LANDING THERE/ USE THEM TOGETHER/ USE THEM IN PEACE"

by thecip on Sep 14, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, my outstanding MS Paint skills strike again. haha

Today was a nice day to be out for a walk, look through the window of a restaurant at 2:30, and discover that the Sox started at noon.

by homesickalien on Sep 14, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering why nobody had mentioned it here today. I just imagined everyone was too busy weeping in their hands to type.

Today was a nice day to be out for a walk, look through the window of a restaurant at 2:30, and discover that the Sox started at noon.

by homesickalien on Sep 14, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a baseball site, last I looked.

www.windycitygridiron.com is where I’d refer you for football talk.

Oh, and FJC.

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Sep 14, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Which is why I didn't bring it up, ya moron. (I actually did go to windycitygridiron earlier today, for the first time ever).

Not like we keep this site to baseball-exclusive discussions anyway.
If someone had scored a goal on some futbol team, I’d have to read about it…so what the hell.

PS – I dislike football a little more each and every year I’m alive.
/ducks

Today was a nice day to be out for a walk, look through the window of a restaurant at 2:30, and discover that the Sox started at noon.

by homesickalien on Sep 14, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im starting to like football less as well

although Im pretty far away from not watching it all together, its just less important and trending downward much like a Josh Fields graph.

I had a slight uptick with the Cutler acquisition but that game was brutal, if I want to be figuratively kicked in the nuts I’ll stick to my White Sox baseball, thank you very much.

Mannelly, what the fuck were you thinking?

"And when I called him, and asked him to stand up for me, I know I shocked the shit out of him" - Michael Jordan, on choosing David Thompson as his Hall of Fame sponsor.

by e-gus on Sep 14, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used to watch every Bears game and follow closely. I played and finished pretty well with my fantasy teams too....

But I’ve always kinda hated the ‘culture’ of it and the players in general.
And then the fact that it symbolizes the end of baseball season also kills me.

For the past 2.5 years, I have happily been in the ocean on Sundays, out of service and uncaring what is happening on any gridiron in the country.

White Sox Baseball: Kicking you in the nuts so hard, you spend the entire off-season still catching your breath.

I’m with ya.

Today was a nice day to be out for a walk, look through the window of a restaurant at 2:30, and discover that the Sox started at noon.

by homesickalien on Sep 14, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i come to this site for good cheer and find a josh fields chart?

what kind of torture porn crap is this

¡signature!

by billyok on Sep 14, 2009 4:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

gERMAN sCAT.

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by winningugly on Sep 14, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you would prefer another player?

a quality player? then name the player!

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 14, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone see that they replayed the Okla. St. - OU game from 2001 on CSN over the weekend?

OSU beat then #4 OU at Oklahoma. Fields QB’d OSU. The term “won in spite of” came to mind several times as I watched.

by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 14, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe this posts marks the Sox' official beginning of the off-season.

ONLY TWO THANGS COME FROM OKLAHOMA, SON!

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Sep 14, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fields Ks about 1 in every 3 at-bats and he has more Ks than walks and hits combined in his career

by EArcella19 on Sep 15, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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