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Daniel Hudson Is Gonna Be Good

Not since Gordon Beckham's Girl-Approved Hair has a White Sox rookie shown such promise in his initial trial while failing to fill up the box score. Daniel Hudson may have taken the loss Monday. He might have continued the Curse of #54 with a routine throwing error to first base. But he showed a great deal of potential, room for growth, and most importantly, demonstrated an advanced feel for how to pitch.

Hudson allowed 3 runs in his outing, 2 of them unearned on a passed ball and the aforementioned throwing error. The third run was also in the self-inflicted category, but it's here where I was actually encouraged by his approach. He walked 3 batters sandwiched around a single to plate a run in the second. But he was ahead of each batter in he walked -- heck, he was ahead of everyone all night. He attacked the zone -- and lost them when he got a bit too fine with his 2-strike pitches. That was my main takeaway from this game. Hudson knows how to throw quality strikes, on the corners, in all counts. 

He got himself into a bit of trouble in that 2nd with the walks, but it seemed to me that the pitches Hudson threw in the 2-strike counts were pitches that would have most-likely led to outs in the minors. He was trying to make the hitters chase out of the zone after he got ahead in the count, and the Twins weren't biting when they had men on base. He'll have to make a small adjustment when/if all teams take a similar approach, but it seems to me that he's got the command to make that adjustment fairly swiftly.

As for his repertoire, we saw the addition of a curveball tonight. And although he generally grabbed strikes with the pitch (including one backwards K) it was anything but inspiring. He has to throw it from a little bit higher arm slot than his usual slingy, 3/4ths delivery in order to stay on top of it. This makes it very easy to pick up simply by watching his motion. That being said, Hudson's other offerings allow for plenty of projection.

Hudson's slider isn't quite there yet either. I called it more of a back-up slider in his first couple relief outings, the type of pitch that can go a LONG way if he puts it in the wrong spot. When you think about a guy coming from a lower arm slot, you think of him having a sweeping breaking ball... which brings me to Jake Peavy. I was very impressed with Peavy's slider this weekend, and given his similar slingy arm-action, he might be able to get together with Hudson to work on a better motion from that slider. Hawk also brought up a good point about Hudson being able to add a cutter, which Peavy also throws... You see where I'm going here.

Hudson's changeup looks great on TV, but hasn't produced the swing-and-misses you'd expect as a surprising number of hitters have laid off of changes that start at the very bottom of the zone and drop out of the zone. I'd almost be willing to say he needs to get his changeup up a bit.

Think about that, we're talking about a rookie White Sox pitcher who might need to get his changeup up a bit, and whose control is so good he's probably not even used to throwing actual strikes in 2-strike counts. That's the pitching equivalent of waiting for Gordon Beckham to start pulling the ball. When Hudson finds that third pitch, when he figures out where to put that change in a 2-strike count, he's gonna be good.

That's not an if either, it's when.

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I'm with you on that he might need to get his changeup up a bit...

It’s got great downward movement, but if it’s at the ankles or in the dirt every time hitters will lay off it. He’ll have to have it dive around the kneecaps and shins (easier said than done) for it to be a really effective out-pitch.

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by UribeAuction on Sep 21, 2009 11:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Looks like it has even better horizontal movement

His change averaged over 10 inches of break away from lefties tonight, a couple at one foot or more. Good for neutralizing LHB-heavy lineups like the Twins tonight

by 3E8 on Sep 21, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

one thing I noticed tonight...

probably just my imagination… but with his consistency at the bottom of the zone and missing down… he didn’t get the high strike called in his favor. It seemed that he threw almost all of his pitches at the knees or below, and when he went up in the zone, he either broke a bat, or got a check swing ball called on him. Hopefully some of those borderline high pitches will be called for strikes.

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Sep 21, 2009 11:20 PM CDT reply actions  

You're not imagining things about him missing down

It’s not hard to figure out why he gave up so few HR in the minors when you see him work the bottom of the zone and below

by The Cheat on Sep 21, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hudson looked good tonight

It doesn’t seem like he has an out pitch yet, though. AJ seemed to be calling on the fastball more often than not with two strikes. This kid has real potential though, nice post.

by chisox2691 on Sep 21, 2009 11:22 PM CDT reply actions  

play "spot the curve" !

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 21, 2009 11:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Not when he only throws one pitch from a different release point.

Should be easy to fix though.

there's nothing like being rubbed ----by pierzynskirules

by mick10 on Sep 22, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine...

If the Sox were able to produce 2 major league talents each year each draft?

GASP

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by Marlafar on Sep 22, 2009 12:04 AM CDT reply actions  

So, does KW trade a starting pitcher for a bat?

Honestly, I think the current rotation with Garcia and Hudson at 5 and 6 is ideal. And I’d be happy to see Hudson start in the pen next season since the Sox appear to have 1 good reliever.

That being said. The offense is awful and I don’t think Q and Rios being resurgent is enough to fix it. The Sox desperately need to add a quality bat. The two things they could be considered to have a surplus of are a SP and a SS. I think one if not both of those is going to go in a trade…

by hitlesswonder on Sep 22, 2009 12:13 AM CDT reply actions  

With a GB pitcher like this kid

perhaps we could get a few gloves in the infield, also. I wouldn’t mind having the 2005-like defense, SP, and 2-3 consistent relievers and win all our games 4-3.

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by winningugly on Sep 22, 2009 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

i would also like some moar defense plz

what is beltre looking to get on the market? seems like a safe bet that he’s leaving seattle. Pecota projects him around 800 OPS for the next few years which wouldn’t be terrible considering the glove. probably just wishful thinking, if there is a 3b target KW has in the crosshairs, its gotta be chone.

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Sep 22, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

thank you for the optimism.

just getting home after attending these last two games i need it. i thought he looked good as well. that “triple” by cabrera was in the air an awful long time and i thought it would be caught. possibly some combination of jd being too deep and/or too slow. also, i thought he had punto struck out on the 2-2 pitch before eventually walking him and then span.
lots of boos for jd after his dribbler to the mound. sad.

the suck is not just a river in ireland.

by BuehrleMan on Sep 22, 2009 2:02 AM CDT reply actions  

also, it was apparently "oktoberfest" at the ball yard

so i’m gonna go ahead and blame the germans.

the suck is not just a river in ireland.

by BuehrleMan on Sep 22, 2009 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I saw the hats with the feather in it

and I assumed it was Scotty Pods Appreciation Day

read better.

"give the guy more than six days to get up to speed."

by larry on Sep 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT

by Scotty Ballgame on Sep 22, 2009 6:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Rec

Screw you, monkeyboy, Imma goin Home!

by DrEmilioLizardo on Sep 22, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you were to get into the spirit of oktoberfest

You would have blamed the Jews instead

read better.

"give the guy more than six days to get up to speed."

by larry on Sep 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT

by Scotty Ballgame on Sep 22, 2009 6:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

What are the chances the Sox take another chance on JD next year?

at this point I don’t think I would. I fear this is much more than a prolonged slump. Sad.

Green and Gold / Black, and White

by OznCoop on Sep 22, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK as DH

but how often does a player sign with the same team after having his option declined? does the players union even “allow” this?

by Hatchetm on Sep 22, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

DH - Makes sense given this years production

"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"

by Brush Back on Sep 22, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think he was being sarcastic

i don’t think he’s done. unless he’s got cancer or ALS or something. cheap is his greatest potential.

by Hatchetm on Sep 22, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

last three years: .825 OPS.

i know i’m in the minority here about wanting to see an “offense” that “scores runs” instead of running around like headless chickens and bunting and stuff. maybe the sox should sign a guy who hits the ball a lot and gets on base. sounds sort of like the job description for “designated hitter.” but call me crazy for not wanting to sign someone who provides less production from the spot than this anemic offense had this year.

by larry on Sep 22, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

hey, i'm all for it

but i have low expectations. i’m eagerly anticipating KW’s annual “can’t spend what we don’t have” speech. you know how it goes.

by Hatchetm on Sep 22, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Awfully serious

read better.

"give the guy more than six days to get up to speed."

by larry on Sep 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT

by Scotty Ballgame on Sep 22, 2009 9:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd really like to see a team assembled where Quentin is our DH

 while improving our outfield defense. Replacing Dye and Quentin in the outfield pretty much assures that.

there's nothing like being rubbed ----by pierzynskirules

by mick10 on Sep 22, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure Q would be a good DH

considering how nuts they all say he is w/his hitting shenanigans. I think the outfield lets his mind relax a bit so he’s not so wound up. Who knows.

by Shakey on Sep 22, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed that post

from a purely baseball perspective.

by stuartscottslefteye on Sep 22, 2009 3:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Doesnt being a DH require hitting for an entire season?

Aside from that, how do people feel about from a purely baseball perspective?

read better.

"give the guy more than six days to get up to speed."

by larry on Sep 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT

by Scotty Ballgame on Sep 22, 2009 9:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

It happens.

They just are signed like a normal free agent once the option is declined. Did we do this with Uribe?

by Grinder in Training on Sep 22, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes we did.

I believe it was a savings of 500k

The Boogeyman cometh

by omnipotent grab on Sep 22, 2009 10:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

OK

we’re talking about dye going from like $12MM to $2MM. A little bit different.

by Hatchetm on Sep 22, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes the amount of $ involved is different.

But we still did the same transaction. So clearly the union does “allow” this, which is what you asked.

by Grinder in Training on Sep 22, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

note the quotes

which imply its not a hardfast rule, but rather an encouragement.

by Hatchetm on Sep 22, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

sounds similar to Wall St. policy

read better.

"give the guy more than six days to get up to speed."

by larry on Sep 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT

by Scotty Ballgame on Sep 22, 2009 10:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

concur

i would imagine they don’t want this sort of thing happening before the free agent signing period is up and going.

by Hatchetm on Sep 22, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

as per Cot's
# 1 year/$4.5M (2008)

    * re-signed by White Sox 11/8/07
    * award bonuses: $0.1M each for MVP, WS MVP; $75,000 for LCS MVP; $50,000 for TSN All Star; $25,000 for Gold Glove, All Star; $15,000 each for Silver Slugger, All Star selection

# 3 years/$9.75M (2005-07), plus 2008 club option

    * signed extension with White Sox 12/04

    * 05:$2.15M, 06:$3.15M, 07:$4.15M, 08:$5M club option ($0.3M buyout)

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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Sep 22, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

ha.

they saved 200K after the buyout!

by Hatchetm on Sep 22, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

hee.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 22, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Surprised he could even type

considering he was fondling Hudson the whole time.

by Shakey on Sep 22, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very Nice Writeup

I missed the game, so I’m glad I could come on here and get a real recap of how Hudson look.

by BNeL21 on Sep 22, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Scutaro done for season with ouchy hee.
Scutaro, 33, has been bothered by heel pain since late July. Monday’s MRI revealed a tear in his plantar fascia, a band of thick tissue in the foot.
"As soon as I feel good, I’m going to play," Scutaro said. "If it feels good, I just want to play. I just like playing. I don’t like sitting around here and watching the games on TV. I hate that."

Take it from Q, Marco….go get some nice off-season rest.

by homesickalien on Sep 22, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

ouchy hee

+1

what happens to SSS during the offseason?

by Jackkoho on Sep 22, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

dude just needs to stretch

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Sep 22, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

boy did that game suck

but i brought my son and he had a good time so i wasn’t as disgusted as usual. Shawn is now 0-3 for his career with 2 shutouts! I may not bring him ever again. However, Mark Salas went out of his way after the game to flip us a ball which really made his night. He was very proud walking out with the ball after the game. Thanks Salas!

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 22, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions  

taking the blindfold off would be child abuse at this point.

"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote

by SkanchoDanza on Sep 22, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did you go to Munster yet?

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 22, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, unfortunately, I'm probably not going to get there. Too many things tapping into the entertainment time/budget right now. (Sox,Wedding,Bears,HumanitiesFest,ToddSnider)

Have you seen the Terry Gilliam “Lost in LaMancha” documentary? I rec’ it, if you haven’t.

"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote

by SkanchoDanza on Sep 22, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

If it were my son I would have made him watch

I would have given him the blindfold only if he got straight As. We have gotten soft in giving out punishment

read better.

"give the guy more than six days to get up to speed."

by larry on Sep 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT

by Scotty Ballgame on Sep 22, 2009 10:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

unstoppable force, meet immovable object.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Sep 22, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

does larry keep whats left of his mom in his briefcase?

"And when I called him, and asked him to stand up for me, I know I shocked the shit out of him" - Michael Jordan, on choosing David Thompson as his Hall of Fame sponsor.

by e-gus on Sep 22, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was at the game with my brother

It was fun if one didnt follow it from purely baseball perspective. Anyways once Ozzie started emptying out the bullpen, my brother tells me if Linebrink comes in we are leaving. Probably the one and only time I was hoping Linebrink would pitch the 8th or 9th

read better.

"give the guy more than six days to get up to speed."

by larry on Sep 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT

by Scotty Ballgame on Sep 22, 2009 11:00 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't get why everyone in the non-Chicago Sports media expects Gets to hit 320 and steal 75 bases
Had Williams relied less on ancient pitchers like Contreras, had Quentin not gone down with a foot injury, had Peavy not been hit with a comebacker in the minors, and had some younger Sox like Brian Anderson and Chris Getz done more, the team would probably, at worst, be in a tight race for the division flag. As is, though, the team has stayed semi-respectable while achieving a makeover on the fly.

I’m pretty sure Chris Getz (aside from getting injured and missing time) has met expectations, if not surpassing them. It really seems like the Sox offense is better when Getz is in the lineup.

Maybe Tim Marchman would consider Gordon Beckham a bust since he has a lower batting average than Getz.

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Sep 22, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was only one of the many irritating parts of that article.

This was another; on Rios:

Assuming the Sox can get him straightened out (perhaps profane Guillen tirades will help), he’ll probably be a slightly above-average player, worth what he’s being paid but no more.

by homesickalien on Sep 22, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing. As long as he's in CF.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 22, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not exactly a response but expanding on the "many irritating parts" of the article

it’s being written for a more general audience by a guy who doesn’t follow the Sox. As such I don’t expect in-depth precision, but I’m still trying to figure out what was wrong with it. His tone w/r/t the Peavy and Rios moves seems much more on-point than the ‘mainstream’ view (that the moves were failures because the Sox aren’t going to the playoffs in 2009). He acknowledges that the Vazquez deal was actually not all that terrible, even if the fruits of the trade weren’t realized this year. And he (rightly) calls KW on the epic fail that was the Swisher fiasco.

I’m seeing your response now. I admittedly gave the article a quick peruse more than a thorough read, but I think you’re reading much more into Marchman’s little “profane Guillen tirades” quip than you should be. Or did I miss something else? In any case I didn’t come away with that sense (that he thinks Guillen is a bad manager) in the least, but YMMV.

by CWSKeith on Sep 22, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate hearing all the time - all the time - about what a terrible manager Ozzie is and how he doesn't know how to handle players.

I don’t recall hearing that very often in Chicago, but I am constantly defending Ozzie and his personality out here.
Even to perfect strangers in the kitchen at work, for example…they all seem to have that same “what a terrible guy to play for” opinion of him just because he doesn’t censor himself.

by homesickalien on Sep 22, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is a crappy manager.

Who is also a big media whore…. I don’t really think he is a complete asshole to his players though.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 22, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're right.

i don’t think he’s fucked the wife/girlfriend/mother/sister of every player. so not a complete asshole.

by larry on Sep 22, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

now, now.

complete assholes don’t engage in necrophilia. that’s psychotic assholes.

by larry on Sep 22, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just because people are fascinated by a guy who will candidly curse, it does not automatically make Ozzie a media whore.

And I don’t agree with you re: crappy manager….even for as many times as I’ve disagreed with him this season.

by homesickalien on Sep 22, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh, he plays to his audience. he knows exactly what he's doing. and he loves the attention it brings.

media whore? there are multiple ends to what he does but i don’t think that’s far off one of them.

by larry on Sep 22, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has been absolutely terrible this year in the dugout

and there is no topic he doesn’t like when it comes to the media. if he isn’t a media whore there isn’t one.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 22, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

not near as much as ozzie does.

and he is a much better manager who has been pretty good for around 30 years.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 22, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

LaRussa isn't close to being as big a media whore

its not even comparable. Guillen just goes off on tangents about the team and doesn’t follow through on anything he rants about. Nothing changes at all.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 22, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Passed along to me from a friend currently reading it, who thought of me at this passage - from Hemingway's True at First Light:
Probably a spring of clear fresh water that never diminished in the drought and never froze in the winter was the closest to what we had instead of the soul they all talked about. I remember when I was a boy the Chicago White Sox had a third baseman named Harry Lord who could foul off pitches down the third-base line until the opposing pitcher was worn out or it would get dark and the game be called. I was very young then and everything was exaggerated but I can remember it beginning to get dark, this was before there were lights in ballparks, and Harry still fouling them off and the crowd shouting, "Lord, Lord Save Your Soul." This was the closest I had ever come to the soul.

by homesickalien on Sep 22, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

I f'ng love that passage from that story.

Hemingway’s few baseball references hit the nail on the head.

"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote

by SkanchoDanza on Sep 22, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I figured it out last night after my 4th whiskey sour

the white sox have been messing with us there about to win 12 st8 games and take the al central title. win 2 games vs twins 3 vs indians and 6 vs the tigers. its like 2008 all over again maybe we will even have a game 163

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by Czheck on Sep 22, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

nice write up on hudson

i dont venture here as often with the sox out of it and the minor league season coming to a close, good to see a thoughtful piece on the future. from what ive read, hudson’s ceiling is a three. cheat or anyone else, do you see anything that suggests otherwise? just based on what was said about him in this post and others in the past, it seems like if he can develop a quality out pitch, he’s got the control and make up to stick around for quite some time.

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Sep 22, 2009 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

if we hadnt been so horrible

closing out this season I’d be very psyched for next year.

  The bad defense and poor baserunning seem chronic, that’s 3 straight seasons of poor fundamental baseball. If you build your team around pitching, as KW certainly is, you have to address that eventually. What we’re putting on the field right now is a waste of those pitching assets.

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by ChicagoPete on Sep 22, 2009 12:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Detroit has my pity.

"ALL THESE WORLDS/ ARE YOURS EXCEPT/ EUROPA/ ATTEMPT NO
LANDING THERE/ USE THEM TOGETHER/ USE THEM IN PEACE"

by thecip on Sep 22, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is a Historical Precedent for us to throw games...

How much $ could KW get for that?

Screw you, monkeyboy, Imma goin Home!

by DrEmilioLizardo on Sep 22, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

ugh

i’ll have to read it first, but ugh

i'm alex rios' last fan

by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 22, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

sky andrecheck

wtf, are all sabremetrician wannabes named sky?

i'm alex rios' last fan

by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 22, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sky King! He piloted the Songbird.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 22, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

YPOS

http://www.fiftiesweb.com/tv/sky-king.htm

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 22, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read that and my head exploded.

I feel for that wrecked fellow.

Actually, the whole thing reminds me of some of the old WTGTD (or SoB) threads. Good times.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Sep 22, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except that you'd have to imagine WTGTD being: (1) the managing editor of the site, and (2) incredibly earnest and heartfelt about his position as opposed to keeping the argument alive mostly for the fun of it.

“Let’s say your team is losing a game 1-0 going into the last of the 8th. Your team has played well, but the other team scored its one run on an error. Otherwise you have matched up well.
Then your team gives up three runs in the 8th and goes to the top of the 9th losing 4-0. Because it’s not a save situation, the leading team doesn’t put in its closer, but instead a lesser pitcher.
Your team has its best three hitters due up. But they go out meekly, 1-2-3, a couple of them on the first pitch.
Why is this? Because their chance of winning is much less than it was an inning before, even though they would have been facing a better pitcher (the closer) down only 1-0. Their own minds do this to them — they FEEL as if they can’t come back, even though the hitters might statistically have a better chance (in general) to hit the lesser pitcher.
Try to quantify that feeling. You can’t.”

Oh, but I can. That feeling is 3.

by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 22, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Al Yellon has refuted science in one thread.

I hope WU still has that secretary position open, I have no future.

The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.

by Ozzie Montana on Sep 22, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

You need a Series 7.

Study something.

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Sep 22, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

must be how Copernicus felt

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Sep 22, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's what i like about SSS. that bullshit would have been rightly mocked to oblivion.

with a lot more, shall we say, “colorful” language. i felt sorry for wreckard and harry. sucks for them that their work goes completely unappreciated over there. i know we’ve offered an olive branch to harry to post over in these parts during the crosstown series.

speaking of which, OM: “There are baseball fans who actually care about what you say”. was that not-so-slight reference to here?

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Sep 22, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs fans that don't take the Gospel of Yellon as word

Because he works for ABC7 and acts like he has clubhouse sources.

The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.

by Ozzie Montana on Sep 22, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

RE: Thornton

With exception to 2007, he’s been a stud. Up to now:

244.67 IP, 3.31 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 9.6 K/9, 3.1 K/BB

 I noticed he turned 33 recently. Looking at him comps on BR, George Sherrill popped up, but there was nobody else with significant recognition IMO. Is wear and tear, and decline in mechanics associated with age a concern for the Thorndog?

i'm alex rios' last fan

by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 22, 2009 1:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Thorndog? I like it!

Anything that travels that far, ought to have a stewardess on it..

by DrEmilioLizardo on Sep 22, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess this is mostly for Cheat.....

but anyone else feel free to chime in.

What do you think the White Sox will do in the off-season?

What happens with Dye, Pods, Kotsay, Dotel, Jenks, etc.etc…etc..?

by stanchar on Sep 22, 2009 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Sure!!

Dye is gone I think
Dotel gone.

They want to keep Kotsay, but will have to overpay to keep him.
Pods is re-signed and is a starter, either at DH or LF
They will try to trade Jenks, but either fail to find an acceptable deal or get nothing back for him.

My completely baseless guess for opening day 2010:

Pods DH
Getz 2B
AJ C
Konerko 1B
Kotsay RF
Q LF
Beckham 3B
Alexei SS
Rios CF
Peavy P

by hitlesswonder on Sep 22, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i know.

jerry paid me a visit earlier this week to thank me for my support. he said he was heading east.

by larry on Sep 22, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm not sure if that is the line-up HW wants OR

if some posters refuse to give kdub some credit with his abilities to formulate a competitive line-up. barring the swisher transaction, kdub and his team aren’t that stupid.

i'm alex rios' last fan

by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 22, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do Not Want

I don’t think KW wants it either, but it’s not like he can pay a dollar when he only has 50 cents.

I do think he wants a “non-traditional” DH. He was quoted as saying “it might make more sense” to have a guy who could DH and play the field. To me that says Pods and not Thome.

I think he would like to add Figgins or another bat, but I don’t think he can do it via free agency. That leaves dealing Floyd and/or Alexei and I don’t think he’ll get a deal he’s willing to make for them.

by hitlesswonder on Sep 22, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think there are other options that fall between figgins and pods

somebody mentioned before, but dye’s 3-year OPS is ~ 0.825, that is a much much better option at dh than pods. dye can field too, if relagated to part-time duty. kdub and his crew would be stupid to let pods handle dh duties to pods.

i'm alex rios' last fan

by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 22, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

ahhh. okay.

are there more than a few options between figgins and pods?

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by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 22, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, i suppose that depends.

there is quite a few DH types out there. it actually seems like now would be the time – even moreso than last offseason – to get an all-hit, no field type at a big discount. it would be somewhat disappointing – and probably stupid – to see KW follow through with his “no DH” threat.

by larry on Sep 22, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

his range (or lack of it) was on displace last night

watching Dye’s fledging failure of a run/dive attempt on Cabrera’s triple… a RFer with league average range probably gets to that ball.

Darin Erstad gets to that ball, no doubt.

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Sep 22, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Dye could be a pretty good first baseman.

He’s tall, seemingly nifty with the glove when he can get to the ball and has a good throwing arm.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 22, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was on dat place too.

sorry, couldn’t resist!

"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

— Leo Durocher

by Chiburb on Sep 22, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

One would argue

Thome can probably field better than pods can.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 22, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

i will disagree

If the ball is within Dye’s range…. be it very limited…. I have no doubt that the play will be made…. Dye was once a gold glove outfielder who has slowed with leg injuries and age. Podsednik and Quentin are down right scary to watch. I’m never sure it is an out until they throw it back into the infield.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 22, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its like when I used to pitch in little league

yes i dominated most of the time but sometimes some lucky bastard would close his eyes and make contact and hit it out to the right fielder….. if they made the play it was almost a shock.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 22, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

so you were a flyball pitcher?

there's nothing like being rubbed ----by pierzynskirules

by mick10 on Sep 22, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was a strike out pitcher.

every once in a while they would get lucky and make contact. I once struck out 18 guys in a 6 inning game… yes thats right kids…. every fucking out I got I K’d. I’m sure there are some people who grew up in the Willow Springs/Justice/Bridgeview area in the late 80s and early 90s that still are scared by the legend that is the KenWo ;)

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 23, 2009 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

it's hard not to see larry as a man of great vision

when we’re treated to this kind of content as a result of his actions.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Sep 23, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

one wouldn't need to argue that.

of course, that’s just an undercard on the tallest midget divisional race main event.

by larry on Sep 22, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

options that fall between figgins and pods and DH that can play the field occasionaly?

That has Matsui written all over it, who’s having a great second half. He also has hit better outside of Yankee Stadium this year, so his stats aren’t too inflated.

by chisox2691 on Sep 22, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's been dead even vs LHP and RHP too

That said, I’ve grown sick of him, but I suppose there could be worse options

by Q!'s Qrew on Sep 22, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea, I know what you mean..

He might not be ideal, but he is a lefty DH with some power, doesn’t strike out much, and a good RBI guy . On the other hand, 35 years old, knee injuries last year, and not sure how much money he’ll make in free agency this year.

by chisox2691 on Sep 22, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a baseless prediction, not a wish list

I think there’s a significant chance that a pitcher or SS will be dealt for a hitter, but I think it’s still more likely that doesn’t happen. I don’t think there’s much chance that they’ll sign any significant FA.

by hitlesswonder on Sep 22, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

sox will do better than pods at DH and kotsay at starting RF

i hope that is less considered a baseless prediction and more a reasonable assumption

i'm alex rios' last fan

by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 22, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is not a playoff team

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 22, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

good chemistry though

there's nothing like being rubbed ----by pierzynskirules

by mick10 on Sep 22, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

three lefties in a row to start it off, most craptacular middle ever

I like it!

On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply recommended Unrec 3

by blackoutsox on Sep 22, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your take on 2010 OD lineup?

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Sep 22, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

No clue since KW will be busy in the offseason

let’s say something like:

Getz 2B
Beckham 3B
?? DH
Konerko 1B
Q! RF
AJ C
Che SS
?? LF
Rios CF
Buehrle P

2009: Not with a bang but a whimper.

by Andronicus on Sep 23, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

reiterating: two lefties plz

also lets stick with the nix/getz platoon.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Sep 23, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've heard the sox will trade Peavy and Jenks

for Zambrano and Bradley. Also Konerko going to MIL for Fielder. Pods and Dye to platoon as the DH

read better.

"give the guy more than six days to get up to speed."

by larry on Sep 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT

by Scotty Ballgame on Sep 22, 2009 1:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

because of the free agency compensation rules,

we will lose Dye for a draft pick and we will pick up Figgins and Abreu for nothing.

there's nothing like being rubbed ----by pierzynskirules

by mick10 on Sep 22, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

its already been set. you can see it

here

Because I still draw breath, and will be a sox fan for as long as I do. - larry

by BoeJouma on Sep 22, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

clearly thats hanley, not che

Because I still draw breath, and will be a sox fan for as long as I do. - larry

by BoeJouma on Sep 22, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd for beating larry

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 22, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

So many possibilities...

but ima just gonna rec.

Anything that travels that far, ought to have a stewardess on it..

by DrEmilioLizardo on Sep 22, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah. Beating larry seems to be the Holy Grail of posters

on this site.

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Sep 22, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

i see it as an effort to put a dent

in his godzilla-sized ego.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 22, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, who did you take your sig from?

That is brilliant.

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Sep 22, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trooper, apparently.

i should probably attribute it. it’s quite good.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 22, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

lose

Because I still draw breath, and will be a sox fan for as long as I do. - larry

by BoeJouma on Sep 22, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

lame

Also, why is your sig credited to larry?

by homesickalien on Sep 22, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

ive been meaning to change it, just lazy

at least now i know hes a fraud!

Because I still draw breath, and will be a sox fan for as long as I do. - larry

by BoeJouma on Sep 22, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice!!!

Do it for the Gentlemen Masher, and the ghost of Branch Rickey….

Screw you, monkeyboy, Imma goin Home!

by DrEmilioLizardo on Sep 22, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

THAT, above all, needed to be green.

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Sep 22, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

get em next time slugger

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.

by colintj on Sep 22, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

highly recommended.

im watching it for hte 3rd time now. which i feel is a lot for a documentary

lets go dodgers

by BoeJouma on Sep 22, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

is that the one with Eva Mendez? or Dakota Fanning?

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Sep 22, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

isn't that man on fire?

thumbs down on that one…denzel should’ve passed on that

i'm alex rios' last fan

by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 22, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

true.

you shouldn’t ever go gonorrhea.

by larry on Sep 22, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

The original was WAY better

Scott Glenn was hardcore awesome, and also starred a good joe pesci, before he became a putz.

Plus it was set in Italy.

Screw you, monkeyboy, Imma goin Home!

by DrEmilioLizardo on Sep 22, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, have we clinched 3rd yet?

If not, what’s our magic number? I have to play for something.

We’re a pack of a-holes. And my tradition of contributing absolutely nothing to this site... continues.

by winningugly on Sep 22, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

that picture is perfect

since Im about to pick up my brother(dumber) and head to the Cell.

dont do anything I wouldnt do while Im gone, kids.

"And when I called him, and asked him to stand up for me, I know I shocked the shit out of him" - Michael Jordan, on choosing David Thompson as his Hall of Fame sponsor.

by e-gus on Sep 22, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see you in the orange, gus

and a dapper look it is!

Screw you, monkeyboy, Imma goin Home!

by DrEmilioLizardo on Sep 22, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I use it and it seems to work alright

although I think I’ve allowed southsidesox.com

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Sep 22, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bob Foltman on the 2010 Sox:

“other than Beckham and Buehrle what is there on this team that is a given?”

where does the Tribune find these geniuses?

2009: Not with a bang but a whimper.

by Andronicus on Sep 22, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions  

there's a BCB thread linked above that their talent pool might be drawn from.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Sep 22, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

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