A theory of how the Sox might focus on their offseason this year

by SSpale_hose1 on Sep 21, 2009 10:08 PM CDT Comment 59 comments

Even though this year isn't mathematically over, after tonight's game it's safe to say that it's time to start talking offseason. I've been focusing my attention to that very exact thing for the past week, trying to figure out which path the Sox will take for next season. I came up with a theory that will still keep me interested in the season and possibly might factor in the decision making for what they plan on doing in certain situations.

I was checking the standing yesterday, just looking at the division and wild card races, and then I checked the overall standing just to see where the Sox were at for the whole major leagues and noticed that they were in 18th place meaning they have the 13th pick in the draft. Now I'm not saying that we should just lose as many games as possibly for the rest of the year so we can get a better draft pick, the draft is just to far away for me to care, but I am focusing on where the Sox will end up in the overall standings.

If we have a top 15 pick in the draft next year, this offseason I feel we will have a better chance of getting the possible free agents people have been discussing (ie. Figgins, Abreu). If you don't know what I'm getting at yet, it's compensation picks and how they work. If we have a top 15 pick, the Sox can not lose our pick if they decide to go out and sign a Type A free agent. So if you want guys like Figgins or Abreu or even a good reliever(the top ones usually our Type A; Dotel probably will be one) makes our chances of landing one maybe two more of a possibility.

I just think Kenny would be a little more hesitant to sign a guy big money and lose a mid-round pick at the same time, considering the way Kenny has been determined to try and rebuild this farm system. Not saying he still wouldn't go out and get a guy if he really wanted them but I think he could take losing a 2nd round pick, especially since were probably going to get one for Dye, who I feel has made the decision a lot easier the way he's played second half of the season.

Just a theory I thought could come into play for maybe a decision or two and these loses might not sting as bad.

Is this idea going to effect if Kenny's guy will be here next year?

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by Off the bus running on Sep 21, 2009 10:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Finally, someone has explained the free agent compensation process in layman's terms.

Thank You, and welcome!

there's nothing like being rubbed ----by pierzynskirules

by mick10 on Sep 21, 2009 10:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Lets get the offseason rolling

nice post adam…. now lets get a few good FA’s

by mp11932 on Sep 21, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

adam?

what the fuck is going on here?

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Sep 21, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

in the beginning, el guapo created adam and mp11932

they wuz his 1st characters.

"And when I called him, and asked him to stand up for me, I know I shocked the shit out of him" - Michael Jordan, on choosing David Thompson as his Hall of Fame sponsor.

by e-gus on Sep 22, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ladies and gentlemen,

you’ve just been RIGHT RAIL’D!

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Sep 21, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

also, i'd like to tip my cap to your sentence structure.

it’s been a pleasure to read and re-read your statements.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Sep 21, 2009 10:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

interesting thoughts on the effect of where the pick falls

but how do you see Dye bringing a pick?
Payroll level will of course be a big factor for acquisitions. According to Cot’s, Sox payroll this year was around 96M. I wonder where they will end up going into next year if ticket sales are weak.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/

by metasox on Sep 21, 2009 11:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Dye just moved down to type B and Dotel just became type A

so we’ll get a supplement pick for Dye before the second round.

latest rankings:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19940032/Rankings-091909

by SSpale_hose1 on Sep 22, 2009 12:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You are aware that the Sox

would actually have to offer Dye arbitration and Dye would have to turn that down . . . and that the odds of either of those happening are about the same as the Sox making the playoffs this year.

The reason I have no respect for these players, especially Thome is this…any player you can put a shift on is useless.

by jc2313 on Sep 22, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So.... you're saying there's a chance.

by homesickalien on Sep 22, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I understand that

The Dye situation to me is, thanks for everything but its time to go, so whatever they do with him whether they offer him arbitration think that he will not accept it then they will get a pick or not even offer is fine.

by SSpale_hose1 on Sep 22, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was following along fine, until here.

there's nothing like being rubbed ----by pierzynskirules

by mick10 on Sep 22, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd think she'd rub you the wrong way.

(your sig)

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 22, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think that any rub is good rubbin

and so I took what I could get mm mm ooh ooh
She looked at me with those big brown eyes
And said…
you ain’t seen nuthin yet

there's nothing like being rubbed ----by pierzynskirules

by mick10 on Sep 22, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OPOS.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 22, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Basically...what I'm trying to get to on the Dye situation is

if we go out and get a big free agent like Figgins were going to lose a second round and supplement most likely, with Dye being a Type B we should get a 2nd round that is of course we offer him arbitration. NOW the only thing I’m dont understand is the Sox will most likely decline his option, how does arbitration work with a declined option? Can we offer Dye a lower amount that he’ll just look elsewhere and decline. If someone knows how an option guy works let me know, is it just the same thing?

by SSpale_hose1 on Sep 22, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think I should of left the Dye part out

i was just trying to show possibly options

by SSpale_hose1 on Sep 22, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Arbitration works the same

way as it does for anyone else once the option is declined. Hence the Sox will not be getting picks for him or Dotel as neither will be offered arbitration for obvious reasons.

The reason I have no respect for these players, especially Thome is this…any player you can put a shift on is useless.

by jc2313 on Sep 22, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sounds good

I was thinking it worked a little different when it came to option guys, but i really wasn’t writing this for Dye’s situation, kind of threw them in this to say the Sox could get picks back for the pick we would lose for signing a guy like Figgins. I wrote it more on the basis of there being a better possibility of getting a big free agent because we won’t be giving up a good first round pick. Just looking at how they might approach things.

by SSpale_hose1 on Sep 22, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why exactly wouldn't he accept it?

by Grinder in Training on Sep 22, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought my picture summed this post up well

but apparently someone is not a fan of pulp fiction

The reason I have no respect for these players, especially Thome is this…any player you can put a shift on is useless.

by jc2313 on Sep 22, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No subject line - it was cloaked by the powers that be. Post it again!

by homesickalien on Sep 22, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ahhh, damn! My fault

Dont post pictures too often and forgot about that.

The reason I have no respect for these players, especially Thome is this…any player you can put a shift on is useless.

by jc2313 on Sep 22, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And a greenie, too.

Just repost it with a subject line.

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Sep 22, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, it was green. We enjoyed it...

by homesickalien on Sep 23, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for clarifying that in a redundant fashion

13 hours later. Or as larry says, you the man.

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Sep 23, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, it was closer to 14 hours later. And you're welcome.

"Rios flied out to a fan, that's new." - billy

by homesickalien on Sep 23, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

which is why simply hiding things without telling people why is sort of pointless.

by larry on Sep 22, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

agreed. which is why I usually make a point of mentioning it but didn't here because HSA had 11 minutes earlier.

Also, I thought the OP got to see cloaked messages.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 22, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no. they don't. it's just gone for them. and all the messages replying to it, as well.

by larry on Sep 22, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Not always. Roy could see my cloak & post and respond.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/9/19/1037988/peavy-puts-white-sox-back-in-al#comments

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 22, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

because he hadn't refreshed the page.

by larry on Sep 22, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

free agent market

if this does happen and its looking like were gonna have a top 15 pick, i think we should go after figgins, im not the biggest fan but looking at the market, he does resolve 3 things: leadoff man, a third baseman(move beckham at 2nd), and improved defense. A 3 yr deal 24-27 mil a season.

by SSpale_hose1 on Sep 22, 2009 12:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

WHAT THE FUCK DOES FIGGINS HAVE TO DO WITH DRAFT POSITION?

orly?
kthnxbye.

"And when I called him, and asked him to stand up for me, I know I shocked the shit out of him" - Michael Jordan, on choosing David Thompson as his Hall of Fame sponsor.

by e-gus on Sep 22, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

move beckham at 2nd

is that you with the big hurt or what?

"And when I called him, and asked him to stand up for me, I know I shocked the shit out of him" - Michael Jordan, on choosing David Thompson as his Hall of Fame sponsor.

by e-gus on Sep 22, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Looks like Albert Bell

Look yonder, fellow SSSers. 2010 looms bright!
And fns. -wu

by oahu420 on Sep 22, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wish i was in that picture with them

TO 2nd, you got the point

by SSpale_hose1 on Sep 22, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you want to pay chone figgins 24-27 million a season?

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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Sep 22, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my bad, 3 years 8 to 9 million a year

i think thats around what hes gonna get, maybe a little more

by SSpale_hose1 on Sep 22, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you had me at "we should just lose as many games as possibly"

"And when I called him, and asked him to stand up for me, I know I shocked the shit out of him" - Michael Jordan, on choosing David Thompson as his Hall of Fame sponsor.

by e-gus on Sep 22, 2009 12:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

figgins has nothin to do with draft position

its just hes goin to be a type A guy so if were in the top 15 picks we wont lose our 1st round pick, so i was just sayin might be more likely for them to go after him more.

by SSpale_hose1 on Sep 22, 2009 12:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

reply

FIAL.

"And when I called him, and asked him to stand up for me, I know I shocked the shit out of him" - Michael Jordan, on choosing David Thompson as his Hall of Fame sponsor.

by e-gus on Sep 22, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

HAHA you spelled FAIL wrong HAHAHA you lose HAHA its not FIAL, its FAIL

clearly

lets go dodgers

by BoeJouma on Sep 22, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not going to be hard for them to lose games the way there playin

i dont want them to lose, but its might be benefical, tryin to look at it positively

by SSpale_hose1 on Sep 22, 2009 1:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

no, it will not be hard for them to lose games the way they're playing, Adam.

except they play Detroit 6 times, who are playing even worse than the Sox.

Danks is going to win tomorrow in my 2nd to last game of the year, so theres that as well.

"And when I called him, and asked him to stand up for me, I know I shocked the shit out of him" - Michael Jordan, on choosing David Thompson as his Hall of Fame sponsor.

by e-gus on Sep 22, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

K ill give u Danks win

but with the run support he gets nothings for sure. And why does playing the tigers 6 times mean anything now, besides helping the twins, if we beat them

by SSpale_hose1 on Sep 22, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs