White Sox Minor League Update: Lists Season
by larry on Sep 25, 2009 1:36 PM CDT
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PrintAfter a brief vacation, we're back. It's prospects lists season and we start off with the Appy League from Baseball America:
6. David Holmberg, lhp, Bristol (White Sox) B-T: R-L Ht.: 6-4 Wt.: 220 Age: 18 Drafted: White Sox '09 (2) The sixth prep lefty taken in the 2009 draft, Holmberg went to the White Sox in the second round. Brought along slowly as a pro, he won his final two starts for Bristol because they were the first two in which he completed five innings.
Six-foot-4 and a bit soft-bodied, Holmberg has room to grow stronger and improve upon his present high-80s velocity. He sits at 86-88 mph and touches 90 from a straight overhand delivery, which aids him in getting good plane to the plate.
Quick hand speed enables Holmberg to spin quality 12-to-6 curveballs with above-average break and depth. He mixes in a plus changeup and throws an occasional slider. His secondary stuff and precocious feel for locating his pitches and for changing speeds marks him as a future mid-rotation candidate, particularly if he adds a few ticks to his fastball.
11. Trayce Thompson, of, Bristol (White Sox) B-T: R-R Ht.: 6-3 Wt.: 195 Age: 18 Drafted: White Sox '09 (2) Though his average plummeted to .188 after he finished the season in an 0-for-18 skid, Thompson's athletic bloodlines were obvious. His father Mychal, a 6-foot-10 center, was the No. 1 overall pick in the 1978 NBA draft and spent 12 years in the league. The younger Thompson, a second-round pick in June, excited Appy League observers with raw physicality (he's 6-foot-3 and 195 pounds), tremendous bat speed and big-time power potential.
As evidenced by Thompson's zero home runs, four walks and 33 strikeouts, those tools didn't translate into immediate results. Scouts questioned his baseball instincts as an amateur, and he struggled to identify and hit breaking balls with his long swing.
Thompson did earn high marks for his intensity level, plus arm strength and above-average speed. In time, he could become an asset in center field.
15. Santos Rodriguez, lhp, Bristol (White Sox) B-T: L-L Ht.: 6-5 Wt.: 185 Age: 21 Signed: Dominican Republic '06 (Braves) The White Sox acquired Rodriguez and three other prospects when they traded Javier Vazquez to the Braves in December 2008. Though Chicago intended to try Rodriguez in the rotation, they instead assigned the 21-year-old to Bristol and kept him in a relief role, marking the third straight season in which he worked in a Rookie ball bullpen. He worked four scoreless innings with eight strikeouts at low Class A Kannapolis after the Appy season ended.
Rodriguez features a plus-plus fastball during most outings, topping out at 97 mph and sitting at 95 with late movement. The pitch features incredible plane by virtue of his 6-foot-5 height, and Appy Leaguers struggled to lift the pitch, going homerless during his 27 innings. He throws a changeup with above-average arm speed that neutralizes righthanders.
Despite his arm strength, Rodriguez still walks too many batters to rank as a surefire relief prospect, though his control improved as the season progressed. He also doesn't have a usable breaking ball at this point, as his slider doesn't consistently show enough tilt to be graded even as fringe-average.
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Joe LeCates (Easton, MD): Matt, I saw a report the other day identifying some similarities at the plate between Thompson and Mike Stanton. While that is intriguing to say the least, Thompson is obviously much more raw. That being said, how much of a project is he going to be in terms of learning to hit advanced pitching – what is a realistic expectation for his career path?
Matthew Eddy: Trayce Thompson is that rare player who won over league managers despite not really hitting a lick. You can see the potential in his frame and with his bat speed and his grace in the outfield. But in reality, he could be facing another assignment with Bristol next year to iron out his pitch recognition.
Jeff (England): Did Miguel Gonzalez get any consideration for this list? His numbers were very impressive especially for an 18 year old.
Matthew Eddy: Formally the domain of Puerto Rico, catchers from Venezuela now seem to be on the upsurge. (A Venezuelan vanguard?) Gonzalez, who signed in ‘08, is only one recent example. Others include the Yankees’ Jesus Montero (a catcher for now), the Royals’ Salvador Perez, the Blue Jays’ Carlos Perez and two others who ranked in yesterday’s AZL list. As to Gonzalez, he sowed an ability to drive the ball to all fields with average power potential. That’s all you can ask for from an offensive standpoint. He’s got a thick lower half already, so staying behind the plate will be his ticket to promotion.
Fred (Ohio): What do scouts think of outfielder Brady Shoemaker. He certainly had a great start to his career.
Matthew Eddy: Shoemaker has good hitter’s hands and an idea of the strike zone, but as a righthanded-hitting left fielder who was old for the league, he’s going to have to prove himself at every stop. For more on Shoemaker (and two Danville Braves who missed the cut), follow the link posted in Scott Shumaker question.
Ben (Leland Grove): Which of the names on this list do you see rising through the minors the quickest, and why?
Matthew Eddy: Have to give the nod to older players and relievers, so how about SS Mycal Jones (he’ll be 23 next season) and LH reliever Santos Rodriguez (assuming his control gains are for real).
Santo looks intriguing...
At 97 and that “plane” does he really need a curve to be an 8th or 9th inning pitcher?
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Egbert to Mets via waiver claim:
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I s’pose KennyGM has begun his annual clearing of the crap from the 40-man.
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Hey! I resemble that remark!
But I’ll wreck it too.
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Kristy (MA): How does Great Falls win both halves in the league and not have one player on your list?
Matthew Eddy: The Voyagers’ batters and pitchers both ranked as oldest in the Pioneer League compared with their peers. Older teams at the Rookie level, generally speaking, mean good W-L results and few, if any, prospects. Two players received notice. Center fielder Kyle Colligan, a 12th-rounder from Texas A&M, hits for a bit of power and can run and throw a bit. But sixth-round RHP Justin Collop (from Toledo) came closest to making the 20. He’s projectable with quick arm and sits at 90-93 with sink and bore. His low-80s slider gets sweepy but showed promise. And Collop also throws a true split-finger pitch that he commands fairly well.
Nick (Chicago)
Scouts haven’t seem to be high on Dayan Viciedo. What have you heard about or seen from the young Cuban?
Ben Badler
He didn’t recognize a changeup in the series I saw him, and scouts have said the same thing this year. He’s incredibly strong and has impressive raw power, but it won’t translate in games without a radical overhaul in his approach and pitch recognition. He’s got a good arm, too, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they moved him to first base as soon as next season.
Mike (Iowa)
Top prospect in the White Sox system, Flowers or Hudson?
Ben Badler
Flowers. The reviews of his defense this year have been much better this year.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/majors/espn-chat/2009/268931.html
This year or this year?
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Oct 1, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Chicago White Sox
Signed: RHP Sergio Santos (re-signed), 1B Seth Loman (re-signed)
Recalled: RHP Jack Egbert, LHP Wes Whisler
Outrighted to Triple-A and removed from 40-man: LHP Wes Whisler
The White Sox lost Egbert on a waiver claim to the Mets. He’s a Rutgers product (13th round, ’04) who grew up on Staten Island.
Well looking through this... just yech
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mitchell #8 on SAL top prospects
8. Jared Mitchell, of, Kannapolis (White Sox)
Age: 20. B-T: L-L. Ht.: 6-0. Wt.: 195. Drafted: Louisiana State, 2009 (1st round).
There aren’t any Sally League players who are more accustomed to playing in front of a big crowd with lots of noise than Mitchell. The 2009 College World Series MVP, he also was a backup wide receiver on Louisiana State’s football team. Used to being under the spotlight, he doesn’t get rattled by much of anything, and certainly didn’t during his stay with Kannapolis.
The best college athlete in the 2009 draft, Mitchell is an exciting player with incredible raw speed. He has been clocked from home plate to third base in 10.3 seconds. His lone below-average tool is his arm. As a former football player who hadn’t focused exclusively on baseball, he has surprisingly good baseball instincts, especially in the outfield.
“It looks like he’s covering ground in milliseconds,” Kannapolis manager Ernie Young said. “He takes control in center field like he’s been playing professionally for a while.”
At the plate, Mitchell has gap-to-gap power and could develop into a home run threat as he grows into his solid frame. He also can hit for average and has good patience.
I SO want to have him progress well.
SO. I would buy his jersey.
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phil rogers on brent morel's nuts
Unlike Viciedo, there are no questions about his long-term position. Morel, 22, is a polished fielder who has the tools and instincts to remain at third base. Carolina League managers rated him as the top fielder at his position.
“The defense is there and he could go play at any level,” said roving infield instructor Chris Cron, who managed Morel at low Class A Kannapolis last season. “It’s just consistently getting the other things in order.”
Morel, a 6-foot-1, 220-pounder who bats righthanded, tied for the team lead with 16 home runs and led the Dash with 79 RBIs. He hit .281/.335/.453 with 38 walks and 66 strikeouts.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/majors/organization-reports/chicago-white-sox/2009/268939.html
sounds like aurelio rodriguez
without the bat.
my boy brent morel sneaks into the carolina league top 20 at #20; danks at #14
14. Jordan Danks, of, Winston-Salem (White Sox)
Age: 23. B-T: L-R. Ht.: 6-4. Wt.: 210. Drafted: White Sox ’08 (7)
Danks spent little time in the Carolina League, but one month was all the White Sox needed to see before promoting him to Double-A for good in May. Danks continued hitting well at Birmingham before wrist and finger injuries took a toll on his numbers.
At the plate, Danks shows good bat speed and a solid swing. Despite his size, he has below-average power, though that could improve as he fills out his 6-foot-4, 210-pound frame. He can be susceptible to offspeed pitches, but he does a good job working the count to get on base and is a good bunter.
Danks’ athleticism stands out on the bases and in the field. He’s an above-average runner, though he could slow down as he matures physically. He gets good jumps and takes good routes to the ball in center field. He also shows a solid-average arm that will serve him well if he winds up in right field.
20. Brent Morel, 3b, Winston-Salem (White Sox)
Age: 22. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-1. Wt.: 220. Drafted: White Sox ‘08 (3).
Scouts and managers use words like “throwback,” “old-fashioned” and “blue collar” to describe Morel, whose solid tools play up because of his instincts and feel for the game. He was one of the CL’s best hitters after the all-star break, batting .304/.361/.496.
Morel puts together quality plate appearances, with managers around the league praising him for his intelligence and preparation. He has a compact, line-drive swing and doesn’t strike out much. He mostly works the gaps but has the potential to hit for at least average power in the future.
A good defensive third baseman, Morel has first-step quickness, soft hands and a plus arm. He’s a solid-average runner with good instincts on the basepaths.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2009/268965.html
what player would you compare morel to?
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
i'd be ok with a joe randa
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Bryan (San Francisco): Maybe it’s splitting hairs, but what pushed a guy like D’Arnaud that much higher than a guy like Morel? Morel had more power and speed, and was also a higher draft pick. Also, does Morel have a chance with Viciedo in his way at third? Thanks for the chat!
Ben Badler: D’Arnaud doesn’t have Morel’s power, but he gets himself into better hitters’ counts, does a better job of getting on base and has a chance to play a more valuable defensive position. There’s also something funky about Morel’s splits. He was much, much better at home than on the road and hit significantly worse against RHPs than vs. LHPs. I don’t look too much into single-season split data, but I do think that Morel benefited from his home park. But I think ultimately the White Sox will have to move Viciedo to first base, which would clear some room for Morel on the depth chart.
Michael (NY, NY): What is one guy you originally thought was sure to make the list who got left off, and why was he left off?
Ben Badler: White Sox reliever Nathan Jones was a last-minute cut, but he has outstanding arm strength. His fastball ranges from 94-98 mph, while some people have seen him sitting at 96-98. So that’s always going to give him a chance, but he’s more of a thrower than a pitcher right now. The command needs work, his breaking ball is a power pitch in the low- to mid-80s but still gets slurvy, and doesn’t have much deception, which is one reason why his strikeout rate isn’t as high as you might expect for a guy who can pump it into the high-90s.
Who has a better shot at helping the big club in the long run?
Jones or Jhonny Nunez?
that's a tough one.
i’d say nunez simply because he’s made it to the majors already. i’m generally skeptical of pitching prospects who are solely limited to relief until they prove their abilities at AA, at least.
I read about Jones, and I think Dewon Day.
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probably would have agreed with that comparison more prior to this season in which jones found control.
day just walked too many people. jones also has a much better fastball, at least velocity-wise.
finger injuries!
that ones new to me
Or if Peterson's "troublesome" back gives out. Because he's, you know, carrying the team. And some of those guys are heavy.
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AFL preview
Jordan Danks, White Sox (Javelinas): John Danks’ younger brother got off to a tremendous start but cooled down significantly (.243/.337/.356) following a promotion to Double-A. Scouts now wonder if he’s another Ryan Sweeney type, where it looks like he should be good, but in the end…
C.J. Retherford, White Sox (Javelinas): He was undrafted out of college but is still hitting, including a .297/.340/.473 line in pitcher-friendly Double-A Birmingham. His tools will never impress anyone, but he’s a doubles machine (46 in 2009) who just gets the job done.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9623
ryan sweeney's bat
and plus defense in CF would be pretty fucking sweet.
yeah, at last check wasn't sweeney considered a pretty valuable player at league minimum?
offense is still meh-tastic but his glove has significant value.
by Craig Grebeck on Oct 8, 2009 3:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Could C.J. have a chance to be our utility infielder out of spring training?
I think it would be more likely that he goes to AAA, but Guillen sent messages to both Nix and Lillibridge to improve for 2010 if they want to play for him.
seems early for him.
particularly since he doesn’t have as good of a glove as either nix or lillibridge.
Jim – What do you think of Jordan Danks? It seemed like his season fell off quite a bit after he hurt his wrist.
Jim Callis:
Wrist injuries will take a toll on a player’s hitting, but that’s not a long-term concern. I like Danks some but he won’t be more than a solid regular if he never learns to tap into his power potential.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/majors/espn-chat/2009/268973.html
what level do you see danks
ending next season at?
by soxshenanigans on Oct 7, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
looks that way.
i’d note that he isn’t listed on his home town club for the venezuelan winter league this year.
jon link, however, is. joucer martinez, too.
http://www.tiburones.net/cmaestro/rosterprofesional.php
probably will see clevelan santeliz on navegantes del magallanes; freddy garcia may pitch a few games for them, too.
southern league top 20
2. Gordon Beckham, ss, Birmingham (White Sox)
Age: 22. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-0. Wt.: 190. Drafted: White Sox ’08 (1).
One year after sharing the NCAA Division I lead with 28 homers at Georgia, Beckham began 2009 in Double-A and quickly advanced to Chicago, where he was one of the top rookies in the American League. Beckham has a short, efficient swing with good bat speed, using quick hands and strong forearms to routinely put the barrel to the ball and drive it for power. He has a solid approach at the plate, showing the ability to recognize offspeed pitches, use the opposite field and employ a sound two-strike approach.
Most managers felt that Beckham could play shortstop at the major league level, as he has good athleticism, first-step quickness and a solid arm. Others thought he might be a better fit at second or third base partly because of his fringe-average speed, and the White Sox used him solely at the hot corner alongside Alexei Ramirez at short. Beckham’s baserunning still could use additional polish.
“I put a higher grade on Beckham than I put on any other player I saw this year,” a National League scout said.
6. Tyler Flowers, c, Birmingham (White Sox)
Age: 23. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-4. Wt.: 245. Drafted: Braves ‘05 (33).
Flowers’ best tools are his ability to hit, hit for power and control the strike zone. He has excellent plate discipline, recognizing offspeed pitches well with a patient approach that makes him an on-base machine. His size, strength and power swing give him plus power that’s evident both in batting practice and game situations.
Flowers is an offensive-minded catcher, but he made significant improvements behind the plate his year. While some projected him as a first baseman entering 2009, his throwing, receiving, blocking and footwork all got better. He threw out 29 percent of basestealers between Birmingham and Triple-A Charlotte.
Some scouts still see Flowers as a bit stiff, but others think he could become an average defensive catcher with more work. Like most backstops, he’s a below-average runner.
15. Dan Hudson, rhp, Birmingham (White Sox)
Age: 22. B-T: R-R. Ht: 6-4. Wt.: 220. Drafted: White Sox ‘08 (5)
A fifth-round pick a year ago, Hudson opened the year in low Class A and breezed through all four of the White Sox’s full-season affiliates before making his major league debut in September.
Hudson’s fastball ranges from 90-93 mph, sitting at 91-92 and getting outs by riding in on righthanders and tailing away from lefties. His 81-83 mph changeup is his best secondary pitch, an above-average offering with fade and late sink.
Hudson’s slider flashes average tilt and depth when he stays on top of it, though he has a tendency to drop his three-quarters arm slot down lower, causing it to flatten out. He can elongate the slider to make it sweepier against righthanders, or shorten up the break to make it more like a cutter against lefties.
Hudson’s arm action has a long arm arc in the back, but his mechanics still provide deception because he’s able to stay closed. He has a tendency to fly open with his delivery at times and needs to show more consistency with his command.
16. Jordan Danks, of, Birmingham (White Sox)
Age: 23. B-T: L-R. Ht.: 6-4. Wt.: 210. Drafted: White Sox ’08 (7).
Danks had only 40 games of pro ball under his belt when he received a promotion to Birmingham in mid-May. He batted .308/.387/.442 in his first 29 games for the Barons before missing two weeks in June with a sprained wrist. His hitting tailed off afterward, and he missed another week and a half in August with a finger injury.
A good athlete, Danks has a nice swing with good bat speed. He has a 6-foot-4, 210-pound frame, but he never has developed into a home run threat and his power still grades as below average. He works counts well enough to draw a fair number of walks, though he still needs to improve his ability to hit offspeed pitches. He’s also a good bunter.
Danks is an above-average runner with good instincts in center field and a solid-average arm. He isn’t wiry but still has room to pack on more mass, which would help his power but also might affect his future defensive position.
“He can play center field now,” a NL scout said. “but I think with his body frame, he’s going to grow to be a bigger guy, lose some speed and be a corner guy. But I like him.”
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2009/268974.html
Same NL scout re: Becks/Danks?
Good feedback. I’d still keep Becks at 3B and Che at SS, but that’s me.
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No room for the OPS leader of the Southern League?
Is it his fielding, age or both?
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lacking major league ability would be a big obstacle.
Thanks.
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Valerie (West Lake, OH): Daniel Hudson was arguably the best young arm in the minors this year. Why did you rank him where you did?
Ben Badler: It’s a good league for prospects, and he’s the No. 4 pitching prospect in the league, so I do like him. You could probably put him a few spots higher up there right behind Jay Jackson and I really wouldn’t argue. The key for him to me is going to be the development of his slider. Sometimes he’ll snap off a good one, but at times he’ll cast the pitch, it flattens out, and that’s usually bad news when you leave those out over the plate to big league hitters.
Brad (RI): What was the word on Dayan Viciedo’s season? How many years from the majors is he?
Ben Badler: He has a lot of the same issues as Juan Francisco. He’s huge, which limits his range, and even though he has a strong arm he’s probably going to be a first baseman in the very near future. He’s strong and hits the ball hard when he connects, but he can be helpless against offspeed pitches and is going to make a ton of outs with just 19 unintentional walks in 130 games.
Dan (Chicago): I was suprised to see Tyler Flowers this high considering the concensus is that he won’t be able to stay behind the plate. Is his bat just that good?
Ben Badler: I think that was the consensus coming into the year, but the reviews of his defense were much better than they were last year, particularly from those outside the organization who have followed Flowers for the last couple of seasons. He’s a big guy and he’s not Pudge Rodriguez, but he’s also not Jesus Montero back there either. Will he be an above-average defensive catcher? No, and maybe his defense is always a tick below major league average, but he should hit enough to not make that a huge concern.
TH (Garrett, Indiana): Did John Ely receive any cinsideration, and how does he project in the future?
Ben Badler: Could be a 5th starter or a longman. His best pitch is his changeup, but he doesn’t have much of a breaking ball, he sits at 88-90 mph and has a good amount of effort in his delivery, though he does do a solid job of repeating his mechanics.
Fred (Ohio): What kind of major leaguer can C.J. Retherford become and where do you see him playing deffensively? Thanks!!
Ben Badler: He can play second base. Nothing about him from a tools perspective sticks out and he’s a little unorthodox, but he gets the most out of his physical abilities. Most scouts I talked to expect him to be a backup at the major league level, but so far all he’s done between college and pro ball is beat everyone’s expectations.
I may
have missed this lar, but what is unorthodox about Retherford? Is it his batting stance, his fielding style or just that he doesn’t look good in jeans?
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Disappointing: Dayan Viciedo, White Sox (Javelinas)
A Cuban defector signed to an eight-figure deal last winter, some thought Viciedo would compete for the big-league job in spring, but instead he delivered a pedestrian .280/.317/.391 line at Double-A Birmingham. The good news is that he made some significant adjustments in the second half of the season, batting .313/.350/.464 after the all-star break, but at the same time the power remained a disappointment, and he swings at anything within the same area code.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9631
i hope dayan
doesn’t read english b/c he is getting abused big time.
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