White Sox Minor League Update: Playoff Edition
by larry on Sep 5, 2009 1:05 PM CDT
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PrintJohn Sickels reviewed his preseason top prospects list for the White Sox. See it here.
No really bad calls there and one really good one in Hudson. The generally poor performance of the back half of the list certainly speaks to the lack of depth that existed and still exists in the White Sox system.
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danks 0-4, BB
cj 1-5
viciedo 2-5
shelby 0-3, BB
ely 6 IP, 3 H, 2 BB, 7 K
santeliz 1 IP, 2 H, 0 BB, 1 K, 1 WP
Fucking Danks.
Ever since his DL stint he’s not been as exciting. Or is it me?
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It was a wrist injury, wasn’t it? If so, it seems like those often have significant impact on hitting (I know that sounds obvious, but the effects do seem to linger for long afterwords).
So, we can hope it’s the injury and not that his pre-injury AA at-bats were a fluke. The Sox system desperately needs some upper level OF talent, so it would be a big boost if he could go all Denard Span and suddenly blossom.
by hitlesswonder on Sep 5, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
re: hudson
i’m more hopeful of his future after seeing his funky delivery. kinda short-arms it up there at 92-93. from the inning i saw everything seemed to have sinking movement, but i thought larry said he was a flyball pitcher(?)
Is Hudson pitching in the AFL?
Would his performance there matter re the poll question? Or is ST the likely decider?
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by Chiburb on Sep 6, 2009 10:37 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
no. he's isn't.
and the point of the poll is to figure out what people think. i doubt he starts with the white sox because, first, freddy looks like he’s made himself at least look like a viable fifth starter and, second, the white sox may want to play the service time game. however, since they already decided to let hudson accrue service time by bringing him up, perhaps the second isn’t a consideration.
peoria javelinas preview
Jordan Danks | OF | Chicago (AL)
Danks was a little bit more advanced as a hitter than people expected and he hit .322/.409/.525 in 118 high-A at-bats. Moved up to double-A, he struggled in August and September, which brought his line down to .243/.337/.356 in 284 at-bats. His power has also diminished with each move in his pro career, with his ISO dropping from .300 to .203 to .113. Defensively, he could play in the Majors right now.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/afl-preview-peoria-javelinas
phegley 0-4, SB
gilmore 3-3, 2B, BB
griffith 6 IP, 2 H, 1 BB, 4 K
rodriguez 1 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 3 K, 1 HBP
bellamy 1 IP, 0 B, 0 BB, 2 K, 1 HBP
Santos
Any idea what pitches Rodriguez has in his repertoire and what kind of velocity he has?
I also could have sworn someone in the organization said he would be converted into a starter after the trade. Anyone else recall that?
best minor league clubs by winning percentage
birmingham #3 (and best in AA). kanny’s late season run let them sneak into the top ten.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=6362
also, the barons are running a virtual AA championship against akron. best of five series tied 2-2.
barons borrow black out idea from parent.
Wear black to Thursday and Friday’s playoffs games against Jacksonville – Help us “Black Out” the Suns…
game two
avila 1-4, 2 SB
ciolli 3-4, 2B
colligan 1-3, BB, 2 SB
thompson 2-4, SB
buch 2.2 IP, 1 H, 2 BB, 5 K
dash lose game one. of course, boston sent dice-k there to ensure victory.
mollenhauer 0-3, BB
morel 1-3
greene 2-4, 2B, SB
kuhn 0-4
absolutely hilarious message board pissing contest about dice-k pitching for salem
oh, the abomination! the terrible damage to the, er, hundreds of fans who usually show up for dash games! yeah. no team has sent a major league player to rehab in the minors during the playoffs before. ever. cough bartolo colon in 2007 cough
http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=74438&st=0
it took three pages before someone stepped up
and shat on their pity parade. sehr trauig, but i lol’d.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing.
Did anybody mention
That the players don’t really care?
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no.
the players do care. levi maxwell wants to be able to go back to shinnston, west virginia and bag some pussy by telling them he led his team to the carolina league championship.
"I'm not related to you as far as I'm aware" has the same effect.
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by Sox Machine on Sep 11, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
WV hater?
Don’t like coal mines?
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It’s not a healthy society.
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kanny lose game one.
gilmore 2-4
phegley 1-4, 2B
leesman 5 IP, 8 H, 1 BB, 3 K, 1 WP
rodriguez 0.2 IP, 1 H, 2 BB, 0 K
bellamy 1.1 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 1 K, 1 HBP
dash lose game two in 11.
mollenhauer 3-5, BB
morel 2-4, HBP
kuhn 1-4, S
greene 2-5, 2B
burdie 2.1 IP, 2 H, 1 BB, 3 K
Looks like they are hitting like the 2000 playoff Sox.
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3 Decades of Minor League Translations
Attached is the current fruit of a long-term project I’ve been working on. Namely, a large reference of minor-league-to-major league translations (zMLE or ZiPS MLE). We get back into the late 70s here as going back to then, there’s always some source that has the statistics required. Once we get earlier, there are some years that have BB and SO data, generally the most important missing data, but it’s extremely spotty and sometimes, not even whole years are filled. Some day, I’ll have these going back for as long as there was minor league baseball as SABR’s database project proceeds.
So, what value do these have? For me, two things stand out as the most important. First, having these either reminds us or introduces us to fine players that never got a shot in the majors. We live in a time when Japan is a real alternative option for Ken Phelpsers like Greg LaRocca to have lucrative careers playing baseball and when increased understanding of the usefulness of minor league statistics in the mainstream has resulted in fewer guys getting completely overlooked.
Second, more information helps us increase our knowledge of how players age and develop. For systems that look at comparable players, it’s quite useful to have more 18-21 year-olds that aren’t stars to help us crack, from a statistics standpoint, who will develop and who will not.
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/3_decades_of_minor_league_translations/
that must be some serious shit
when i tried to download it, my computer crashed. should be a great resource assuming its user friendly.
Mike (Chicago): How far away is John Ely from reaching the big leagues and was there any consideration for him to get called up this month?
Ben Badler: He doesn’t have much more to go, but he’s still going to be a fringy starter. He’s 88-90 with an excellent changeup, but there’s not much a breaking ball there and his below-average fastball doesn’t give him much margin for error.
Adam (NYC): Can you shed some light on the enigma that is John Shelby Jr.? What type of ceiling does he have with the White Sox? He seems to be up and down with his ability to play his tools, one night being electric and the next night looking lost. Is there any hope he can put it together and become a Chone Figgins type of offensive player down the road?
Ben Badler: He’s got speed, but the bat has a long ways to go.
Ryan Freel would be a more likely "optimistic" comp
Except he has a different skin color, so forget I said anything.
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barons lost game two
danks 0-5
cj 1-5, 2B
viciedo 2-3, BB
shelby 1-3, BB, SB
santeliz 1 IP, 3 H, 0 BB, 2 K, 1 WP
dash lose game three and series
mollenhauer 3-4, 2B, BB, SB
morel 2-5
kuhn 0-3, S
rasner 6.1 IP, 5 H, 1 BB, 5 K, 1 WP
jones 0.1 IP, 2 H, 1 BB, 0 K
kanny lose game two and series
gilmore 0-3, BB
phegley 0-4
serafin 3.1 IP, 9 H, 1 BB, 2 K, 2 HBP
bellamy 1.1 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 3 K, 1 HBP
sickels
Jared Mitchell, OF, Louisiana State University: Hit .296/.417/.435 in 34 games for Kannapolis in the White Sox system. Not too aggressive on the bases yet, with five steals in eight attempts. Drew 23 walks, but fanned 40 times. . .very similar to what happened in college. I would assign him to High-A to begin 2010.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/9/13/1027609/final-review-2009-shadow-draft#storyjump
I never see White Sox righthander John Ely mentioned in prospect rankings. He went 14-2, 2.82 in Double-A this year, but Chicago has four set starters in the major leagues and prospect Daniel Hudson ahead of him. What do you see for Ely?
Jamie Lewis
Princeton, Ill.
Don’t say never—Ely came in at No. 9 and No. 11 in our White Sox rankings lists in the last two Prospect Handbooks. A third-round pick out of Miami (Ohio) in 2007, he led the Southern League in victories and strikeouts (125 in 156 innings) and finished second in ERA. Not that wins are the most telling stat for a pitcher, but Ely consistently racks them up and has posted an 83-27 record going back to his days as a high school star in suburban Chicago.
Ely can’t overpower hitters with his fringe-average fastball and his curveball is inconsistent, but he does have a nifty changeup. That repertoire doesn’t give him a huge ceiling, but he does locate his pitches down in the zone and rarely beats himself by surrendering walks or home runs.
He’s a favorite sleeper of mine and I wouldn’t rule out Ely carving a niche for himself in the back of someone’s rotation. White Sox GM Kenny Williams isn’t afraid to trade prospects, and Ely could find a better opportunity elsewhere. He’ll probably open 2010 in Triple-A.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2009/268866.html
great falls loses game three and series.
avila 1-3, 2 BB
ciolli 3-5, SB
colligan 2-4, 2B
so ends the white sox minor league season.
Jordan Danks – Lean and projectable for a college player. He made a diving catch coming in hard on a shallow fly ball and showed good instincts for the position. He was slower than I was expecting and looked like a runner who is just a tick above average. At the plate, he had an odd load which included him kind of buckling his front knee much like Red prospect Todd Frazier. With more of a sweeping swing, he had difficulty with breaking pitches and looked more to guide the ball instead of drive it. Of the five prospects I went to see, he was a distant 5th in terms of the impression he left on me.
Dayan Viciedo – If I were Viciedo’s hitting coach, he would drive me absolutely nuts. From my seat down the third base line, he finished every swing looking in my direction which left me feeling a bit self conscious. When he made contact, the ball exploded off of his bat, but he only made solid contact with two strikes. His bat speed is elite, but his mechanics are messy. He should adapt his two strike approach to be his every pitch approach which would not only shorten his swing, but help take advantage of his tremendous bat speed. At third base, he was iffy at best. His arm was solid average, but he didn’t move well laterally and his hands were just so so. With his size, I’m not sure he’s a great fit in left field or at first base either.
http://www.scoutingthesally.com/2009/09/southern-league-playoffs-jacksonville.html
Great Leaps Forward, AL
Chicago White Sox: The breakout pitcher of the year, right-hander Dan Hudson went from a non-descript fifth-round pick in 2008 to a big-leaguer, pitching at all four full-season affiliates while finishing with a 2.32 ERA and a remarkable 166/34 strikeout/walk ratio in 147 1/3 innings. All of the scouting evidence indicates that this breakout’s for real.
Runner-Up: An undrafted free agent out of Arizona, all C.J. Retherford has done is hit at every level. That continued at Double-A, as the second baseman hit .297/.340/.473 in 128 games for the Barons, including 46 doubles.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9531
So we are getting closer to average talent.
Now some depth would be great.
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Robert (Madison, WI)
What do you think of the progress of Dayan Viciedo this year? When do you see him joining the Sox, and what do you project his ceiling to be?
Jim Callis
I’m a little disappointed, to be honest. Most of the big-money Cuban defectors haven’t lived up to the hype, and few hitters have (though Kendry Morales has broken through this year). Viciedo was sold to us as an advanced hitter with potential 40-plus homer power, and he hit .280/.317/.391 in Double-A this year. Granted, he’s only 20, but that year underwhelms me. I’m not going to call him more than a solid regular at this point, until he really gets going.
WTF?
I do not recall anything about “40-plus HR power”. Who makes this stuff up? He might physically resemble a shorter Miggy Cabrera, but no one I recall said he should hit like Cabrera.
As a solid regular at 3B he would be well worth his contract.
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he is a 40 plus man
insane and elite have been used to describe his bat speed
just you wait till next season, he will get fit in the off term and will cream that fucking ball
guys have made themselves serviceable 3Bs
but not sure he’s likely to do it. motivation…one of the mysteries of life.
no reflexes?
that’s about the only must-have skill. no range? hey that didn’t hurt ron cey. no arm? didn’t seem to bother wade boggs. neither? hey, you’re bill madlock.
Larry (Chicago, IL): You mentioned CJ Retherford’s leap forward – is it great enough to pencil him in as a potential starter in 2011?
Kevin Goldstein: He’s certainly a prospect, but I think a first-division starter profile is pushing it more than a bit.
scott (chicago): C’mon, who is this guy, Dan Remenowsky? Looks pretty old for his level, but 100+ Ks as a reliever is nice. He’s gotta be better than Linebrink, right? Ha.
Kevin Goldstein: HUGE rhp, like 6-5, 250. A lot of deception in the delivery, 89-93 fastball that he can sink or cut, nice power curveball. Not a stud by any measurement, but he’s gotta chance.
Wish the Sox felt the same way
The reason I have no respect for these players, especially Thome is this…any player you can put a shift on is useless.
white sox involved in "informal fall league" in arizona
In general, here’s how it works. Games will take place in four complexes where instructional league play was already occurring: Surprise, Peoria and the two new facilities in Glendale and Goodyear. In each case, two teams share the complex and will feed players into a shared team. In Surprise, the Royals and Rangers are partners; in Peoria, it’s the Padres and Mariners; Cincinnati and Cleveland share the Goodyear team, with the Dodgers and White Sox over in Glendale.
Each organization will provide 10 players each to the roster, which can be fluid and will likely change frequently. Picollo and Rangers farm director Scott Servais have a good relationship forged over the years since both teams moved their Spring Training (and instructional) homes to Surprise, and they discovered they had a good fit in terms of personnel. Each will send five players and five pitchers. There will be eight position players who will basically play every day.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090917&content_id=7017768&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
there was supposed to be a league created in arizona this year to replace the hawaiian winter league and would have catered to players generally not eligible for the arizona fall league (i.e., lower than AA); however, lack of money killed the project. good to see the white sox are doing something at a bit higher level than the instructional leagues.
2009 Prospect Duds: Dayan Viciedo
It’s not uncommon for prospects to receive more hype than they are worth, and Dayan Viciedo was one of those players in 2009. The Cuban defector came into the 2009 season as the No. 2 prospect in the Chicago White Sox system, according to Baseball America. He was also ranked by Kevin Goldstein at Baseball Prospectus as the No. 4 overall prospect in the system.
In the 2009 Prospect Handbook, Baseball America stated, "Viciedo has the power to hit 40-plus homers in a season, thanks to a quick swing that’s triggered by strong wrists… He’s an aggressive hitter who will chase bad pitches… Viciedo has a high ceiling but brings a bigger risk than the more experienced and athletic [Alexei] Ramirez."…
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-prospect-duds-dayan-viciedo
i've been fairly unimpressed with the 2009 prospect duds series
The failure to mention Viciedo’s improvement as the season went on (plus the whole first year in a new country thing), calling the 19-year old Engel Beltre a dud already, and the same with Brackman in his first full-season back since TJ.
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
I'm hip, U-G.
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in need of?
On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.
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