Freddy Garcia Just Knows How to Pitch with a 10-run Lead
I almost forgot that watching baseball could be fun. After not seeing a victory for two solid weeks, I've seen back-to-back well pitched games that were highly entertaining for different reasons, and the first 3-game win streak in over a month. Thursday against the Cubs, it was fun to watch another team commit the type of errors that have plagued the Sox this year, and for the Sox to actually take advantage. Tonight, we got to see the major league debut of Daniel Hudson (more later), a bit of Tyler Flowers, the continued surprisingly effective Freddy Garcia and laugher in the White Sox favor.
Garcia is playing his way into earning himself a callback with the Sox next season. It's a bit ironic. Back when Garcia was reportedly fielding offers from multiple clubs, I had the feeling that he would be most effective in a White Sox uniform, that due to a number of factors (familiarity, comfort, coaching, etc. ) his performance would he sign with a non-White-Sox team would not be directly analogous to his performance were he on the Sox. Then he underwhelmed from the first pitch he threw in NY, earned his release, and eventually caught on with the Sox who threw him almost exclusively in their rookie leagues. By the time he got the call up to take a spot in the Sox rotation, I had abandoned my pre-season theory. So Garcia can just continue to prove me wrong, or right, I don't even know anymore.
Aside from the Sox offense teeing off on a pitcher they're supposed to tee off on, Daniel Hudson's major league debut was the highlight of the evening. Hudson didn't disappoint. He hit the first batter he faced after getting ahead 1-2, but went on to retire the next six batters he faced, though, admittedly, they represented the bulk of Boston's bench and their own September call-ups.
Despite the hit batter -- he just plain held onto the ball too long -- Hudson's control was good, and the scouting reports accurate. He worked down in the zone with his fastball, and when he missed he missed low. Even the hit batter was on the foot. He was sitting at about 93MPH with the fastball, which is a little faster than the reports from Charlotte, but not out of line with his mid-season readings. I was most impressed with his changeup, which looked like a plus pitch to me. And though his slider underwhelmed my eyes through the TV -- it looked more like a straight, back-up slider rather than the sweeper you'd expect from a guy with his delivery -- the hitters didn't seem as unimpressed.
As the Sox eventually fall out of the AL Central race, they'll have plenty of guys ready to stake their claim to the list of 5th starter candidates for next season. Jim highlighted Carlos Torres' strong effort yesterday, before Freddy cemented his place in the conversation today. Throw in DJ Carrasco, who is at least deserving of being in the conversation, and hard-charging Hudson, and the Sox suddenly seem like they might have some starting depth.
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"the Sox suddenly seem like they might have some starting depth."
by larry on Sep 4, 2009 10:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
... for next season
… which usually is the harbinger of a trade to come
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by The Cheat on Sep 4, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or utter collapse by all players mentioned by you.
by larry on Sep 4, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shocked that we have starting depth
If only we had bullpen depth and offensive depth! Alas…
by Carbiner on Sep 4, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
the Sox got exactly what I expected out of Colon… Contreras was his usual frustrating self, Richard was valuable, as was Poreda (though, obviously moreso as tradebait)… It just so happens that none of them are currently pitching in the Sox rotation
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by The Cheat on Sep 4, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? That means a trade of Danks or Floyd, I assume
I rather hope that’s not the case, as odds are garcia, torres, and hudson are all mopes next season (as larry mentions).
Stil, I’m OK with Garcia, Torres, and Hudson filling out the last starter role and a couple of bullpen slots, and the Sox going out and signing a DH and OF. I’d rather see that than the Sox gamble that they can fill 2 starter slots internally.
by hitlesswonder on Sep 4, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they're trading either of them
but it has been williams’ pattern…
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by The Cheat on Sep 4, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure he would
But then I’d expect to see Roy H or Dan H
"Oh well back to work"
by Tdogg on Sep 4, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy for Halladay!
Kenny’s a buy low, sell high guy right?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 4, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Konerko for Figgins (FA)
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 5, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of starting depth, adam russell warming for the pads right now.
hey rios, you need to cinch it up, hunker down, bow your neck, bristle up, and be any kind of hitter. you're making me look like an idiot.
by BuehrleMan on Sep 4, 2009 11:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thome getting ready.
shooting the breeze with the o-dog!
hey rios, you need to cinch it up, hunker down, bow your neck, bristle up, and be any kind of hitter. you're making me look like an idiot.
by BuehrleMan on Sep 4, 2009 11:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thome up.
hey rios, you need to cinch it up, hunker down, bow your neck, bristle up, and be any kind of hitter. you're making me look like an idiot.
by BuehrleMan on Sep 4, 2009 11:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they're playing thunderstruck.
2 out. man on 1st. down 2-0.
hey rios, you need to cinch it up, hunker down, bow your neck, bristle up, and be any kind of hitter. you're making me look like an idiot.
by BuehrleMan on Sep 4, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
crushed a single
to deep right center.
hey rios, you need to cinch it up, hunker down, bow your neck, bristle up, and be any kind of hitter. you're making me look like an idiot.
by BuehrleMan on Sep 4, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice to see
I used mlb game archive to see his at bat.
Received a standing ovation when he came to bat – looked like close to a full house – 50K
Was announced as ‘making his dodger debut’ – classy
Another standing ovation after the hit
by metasox on Sep 5, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i luuuuuuv vin scully.
hey rios, you need to cinch it up, hunker down, bow your neck, bristle up, and be any kind of hitter. you're making me look like an idiot.
by BuehrleMan on Sep 5, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH EM GEE
how’d dan-hud d-hizzy dan-L dan-yell hud-dog d-honkey pitch
¡signature!
by billyok on Sep 5, 2009 12:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
Check out that entirely non-ironic link

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by billyok on Sep 5, 2009 12:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
vote linebrink for man of the year?
do mine eyes decieve me?
On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply recommended Unrec 3
by blackoutsox on Sep 5, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his charity work from the bullpen has been noticed
Praise Him!!
by Hawk is God on Sep 5, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't care what anyone may say, I love me some Ozzie-
“I don’t quit until I got the ‘xx’ (for elimination) by me,” said manager Ozzie Guillen, who won his 500th game to tie Jerry Manuel for fourth on the club list. “You knock me out when the referee calls 10 and I can’t get up.”
by South Side Expat on Sep 5, 2009 12:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
get a wet towel
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 5, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, can we get some headline love for Ozzie's 500th?
by South Side Expat on Sep 5, 2009 12:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yawn
Dykes-899, Lopez-840, LaRussa-522
dude’s still got some work to do…
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/managers.shtml
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Sep 5, 2009 1:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to name my first three children:
Kid, Pants, and Nixey in that order
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Sep 5, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
getz
don’t look now but getz has a better batting average than beckham at the moment
by The Scoper on Sep 5, 2009 1:15 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
still more than .100 behind in ops.....................
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Sep 5, 2009 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, is that supposed to mean something?
Getz leads in the heart, determinition, and sticktoitiveness categories, and those are what really matter you Gordon Gecko wash-up.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 5, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more interesting observation is whether Netz (or Gix?) is worth leaving alone at second for next year
I’m leaning towards yes. I think the two have combined for something around a .330 wOBA. Defensively they’re both average or better and they both strike me as pretty good on the basepaths (particularly Getz). I’m not sure that’s a spot where you want to spend a lot of cash at.
by CWSKeith on Sep 5, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a nice game to see
especially since I witnessed the Boston Massacre last week in person. Here is to ringing up another 15 straight.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 5, 2009 1:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
especially since I witnessed the Boston Massacre last week in prison
Fixed
Don't quote me
by Moral Narcissist on Sep 5, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
beckham
sox record when beckham gets at least one hit
30-22
sox record when beckham does not get a hit
10-18
by The Scoper on Sep 5, 2009 2:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and the sox are 26-28 when Beckham doesn't see the field
or is in the minors
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Sep 5, 2009 5:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point of info
Count starts for the Rocks tonight
http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/news/probable_pitchers.jsp?c_id=col
by gar ridge pride on Sep 5, 2009 7:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
is this the beginning of a hot streak
that will screw up our draft position?
how much for the Tyler Flowers rookie card?
by Nordhagen on Sep 5, 2009 8:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
last night was fun
I was chatting up this couple from Boston in the bullpen bar and he kept saying. “theres a new byrd in town, and his names not larry!” before the game. It was nice to run into him in the 7th and throw the quote back at him.
Asked about his thoughts on the weekend, White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen said simply, "Well, we came to New York and visited the new Yankee Stadium. It is a very nice ballpark. We also stayed at a very nice hotel. That's all I can really say about these past three days."
by e-gus on Sep 5, 2009 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, we need to play exclusively 1 game series
With Friday night’s 12-2 drubbing of the Red Sox at U.S. Cellular Field, the Sox have claimed three victories in three days against three teams in three ballparks.
fucking dome
by vince_ on Sep 5, 2009 8:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that sounds familiar to last year too
On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
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by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply recommended Unrec 3
by blackoutsox on Sep 5, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walker was definitely a good hitting coach last night
specifically, he was good in innings 2-4. Then he got bad. He improved slightly in the 8th.
He seemed to be a better hitting coach when Getz and Kotsay were batting.
how much for the Tyler Flowers rookie card?
by Nordhagen on Sep 5, 2009 8:50 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
haha
rec’d
I think if we fire him, then everyone will start hitting better. Once we fire Ozzie we will win every game.
by 815Sox on Sep 5, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chris Getz is everything to this offense.
they play like shit without him.
we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip
by BoeJouma on Sep 5, 2009 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
getz x factor
i had the same thought. mainly due to the sox recent win streak that corresponded with getz’ activation and the sox slide while getz on dl.
i reviewed the sox record and it turns the sox are near .500 with getz in the line up and .500 out of the line up. furthermore, the sox are near .500 when getz gets a hit and .500 when he doesnt get a hit.
seems that the sox slide had more to do with the tough road schedule as opposed to getz being sidelined.
it appears that beckham’s contribution has more of an impact on the sox outcome. see earlier post.
by The Scoper on Sep 5, 2009 11:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
but check this out
it wasnt until getz was put in the lineup in the metrodome in the 8th inning (granted nothing happened that inning) that we decided to score some runs and beat joe nathan.
we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip
by BoeJouma on Sep 5, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"seems that the sox slide had more to do with the
the tough road schedule bad fielding, worse hitting and a dogmeat relief corps as opposed to getz being sidelined."
'09 White Sox - Too many brain cramps.
by ballyb on Sep 5, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getx has shown steady improvement all season
now all he has to do is prove his durability – too many injuries, not sure how many are down to bad luck or whether he’s the type that breaks doen easily. Physically, he looks fine, but you can never tell, I mean look at lexi, you would expect him to pick up knocks all the time given his build, but when he kacked his ankle in he was back in the lineup a couple of days later.
by hoodlight on Sep 5, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ive been nothing but impressed with getz
unless shit got crazy and it were possible to get utley or kinsler or pedroia, i want him as our starting 2nd baseman next year.
we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip
by BoeJouma on Sep 5, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you think we should move GB to SS?
by hoodlight on Sep 5, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually no.
do you sir?
we are gonna skullfuck this guy - thecip
by BoeJouma on Sep 5, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends whether we get Figgins or not
or anyone else who can play 3rd base – we could give Lexi a try there
by hoodlight on Sep 5, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it depends on the offseason and if Beckham can handle the position better
If we get a figgins, you move GB to SS and probably trade Alexei…just my opinion.
If they don’t add anyone to the mix, I think you have to look at keeping GB at 3B.
I haven’t seen Beckham at SS, so by saying he is a better defensive SS than Alexei, I wouldn’t know. Based on positional value, if GB can field the position, he would be most valuable at SS.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 5, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a difficult one, Lexi is so cheap in comparison
to what you would have to pay for a player of similar ability, depends on what you can get for him
by hoodlight on Sep 5, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I might shockingly be willing to keep the infield in tact if need be need year. I have come to realize lexi isn’t a bad defensive SS, he is adequate —sometime he just needs to get his head out of his ass.
On the flipside, he is finishing strong and his contract is very attractive to other teams. I think he has some good trade value at this point.
They have options and that is a good thing.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 5, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fangraphs have him worth $10 million
and 2.2 WAR this season, all his fielding numbers are far better at SS than they were at 2B
by hoodlight on Sep 5, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't look at single year defensive stats.
a better idea is to average the two seasons.
by larry on Sep 5, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that defence stats can be skewed and one season is not enough to go on
but is it impossible to make a one season comparison between his defence numbers at 2B and at SS? Guess we’ll know more the more he plays – so by looking at one season stats you can say allsorts, he’s a better 2B than the numbers, a worse SS, or maybe even a better SS – these fielding metrics are difficult to interpret.
by hoodlight on Sep 5, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
impossible?
no. you just did it. like you say, i just wouldn’t put much weight into it. remember our good friends at, say beyond the box score, who would use his stats last year to say he’s a bad defender?
by larry on Sep 5, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just think about it this way...what were we paying for OC?
and that was a black hole of offense with mediocre defense…and people keep signing him for more than Che
by Anonymous #5 Starter on Sep 5, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JR doesn't want to take on a lot more payroll, and while landing Figgins
might be nice…adding 8 mil plus there would terminate a third outfielder or Bullpen help….and I gotta say…i would MUCH rather see some help in the pen at this point…esp if dotel is out
by Anonymous #5 Starter on Sep 5, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paying a lot for bullpen help is what make Linebrink happen.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Sep 5, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or made.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Sep 5, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if we could dump him on a team that also has a bad contract to move?
Take on a Gary Mathews, Michael Young, or Eric Byrnes contract. They are all overpaid but might be a better fit for the Sox for a year or two. Linebrink needs to get out of Chicago and something like this might be the only way of getting rid of him.
I know Texas was trying to trade Young earlier this year with no takers but I doubt they would take on Liney in return.
I’m sure the Cubs would take Linebrink just to rid themselves of the tool in right field……
by mick10 on Sep 5, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's a bit of a dollar value difference between those bad contracts.
by larry on Sep 5, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only in the case of young.
the rest are replacement level.
by larry on Sep 5, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or worse
*fixed
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 5, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right about Byrnes and Mathews.
Bradley has value which is probably negated by all the off-field and injury risk. Probably bad examples but the point is, that’s probably the only way we could move Linebrink. If we just keep him, he has no value to us either.
by mick10 on Sep 5, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was ignoring your comment about bradley.
by larry on Sep 5, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the new carl everett minus the passion
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 5, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless he starts pitching better
he was very good pre all star break in 2008
by hoodlight on Sep 5, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I know I may get killed for this, but I have been doing some thinking
on Linestink…
and MAYBE if Ozzie just pulled him after a second baserunner gets on…and he sin’t allowed in 1 run games…maybe he could still be useful?
I know that is a waste of the $$…buts its better than wasting games…and since he has no REAL trade value…
by Anonymous #5 Starter on Sep 5, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not shooting for a whole lot of utility...more or less filling the role randy has now
but in less pressured situations, he has seemed to do well..hence the era hovering around 3 until the KC game a couple weeks ago that started another slide…he has gotten killed all year on letting a pari of hits or walks happen…and then serving up a meatball that ends up in the seats…
by Anonymous #5 Starter on Sep 5, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"So I know I may get killed for this, but I have been doing some thinking "
as you should
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 5, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Massett could be an option
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 5, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where do you think they'd put him?
by Anonymous #5 Starter on Sep 5, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
3rd - Beckham to SS - Lexi gets traded
by hoodlight on Sep 5, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lexi is too cheap and locked in for a couple years to trade...
don’t you think?
by Anonymous #5 Starter on Sep 5, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes he is cheap
but if we want to maximise beckham then shouldn’t he be at SS? I didn’t know lexi couldn’t be traded, so I guess we move him back to second.
by hoodlight on Sep 5, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The google logo is beautiful today!! :)
And I’m enjoying last night’s game over coffee now. A winnah!!
Now, if Freddy could just take Buehrle aside and teach him how to win a game…
;)
Today was a nice day to be out for a walk, look through the window of a restaurant at 2:30, and discover that the Sox started at noon.
by homesickalien on Sep 5, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I noticed that - why have they put a mushroom on the second o?
by hoodlight on Sep 5, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are coming to retrieve me.
Today was a nice day to be out for a walk, look through the window of a restaurant at 2:30, and discover that the Sox started at noon.
by homesickalien on Sep 5, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have studied:
rain, cloudy days, suicides, j-walking tickets, horrendous traffic, Ichiro mania and the unability to keep an NBA franchise. Your work is done, it is time to come home. E.T. phone home.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 5, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget:
mangled bodies, “muskets” (aka: long rifles), and most recently, last weekend, the baby shark that washed ashore with the tide.
Today was a nice day to be out for a walk, look through the window of a restaurant at 2:30, and discover that the Sox started at noon.
by homesickalien on Sep 5, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed the Wakefield game in Boston
any of our beloved look especially lame against the knuckler?
Also, any chance of unleashing a running game (cough) today?
by gar ridge pride on Sep 5, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
im going to go hang out on the minor league thread.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 5, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
once people start talking about trading Linebrink for M. Young
my work here is done.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 5, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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