Bobby: Should He Stay or Should He Go Now?
De Luca: At this point, all White Sox fans care about is next season. The rotation will be set, and it will be a strong point. The infield also is set. The outfield remains a puzzle because of the impending exit of right fielder Jermaine Dye. The bullpen is a mess, with closer Bobby Jenks having delivered his last pitch for the Sox.
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he gone!
bet the sox don’t offer arb. KW was like “he’s under contract right now. there’s nothing more to say.”
go
considering the amount of money he’s due
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
ha. I just created a front pager for the day too.... larry, dare I say, 'great minds think alike'? (snicker)
"Rios flied out to a fan, that's new." - billy
Yes, you can dare. Since you kept the question short.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
sox have all these relievers making big dough
and they pitch like 60 innings/per year.
they should treat expiring contract/arb guys like rented mules (which they are).
putty sho they don't just let him go...(even though I doubt he pitches for the sox again)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 24, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions
Have to agree with larry:
Use him when you really need the out, not with no one on base with no outs.
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by winningugly on Sep 24, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
K gregg is garbage.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 24, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Where did Jenks come from?
Scrap heap. He’s lasted longer than most on this site (including me) thought. Gregg is proven mediocrity. Who’s down on the farm? Link?
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by winningugly on Sep 24, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
If Garcia stays servicable as #5, perhaps.
Where is he utilized best? #5 or closer (which he has not done)?
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by winningugly on Sep 24, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it's a given that Jenks is gone.
Unless he has arm problems we don’t know about. One thing that makes me suspicious is his low use of his curve this year. If the club knows there is a health issue they won’t bring him back for the kind of money he makes. If he’s gone, I wouldn’t move Thornton to the closer’s spot unless we got a proven setup man and preferably left handed. Oz has the flexibility to pitch him in the 7th or 8th of tight games depending on the matchups with left handers.
If Bobby goes, maybe Dotel is brought back? He’s a possible closer. I wasn’t totally serious about Hudson closing but it is possible if he proves to have the best 2 pitches of the remaining relievers. Jenks did it and so did Papelbon, both with success.
Hudson will be more valuable as a starter but only if and after he develops his slider and curve.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
hudson
hasn’t shown the ability to k guys regularly from what i’ve read… unless that improves, i wouldn’t want him in the closer’s role. interesting idea
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
what have you been reading??
Hudson has been in the Sox system for just over a year and has a ridiculous K-rate. 256 Ks in 217 professional innings, since being drafted.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/H/Dan-Hudson.shtml
I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.
He's a law student.
Perhaps “K”-ing, in lawspeak, means “restraining order” or something.
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this
AA =/= MLB
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
link fail
http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/9/21/1047748/daniel-hudson-is-gonna-be-good
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
I should have been clearer also
i’m well aware of him minor league numbers, doing it at this level is another story… not saying he won’t get there as cheat alluded to, but that if he can’t put guys away, maybe there are better options
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
*his
WU-itis
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
I agree, we gotta go out and get something - make a trade maybe
but don’t pick up Gregg. I have had Gregg on my fantasy team 2 years in a row and he is a disaster. I’d rather keep Jenks.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 24, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Not for his arb money.
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by winningugly on Sep 24, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
why not decline the arb
let him test the FA market and when he finds out he isn’t getting anywhere near $8-10M a season, sign him to a one year $3-5M deal? If he does sign somewhere else, so be it.
I only suggest this if we can’t make a deal for something of value for the bullpen.
I don’t want Gregg.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 24, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
if you decline arb
you can’t sign him until may. something like that. or that’s the way it used to be.
yeah, you're right
forgot about that.
Well, Linebrink is usually good for April and then folds…then you plug in Jenks in May.
My idea is blown to sh*t…oh well.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 24, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Keep your day job, Bob.
;)
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by winningugly on Sep 24, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
dabbling in ML GM duties is not my strong suit.
I can karaoke like a motherf’er, though.
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by BobbySouthSide on Sep 24, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I bet you do well in Japan.
Like Dylan. And Cheap Trick.
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by winningugly on Sep 24, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably
I usually sound like I am speaking Japanese when I karaoke.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 24, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I ususally sound like I'm Turning Japanese
when I sing.
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by winningugly on Sep 24, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
usually
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by winningugly on Sep 24, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Tom Waits.
"Rios flied out to a fan, that's new." - billy
by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep. And I'm big in Japan.
"Rios flied out to a fan, that's new." - billy
by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I can make anything sound country
according to the mrs.
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I want a Chocolate Beckham
Anything that travels that far, ought to have a stewardess on it..
by DrEmilioLizardo on Sep 24, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
you're telling me, i picked him up and it sucked
now i have marmol, hoffman, and nunez going in the finals
Jenks was scrap heap who threw 100 mph
Gregg gets paid to throw BP.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 24, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
stumblebums
like todd jones and borowski can put up jenx-like numbers. well, maybe not, but i just like saying stumblebums.
assuming the team's rotation is healthy next year
I refuse to get all hot and bothered over the bullpen next year. Get me a few more runs dammit.
"Oh well back to work"
Besides that, Linebrink can't get THAT much worse from this year, right? Unless his arm falls off, he's gotta be due to improve.
"Rios flied out to a fan, that's new." - billy
by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
i think remain will be very 46663 next reason too if might suprised a few people
by hoodlight on Sep 24, 2009 11:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You don't say.
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by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
first thing I have ever agreed with you on.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 24, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I feel like a word salad right about now.
Tasty.
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by winningugly on Sep 24, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
your offense is only as good as your bullpen.
you should know this by now.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
a key to a good offense is
a good bullpen or maybe it was more beer, i don’t recall
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
SMOLTZ!
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by winningugly on Sep 24, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
""There also must be a change in the attitude............"
'09 White Sox - Too many brain cramps.
Blow it up!
Keep DJ and Thornton and throw a match on the rest of the garbage in the pen and start from scratch. None of them are worth a shit.
How about this?
Start 2010 by letting Dye and Dotel walk. Trade Pena, Linebrink, Fields, Wise, and Castro for whatever you can get which probably won’t be much. Trade Jenks for some bullpen help and turn over the closer role to Thornton. Promote Hudson, Nunez, and Flowers. I’d also let Cox go. He cost us too many runs this year with his poor judgement. Resign Pods 1yr, move Q to right, and look to bolster bullpen in off season through FA or trade. Rios will improve. Can’t get any worse.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
Pods at DH
Pods in LF or DH with Q in RF his natural position. Rios should stay in CF period. This is the best OF defense unless you move Pods to full time DH and sign Figgins which I don’t see happening. As far as Pena goes, if you’re willing to give him a longer leash might as well extend one to Linebrink and bring him back too.
Power clog the base paths DH
We had that for years with Thome, Thomas etc. We have a little versatility with Pods.
Yes, especially that worthless POS Thomas!
Finally a poster that makes sense on this site.
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— Leo Durocher
wtf you talking about? frank "carried" the club with that 2-week hot stretch in 2005
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 24, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
They had a lot of heart and determination
but what good is that if you can’t measure it?
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
No good. That's what!
"Rios flied out to a fan, that's new." - billy
by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
NOTHING!!! Not even a free taco or whatever they give away at Bull's games when they score 100 points or more!!!
All we got was crummy fireworks and exploding scoreboards. Not a goddam thing to eat!
Certainly no rings to wear.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
Well....a free Dunkin Donuts coffee if they scored in the 4th.
Or something like that.
That’s better than a ring!
"Rios flied out to a fan, that's new." - billy
by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That coffee was so good this morning
almost didn’t make me feel bad for having three games in this last homestand. Almost…
I am seeing my winter months on this site stretch out before me.
Anyone know about auto-asphyxiation? I’d rather go that way. Clothed, of course.
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Isn't that when you leave the car running with the garage door closed?
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Sep 24, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's me. Don't think WU has stated a preference before now.
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— Leo Durocher
Just beginning my Shuffling off the mortal coil" shopping.
It’s gonna be a long winter.
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Especially with my lardy ass at the helm.
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by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy Crap
I think suggesting Podsednik is a superior DH to Frank Thomas should be an automatic banning.
by hitlesswonder on Sep 24, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Authorix.
Don’t want to be clubbed to death, father.
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by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
You got demoted already?!?
You are no son of mine.
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Lookit the bottom of the page...I'm an Author Dipshit. Guapo's my supervisor.
I think the day I got my new toy, I told you I had a link to “Manage Editorial.” Maybe that was confusing.
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by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
You work under Guapo? Now THAT'S funny!
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— Leo Durocher
She works under more than Guapo.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
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You'll have to explain Carson to the kids.
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by Chiburb on Sep 24, 2009 5:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
johnny carson
tv talk show host and comedian of the mid to late 20th century. occasionally would highlight a punch line with a simulated golf swing.
ah, thanks
I know who he is, but didn’t really ever see him or his show
Go away, before I hire a ninja to eliminate you.
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 24, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
whats up ninja.
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Linebrink won't be going anywhere on the basis of his contract
Definitely no reason to give up on Pena. If Bobby goes, I’d like to see Dotel brought back and I would assume it could be done a lot cheaper than the last deal we gave him.
Thornton, Dotel, Pena, Linebrink, DJ, Hudson/Garcia… not terrible in my book, esp given the starting staff.
Would still like to see a LH power hitter
We would be much better off next year with a little more power from the left side. Any ideas?
Thome is available, I believe.
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I believe we could fit one in our OF somewhere
Must be one available through trade since KW says no to the FA market.
It's the easiest position to play.
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by Sox Machine on Sep 24, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seeing Griffey in CF was worth it just to make this exchange possible
by hitlesswonder on Sep 24, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
The only time we had an actual statue in CF before he retired.
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by winningugly on Sep 24, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
A General nonetheless!
"Rios flied out to a fan, that's new." - billy
by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly, bobby dernier and mitch webster could play it
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 24, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Put Thome in CF
and Buehrle’s no-no is less scintillating. Thome is standing at the wall to catch Kaplan’s shot.
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He certainly wouldn't clog the alleys.
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— Leo Durocher
I'm not a huge fan, but H.Matsui was mentioned the other day
Could prob be had fairly cheap. I think you’re right about a trade being more likely though.
I'm not a huge fan, but H.Matsui was mentioned the other day
Doesn’t excite me much either. Must be something better and younger out there.
I'm not a huge fan, but H.Matsui was mentioned the other day
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."
— Leo Durocher
Would someone please explain who H. Matsui is,
and why he is being mentioned so much? Even though I am not a huge fan (more averaged-sized), I still am interested.
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I'm not a huge fan, but as far as H.Matsui goes...
Several websites, including SPORTS FROG , have noted a 2003 TIME "Asian Heroes" profile that mentions Hideki Matsui’s porn collection: ( This now makes complete sense ) " Indeed, his only eccentricity, if it can be called that, is his extensive private library of adult videos
And to quantify H.Matsui further
Take porn, for instance. While porn is not publicly displayed, every fakir worth his rod has a vast all-inclusive personal museum of deviance that would make Casanova blush. For comparison’s sake, according to Sports Illustrated, Yankee outfielder Hideki Matsui has 55,000 distinct items in his porn collection.
He's a piker. Wait'll he's my age.
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— Leo Durocher
From a purely H.Matsui perspective, I'm not a big fan of how often he's mentioned.
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by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
no reason to ever have Pods DH
We play in one of the biggest bandboxes in the league no reason to have Pods DHing. Like it or not this team wins with the HRs, if they aren’t hitting em then we are not winning
by 815Sox on Sep 24, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
You need the boppers. I heard that they are counting on 90 dingers from the Rios, Konerko, Quentin combination…. that is highly doubtful.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Delgado sounds good
But someone to fit into the outfield would be preferable. Carlos doesn’t even play a good 1B.
I agree. I heard him interviewed and I think he has a future as a color man.
Sounds better than DJ for sure.
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That's racist!
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by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they got out Earl today. Could give you an exact time but mobile posting doesn't show times.
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by Chiburb on Sep 24, 2009 4:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/underachievers-i-dont-think-so
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
he forgets.
that brian anderson is the closest thing to a five tool player we had, that dewayne wise is a good-looking ballplayer, that there’s this motherfucker who is making 10, 12, 14 million and that there’s this other motherfucker who is making 4, 5 million.
I think he forgets that there wasn't a full season of
Beckham, Q, Pods, and Dye (though present).
Things might have been different.
That said, without Kenny naming names, it’s all speculative.
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by Chiburb on Sep 24, 2009 5:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
he's right more or less
but i hate that fucker big time.
Is this true?
Anyone notice the Sox had the WORST BABIP in the AL this year? Bad luck happens.
So we FNS’ed as a team this year. Guess all of them should be traded. Perhaps bad chemistry.
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it is true
http://www.fangraphs.com/teams.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&type=2&season=2009&month=0
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
They were also 2nd worst in line drive % so they may have been a little unlucky
but they also sucked at hitting.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
So FNS' bad BABIP in 2008
was an aberration/bad luck but our bad team BABIP is not?
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right.
flyball teams usually will have a low BABIP. notice another team that is ranked poorly in each of the past two seasons (phillies). both clubs are homer-happy types. as discussed above, line drive is generally the type of contact which will translate into a higher BABIP. the white sox have continued to hit flyballs at about their usual rate. the primary difference between this year and last year is a higher groundball rate and flyballs not leaving the park (which, of course, wouldn’t appear in BABIP because of the IP part).
OK, I understand.
So do you think phasing JD/Thome out and a full season of Getz/Becks (and more Pods, perhaps) might bring up our BABIP? (I suppose it will depend upon who DH’s and who plays RF to replace them, but whatthehell.)
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thome has a high babip, both career and this season. he wasn't the problem.
or, at least, his babip is about league average and certainly higher than the white sox’ overall average. dye isn’t a huge problem, either, though perhaps going forward that’s not the case.
at any rate, i don’t care much about babip. as my post above illustrates, it’s not particularly indicative of team success, either overall or offensively.
Ive had a couple drinks
and i cant wait till next year. as long as we dont have linkebrink we will win the AL central.
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
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Better have some more - Linebrink still here along with the complete coaching staff - till at least '11
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
+1
more drinks needed. why cant we throw Linebrink and Pena and maybe Walker under the bus of shame and blame?
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Can't throw Walk under the bus
He’s so hard working that he is there in the morning before the busses are even running
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
Could Heath Bell be a possibility for the bullpen ?
I was in S.D. in August and the local talk then was that Bell and Gonzalez are sure to be dealt this winter for more kids. Would the Sox have enough to offer?
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